@@shadhansen739Jesus, two of them died of cancer in their late 40s & early 50s. The other of an OD of heroin at 50. They made a living, that's it. Born working class, die young.
@@paulvanreesch2493 Along those lines, you might want to give Jim Jarmusch's doc on the Stooges a miss - if you haven't seen it already. For the same reason. Great film - don't get me wrong. But it's REALLY disheartening to hear a two hour gushing tribute to the profound influence that these guys had on the decades that followed - knowing that Ron and Scott Asheton both died in precisely the same modest Ann Arbor environs in which they grew up. All that posthumous glory rings a little hollow.
@@chriscoughlin9289 Too late, saw it when it premiered at a theater in Detroit (live in the metro Detroit region). I was disappointed in the Jarmusch Stooges, thought it was phoned in. &, yes, y're right, both Ashestons died too young.
Miserable too - if the only place that I was allowed to see a guy like Ry Cooder or Richard Thompson was a basketball arena. But somehow I'll find a way to swallow the bitter pill of their commercial 'failure'
The Ramones were far from posh; Johnny was a pipefitter apprentice. At their peak in 77-78 their live show was like AC-DC on speed and Johnny had a huge guitar sound very akin to that of Leslie West. Tommy's drumming had a sense of swing and Marky was very powerful and precise. Before REO succumbed to sloppy ballads they were a very good live act, tight, hard rocking and powerful and Gary Richrath was a very good guitarist.
@@vordman I mean, Chicago has never been a bad band, but the material turned to dogshit. That's the sad part, they could probably still melt faces if they wanted.
The way people, including myself in the past, use the phrase "sense of swing" is kinda weird, given 'swing' actually does mean something very specific in music. But usually people don't mean that. They mean a sense of groove via dynamics..... unless the Ramones actually have music with real swing. I won't pretend to be super familiar with their catalog, but what I have heard sounded like pretty standard on-the-grid 4/4 stuff, sans any hint of real swing.
FYI in UK middle class means upper class (in USA standards), I learned that the hard way when I moved to UK. . ie: Lower middle class UK= Upper middle class USA. Workings class UK= lower middle class USA Because the royalty are considered the upper class in UK, the next richest people in UK are called middle class (aka Upper class in USA). Confusing right?!?!?!
I recently went through an awkward period where my shower wasn't working quite right. Before I got around to getting it fixed properly, I repeatedly tried standing there, naked and expectant beneath the head, as an incredibly fine, insubstantial spray breezed over my tilted silhouette. I would then exit the cubicle feeling like I'd been kissed by a warm but moist breeze, strangely unfulfilled and too quickly dry. It reminded me of listening to The Lighthouse Family.
REO Speedwagon is my guiltiest of guilty rock pleasures. I absolutely LOVE Gary Richrath’s lead guitar on Roll With the Changes. Isn’t rock supposed to be fun, anyway ? Give me REO over, say, Coldplay, ANY day.
@@mccallosone4903 You guys have chosen wisely. I think Andrew would truly love the album title, "You Can Tune a Piano, but You Can't Tuna Fish". Very punny indeed. It did have "Roll with the Changes" and the 3rd best REO song, "Time for Me to Fly" (both of these were written by Kevin Cronin). "Ridin' the Storm Out" was Richrath penned and his solos jammed on all 3 of them.
@@DavePaint Agree. Some school friends went to see them round about the time of Destroyer. They raved about the gig, so eventually I borrowed the album. I was impressed with the album cover, but the music was nothing. By-the-numbers boring hard rock. It was purely their image and the stage show that sold the albums.
No chance lol, many worse bands than kiss, but i agree ramones shouldn't be here. Many far worse than kiss, who had plenty of good albums in the early 70s and solid live records. Bands like Bon Jovi, Stryper, Motley Crue, Poison, Europe, Journey belong there far more than Kiss, who aside from the absolute rage from the older generations towards them likely due to gene simmons being a right shithead, made some solid bloody tunes and did alot for live gigs and stage productions.
Entertaining as always. You are spot on about Reo Speedwagon, The Foo Fighters, Simply Red. I hate blandness too. Coldplay should have been on there along with U2.
