Tekton Drama Ensues - Owner Claims BOTCHED Measurements 

@ErinsAudioCorner Re-Review and Response - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ItAwcW-3Kv4.html Tekton Drama Ensues - Owner Claims BOTCHED Measurements from @AudioScienceReview and @ErinsAudioCorner . Eric Threatens litigation on Audio Science Review Forum - audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/tekton-m-lore-speaker-review.48732/post-1935110 Watch the full podcast - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IFwDV-d5sf8.html Join Us for MWAVE 2024 (June 21-23, 2024) - midwestavexperience.com/ Platinum Channel Sponsor: Arendal Sound - bit.ly/Arendal_Sound Subwoofers - bit.ly/Arendal_Subwoofers 1723 Speakers - bit.ly/Arendal_1723_Series 1723 THX Monitor - bit.ly/Arendal_1723_Monitor 1723 Subwoofer 2V - bit.ly/1723_Subwoofer_2V 1723 Subwoofer 1S - bit.ly/1723_Subwoofer_1S Use the affiliate links below and help support the channel with no cost to you. TV's (98" and larger) - shop.howl.me/youthman/collections/5383 Audio Advice - bit.ly/Audio_Advice Best Buy - howl.me/clwC9rCV7qx Amazon - www.amazon.com/shop/youthman The AV Experience Podcast: RU-vid - bit.ly/The_AV_Experience_Podcast_RU-vid Spotify - bit.ly/The_AV_Experience_Podcast_Spotify Apple - bit.ly/The_AV_Experience_Podcast_Apple Upgrade Your Home Theater - bit.ly/MWAVE_Sales Weekly and monthly Zooms on Patreon - www.patreon.com/youthman The AV Experience Podcast - bit.ly/The_AV_Experience_Podcast MWAVE 2023 Tickets and Info - midwestavexperience.com/ FREE Home Theater Design Tool - bit.ly/Home-Theater-Design-Tool Recommended Home Theater Gear - www.amazon.com/shop/youthman Submit your Home Theater - hometheatertours.com. Ways You Can Support: Patreon: www.patreon.com/youthman Youthman Courses - www.youthmancourses.com/ Youthman Merch - teespring.com/stores/youthman/ Donation via Venmo @Youthman ____ Disclosure: Affiliate Links are used in the description of this video. I earn from qualifying purchases.

Tekton have just done more damage their brand than the worst review they could imagine.

Who designs a speaker with holes all the way thru the cabinet for feet? That in itself screams incompetence in design. The holes won't likely make any appreciable difference in amplitude response above bass frequencies, but the impedance measurement may be slightly different.

This guy at Tekton should be ashamed of himself. Not a proper way to respond to a reputable reviewer. Especially when the review wasn't even negative! This method of response will shed more negative light on the company then any "bad" review.

Example of how to handle it is Cambridge audio CEO reaching out to Amir, surprised how CXA81 amp tested. They sent another unit and there was an issue with usb ground switch lift. He remeasured and had results in line with what CA got themselves. Amir applauded them for help to resolve the issue. Win win. Clearly Cambridge audio cares about how the product performs and reviewer is willing make things right

I'll never touch a Tekton speaker, that's not how you act.

It's childish to sue all the bad reviews, use this as an opportunity to make a better product.

I own Tekton Loudspeakers, I'm hurt and embarrassed

This is not a fight you should've started, Tekton. Pack up and learn a new skill, you killed your business. Sue all of us. When Mommy brings your bottle at the wrong temperature, deal with it. Right is right, wrong is wrong.

Tekton may as well file for bankruptcy. The company will never recover with social media. Tekton was probably not doing well, so now its "lets' sue everybody" before we close the doors. Any company can make a cheap crappy speaker, just take it as a learning experience to make a better speaker. 100,000+ brands exist for a reason. There is NO perfect brand or design.

This shocked me as well. Tekton has done way more damage to itself from their replies than any speaker design issues being masked with their own proprietary in-house measuring processes. They should have told Steve Guttenburg his great review was improperly made as well with their speakers being without the feet, but no! I want honest reviews from reviewers and if only seeing continuous positive reviews, it does feel like manufacturer advertisement collusion which I suspect is mainly happening. As consumers, we need to be aware, especially now with so much corporate marketing half-truths that have become the norm in audio especially. Excellent discussion gentlemen.

