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It literally never stops raining here ...
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LINKS:
THE WORLDSMITH (Spreadsheet): docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
PATREON: / artifexian
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MUSIC:
Udo Grunewald
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
00:16 Temperate Climates Info
02:42 Temperate Climate Band (Cxx)
03:26 Hot Summer Climates (Cxa)
04:28 Continentality Tricks
07:30 Hyperoceanic Temperate Climates (Cxb & Cxc)
08:27 Oceanic Temperate Climates (Cxb & Cxc)
09:33 Subcontinental Temperate Climates (Cxb & Cxc)
09:58 Continental Temperate Climates (Cxb)
13:29 Hypercontinental Temperate Climates?
14:00 Dry Summer Temperate Climates (Csx)
16:07 Dry Winter Temperate Climates (Cwx)
16:59 No Dry Season Temperate Climate
(Cfx)
18:03 World Reveal
18:24 Notable Elevation Patterns
19:20 Outro
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01:41 City Park Bayou Bridge
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01:48 Waterfall in Kells Baycommons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
❤️ Thanks for watching everyone. It means a lot. ❤️

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@rossbaygeo
@rossbaygeo Месяц назад
Unlike Edgar, I have the pleasure of living in a delightful Csb climate! If you have any questions about the guide, please respond to this comment so I can make sure to get back to you. Otherwise, see everyone next entry of the Worldbuilder's Log for the D climates!
@idle_speculation
@idle_speculation Месяц назад
A fellow Csb-dweller!
@KiraiKatsuji
@KiraiKatsuji Месяц назад
How is the climate for someone that starts melting at 15 celcius or above.
@Auroral_Anomaly
@Auroral_Anomaly Месяц назад
It’s the Csa climate’s mild cousin.
@ThingsLiamCaresAbout
@ThingsLiamCaresAbout Месяц назад
I wonder why Subtropical Monsoon climates seem to be so common on Cretak compared to Mediterranean climates and Humid Subtropical climates? Is it just how the geography worked out?
@theorixlux2605
@theorixlux2605 Месяц назад
How'd u come up with the continentality and average bi-annual temperature to estimate monthly temperatures? Did you find some obscure literature or does this idea merit its own publication in Nature?
@Lucas-df4ht
@Lucas-df4ht Месяц назад
C(x)c climates aren’t always windswept grasslands! Naturally, they usually harbor immense forests (see Scotland, Alaska, Iceland, and Chile’s rainforests in those zones). It’s just that mass deforestation is a very common result of human habitation in those areas since the cold weather and short growing seasons leads humans to log even more profusely than normal for fuel, building materials, and to make room for livestock. Those areas *naturally* should be dominated by great and ancient rainforests.
@agme8045
@agme8045 Месяц назад
Buenos Aires is naturally a grassland, with nothing more than a few bushes and lonely trees. Pretty much the only forests there are here are man made (the only natural forest is on the river plate delta, but that’s just a very small area compared to the rest of the region)
@wudu-wasa971
@wudu-wasa971 Месяц назад
Iceland is definitely not a place with immense forest, but I agree with what you mean with Scotland and Alaska.
@ArcticTron
@ArcticTron Месяц назад
@@wudu-wasa971 To be fair Iceland used to have forests, not anymore though.
@mvalthegamer2450
@mvalthegamer2450 Месяц назад
@@wudu-wasa971 Iceland did have forests till ~1250 Ad
@wudu-wasa971
@wudu-wasa971 Месяц назад
@@mvalthegamer2450 yes, Iceland had forest before human settlement. But again, not immense forest. Iceland was around 25% forested around the time of settlement in the 9th century. Even prior to the deforestation brought by Scandinavian settlers, the majority of the island was not covered by woodland.
@EduNauta95
@EduNauta95 Месяц назад
As a mediterranean climate dweller, the lack of fresh grass anywhere is extremely demoralising.
@eiknarfp6391
@eiknarfp6391 Месяц назад
Fr, it may look pretty but it’s a pain to walk on. A reminder on why we wear shoes
@Kalithrasis
@Kalithrasis Месяц назад
The summer dry/winter wet regime in a Mediterranean climate is essentially that climate's version of winter for continental climates. Everything goes dormant until the rains come.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
It could be worse. You could be in an oceanic climate that's wet enough for a temperate rainforest, but has less forest than almsot every European country., even though it also has a fraction of the population density. We really get the worst of both worlds.
@juliab3326
@juliab3326 26 дней назад
​@@yoironfistbro8128Talking about Ireland?
@velvet3784
@velvet3784 23 дня назад
Same, every patch of grass turns dull yellow during summer here. It can look pretty to see in wild like golden yellow grass but not always and not when it is your garden. So I wish I live in oceanic climate where my garden would be green all year long. And rolling green hills is always nice to see. No wonder Windows XP wallpaper is so iconic.
@FanFive5
@FanFive5 Месяц назад
Coming from a muggy Cfa where the grass is dead and the yellowflies are relentless.
@CaptainSeaDog_
@CaptainSeaDog_ Месяц назад
Seriously, I’ll take Cfb any day of my life. Cfa is a horror you have to experience for yourself especially if you’re in a wetland its WAY worse.