Bunch of channels who figured out or got told there's a form of algorithm-friendly whining one trick ponyism, extremely tawdry and obnoxious. Yawn. At least there are functions for blocking them from getting recommended.
Nope - not even those guys would've said that. They would've directed you to the opening chords of 'You Really Got Me' Even Townshend - who is CONSTANTLY credited as granddaddy - freely admits that he copped the riff from 'Can't Explain' from it.
The Ramones' influences were basically all pre-hippie. Like the New York Dolls, they sounded a lot closer to the Kingsmen (or a rocked-up Herman's Hermits) than to the Stooges. You never heard the Ramones do a ten-minute dirge like We Will Fall on the first Stooges album.
@@IanmackableThat has as much to do with how the Ramones very cannily packaged themselves as it does with their obvious love of a pre - sandbox Brian Wilson. Those guys went to catch the Dolls during their historic stand at the ill fated Mercer Arts, and they would later remark repeatedly in interviews over the years that they were struck by the theater of it all. Staying in character - and always delivering the goods within a certain set of parameters - became a HUGE key to the enduring appeal of the Ramones. It seems obvious enough to me - having caught them live virtually every chance I got from 1977 onward. But not everybody gives them credit for that relentless discipline It would be absurd to suggest that anybody ever even got the chance to pigeonhole the Stooges in the same fashion. It just wasn't even on the table.
Dave Grohl = "the Max Bygraves of rock", Mick Hucknall = "a putrified scotch egg" - haha! Ironically, the drum intro to "Money For Nothing" was the only drumming on Brothers In Arms that the great Omar Hakim DIDN'T do - it was played by Terry Williams who rejoined the band for the subsequent tour. I appreciated how pertinent your preamble was in these troubled times Andy. Good on you.
I think OK played on Stings Bring On The Night Live vid? I just remember seeing some of the drumming! Sting comments:’You were on fire tonight!’ (sic.) Don’t know if he was p***ed off or not!:)
Music that will survive 100 years +??? Certainly NOT Taylor Swift!! Add Coldplay, Adele, Stormzy, Pink, Dua Lipa, Ariana Grande and Ed Sheeran to that too!! God, today's successful popular music is a million times worse than every band you've just mentioned!!
@@user-qb1sm3rk9r Excellent point by the way!! I take it you mean that, as we're closer to WW3 than we've ever been, the globe might be mere dust in space before the year 2124?? That said, being as I'm 23 now, I certainly don't expect to be here in a 100 years time, so I won't be around to squabble!! But I'm guessing The Beatles, The Stones, Floyd, Genesis, The Doors, Steely Dan and Supertramp will still be getting played by the people who were brought up to have great musical taste, like I've been!! Thanks for taking the time to message, much appreciated!! Peace!! x
@@turntablesrockmyworld9315 You're entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine!! You think she's talented and that's your prerogative, However, I honestly believe most lovers of serious music like myself would vehemently disagree!! Let's park it there!!
They can't stand each other. Good songs but feels like a 'project'. Don't get me wrong I totally love Hall and Oates. Perfect pop rock. Hard enough for the guys, smooth enough for the gals.
I worked a bar with that REO song on the jukebox and iot used it skip on the line “I don’t wanna sleep- i dont wanna sleep- i dont wanna sleep…” and the only way to stop it was to unplug the machine.
Pet Shop Boys, yuppies? Weren't they very left wing? The line 'Che Guavara and Debussy to a disco beat...' And didn't they play live in Trafalgar Square as they projected a Soviet, Socialist Realist movie by Eisenstein?!
I agree with every one of his choices on that list! I'd forgotten (thankfully) all about the truly insipid Lighthouse Family and dreadful Reo Speedwagon. Pleased to see him call out the enormously overrated Ramones. Cool image and band name but not the songs to back it up.