5:54 I built some speakers out of tall plastic flower pots (strengthened inside) and sealed somewhat with wood plates on the top and bottom. The pots were turned up-side-down for the right shape for speakers. The woofer is firing onto the floor under the speaker on the wood bottom plate. There is also a top plate (smaller) with the bass vent. Also another open driver on the top.The binding post and the top and bottom wood plates, was not quite properly sealed around the joints from wood to plastic. After running the speakers like that for a while, I went around the joints with glue very precisely and meticulously so it was all sealed right around! The difference in bass was amazing! Way more punch and sounded amazing. A bit of blue tack in the small holes in the Tecton speaker is an easy task. There would be a difference, I'm sure. 🎉

Erins subscribers are about to quadruple.

Thanks for getting this some more air. The real problem here is not the speaker(s).

A healthy person would try to go live with Erin and explain their methods and flaws, so everyone could understand

Cheapudioman also did a review on the Lores I think. And he didn't have a problem either. Steve didn't do measurements, Jay did multiple Tekton reviews and he didn't post any measurements either and he thank Jay for his reviews. I think Eric is butt hurt about measurements I think that's the difference. Erin is one of the few reviewers that measure, and the measurements didn't look all that bad to me.He has a problem with people that measure his speakers. Why IDK?

GoldenSound is being threatened with a lawsuit due to a review of the dCS Bartok. www.youtube.com/@GoldenSound This kind of behaviour needs to stop.

That mess with New Record Day a few years ago wasn't with Danny...it was with Eric Alexander and Tekton. This all goes to the core of the consumers' trust in reviewers. If all we are going to get are compensated infomercials, we all lose. Pretty unconscionable to try to game us all with these tactics. I hope the market steps up and teaches a lesson.

Erin's review was for the most part very positive, and the only thing that Eric got his panties all in a bunch over was one small resonance that Erin found. If Eric thinks that's too harsh, he'd better pray that no one sends one of his speakers to Danny at GR Research, who is brutal!

Tekton Speakers is pulling a BOSE which is a thing no one in the hobby has ever approved of!

Two companies in recent months showing themselves as untrustworthy, threatening and harrasing reviewers for their honest views and opinions. Lets get it straight, we have a guy making DIY speakers with painted cabinets and coloured sound whining when his DIY speaker doesnt measure as he claims. Shutting down any negative reviews. That shows a company that is worth a bag of potatoes. Next we have honest reviews of a product many in the audio community felt they themselves had similar findings of, DCS. Threatening legal action due to someone saying it's not all that great sounding as it can make something that should not sound smooth sound smooth, if your headphone DAC is making the band Skrillex sound pleasant at ear splitting volumes it's clearly doing something that many listeners wont agree with. In my opinion any audio company not able to take a negative review on the chin or accept someone finds distortion or a technical issue, needs to stop ripping off customers with exasberated prices and fake nonsense glorified nonsense by filthy paid for positive reviews. It simply shows the true face of a company that needs to only have positive reviews and their flaws burried under legality.

Rusty has a very valid point about the issue that, should an (influential! in particular) reviewer find something grossly wrong with a device, should pause, double-check his work, CONTACT the manufacturer with his findings, BEFORE just publishing something that may be flawed. Re-reviewing afterwards, apologising etc. would not be sufficient. I also defend the right to be able to have access to independent reviews on any product I may be interested in. Big boy lawyer muscle, should not be flexed to silence reviewers. Reviewers such as Erin, ASR to just name two, should contact manufacturers prior to publishing reviews, giving them a chance to comment, but ultimately be free to publish their findings.

With inexpensive speakers like these, the supposed error is completely insignificant. Most people buying these speakers would probably not be able to hear it.

How to level your brand integrity. Imagine having bought one of these mediocre speakers and having to get customer service on them. Will you also be threatened and bullied? Will the money I spent with them go towards the legal costs that would produce? I can fully understand anyone cancelling their orders over this. Not because the data looked horrible, but because the way Eric behaved looks horrible.

