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A video outlining gameplay for the boardgame Tekhenu: Obelisk of the Sun.
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Part I: Gameplay Runthrough
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Part II: Final Thoughts
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@davidturczi5713
@davidturczi5713 4 года назад
Yes the bot works in 3p too. None of our testers said they *needed* it, but if you want to add it, go ahead. :)
@ricke1732
@ricke1732 4 года назад
Rahdo, if you ever stop doing RRT, please get some publishers to pay you to help them make the 2-player experience better.
@TheManCalledZee
@TheManCalledZee 4 года назад
I mean... why are those two things mutually exclusive?
@josephpilkus1127
@josephpilkus1127 4 года назад
Great Final Thoughts! I absolutely see your point with regard to the two-player game and the tension deficiency, but I so loved all of the things that you can do, ala Trajan, that I'll forgive that oversight. We will, however, incorporate your idea of the the second player receiving the Faith Ankh card.
@davidturczi5713
@davidturczi5713 4 года назад
Tekhenu is egyptian for "Obelisk" literally :)
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
thanks! why doesn't the rules ever tell us this!?
@igorpersin7484
@igorpersin7484 3 года назад
@@rahdo that's why we have google xD
@Lucky_Red_Fish
@Lucky_Red_Fish Год назад
The tekenu is a mysterious figure often depicted in burial scenes. Scenes from tombs dating to the early New Kingdom, for example Reneni in Elkab, depict the tekenu as a man wearing an animal skin or sack, seated on a sledge being drawn by cattle as part of a burial ritual. The interpretation is problematic. It has been suggested that the sack contains body parts of the deceased that did not fit into the canopic jars, but were still needed for life in the hereafter. It is also possible that we are dealing here with what was originally a 'Hockerleiche' (squatting body) wrapped in an animal skin, which continued to be involved in the rituals in a symbolic way even after burial practices had long since changed. It is most unlikely that we are dealing here with a human sacrifice. It is possible that the figure is related to the symbolism of regeneration, or that it is a sem-priest in a trance, even though this cannot be proved from the accompanying texts.
@masterbridgemaster1
@masterbridgemaster1 4 года назад
At the end of your video, you asked how you would rank the *"Testini [sic] (Tascini) triple three trilogy"* (lmao, BTW!) if you were asked, but you never answered. So according to your BGG ratings, and to help anyone who may be interested in knowing the answer to that "question," here you go: 1) Tzolk'in: 8.695 2) Teotihuacan: 8.51623 3) Tekhenu: 8.4465
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
argh, did i say testini? that's the designer of xi'an and tang garden!!! d'oh :)
@olloplays
@olloplays 4 года назад
I need more Uwe-level information in my rules books for sure.
@Matt-bd6rv
@Matt-bd6rv 4 года назад
this is by far my favorite of 2020. Keep up the good work D.T. and keep them coming.
@Austridad
@Austridad 4 года назад
Doesn't trismegistus make it 4? Also, from the same designer and starts with "T"; what prevents it from being included in the series?
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
tris isn't really ancient civilization history, nor is it focused on the passage of time as a core mechanism, so i don't really consider it to be in the same series :)
@JLX5
@JLX5 4 года назад
Trismegistus is a genius of a game! Every time I play it I get blown away of how amazing the game is!!!
@masterbridgemaster1
@masterbridgemaster1 4 года назад
Would you not count Trismegistus among those "T" games from Daniele Tascini? Yes, I know he co-designed it with Federico Pierlorenzi, but he also co-designed 2 of the other 3 "T" games that you referenced with another designer each as well. Or since those other 3 (Tek, Tzol, and Teo) all have a similar theme (having to do with ancient America), Tris doesn't fit with the theme and that's why?
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
yeah, it's not ancient world, there's not really an automatic passage of time element, it's a bit more focused on a single goal, doesn't feel like it's part of the series to me :)
@J-Wheeler-G
@J-Wheeler-G 4 года назад
Tekhenu is the Egyptian word for Obelisk.
@Noise-Maker
@Noise-Maker 4 года назад
Awesome! You are Agricola I am Caverna, this seems more for the Caverna folks for two players. The bot would be a good addition to tighten it up? Really excited for this. Thanks for the detailed rundown!