@@Les537 Very droll 😂 Dad ( Grandad ) Rock rools forever ! God we were bloody spoiled in the 70s . Though every generatiion will think the music they grew up with ( 13 - 19 ) is the greatest of all hyperbolic time . Except the current one . There is no way at 17 that I wanted to listen to music from the forties . But I regularly read in the comments , current teenagers ( Z ? ) saying /moaning that they werent growing up im 60s / 70s finding the hegemony of Ed Sheerbore , and the underpowered ( jaded) whispering from Drake . Swift is obviously a stellar phonomenen and kind of ok I suppose but nothing thats sounds life or death stuff ( Hendrix or Beatles Nirvana Sly Stone ) but then I would say that I will be 98 in September of this year . P.S. Lana Del Ray rools !
@@jonunderscore I love finding new bands to hate even more than finding new stuff to love. I've recently got into hating reggaeton, Blues Traveler and The Dave Matthews Band. Not being American I'd never heard owt by the latter two till last monday. Andy would love these two.
The factor that makes the music of the Ramones interesting was Joey, a gawky, autistic guy that figured out a way to turn all the qualities that got him beaten up at age 12 into something cool. And it was very, very cool.
Except that they weren't REMOTELY the first. Ask anybody like me - who's old enough to remember the Stooges getting spit on at almost every gig they played during their 'Raw Power' tour in 1973.
I like the Ramones. The first few albums sound like a souped up version of those sixties Girls Groups, but with lyrics about pinheads, dysfunctional families and shock treatment instead of The Clapping Song. They're more Rock and Roll than Rock. They seem like pre-Beatles and Dylan pop songs recast for a less positive era.
@@fernandodeleon7466Milli Vanilli was never a band. Both them (the actual people that made the music) and Wham had some of the greatest pop songs ever written. Completely don't agree.
@@klapsigaarenbasgitaar1931 well ... Wham was never a band either : Michael did everything. That's why he left.As for the songs ... mm ... too gay for me, and musically not that good. 'Wake me up ...' should never be recorded, it's a shame
Dire Straits ? REALLY ??? I heard their first album for the first time on a NYC FM station when it was first released as I was driving home from work. When I got home I said to my then gf 'Give me $10., which she did while asking 'Why, whats up ?". I replied 'You'll understand shortly, I'm heading to the record store, be back in a few'. What a great album that was !
Live Forever by Oasis is a fantastic song! Champagne Supernova. Cigarettes and Alcohol. Whatever You Want. All good songs imho. They went rapidly downhill quite quickly though and imho Wonderwall is one of the most overrated songs of all-time! Almost as big a dirge as our awful national anthem.
I saw Linkin Park at a festival by happenstance, and they were actually a good live band. Their records are just so overproduced that they are colorless and odorless.
Don't judge REO Speedwagon by their 80's stuff, just like its unfair to judge Yes or Genesis by their 80's crap. Listen to the live version of "Ridin' the Storm Out" and "Roll With the Changes" ...or watch the video. Gary Richrath was a great guitar player.
Truth! Saw them in 79 in Houston and they kicked ass. Thank god for Rockpalast who preserved that tour on film. REO at their peak. The 80s ballad fad killed many a band. I blame Dennis de Young for that😊
REO Speedwagon is underrated as a band. I think their 80's stuff is just fine. Hi Infidelity was a good album. Unlike Andy, I harbor no hatred towards them.
On 30 May 1988 I saw the Creatures (Siouxsie and Budgie) play their first comeback gig at the Garage at Highbury Corner. Afterwards, I got on the tube, and the carriage was full of people who had either been at the Creatures, or had been at Wembley Arena to see the Shitehouse Family. Those who had seen the Creatures all looked hot and sweaty, and all had huge smiles on their faces. Those who had seen the Shitehouse Family all looked bored shitless!
It's my favourite for sure.... It has all the energy of the first two albums with better recording and better songwriting. It's sad to say because it was so early in their career but I think it was their peak. Road to Ruin feels like the start of the downturn.
Radiohead started off as a pretty standard rock band but they had a very Beatle-like transition and kept changing their sound and made some pretty great music.
I had a boss who once worked in a hotel where Marillion stayed whilst on tour. Somehow Fish (real name Derek Dick) managed somehow to annoy him. As a result he referred to Fish as Mr Dick, eg "Certainly Mr Dick", "What paper do you want in the morning Mr Dick. "
The only time I saw Marillion was at the Theakson Music Festival in 1982. They were one of the support bands to Jethro Tull. I found them so boring I fell asleep. When I woke up, the beer tent had closed so I may have been the only person who was there who didn't have a drink of beer. Wang Chung (or Huang Chung as they were then) were on the same bill. Their lead singers voice broke and their synths all broke down.