@KiraiKatsuji
@KiraiKatsuji Месяц назад
And i'm still waiting until we get to my Climate because i want to know for sure where i would want to live on this planet. Another great episode very educational and entertaining cannot wait for another episode
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
You WANT to live in a continental climate?
@KiraiKatsuji
@KiraiKatsuji Месяц назад
@@yoironfistbro8128 Yes the extremes of negative thirty to positive thirty are my favorite, but in all honesty i take into attribute location of the place on this planet just as much as the climate
@pico1136
@pico1136 Месяц назад
Nice. I live in continental climate too. Poland to be specific
@KiraiKatsuji
@KiraiKatsuji Месяц назад
@@pico1136 Same bro i live in the central poland so the boring part
@user-wh5sz6to9i
@user-wh5sz6to9i Месяц назад
One critique that I have is that in our world, Mediterranean climates never touch tropical (A) climates. Theres is always a semi arid region and a desert in between, chile, south west australia, the mediterranean, california. I am not sure if this tendency is always applicable but in the top right continent the one shapped like a question mark (jannar?) In the coastal island and near by coast you have a mediterranen climate directly transtioning a to a tropical savanna.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
It does happen in our word, but not over land for the most part. Tiny slivers of the Canary Islands are on the border of Csa and As, and you'll find such a borderline climate across quite a bit of the subtropical Atlantic.
@user-wh5sz6to9i
@user-wh5sz6to9i Месяц назад
@@yoironfistbro8128 Could you give more examples of mediterranean and tropical climates touching in the subtropical atlantic. Because I am not sure what regions you are refering to, cape verde? Because as far as I am concerned the canaries do not have any koppen tropical climates, its either temperate or arid.
@rossbaygeo
@rossbaygeo Месяц назад
I think this is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind. The important element of this to understand is that most A climates are created by the low pressure zones that provide precipitation primarily during the summer or all year round, while Csx climates on west coasts receive precipitation in the winter from the movement of high pressure zones. This leads many Csa climates to occur on the poleward side of an arid zone produced by the very same high pressure zone. What is happening on that Island is not dissimilar: the southern part is Aw, then (moving poleward) there is a thin band of BSh, and then a transition of As to Csa-which is difficult to interpret because most Köppen maps use the same colour for Aw and As. We do see transitions from As to Csa and Csb climates, usually in highlands like those of East Africa e.g. Ethiopia-but this occurring at sea-level it is an interesting quirk of Cretak.
@fatehbousseniou3217
@fatehbousseniou3217 Месяц назад
living all my life in the mediterranean it s crazy how ppl find it weird for summer to be dry lol
@agme8045
@agme8045 Месяц назад
Being from Buenos Aires I don’t know what dryness is, you have wet seasons and even wetter ones.
@excelvalentino6972
@excelvalentino6972 Месяц назад
i dont find it weird as my Af climate area has a dry season when its slightly warmer
@dayalasingh5853
@dayalasingh5853 Месяц назад
I'm Indo Canadian and have experienced the heat of both Punjab and Southern Canada (it still gets to above 30 sometimes) and when I first visited Spain in Andalucia a couple years ago I was so surprised by how manageable the heat was, despite being hotter than Toronto I was totally fine walking around the city all day. Those dry summers really are amazing.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
Living all my life in an oceanic climate, it's crazy how people around me expect summer to be sunny and winter to be rainy, when it should be obvious that we get all sort of conditions all year round.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
​@@agme8045Sums up Ireland as well
@talideon
@talideon Месяц назад
Like Edgar, I'm in Ireland. I don't think the rain is the problem here though: it's that the humidity is ~65% and it's starting to get uncomfortably warm for that level of humidity. Some people may scoff at 25-27°C, but when you're in a country that uses the wind as an air conditioner, you're just praying for it to rain for a while to clear the air for a short while. (And this is purely a humidity thing. I've been in +40°C weather and had no issues because I had the sense to keep myself hydrated and wasn't looking to cook myself, and when I'd sweat, I didn't feel all clammy. Heat is grand, humidity is not.)
@DocXango
@DocXango Месяц назад
Right now it's 8:00pm and 33c with 60% humidity and no wind where I am at. I'd kill for some of that rain.
@excelvalentino6972
@excelvalentino6972 Месяц назад
9.50 am 29C and 70% rh
@VulcanTrekkie45
@VulcanTrekkie45 Месяц назад
Love it so far! I'd suggest feathering out the boundaries a bit because the only places we see smooth lines like that on Earth are places were the land is very flat. Even the smallest elevation changes can break up a smooth line
@formica1892
@formica1892 Месяц назад
Good stuff! I can't say I share the hatred of Cfb, but then again Ireland is a bit of an outlier among all the various Cfb climates in the world. There is another variant of the Köppen system that draws the boundary between C and D climates at the -3°C winter isotherm, not 0°C, which I personally prefer since it makes Cxc climates a lot more common and tends to include areas that get very mild but still freezing winters into the umbrella of "temperate". It's too bad it wasn't given any mention here though. Minor Sidenote: 16:36 the direct transition between the Csa and Cwa climates isn't possible by definition, and often you only ever see Xsx and Xwx climates occur so close to eachother in areas with very low precipitation and low temperatures (on Earth the only place that really comes to mind is Siberia). A Xfx transition zone should always be present between the two, and in areas with gentler slopes and comparatively warmer temperatures you'd expect the Xfx transition to be particularly significant.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
Ireland isn't an outlier at all. It's literally THE Cfb region, to the point that it's almost comical. The -3C isotherm was actually the original one, and sort of made sense for separating oceanic and continental climates in central Europe. It was later changed to 0C by primarily American scientists. The change made sense, since the -3C isotherm put the likes of Boston and Indianapolis in the humid subtropical zone, which I think we can agree is absurd. Even the 0C isotherm infamously puts New York in the Cfa zone, which again raises some eyebrows, but you have to draw the line somewhere. You absolutely can have Xsx and Xwx touching each other. Imagine a city that has a dry winter and spring, say under 10mm from December to April, but then in summer the monsoon arrives, and it lasts into mid autumn, bringing over 100mm each month from July to October. Then in November, it starts getting dry again. In that case, you have a month in the high sun half (April-September) that's three times drier than the wettest month in the low sun half (October-March), but you also have a month in the high sum half that's ten times wetter than rhe driest month in the low sun half. Therefore you've fulfilled the criteria for Xsx and Xwx at the same time.