@littendum
@littendum 4 года назад
"tainted six" to the tune of "Tainted Love" - hilarious!
@IosifStalin2
@IosifStalin2 3 года назад
That was a soft sell...
@wolfstritt598
@wolfstritt598 4 года назад
Great comments!!!! I like your final thoughts.
@TheFlymar
@TheFlymar 3 года назад
I would gladly buy an expansion with Nile flooding and building monuments and pyramids. Just to add to the theme.
@ilqrd.6608
@ilqrd.6608 4 года назад
So based on this I have actually cancelled my pre-order. I wasn’t sure to begin with but I really hoped for a good 2p game. As it stands I have so many more games of Teotihuacan ahead of me (haven’t even touched the expansions).
@J-Wheeler-G
@J-Wheeler-G 4 года назад
Just remember he also had similar complaints about Teo at 2p and you seem to love it.
@ilqrd.6608
@ilqrd.6608 4 года назад
@@J-Wheeler-G No, I like Teo for when we have a minimum of 3p over. Never considered it for 2p but I somehow hoped this one would work better with 2p.
@J-Wheeler-G
@J-Wheeler-G 4 года назад
@@ilqrd.6608 I like Teo at 2 but prefer it with more players. My Favorite at 2p of his (Tascini) games is Trismegistus.
@TheUtubeuserme
@TheUtubeuserme 4 года назад
I have played it at 2 and 4. It was excellent at 2. I would buy this game even for just 2 player
@AthexTube
@AthexTube 4 года назад
Excellent Video again, it looks like another solid game in the T series!
@ddolgov
@ddolgov 3 года назад
"Turn order here is more important than almost in any other game" - Tom Vasel on Tekhenu
@Carsten_de_1981
@Carsten_de_1981 4 года назад
Already put a preorder. That game looks fantastic!
@derekalcorn2772
@derekalcorn2772 2 года назад
Since Ive been playing with my friend, we both thought that going firrst had a huge advantage
@davebaskeyfield865
@davebaskeyfield865 4 года назад
I was waiting for you to rank each game in the series towards the end there. Did I miss it? Thanks Rahdo!
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
well you can always see how i rank everything at ranked.rahdo.com but for these 3 it would be 1) tzol 2) teo 3) tek :)
@davebaskeyfield865
@davebaskeyfield865 4 года назад
Rahdo ah yes of course, I forgot about that. Thank you!!
@RolandsBriedis
@RolandsBriedis 3 года назад
"If you don't mind running the bot, I wholeheartedly support using the bot at 2p," said David Turczi in the BGG forum :) So would like to hear Your thought on playing with bot as a 2 player game :)
@rahdo
@rahdo 3 года назад
it might happen again someday, but probably not until an expansion comes out, since i rarely get to go back and revisit games i've already filmed
@MarlonKruis
@MarlonKruis 2 года назад
Ai, in the end it was shipped to the DT West library?
@rahdo
@rahdo 2 года назад
yup
@zachariahriel3707
@zachariahriel3707 4 года назад
Trismegistus is another recent Tascini "T" game (although its theme doesn't belong with the others).
@rahdo
@rahdo 3 года назад
yup, that's why i don't consider it part of the series, just like i don't consider cloud atlas to be part of the matrix series just because it was written/directed by the wachowski's :)
@jayfraser6497
@jayfraser6497 4 года назад
Sry to hear your 2 player complaints. Luckily for me, I almost never play 2 player and this game looks awesome!
@MortlachNL
@MortlachNL 4 года назад
There was a fourth game announced a week or two ago, another T-game in Ancient Ur called Tabanussi I believe!
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
why so it is! i just looked, and found a new must have game for 2022! www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/316786/tabannusi-builders-ur
@MortlachNL
@MortlachNL 4 года назад
@@rahdo Yeah, same! Definitely need to set some money aside for the Kickstarter.
@southernfriedgamenight4304
@southernfriedgamenight4304 4 года назад
Take a drink every time he says the word "time."