Tekton from the first time I saw them I couldn’t stop laughing I would never consider such a build 😂

I trust Erin's data words over Tekton's regular words 😂 Anyone who trusts their own word over Erin's data is close-minded, regardless of who is right or wrong. Its a difficult thing in this hobby, the way people dig their heels in. I think a lot of us have this idea of shared experience and others have this idea of achieving some sort of reference point. It causes a big divide that we all struggle to identify. Sharing of opinion and experience to achieve individual and joint successes is the Youthman Youthmission if you ask me. How ever I can help one achieve their goal. But I still make suggestions to test and compare. It's all about the people. Some companies sadly miss that mark. Hopefully our collective voice can have a positive influence on the wellbeing of our fellow hobbyists/enthusiast. I really admire the conduct of Paul at PS Audio. He has his philosophies about audio, but his principles and morals of humanity are why i come back, even if i dont agree or even need the info.

Tekton has wiped itself off the short list for many audiophiles purely by their own actions. Tekton is not the worst HiFi manufacturer out there. There is at least one HiFi manufacturer recommended by Stereophile that recommends consumer behaviour that represents serious fire risks. I'm a fan of objective measurements. The idea that publications send reviews for manufacturer approval horrifies me - that's why I don't trust most HiFi publications. Some reviews read like part has been written by the manufacturer.

@Jonathan I love your Home Theater, brother. I, too, have my office in the corner of my HT (not by choice, but I love it). It is in the back corner and does not interfere with anything.

The Steve Guttenberg review is a studio monitor, the only product from Tekton that is not a floor speaker, and may not have feet

I feel even if the measurements were "botched" I feel the manufacturer could instead just highlight how great the products sound like things can measure horrible but sound really great. Also going into an argument with the community rarely lead to anything good for manufacturers.And anyone giving excuses or blame something for bad results always look bad, imo.

Erin has gotten so popular on YT that manufacturers and retailers are now sending him products for evaluation.

due to an overall lack of subtlety, it's shockingly obvious that some in this comment section are shilling for tekton. even more disgrace on display.

Id like to see the deleted review.

how could i give you a honest review if the damm car doesn't have the engine, well how does she run 😡🤬🤬

Tekton surface mounts their speakers!! Red flag numero 1!

Tekton has made so many exellent speakers. The mini Lore's , the Lore's, the Enzo etc. Tekton i believe is more or less a one man operation. Best way to handle all reviews is the way TNT does reviews. Before publishing they always ask/asked for the manufacturer comment.

He needs to put out a video that he is selling the company. Unless he rather stay in scuttle mode, and go down with the ship he scuttled. If I was him, I would sell and retire. As my high school auto shop teacher used to say when someone in class made a mistake; "Eric! You really stepped on your di_k this time!"

Dont know who heads that brand, that person is really damaging it...

Please, for the love of science, get your terminology correct. There are 2 types of inserts. A threaded through-hole and a threaded blind hole. Okay? Carry-on.

If it looks like a box 📦

We always offered 1/16" thick x 1.5" diameter neoprene pads for clients that aren't using the feet - I'm confident Steve Guttenberg's pair had pads on them and weren't leaking high pressure air in-and-out of the cabinets.

TRUE BA DOOR!!! Has he never seen this word?

These RU-vid reviewers are all about the money. They are paid to discredit him, they are amateur reviewers. Eric is dedicated and diligent, putting in the hard work and making sacrifices to craft exceptional speakers that rival or surpass those priced significantly higher. His passion for his craft is evident, yet it's disheartening to see some reviewers nitpick rather than appreciate his efforts. Before casting judgment based solely on measurements, they should engage with Eric directly to understand his vision and process. He rightfully defends his creations and business against any potential harm, as any responsible business owner would. Just as Stereophile magazine consults with manufacturers before publishing reviews to ensure accuracy, reviewers should extend the same courtesy to Eric before making any detrimental statements.

Man, one reviewer gives an objective based review, the company flips out, and youthman spreads that to 130K enthusiasts. 😅 joking. As far as I'm concerned Fosi and other brands that continue to improve are the ones that bring the most value to the HT community. Take one loss, go get two wins and continue.

TROGDOR!