@formica1892
@formica1892 Месяц назад
@@yoironfistbro8128 Xsx demands 3 times more rainfall when comparing the wettest winter month to the driest summer month; Xwx demands 10 times more rainfall when comparing the wettest summer month to the driest winter month. In the case of Xsx, the driest summer month must also have less than either 30mm or 40mm of total precipitation depending on who you ask. Having a transition from any Xw to Xs climate means you need to magically jump from a summer that has a dry month below 40mm and a winter with a wet month above 120mm, to a summer with a wet month ten times wetter than the driest winter month. It may be mathematically possible assuming you've got some weird double-monsoon going on that for some reason only applies to one month in either season, but it generally just is not ever going to occur in the mid latitudes on an earth-like planet. Unlike the Af to BWh transition which is not only possible but expected on extremely hot planets, I can't even think of a scenario in which this sort of transition might occur. Maybe a planet with extremely cold tropics, that happens to have an analogue of Sri Lanka present somewhere? But even then, it's such an absurdly specific configuration.
@rossbaygeo
@rossbaygeo Месяц назад
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. Discussing variations of the Köppen-Geiger system is outside the scope of this series, especially in this case because there has been much disagreement as to where the line should be drawn between Temperate and Continental (or Mesothermal and Microthermal) climates. The argued lower limit for Temperate climates has ranged from 6°C to -3°C as you mentioned, with 3°C, 0°C, at least four months below 1°C, etc. among the cut-offs. We are assuming little if any background knowledge. For those who are aware of and prefer other criteria for the classifications (as well as other versions of the system like Trewartha), they are more than welcome to utilize those instead. As to the side note, there will be a mention at the end of the series about which climate classifications can occur adjacent to one another as apart of the revisions section and some suggested repair strategies. The weakness of the summer/winter month "dry-wet-very wet" method commonly used is that worldbuilders can frequently have Csx and Cwx climates adjacent to one another (and an overabundance of Cwx climates).
@hetzer3316
@hetzer3316 Месяц назад
You know when fanatic fans scream when they see their idol? I am one of them right now when the video dropped.
@zfloyd1627
@zfloyd1627 Месяц назад
Nice. This video came sooner than I expected.
@CuriosityCore101
@CuriosityCore101 Месяц назад
Seriously no matter what kind of day you're having, a new Artifexian video will immediately make it a million times better.
@niety5914
@niety5914 Месяц назад
Oh dear I've been waiting for this video for so long I clicked so quick after seeing the notification
@KaesoARhombil
@KaesoARhombil Месяц назад
Summers are really unpredictable where I live nowadays. Last year and two years ago, there were those heckin droughts everywhere. The river we live by took a toll. This year, the rain I live in a Cfb just like Edgar btw.
@user-mc7tu3zu9f
@user-mc7tu3zu9f Месяц назад
italy?
@KaesoARhombil
@KaesoARhombil Месяц назад
@@user-mc7tu3zu9f Nope. France.
@Ratchet4647
@Ratchet4647 Месяц назад
Liked the thumbnail for this one. Was mysterious and enticing.
@the-human-being
@the-human-being Месяц назад
Awesome video as usual, thx Edgar!
@spacetextadventure5619
@spacetextadventure5619 Месяц назад
I just rewatched the previous climate zone videos yesterday because I was impatient for the next one. Looks like i picked a good time!
@seanmartin3973
@seanmartin3973 Месяц назад
Thank you so much for making these! I can imagine it gets rote and you wanting to switch it up. Keep up the amazing work!
@user-wc6hq6id6h
@user-wc6hq6id6h Месяц назад
Love it ! The big mediterranean island west of Jannar seems like heaven on Kretak
@fernandorevilla3518
@fernandorevilla3518 Месяц назад
Hell yeahh! New episodeeee
@jonathanthomas8736
@jonathanthomas8736 Месяц назад
Gotta tell ya, Edgar, I really look forward to these.