@Ensid1993
@Ensid1993 3 года назад
I just think that games like Teotihuacan, Abyss, Tekhenu, Blood Rage and so on are meant to be played as 3-4 players or even 5 or more if game allows. Of course some games may be better in some specific player number but still I think games would need extra rulebooks for each player number to balance everything out. That contains setup, rules, actions, resources etc. I think it just would take too much time. I played Teotihuacan as 2, 3 and 4 players and of course 4 players gameplay was the best, this game has "bot" which takes some spaces to imitate increased cost of locations but it has only tiny effect on other players altho I enjoyed even 3 and 2 player game but I could feel significally difference in gameplay. Abyss and Blood Rage in the other hand are one of my favourite games and yet I cant stand them as 2 player game because...they just don't work! Both game just shine as 4 or 5 players, but 2 or 3 are meh, maybe Abyss (just base game) is fine as 3 players. I played tons of Abyss and Blood Rage matches and I lately got to know Teotihuacan, gosh that game is epic. The only thing that saddens me is actions balance, I can't figure out how could designers leave the game as it is! I mean unfortunately there's only one way to win the game, by building pyramid that's on the middle of the board. You can't go Worship strategy because it's not worth, also you must then unlock workers or count that other players will bump them but it's not going to happen propably, masks are so weak that we didn't ever picked them unless it was literally last action and we were like "oh I take that mask, better 1 point than nothing", we decided to reduce the costs of masks by 1 resource of your choice, which means the level 1 masks are free now so now it makes sense for people to get them, and also it encourages to go further into that strategy. I get it that designers wanted players to build that pyramid as a main goal to win but the difference between actions I mean the efficiency is just too high. There's one specific technology that allow you to build first pyramid tile 1 cheaper resource and treat that location as you have there additional worker is just too strong and it's must have. Teotihuacan could be so much better in terms of balance, so sad testers missed it or for some other reasons designers decided to keep it. I have two expansions, didn't play them that much but still mask strategy even as a minor bonus way of scoring is not worth, even with those things expansion added. We're about to test our house rule with 1 resource cheaper masks and see how it goes because right now everyone just skip them which is sad, they have potential.
@tabletopgenius77
@tabletopgenius77 4 года назад
Wouldn’t the passage of time theme be the cyclical nature of society from a day/season/year changing and making items that were once forbidden become prized possessions by the masses only to then fall out of favor again? The game warrants you to manage let’s say, the value of building a statue, at the right historical moment or be caste down and out of favor (ie losing).
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
maybe, but the fact that the actions around the wheel are tied to specific gods makes me assuem it has something to do with shifts in favor there, though again, it would be great if the game went into this instead of just throwing up it's hands and saying "they're dice!"
@wallyvdb87
@wallyvdb87 4 года назад
Are you gonna propose your variants to the designers (balance rewards + bot in 2pl games). I am Interested in there reaction and they sound great implementations to me...
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
if i ever run into them irl maybe, but otherwise probably not, and will just put the video out there. if they've got responses in mind, i'm always happy to update the video (though very few developers take me up on that)
@davidturczi5713
@davidturczi5713 4 года назад
@@rahdo I always say: we didn't think it's necessary to add the bot in 2p game, but if you want, this will support it out of the box. Go ahead :)
@wallyvdb87
@wallyvdb87 4 года назад
So @rahdo any chance updating the video (maybe also with a playthrough) with this 2pl+bot variant? :)
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
@@wallyvdb87 probably not, but still good news from dave :)
@JLX5
@JLX5 4 года назад
@@davidturczi5713 Apparently is becoming clear that it is necessary...
@shortydancer
@shortydancer 4 года назад
Just noticed that if i was sitting where the camera is, i would be blocked the whole game from those dice! Kind of a bummer. Im sure there could have been another solution for the obelisk.
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
irl it's not too bad because the pillar is pretty thin :)
@ALEXHAMMOND1
@ALEXHAMMOND1 4 года назад
Odd question, is that a copy of the updated Project Elite behind you? Have you put any updated thoughts out anywhere, podcast etc? Would love to hear what you think!
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
yup, it's the new one. i'm very excited to try it out, but it hasn't hit the table yet. soon i hope!