Terrible speakers

No chance I ever buy a Tekton product after discovering how the owner handles these things. Never. There are too many other good products out there that don't weaponize litigation to quell dissent.

Erin called Tekton before measuring the speakers to ask if he needed to know anything before setting them up. No one told him he needed to install the feet. What a joke. The way that Eric/Tekton dealt with this review was a monumental fumble. A less than ideal result from Klippel measurements by Amir or Erin don't have a negative effect on a speakers' sales. See Amir's review of the Magnepan LRS, Klipsch RP600M, etc classifying them as broken. Those speakers are hot sellers. Most consumers are not looking at spinorama data to make a purchasing decision. Eric threw a tantrum for nothing. And after seeing how he conducts himself, I cannot ever see myself in the market for a Tekton speaker. And I'm sure many others now feel the same way. Streisand effect all the way.

As I said in an ASR thread about this, I am in the market for new fronts and would not even consider Tekton based on the company's behavior at this point. I no longer care how their products perform. I simply would not do business with this guy.

IMO Tekton has done more damage to their brand in the last few days than any bad review could have ever done. This is being talked about on every audio forum and yet Tekton hasn't taken a clue. They really need to come out and say, "Yeah, we f'd up and are going to make it right". Instead the guy who is making the big decision is being stubborn in the path he chose while the brand, creditability, and what customer base they have left goes up in flames. Crazy! I for one will NEVER buy a pair of their speakers. If they act like this over measurements, then it really makes me wonder what else they are hiding.

I would NEVER, EVER purchase a Tekton product because of these ridiculous threats. Absolutely uncalled for.

Hey Tekton how’s that Streisand effect working for you? Your response does more harm than the measurements.

Wow, just wrote off this brand. This dude needs to grow up.

He’s been like this for years. I thought about buying a set of his speakers back in 2017. After reading up on his company and reading stuff on Eric I completely changed my mind. I got a chance to hear them 2 years later and felt so blessed I never bought his products. Definitely not someone I would ever buy anything from.

I'm currently in the market for new speakers, and I've been curious about Tekton for a little while, but there is no way in hell I will ever buy any Tekton product after learning about this.

Much respect to Youthman, Amir, Gene, and all the consumers who are standing up against this bully. I will never consider a Tekton product and will make sure anyone I know is aware and stay away as well.

Well, I now know one brand I'll never be buying.

This sets a dangerous precedent for ALL reviewers. To not be able to freely speak their mind and give their opinions is bad for all of us.

Erin’s review of the speakers was impeccable as per usual. He pointed out a few issues, didn’t make a huge deal of it, and the only personal statement he made was that the elevated midrange was not *his* cup of tea, but made effort to point out that he was stating his own opinion and folks should make their own opinions. I’m less of a fan of ASR, for reasons I won’t get into here. Amir incorrectly assumed the intended vertical axis, which was in my mind a bigger error than anything Erin did. I believe that’s an easy correction though. That is an issue that a) speaker companies NEED to make more clear and b) reviewers NEED to pay more attention to. Designers ALWAYS make speakers to be listened to on or off axis, but that info rarely gets to the end user. I have to say, Amir’s fans on the ASR forum were a whole lot more respectful to Eric Alexander than they’ve been in the past to other folks (Gene DellaSalla and Starke Sound come to mind), in spite of his unhinged behavior. While we’re talking Tekton, Stereophile just reviewed a pair of their tricked-out Moab speakers. Stereophile isn’t as easy to push around, but the reviewer did mention that Eric was irritated that two Stereophile reviewers preferred to plug the bass ports on Tekton speakers they reviewed. The dude seems to have issues with controlling behaviors.

That owner of Tekton speakers needs to learn how to take constructive criticism, some people struggle with it. I thought Erin’s review of the speaker was fairly positive. It’s to bad because I kinda liked that Tekton dude and what he does. He offers a big speaker for the price.

Tekton is now OUT of my speaker bucket list! Forever.