@Not_Dane_Heart
@Not_Dane_Heart Месяц назад
Can't watch right now, will come back in a few minutes. Very excited tho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Not_Dane_Heart
@Not_Dane_Heart Месяц назад
did not disappoint
@robertscott7812
@robertscott7812 Месяц назад
I live in Texas. If we get any rain between May and September, then a wizard was fooling around with the clouds lol
@jamesgriffith5582
@jamesgriffith5582 Месяц назад
Looking through, that big inland-ish sea to the West of Janar could very much be a super Med compared to our one. The climate we know and love on the inner shore, with temperate climates on the mainland shore and outer side of the island. Very nice. WHat's more I can easily see early colonisation sailing west onto Ezri, following the long thin temperate coastal strip. The west coast of Ezri also has a nice california style thing going on with a very nice big chunk of Cwa and Cwb (hello northern Portugal!) Picard seems bereft of med style climates, but the eastern bay on the peninsular is a great wide arc of temperate that again jumps across an island arc to a very nice bit of Ezri. -I admit, it's a bit of a struggle reading/ deciphering all those additional shades of green on the differing continents. But hopefully once the climate stuff is done we'll get a fancy new map with a handy key. Great work.
@Voix1000x
@Voix1000x Месяц назад
Will you consider changing the prime meridian of the world map when you get to civilizations? Thinking about how and why it was drawn at Greenwhich in our world...
@pico1136
@pico1136 Месяц назад
I think its going to require redrawing all of the maps idk if its worth it
@yere7851
@yere7851 Месяц назад
always so sad when the video ends
@Bazingo87
@Bazingo87 Месяц назад
The most expected video for me, since Csa is my fab climate. Loving the series. I was really excited to apply it to my map, but I have ended up with a ton of Csb area, which I don’t think makes any sense since Mediterranean climates are supposed to be rare. I think I must have messed up bigly on the wind and precipitation maps. Has anyone else also ended up with too much Medit area? Kind regards
@SotraEngine4
@SotraEngine4 Месяц назад
Whoop Temperate climates As one from Western Norway, I feel quite familiar with experiencing it
@Lilas.Duveteux
@Lilas.Duveteux Месяц назад
Now, with these in minds, with Cretak as more of a fantasy rather than spec bio world, this configuration of temperate climates would give: The Picard North word peninsula creating a sea, would probably be a good place for to place a merpeople civilisation. The part covered in part tundra, part Cfb climate, would probably give rise to sea-farring colonial societies on land. Since the land configuration has me thinking of the Little Mermaid by Andersen, I would there place a kingdom. With the desert populations, they'd trade for spices, cotton, eggbead shells and slaves, while locally producing many types of felt. They would locally produce milkweed, also for textile purposes, trading part of it to the tundra inhabitants. Tubers would play a major part of their diet, especially with altitude gain, serving as the staple. Salt and fresh water species of fish, bivalves and molusks would be the main proteine of their diet. They steam or lactic acid ferment the majority of their food. Their clothing fashion is mainly composed of light weight muslins and some satin-woven ribbons, in whites and champagne colors for the upper classes, and browns for commoners. On Western Erzi, the temperate wet climate would extent far and wide, with a medditerean climate in the south. This would encourage a very wide variety of crops: wheat, buckwheat, rye, barley and oats. In coastal regions, oats, buckwheat and barley are the staple grain, while rye is more consummed in the colder regions. The medditerean climate would have more wheat, olives, figs and grapes, while the North would know more oats and apples. The coastal regions tend to eat more fish and meat, while the in-landers tend to consume more fruits, nuts and honey. The mediterean climate region would be large consummers of wheat and millet. It would also have an elven population, living off fungiculture as obligate mesofungivores, with several cultures forming. The ones of the most caves would live off of layer mushrooms as a food staple, forming the "Dark Elf" culture, that would also be the only silk weavers of the continent, with spider domestication. The ones in the wood land would seperate into the beech tree culture, the birch tree culture and the pine tree culture. Both the beech tree and the birch tree cultures would share oyster mushrooms as their staple crop, but the pine tree culture has boletus mushrooms as a dietary staple. A wide variety of other mushrooms would complete their diet, as well as a variety of fruits and flowers. Honey would also be their luxury of choice. All these regions would have good textile production in the form of linen, wool, thristle and nettle cloth (nettle cloth most popular in elven populations)The southern part, the Peninsula, dominated by a humid subtropical climate, would again, be inhabited by the same peoples as the rainforests further North, and would have a diet mostly of rice and tubers, as well as many spices thanks to traders from the tropics, plus locally grown ones. They would also be large fruit producers, a product they would trade with other cultures. What they would lack in silk production, they'd make up in cotton, developping it's own variety, very white and fluffy, while also actively growing the green cotton with longer fibers. The tropical explorers would probably move further North, expending riziculture further into the subtropical climates. However, very east of Erzi would form cultures of tubers, beans, squash and maize and fungiculture, as well as edible algea, would form the basis of their diet, with rice becoming the occasional treat. Pine would be a very important part of their cuisine, similar to how olive oil dominates Mediteranean cuisines. Pine nuts and needles would be turned into a wide variety of goods: oil, nut butter, eaten as is, pine needle beer and pine nut "milk". Many species of squash and lobster mushrooms would be grown, as well as plenty of sea foods. These cultures would mostly be known for their wood work, but would have elaborate macrome made out of hempt. Jannar, in which temperate climates would be the most expensive, would have also many insular cultures. Millet would be the main food consummed on the islands, because of the dry summers, while the wetter inlanders would be cultures of rice eaters. With Cwa climates being this extensive...Rice definitly would be their thing. On the islands, fish and sea food would complete the diet in the form of kelp, wakame, fish, krill, oysters and more. With dry conditions and limited space, peas and soy of many kind would be a food just as important as millet, if not more. Pounding and steaming in closed spaces would be the primary methods of cooking, producing soft breads accompaning soups or other single-pot meals. Mixture of millet with local varients of brassica would be the daily meal, often flavored with garlic, citrus and herbs, eaten with a side of pea-bread. The inlanders would be great producers of cotton and silk, both by silk worms and by spiders. The savannah splitng the tropics and these temperate lands would encourage another variety of cotton and hemp to be cultivated, producing beige cloth in it's raw form. It's shallow, ancient sea would also have a merpeople community, albeight quite different from the one in Picard that's known to use icebergs as a surface for play or transportation. Eastern edge of Picard, would probably form a group of hunter-gatherers, with some limited bird farming.