@johnelwen4435 haha, I remember all that! Were they the band who were playing along to a backing track, but their tape machine broke so they had to call it a day?
@@LCD72 It was the keyboards that packed in. The guitars and drums were still playing. They spent a short while trying to get them going again whilst playing on without them. Then cut the set short. My recollection of the late seventies and early eighties was that if bands used a backing tape, they were upfront about it. I remember gigs where the band had the tape machine on stage with them.
I received a laptop computer in 2008. I had never known computers. Hoo-boy. I discovered that I was a few decades behind. Now: There are YT channelers "of a certain age" whose computer moves I can actually follow. This is one of them.
Ramones played over 10,000 live performances. They packed their shit into a van and set it up and played without any "management" only some rocket fuel to get them through the nights. The sex pistols played heavily duct taped shows under the watchful eye of promoters for a very brief period, before the dissolved, bereft of any new creative material. You can call them bubble camp punk, or punk-lite, but the ramones cranked out alot of music, and kept clubs rocking for 3 decades. They are the embodiment of a rock band. I am biased because I am originally from NY and grew up 2 miles from rockaway beach. I agree about most of those other bands in the list.
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer The kkk took my baby away, A bit 2chordy and highly repetitive, but they kept writing and never proclaimed themselves Jesus or lady's men. You could relate with them because they spoke of the troubles nerds had picking up and retaining chicks. And oh yeah....drugs. NY was loaded with drugs. drugs on the beach, drugs in my shoe drugs in the house, drugs in the basement.... back then. Hanging out all by myself I don't want to be with anybody else I just want to be with you I just want to have something to do Tonight, tonight, tonight The key Andy is they kept writing and you could relate to it. Not my favorites, not as sophisticated as the police, but they are Americana and sometimes I just wanna be sedated.
Totally agree with your #1 Andy. I've lost count of how many people I've told of my hate for Lighthouse Family. However, I'd have Wet Wet Wet at #2 for the very same reason, insipid crap !
@@Les537 I liked that one too. The Fly. The dance remix of The Real Thing. A few others I quite like. Not one of my big favs by any means, but I have to give them for having big hits for so many years. Great consistency and drive to keep it together at the top for 20 + years.
Aw no, Pet Shop Boys are one of my favorite groups. I don't think you really get them and that's okay, they're not for everyone. But their lyrics are full of wry irony and wit. And Chris Lowe's arrangements are masterfully constructed, nuanced and magical. Chris' outward appearance of not doing anything and just being the "other guy" who looks bored, is intentional and part of their aloof image. Neil Tennant will admit he isn't the strongest vocalist, but there is something comforting about his even, soft tenor and it's a very distinctive sound. I also love their passion for their craft and I think their popularity over the years is beyond warranted. They are constantly dedicated to their art and have released 15 studio albums, still successful and still charting. While they always retain their PSB sound, all of their albums have a different vibe and theme to them. There are so many bands that formed in the 80s that can never recapture the sound and popularity of their early days, but Pet Shop Boys never had that issue. But if you're not a fan and don't know their whole discography, I can see why one might have a distaste for them. They may be one of those groups where you have to really love them to understand them. The rest of your list is spot on (I especially can't stand Coldplay), I kind of have to like the Ramones though because I'm from NY.
You need to listen to 'Telegraph Road' off the "Love Over Gold" album and the "Making Movies" album. Dire Straits did not make a bad album, and arrived during that era when a lot of the music business started to strip down the progressive dial in the studios with punk and electronica. Dire Straits had no category you could spin them into. They were not retro rock like The Stray Cats, nor glam/prog like Ultravox or Roxy Music, nor pop. They stood out because there was nobody like them, and the guitar playing and arrangements were always excellent with impeccable sound. You need to take a real listen. Thanks for the segment and humor.