4 3/4" long M6 threaded holes arn;t gonna do much. At low spl levels they can act as ports and that may or may not show up on the impedance plot. But at 85dB the port speed would already be so high that it acts as a closed system. You could still hear it as a whoosing sound when in the nearfield. Erin's review wasn't even bad he kinda liked it with a few minor issues and side notes because of the driver layout. In the end the inroom response was pretty good better then most. He just liked a simularly priced speaker better. Now he is getting fucked over by a shitty company

A while back Eric Alexander pulled this same dog and pony show on the A'gon forum.

I trust Erin over MFG data

Plenty of fish in the sea to choose from in this audio video hobby. Tekton will never receive future business from myself nor recommendations to several friends and family. Better ways to approach the situation. Sounds like a repeat challenge with this CEO and not worth the drama to support these type of intimidation tactics.

This reminds me of David Chang’s chili crisp and Barbara Streisand’s house. Tekton will regret this poor business decision going after reviewers.

I really liked Erin’s first review and for the price, it looked like a potential speaker to buy. Not anymore! Never buying from this manufacturer ever

Very bad look for Tekton. As a small business owner as well I know it’s more than ego that Eric is trying to protect. But Eric needs better advisors to help him better handle such issues. It could have been a big plus if they did now it looks to be a big minus for Tekton.

Erin's reviews and measurements should be taken as constructive criticism not a reason to get your feelings hurt.

Then what does Tekton have as an equivalent set of measurements to prove either ASR or Erin's were flawed? It's like suing someone for a saying a water container is published as holding one quart, when it holds less by measurement and "I'm going to sue you for saying it holds less than 1 quart" when you cannot prove it actually holds a quart!

Tekton budlight moment.I trust Erin and Klippel measurements. Look at Ascend Acoustics, they provide measurements of every speaker they sell.

This is a great way for a company to self cancel...alienating their customer base by publicly threatening litigation if you say or do anything that bruises their ego (the review wasn't even bad)...the way Tekton (Eric) has handled this is pathetic and will do more harm to the brand than the actual review...Eric needs to learn some communication skills and actually talk to people...a simple private conversation could have and should have taken place before he threw a tantrum like a spoiled child

The negative thing that I recall from Erin's review, and I may not be remembering things correctly, is that the speaker had very limited bass output. I don't recall Erin disparaging the speaker for that. If that is the case and Eric thinks the speaker plays deeper with the feet installed, he could simply have mention that to Erin and asked him to retest it. But, if we are to add in Eric response to Amir, then we can infer that bullying reviewers who see issues with his speakers is his default position. This may have some tactical advantages that we are not seeing right now. Although everyone involved here and now has a strong revulsion to tacton, those who do Google searches in the future for their speakers will see nothing negative. In the short term, he gets poor word of mouth from folks who aren't In the process of buying Tekton speakers. In the long term, this brouhaha will fade away leaving Steve's review standing tall on the Tekton website. Perhaps someone could contact Steve tell him about all this and he might want to withdraw his review.

I did see the review. It was not a negative review. Erin gave subjective and objective info to help consumers with use/placement/stand height, etc. This review was not presented out of malice, but information showing strengths and weaknesses. This prideful owner's over-reaction(s) will ultimately lead to fewer customers trusting his brand. And if it's that important, put a damn thicker bottom panel on the speakers, Duh!

@youthman I had watched the Troubador review by Erin as soon as it came out, as I do with every one of his review videos. He was very generous with the review and all the 'pitfalls' that Erin mentioned about these speakers were in the same spirit and sense as he does for any other speaker he has ever reviewed. Erin did not burst out and abuse the brand and the product in his review. He just listed all the pros and cons of the speaker in his usual way. Honestly I think, this Eric guy of Tekton only made it worse now and let more people know that his designs have issues! :D

When Stereophile reviewed a Tekton speaker, John Atkinson found similar resonances, yet they weren't threatened, presumably because they aren't an independent little guy that Tekton thinks they can push around. Shameful!

I would have called Erin's review of the Troubadors a favorable review, or at worst a favorable-leaning review, given the price of the speakers.

A lot of reviewers just send it back if the product isn’t strong. I’ve had DM’s with a couple reviewers who I asked what happened to the review if this product I was interested in, and they responded “it wasn’t for me, so I sent it back” and usually added that they don’t want to hurt the small companies. I think that’s why the large manufacturers get the tough love compared to the smaller ones in reviews. Just what I’ve heard and noticed.