@mvalthegamer2450
@mvalthegamer2450 Месяц назад
Tbh, Jannar, with it's massive Cwa and Aw expanse is eerily similar to South Asia
@sigh8522
@sigh8522 Месяц назад
1: It might be a little late for this, but when I'm making maps I separate the temperature isotherms into their own individual layers (so 0-6 would get it's own layer, and 6-12 would have it's own layer, and so on for all the isotherms). that way you can use the same layer selection trick that you showed in this video to quickly select the exact temperatures you want and makes sure you don't forget any small areas. 2: One critique that I have is that Cwa climates seem far too widely spread. On earth Cw climates are uncommon outside areas that experience monsoons. Cf climates seem to be the default unless there's a specific mechanism at play (monsoons or mountains cutting off rainfall in the winter). this might be a result of you only having three stops on the precipitation map. Cf climates can have a noticeable decrease in rain during the winter, they might get just barely enough rain to avoid being arid in the winter.
@renealbrechtsen9743
@renealbrechtsen9743 Месяц назад
At some point in the series, are you going to show us how to illustrate a single continent/region/etc ? Similar to what they do in atlases.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
He did a big long fantasy map series a few years ago.
@Premo-412
@Premo-412 Месяц назад
Yooooooo pog!!!
@spacetextadventure5619
@spacetextadventure5619 Месяц назад
im hype
@Auroral_Anomaly
@Auroral_Anomaly Месяц назад
WE DOING HYPEROCEANIC WITH THIS ONE!🗣️🔥💯
@viciousrodent
@viciousrodent Месяц назад
... Try a dfb climate. All the fun of an endless wet season, plus the fun of dramtic temperature fluctuations and routine sub-0°C temperatures for most of the winter. :p
@Mercure250
@Mercure250 Месяц назад
As a Dfb inhabitant who likes the cold and snow, and absolutely hates humid heat, winters here are wonderful for me, but summers are hell.
@viciousrodent
@viciousrodent Месяц назад
@@Mercure250 Yeah, same honestly, I can do sub-0° temps just fine, but, 32-35° with 80% humidity days make it hard to do damn near anything.
@MarcoAntonio-hw7si
@MarcoAntonio-hw7si Месяц назад
​​@@viciousrodentDxa, is worse than Dxb in my opinion, especially the dry winters and humid summers types
@yipperson2974
@yipperson2974 Месяц назад
I gasped out loud at the arid climate video, and then i gasped out loud AGAIN at this one
@NewMarioFanYT
@NewMarioFanYT Месяц назад
Hey Artifexian, can you do more videos about worldbuilding tutorials after you finish this?
@Orthosaur7532
@Orthosaur7532 Месяц назад
I AM EARLY!!! Also downloading the WorldSmith didn't work today, should I try again and then ask for help?
@axolirvin971
@axolirvin971 Месяц назад
I just tried it and it seemed to work for me, so maybe try again?
@jamesgriffith5582
@jamesgriffith5582 Месяц назад
Sidenote: After a bunch of time trying to look in close, figure out which climate is where using the key on the right (something quite hard, given the fidelity and similarly of the different temperate zones), what could be useful at the end is just a bunch of breakdown maps, only showing the different areas of one climate zone... Or going by rows (Af, Bwh, Csa, Cwa, Cfa etc.) or sets (So maybe one for all the tropicals, all the arids, all meds, etc...), just so it's much clearer/ easier to work out what a certain small bit of land is, etc. Especially given how the Cw's, Cf's and Csb are all very similar in colour.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian Месяц назад
That'll be a nice way to wrap up the next video seeing as it's the last in the climate series.
@ArcticTron
@ArcticTron Месяц назад
Not going to lie Edgar, as someone who lives in a Humid Continental climate (I think Dfa or heck given climate change probably turning into a Cfa Humid Subtropical climate) where the last couple of days have reached 90+ degrees Fahrenheit at like 11:30 AM and the sun and humidity are teaming up to affirm my dislike of sunny days, where you live right now don't sound half bad to me at times.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
Not going to lie ArcticTron, you are absolutely completely and utterly correct there. Dfa and cold winter Cfa climates really get the worst of everything.