When the first Ramones album came out in ‘76 it was a revelation. Saw them live several times late 70s/early 80s and they were visceral raw and incredibly exciting
can't agree about Marillion. they were fab during the Fish era and to me they were pretty much responsible for the re-birth of prog rock after being virtually killed off by Punk rock. they paved the way for other bands to follow such as Pendragon, Porcupine tree and hundreds more. i bought their CD's during the eighties which i regret now because i collect vinyls but having said that, the production of their CD's was superb. they descended into mediocrity once Fish left.
Unbelievably there's one I agree with on here but it's not PSB. I just think you might have missed the point with West End Girls specifically as a record let alone them because the whole thing that makes it timeless (but also redolent of it's time) is that it sums up a REALLY AWFUL time but does it in very engaging way - I would also point out the track King's Cross (a favourite of mine) and the film It Couldn't Happen Here - becauss they're all trying to get the same reaction, with a nod and a wink - basically you either get the message or you don't really. If you like the same influences as the duo (be it films music or whatever else) then you're probably more likely to get the emotional response and that's more down to places and cultures than any personal angst that's being flogged.
As well as being great Pop writers and Tennant brilliant lyrics, they’ve usually included a few experimental tracks on every album - The Sound Of The Atom Splitting, The Way Through The Woods etc. even releasing their own 10 minute ‘Pop Prog’ epic ‘Cricket Wife’…
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Funny thing is that I agree with you on many points and (how could it be else) totally disagree on others. But even on those point I enjoy the way you express your hatred a lot! Fun watch.
I've never heard of Max Bygreaves. But knowing that I never heard of him makes me want to find out who he is. Am I making a mistake? Update: I now have a song called Tulips From Amsterdam stuck in my head. I only have myself to blame.
I must say, in these sensitive times, this is a breath of fresh air. Not necessarily because it's another hate-lists on RU-vid but you articulate your bile beautifully. Probably doesn't hurt that I agree with you! You carry on, kid!
Only just found your channel Andy. Long time fan since your Frost days. Going for the one my favourite Yes Album and the feckin Lighthouse Family are my most hated band!!! A month before I caught my ex gf had been playing away I proved to her, by pausing and playing on a b repeat, that all of the lighthouse family tracks were in fact the same song in different keys. Fast forward a month. When I packed up all her things, the most joy was derived (amongst all the hurt of a breakup) from frisbeeing said Cd down the road after her, as she pulled away in a Luton Van awfully packed by me with the sound of plant pots and crockery smashing from the overhead compartment around her! Keep up the good work. No u2 or Simple Minds though?
Funny fact, I nearly ran over Mick Hucknall once, he was crossing the road, Shaftesbury Avenue in 1981 and I had to break hard not to hit him! I said to the young lady I was in the car with, "Look its Mick Hucknall" she said, "You nearly hit him!"
Everything was going well, but you had to ruin everything. Dire Straits?! No one is allowed to hate Dire Straits!! Even not liking is a serious crime, but hating, NEVER! PS - Put Queen in Dire Straits' place and the list will be perfect and I'll be able to give it a like.
Pet Shop Boys parodied yuppies rather than being an example of them, they were and are left-leaning artists (they even wrote a serious song about Soviet Socialism, My October Symphony!).
Being boring is such a genius song... For the rest I admire them for doing their own thing. Never had anything against them, but the music is a matter of taste of course.
I wasn't sure about the Pet Shop Boys at first, but they've done some absolute bangers, including tracks hidden away as b-sides and in the graveyard slot (second to last song on the album). People's perception of Neil T's lack of vocal talent I think stems from West End Girls and a handful of early talky tracks, but personally I think his singing voice is lovely. Emotionless it isn't. Alison Goldfrapp on the other hand... some periods of Pink Floyd on the other hand... Also alot of the issues around PSB seem to relate to image. That's the same reason I can't stand The Stones
Thank you! You mentioned a problem that no one talks about. The music industry is a closed system. You don't get in there unless you were born into these connected circles. Pink Floyd, Coldplay, Muse, Blur, Oasis, Maroon 5, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, ...,and they are just the big names. In other words you to have connections. Same goes with other areas of the arts.