@davidbennett2339
@davidbennett2339 4 года назад
We've only played this a couple of times, and we think it's got a chance, but it's going to need a house rule (we'll probably only ever play it with the two of us, we wouldn't impose our house rules on others). Our main complaint is the "Decrees," which are an example of something very tiresome (ymmv) and typical these days--secret end-of-game bombshells that vary wildly from spectacular to blah, and come to you as a matter of blind luck. We think we're going to just take the damn things out of the game entirely on our next play and see how that goes, just give a fixed points reward in those spaces instead. Our other complaint--the player aid is laughably stupid, and a good one was needed. Ah well, you can't have everything--once we're done wrangling this game into something we can like, I think we're actually going to love it. We house-ruled the crap out of Teotihuacan and now we enjoy it very much quite often, and this one is on the same track because the gameplay is really fun.
@Kr1stmas
@Kr1stmas 2 года назад
what did you house rule in teotihuacan?
@gerasimos5491
@gerasimos5491 3 года назад
Best comments, to the point as always! Just to tease you, is this the label of a new t-shirt on your right sleeve??
@rahdo
@rahdo 3 года назад
it's a blm logo :)
@gerasimos5491
@gerasimos5491 3 года назад
@@rahdo even better!
@madfiddler
@madfiddler 4 года назад
Top 5 for me👍
@InteractionImplants
@InteractionImplants 4 года назад
I 100% agree with Rahdo's complaints regarding the 2 player experience. I am far less forgiving of Tekhenu's 2 player shortcomings however. Tekhenu is one of the most player count driven games I've ever played. 2 Player - 4.5/10 3 Player - 7.5/10 I haven't played with four players yet, but based on my experience, it's easy to see that Tekhenu would be an even more constricting experience than with three players. Three players was already unbelievably tight. 2 players was oddly loose and felt poorly designed in comparison.
@Nain1982
@Nain1982 4 года назад
did you try it with the bot?
@InteractionImplants
@InteractionImplants 4 года назад
@@Nain1982 No. Is there a bot that can be integrated regardless of playercount? Can you provide me a little more information on how the bot is integrated? If the bot can pad lower count games and said bot is good, I would recommend the bot is always used.
@Nain1982
@Nain1982 4 года назад
@@InteractionImplants I was only asking out of curiosity. I referenced the "bot" as Rahdo pointed that the solo bot was very easy to handle and easily integrated to a 2p game. If you noticed in other posts, designer Turczi also commented that the bot meant for solo would work well at 2 for those that wanted to try it. So, I was curious to see if you had tried this :) I have to wait for my copy of Tekhenu until next week :/
@InteractionImplants
@InteractionImplants 4 года назад
@@Nain1982 I'm also anticipating the arrival of my copy! I hope you enjoy the game!
@Nain1982
@Nain1982 4 года назад
@@InteractionImplants oh so you played with someones copy! Hope you enjoy it too!
@hatchimmmmm
@hatchimmmmm 4 года назад
I have Teotihuacan and love it, I play it with my wife and yes and I can't win her. Should I buy this or the first one?
@rahdo
@rahdo 3 года назад
i prefer teo
@relvar3158
@relvar3158 4 года назад
I think this biggest statement is “it is what it is”. Not the most resounding endorsement for the game.
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
yup, it is a bummer the game is so relatively abstract
@douglasmurdoch7247
@douglasmurdoch7247 4 года назад
This is actually the fourth game in his "T" series so far, with Trismegistus being the third.
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
tris isn't really ancient historical, nor is it really focused on the passage of time as a core mechanism, so i don't really consider it to be in the same series :)
@roberthyde5296
@roberthyde5296 3 года назад
After 3 plays, I still am wondering why, besides opening up the tech track, does population not have more of an impact. Happiness seems to have gotten the better attention while population is just saying, well I opened up access to more ways for you happy people to trounce me. Population seems like a loss leader. Am I missing something? I know population feeds the need bread for scoring mechanism, but I just feel it should do more.
@waltercardcollector
@waltercardcollector Год назад
Is it possible that you missed that your happiness can't go above your population?
@relvar3158
@relvar3158 4 года назад
Cursory, doing a thing, goodness boring as all get out. Chasing a balance of what exactly?
@rahdo
@rahdo 4 года назад
that is the question!
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