@CaptainSeaDog_
@CaptainSeaDog_ Месяц назад
Yeah I don’t understand his hate for Cfb. I’ve lived in both Cfb and Cfa… I’ll take the former over the latter any day. I’m currently back in a Cfa climate though at least I’m no longer in a wetland like I was before. Hills and mountains really make the heat bearable imo
@tdwinnerfordinner
@tdwinnerfordinner Месяц назад
I live in a Csa climate area. And I can attest to nice, beautiful summer days, when it's not a heatwave. That being said, didn't you say in an older video that Csx zones are 'Cradle of Civilisation' territory or something?
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
Yes he did. And they (along with hot dry zones near major rivers) are.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian Месяц назад
Yeah, they can be. The idea is that plants tend to be quite hardy in mediterranean zones and so, if domesticable, they take well to being stored.
@rossbaygeo
@rossbaygeo Месяц назад
There is a decent amount of bias here because the cultures of the Mediterranean world and West Asia were very influential for contemporary European and settler societies, but complex cultures have emerged in every climate zone except for E.
@velvet3784
@velvet3784 23 дня назад
It is not always nice and beautiful, considering it is actually smarter not to go outside during midday anyway, unless you really have to
@bestsynth4102
@bestsynth4102 Месяц назад
As a Mediterranean climate dweller - this place is perfect, save for the incessant suburban hellscape :P
@CaptainSeaDog_
@CaptainSeaDog_ Месяц назад
California?
@Artifexian
@Artifexian Месяц назад
Gonna go out on a limb and say California, right?
@bestsynth4102
@bestsynth4102 Месяц назад
@@CaptainSeaDog_ (un)fortunately
@bestsynth4102
@bestsynth4102 Месяц назад
@@Artifexian correct - AFAIK the only Mediterranean climate zone with this specific problem (NIMBYs) Edit: also HOLY SHIT HI ARTIFEXIAN I love your videos!! Edit edit: (it’s just I get stuck after a couple hundred million years on GPlates because it’s pretty dense and I’m denser XP)
@JustNierninwa
@JustNierninwa Месяц назад
Shouldn't there be a thing Cfa transition zone between that Csa and Cwa? It seems to happen in northern Pakistan, in South Africa, though arguably not on the west coast of both North and South America but the Andes and Sierra Madre play weird tricks on climate I guess? Instinctively it feels like switching from summer dry to winter dry is not possible (also I think I'd struggled with that for continental climates in the past). (Also, hello from a nice and warm Csa climate - though we've been getting plenty of rain lately, it's good for my plants, but you know, otherwise it's a dry heat. I do like it better than when I was living in Scotland ngl. Granted as I've read many times and can confirm: the wettest season in most of the Mediterranean is actually spring and autumn, blame the storms).
@aileenmarzanna
@aileenmarzanna Месяц назад
What is wrong with Cfb climates? I live in one, albeit on the border between oceanic and subcontinental, but I quite like my climate...
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
The main issue with Cfb climates is that you can't plan any outdoor activities like a barbecue in advance without there being a very real chance that it gets completely ruined on little to no notice. Also, any time it's sunny, beaches and parks are mobbed to the point that they're inaccessible, because people have no idea when the sun will come again.
@CaptainSeaDog_
@CaptainSeaDog_ Месяц назад
I moved to one a few years ago and it clears Cfa out of the water. A lot of the folks who lived in Cfb have never experienced the horrors of Cfa
@aileenmarzanna
@aileenmarzanna Месяц назад
@@CaptainSeaDog_ My ex is from Tallahassee in Florida, and that climate is simply uninhabitable for 7 or 8 months out of the year. My unwillingness to move to Florida from the Baltic coast was probably one of the reasons it didn't work out at all.
@CaptainSeaDog_
@CaptainSeaDog_ Месяц назад
@@aileenmarzanna Ha! I used to live in Florida. Born and raised. As a kid I always saw northern people folk down here and never understood the appeal. I moved out two years ago to the PNW and now I’m in North Carolina. But yeah Florida is the worst man lol
@AlexandHuman
@AlexandHuman Месяц назад
I wonder if this series could be used for game development
@blackshard641
@blackshard641 Месяц назад
Finally! The boring climates!
@ron2092
@ron2092 Месяц назад
I live in a Mediterranean climate in currently 36C at day time and that's the low of the past 2 weeks its horrible
@SgtPineBox
@SgtPineBox Месяц назад
the mediterranean climate im in is a bit cooler but still can get pretty hot (i cannot say what the temperature is because the unit im using is imperial)
@lohitakshshivaram5301
@lohitakshshivaram5301 Месяц назад
Hey artifexian(edgar), in your world will there be countries or not?
@whiptongue7268
@whiptongue7268 9 дней назад
To be fair, I don't think Cfb climates are that bad, coming from someone who lives in one (Scotland). The rain gives rise to temperate rainforests like the one in ghe picture you showed at 1:51 and boggy areas like peatlands. Overall, I think you could have some cool speculative biology in those areas. Grat video though!
@morgan0
@morgan0 Месяц назад
something that i've wondered, is does the koppen system make any distinction between amount of total rain, like surely getting absolutely drenched in the summer is different from some but not a lot of rain, right? i have two nearby areas in my world, neither gets tons of rain, but one gets it in the summer and one gets it in the winter. but it's right next to a desert, it's not getting that much rain. so i made a reverse mediterranean which is dry winter not dry not very wet summers, but i still gotta figure out the specifics of how it works, so any input is much appreciated.