The main problem with the Tekton is not something that a small hole on the bottom would cause. That hole won't have a fart's impact on directivity, which is clearly a nemesis of Mr. Eric Alexander, the CEO and Founder of Tekton Designs.

The simple fact that someone is able to sue someone over their opinion is wrong in general and this is not the first time Tekin has done this to someone over review. They did not like once I found this out. I never looked at their speakers again. It is wrong to sue someone because you didn’t like what they said, but this is the world we live in today

When you threaten someone with litigation because you don’t like their review and opinion of your product, you’d better be ready to go all the way to the courthouse and possibly lose a ton of money and sales. In this day and age the downside is so much worse to the product manufacturer than it ever is to the reviewer. ✌️

I bet no one else will ever review their products. I wouldn't. You don't Sue someone that made a mistake, you ask them to put the feet on and remeasure or retest to correct the issue. How to destroy your own business 101. Good job Tekton.

This has seriously affected my willingness to purchase Tekton in the future. Even if the measurements had been done incorrectly (which I doubt) it's the way the company has dealt with it that is leaving a bad taste with me. They could have handled this much better and not damaged their own reputation.

Wow, I would never consider this company's products seeing this play out. The community needs to support Erin in this case on principal or reviews will become useless. I once had a company try to bribe me to change a not so great review of their product I did once, couldn't believe I got a call from the owner!

I have reviewed some Klipsch speakers in my time. Not as professional as youthman but still.. my impression is that you can review a speaker having it stand upside down, pointing out the window. As long as you say it is the best speaker ever.. all is good. Sad. Nice video. ❤

Can you imagine Richard Vandersteen suing a guy for reviewing speakers without the feet? No, you cannot. Neither can I. Tekton can pound sand.

I thought the review was great! I like a more forward midrange. Wtf is wrong with that? I’m thinking he’s one of those perfectionists and doesn’t realize he’s not perfect and nobodies speakers are perfect.

GREAT COVERAGE GUYS!!! Erin is a great and capable reviewer.. Sad that we have manufacturers playing the "Take you to court" card to someone as reliable as Erin, and Amir when it comes to measurments..And then for a manufacturer to reply in such a unprofessional manner? WOW... I also agree as a reviewer if there's something wrong with a product, or something odd, I am reaching out to the vendor prior to publishing a review. More just to eliminate it being user error. Anyway, cheers guys!! Keep up the great work. 😁End of day - We have identified a manufacture who we will never review gear for.

He remeasured them, and it made no difference. Go figure

Erin and Amir both use SOTA Klippel systems for their speaker measurements.

I am still waiting on a return email from Tekton going on 2 years now. 🤣

Threatening to sue people is not generally a good PR move.....

The measurements were actually better than most people expected , at least that’s what people were saying in the comments of the original review , so I don’t get why Tekton is so upset about it as to threaten litigation

34:40 but does that help customers? What's the point of a reviewer if they only review what they consider to he safe and reliable? A reviewer is most helpful when they tackle products that are unknown, because then customers are oeovided with a wider selection of products or a better understanding of the market. Yeah, the good stuff is good. We already know that. But for budgetsry or regional or other reasons peope also chose to buy products from companies that aren't as well known. That's where reviewers shine the most

A masterclass on how to destroy your own company.

"you're muted, Rusty" *stays muted* ahhh, it's just like our dailies at work I'm so happy this is getting the coverage it deserves. these hostile brands should be called out publicly.

Believe it or not, people often buy from people they like. And they don't buy from people they don't like. I don't like this guy from Tekton.

I have another story for you. My dad lives in a country where it would be somewhere between difficult and impossible to get Tekton speakers. He wanted the Lores, so he figured out which components are in the speakers, and built his own clones. They sound just like the real thing, if not slightly better. He posted a few pictures in a Facebook audio discussion group. It seems that Eric A. was in the group. My dad is now banned from Facebook entirely. He wasn't trying to make money off of the speakers he built. He built one pair for his personal enjoyment and told some people about it.

From all that has transpired, it seems that Eric has done more to harm Tekton's reputation than anything any reviewer could say. It seems that some people just can't help themselves.

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