@morgan0
@morgan0 Месяц назад
listening back, yeah it's just when is it getting rain, not how much
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
Yes. The threshold for Xwx climates is that the wettest month between April and September is ten times as wet as the driest month between October and March.
@morgan0
@morgan0 Месяц назад
@@yoironfistbro8128 ah good to know. i don’t know what the scale of wetness that i have is but i don’t intend for it to meet that
@jigsawpieces5416
@jigsawpieces5416 Месяц назад
Actually its also really rainy where I live. Even now in June, almost July it just keeps on raining....
@7Tacit
@7Tacit Месяц назад
But Edgar! It seems really strange to me that you'd have a different climate right across from a (comparatively) narrow strait, like in the northwest there with that east-west strait. Do the rains really all go north in summer?
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
The polar front that brings rain to mid laltitudes does indeed move further north in the summer. There's also more convection further inland during the summer. For the record, I think the northern shore of that strait should be Mediterranean too, depending on the latitude
@StevenJosephLee
@StevenJosephLee Месяц назад
How far inland does an oceanic zone extend?
@Artifexian
@Artifexian Месяц назад
That is covered in my continentality video, which is linked in a card.
@nature337
@nature337 Месяц назад
Are there any possible koppen climates that do not exist on Earth, or have we lost any to climate change? CFB is my favorite because they can produce breathtaking forests and I enjoy hiking the most when its 16C and misting. The cedar/hemlock groves of Cascadia are my favorites especially, but I haven't found a place that grows hemlock trees that I really dislike.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
Every zone exists, but there could well be ways to make rare zones like As, Cxc, and Dsx, much more common than in our world. Cascadia is mostly Csb, not Cfb. The Cfb zone I "live" in is empty fields as far as the eye can see.
@nature337
@nature337 Месяц назад
@@yoironfistbro8128 Forks WA is CFB, but both are cool
@Artifexian
@Artifexian Месяц назад
Exoplanets will almost certainly have climate zones that aren't in the Köppen system. I don't know whether or not the Earth has lost any climate zones types.
@davilimalol4612
@davilimalol4612 Месяц назад
The Köppen Climate classification was made with modern Earth in mind so I think that question is kinda a yes by default. But you could see exotic, unusual climates in a setting more like the Ice Age or Carboniferous Earth. In a world much warmer that ours, you could indeed imagine a highly continental C_A zone where you have 0-5°C winters and dangerous 40+°C summers, something our world might see for real unless net zero emissions happens within a generation. In a world with even modestly high eccentricity, you might have worldwide orbital seasons which might combine or not with axial tilt seasons. You could also see different air density or spin speed affecting the temperature swings of the day or how many Hadley cells there are, or dense rings shading and cooling large chunks of the planet. Figuring out how this stuff works out is probably extremely hard and speculative though, even figuring out why the Earth's precession made the Sahara a Savanna when the ice age ended is still something I think climatologists haven't really finished yet.
@MarcoAntonio-hw7si
@MarcoAntonio-hw7si Месяц назад
​​​@@davilimalol4612"imagine a place with an highly continental C_A, with 0-5 C° winters and 40+C° summers...". So, central China? What you described sounds like a Wuhan-ish climate. It also sounds like central US, like a Kansas City climate
@30IYouTube
@30IYouTube Месяц назад
For me, I don't have to do this or continental climates. If it wasn't clear from that, I'm dealing with a PETM-type world where the idea of the temperate zone doesn't exist.
@gamingguruoz
@gamingguruoz Месяц назад
pioneer space simulatin (open source) always needs coders and the like to help develop it
@cro92_zg50
@cro92_zg50 28 дней назад
Do you have other planets?
@lock_ray
@lock_ray Месяц назад
How applicable is all of this if the planet has really low axial tilt?
@Artifexian
@Artifexian Месяц назад
It will hold for planets between about 20-25º tilt? Below that, it could work but proceed at your own peril
@daniel_rossy_explica
@daniel_rossy_explica Месяц назад
Wait. I live in Buenos Aires, witch is marked as oceanic climate and we don't have constant rain as you do in Ireland. I think that your area is subject to constant rain because you are too close to the ocean. Where I live, going to the ocean is a trip that takes several hours. Tipically, a vacation.
@eustress7428
@eustress7428 Месяц назад
I think that's because Argentina is the rare occasion where the oceanic climate happens in the east cost. The Cfb there would be a bit closer to "Cfa but less summer" I also live in the eastern tip of the continent, and (though it is technically between Cwa and Dwa) the "rainy season" usually feels less "constant rain" and more "occasional water bomb + usually wet and muggy but somehow also sunny"
@daniel_rossy_explica
@daniel_rossy_explica Месяц назад
@@eustress7428 I wrote the comment before he mentioned the east cost exception.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
We don't necessarily have content rain all the time in Ireland either, it's just that the threat is always there.
@daniel_rossy_explica
@daniel_rossy_explica Месяц назад
@@yoironfistbro8128 "It's always raining here in Ireland it never ever stops" is what Edgard said in one of his climate videos.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
@@daniel_rossy_explica Hyperbole is a beautiful thing. It never REALLY stops. We get a few dry days every do often, but then it comes again for a while.
@Yusuketh443
@Yusuketh443 Месяц назад
hi :3 UwU
@Moses_Caesar_Augustus
@Moses_Caesar_Augustus Месяц назад
As someone who lives in a BWh climate, I NEED rain in my life.
@Artifexian
@Artifexian Месяц назад
Please take some of ours
@imlemonth
@imlemonth Месяц назад
rain is nice, wdym (I live in BWh)
@zoltanjambrik4028
@zoltanjambrik4028 Месяц назад
Greetings. I recently went through most of your worldbuilder's log for the second time. I like them,I understand them,just...Those colors...ugghh. It's really hard for me to make most of the info out of them. No offense for you or your videos,they are super helpful and good.Just the colors...
@Artifexian
@Artifexian Месяц назад
I hear you. For the record, I didn't choose them. They are the canonical Köppen climate colours.
@BourgoiDino52
@BourgoiDino52 Месяц назад
Any fellow Am dwellers in the House?!
@excelvalentino6972
@excelvalentino6972 Месяц назад
kinda, im Af dweller so we are neighbors
@MarcoAntonio-hw7si
@MarcoAntonio-hw7si Месяц назад
Kinda of, my city has an Aw climate that borders an Am one
@yuvalorp
@yuvalorp Месяц назад
Mediterranean climate is not fun it is literally 6 months of stupid hot and humid summer until you don't want to fill heat ever again in your life
@LandgraabIV
@LandgraabIV Месяц назад
You think the Mediterranean summer is humid? Try summer the Southern US, Southern China/Japan or South Brazil/Northeastern Argentina/Uruguay. You'll feel like you're drowning.
@eustress7428
@eustress7428 Месяц назад
*laughs and dies inside in Cwa*
@excelvalentino6972
@excelvalentino6972 Месяц назад
​@@LandgraabIV try Af climate, 30+ C almost every day yet still very humid
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
​@@LandgraabIV Tbf some coastal Mediterranean climates, like Malta, can be just as muggy in the summer as east coast climates, and they have the added bonus of relentless sunshine with no showers and thunderstorms to provide relief.
@yoironfistbro8128
@yoironfistbro8128 Месяц назад
​@@excelvalentino6972Some Mediterranean climates are like that for half the year AND they get no break from the sun like equatorial climates do.
@lohitakshshivaram5301
@lohitakshshivaram5301 Месяц назад
Hey guys,(artifexian can also answer) which type of world can i do? (I am confused about which i should do) (Meaning i cannot decide which i should do) One which has 7 continents or one which has supercontinent? (By the way, first option i am doing like earth (meaning is this:- a person sees a map of my world and sees the continents are like jigsaw puzzle and after assembling(?) the continents that person sees a super continent and there are evidence that continents on my world were one super continent) (just like earth) Advantages of doing 7 continents:- 1) i can get one continent which is covered which A and B climates 2) i can get 250 million years of history if i use 7 continents Disadvantages:- 1) if i use 7 continents, it may be complex 2) this method will be slow Advantages of using one sup continent:- 1) if i use this, then it will be different from earth 2) this method will be fast Disadvantages:- 1) i wont get 250 million years of history 2) i will get all climate zones in my super continent(not just few climates
@lohitakshshivaram5301
@lohitakshshivaram5301 Месяц назад
First To dislike my own comment and reply
@mrcat5508
@mrcat5508 Месяц назад
He has quite the temper in this video
@KaesoARhombil
@KaesoARhombil Месяц назад
Bravo. Good one.
@Lilas.Duveteux
@Lilas.Duveteux Месяц назад
For worldbuilders that want pre-industrial tech levels for their world, your Cfa climates can only host advanced civilisations as macro climates with riziculture. It doesn't mean rice should be their food staple, but it should be at least one of the staple crops amongst maybe two others. As microclimates in pre-industrial agricultural society, they tend to be death traps. Death traps with a lot of food, as well as plenty of stuff one can make textiles out of. This abundance of ressources gather enough people to run the group before their untimely death. In pre-industrial societies, high money, good access to food and high social status didn't always equal healthier children, mostly because of social factors such as breast feeding by the mother vs breastfeeding by a nursemaid, traditional attitudes of parents and so forth. It has been debunked several times by the majority of historians.
@rossbaygeo
@rossbaygeo Месяц назад
I don't believe these assertions are supported in research. We shouldn't generalize particularities about cultures that had specific contexts in certain periods of history, or mistake contingent developments over time with inevitable ones determined by the environment.
@Lilas.Duveteux
@Lilas.Duveteux Месяц назад
@@rossbaygeo There's one study about some Missisippi Amerindian population being civilised, yet very sickly. So it's possible, but the populations won't be healthy nor independant.
@rossbaygeo
@rossbaygeo Месяц назад
​@@Lilas.Duveteux Within the sciences, one study does not make a consensus. It is also important to keep in mind that prior to very recent developments in hygiene, diet, and allopathic medicine that sedentary peoples globally, especially the lower classes and those urban or dense societies, were commonly malnourished and inflicted with a variety of diseases regardless of their climate.
@Lilas.Duveteux
@Lilas.Duveteux Месяц назад
@@rossbaygeo I am aware of that, but...Some climates were worst than others for diseases, such as some micro-climactic regions being entirely dependent on immigration to stay humanly populated, because despite enourmous fertility due to having plenty of food, the mortality was just this high. This is the level of "not suitable for human habitation" I'm talking about.
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