Tennis Serve Myth - All Types Of Serves From The Same Toss?

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One of the myths related to a tennis serve often comes up in my tennis lessons and online discussions and the myth says: "A good server can hit ANY TYPE of the serve from the same toss."
ANY TYPE of serve then includes a flat, slice and a topspin serve and presumably they can all be hit from the same toss so that the server is able to completely disguise their serve and hide their intentions.
The goal is today's video is to dispel that myth and show you that it's not the case.
We cannot disguise all 3 types of serve with one toss but we can disguise 2 of them...
This video is part 2 of the series of videos I recorded on the topic of reading and disguising the serve.
Part 1 was focused on how we read the serve ( • How To Read A Tennis S... ) and upcoming Part 3 next week will show you various examples of you can disguise your serve and even outsmart your opponent if they are able to read your serves well.
0:00 Intro
1:23 Where Is Topspin Serve Possible
4:39 Serves That We Want To Disguise
7:07 Two Ways We Can Disguise The Serve

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@perez8pepe Год назад

I usually don’t know what kind of serve I’m tossing, neither my opponent does, so that’s the best disguise 😂😂

@feeltennis Год назад

I had that same sentence recorded but cut it out eventually to make the video shorter. Yes. ;)

@prashantgupta7167 Год назад

I couldn't visualize ever how different toss position helps in different types of serves. Tend to hit the serve as per my toss, which is mostly all over the place. This video helps. Thanks Tomaz.

@kostya1975 Год назад

Always a fan. Great analysis.

@jerome_morrow Год назад

Many years ago. I read an article on the serve in Tennis Magazine written by Sampras himself. He had still photos to show his two tosses, one for kick and the other for flat and slice. It was obvious that the two tosses were in different positions. His own comment was that he used different toss locations for kick and flat/slice, and that his supposed “one toss for all serves” was most likely just hyperbole by fellow players and commentators. He also said that whilst he could kick it from a flat/slice toss location, he wouldn’t choose to do that since using a slightly further back toss provides far greater kick.

@nathanmiller6051 Год назад

Thanks Coach! 🙏 another amazing lesson! appreciate greatly

@anacap007 Год назад

I think you are conflating same toss with same contact point. The idea probably originated from the tennis community in learning about Federer's serve disguise by using the same toss. His toss is an arc that has the ball rising from left to right (as a righty). With that kind of ball toss trajectory he can hit the slice earlier in the trajectory while it is more to his right, or he can hit a flat where he is likely making contact at the toss trajectory apex, or he can hit a kick where the ball is now on its way down and more to his left. So same toss but different contact points in the toss to generate the desired serve. Most players will have different tosses for different contact points for different serves.

@feeltennis Год назад

Like I mentioned in another comment, the moment you have a different contact in space for a different type of serve, the serve can be read by opponent and is not disguised any more. The only disguise possible is to hit different serves from the same contact. By the way, the idea originated by tennis TV commentators describing Sampras' serve. Coaches and players just kept repeating the same myth without thinking with their own head. Most players have just 2 tosses: one for topspin serve and one from which they hit a flat and a slice serve which is the only thing we can disguise. I'll demonstrate that in the next video...

@jchan810 Год назад

@@feeltennis what's your opinion about having a toss that arcs and a toss that goes straight up? I heard it's just a matter of style. Typically I think the toss that arcs has the tossing arm parallel with the baseline. While the toss that goes straight up has tossing arm going 45 degrees toward the net.

@marlowe1969ify Год назад

Thanks coach... Like always the best

@bradfordsimms715 Год назад

This is very helpful and makes a complex subject simple to understand. Still hard to do but now we know the steps to success

@feeltennis Год назад

Thanks for the feedback! Stay tuned for part 3 next week where I will demonstrate how to disguise serves…

@roydaneman Год назад

This is awesome! Can you share some tips or drills for recreational players to better read opponents' serves, specifically flat or slice serves?

@tennis47 Год назад

Amazing video!

@twinwankel Год назад

You can hit a top-spin, slice and flat serve if you toss to 12 O'clock. You won't be able to kick it well unless you move your body under the ball to get the toss to 11:30. But I agree most pros cannot hit all serves with one toss. Some will not even try to disguise the toss at all. However, Fed can do this quite well.

@feeltennis Год назад

Obviously you cannot hit topspin serve at 12 o’clock, the racket has reached its peak, no more upward motion left.

@rayrozema5960 Год назад

Very interesting

@xg3069 Год назад

The engineer of tennis!

@coupedegrace1120 Год назад

Hi Tomaz, great video as always. I am still struggling with my toss, maybe because I don't have correct mental image of the toss placement. You strongly recommend to imagine putting the ball into a box in the air, but I don't think I fully understand where exactly the box should be. For example, if I want to do slice serve at the deuce side and I put my body facing the net post, should the box right above my left leg or slightly to the right? If you can elaborate more about this box or even make a video of it, I'll be forever grateful, thanks

@feeltennis Год назад

Hi, please check this video and then let me know if it answers your question: Tennis Serve Toss For Flat, Slice And Top Spin Serves ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZTg9gpMtAmw.html

@MiguelAcantaros Год назад

Very interesting video as usual. I think a “same toss” serve is still possible, though. Instead of pointing toward - lets' say - the net post, you keep your tossing arm parallel to the baseline. In this way, the ball flies from your right to your left thus reaching your three comfortable contact points. You *just* have to decide how early or late hitting the ball. Well, “just” is kind of an understatement, but... 🙂

@feeltennis Год назад

You can do that but as soon as you hit the ball at a different contact point your opponent can tell that and therefore the serve type is not disguised. The only disguise comes from hitting different serves from the same contact point.

@mikamikalson7393 Год назад

Great analysis. The popular story is that Sampras could hit all 3 serves from the same toss, but it seems obvious that he rarely hit kick (topspin) serves as even his second serve regularly registered above 110 MPH and often it was clocked above 120 MPH which is basically first serve level speed for the majority of pros. Also, I don't think it's possible to hit a kick serve anywhere near this fast....but I could be wrong. My own kick serve which is pretty darn good and by far my favorite one to hit probably only registers 70-80 MPH if I had to guess. What do you think?

@feeltennis Год назад

Yes, that's where the myth originated, with Sampras and not knowledgeable tennis TV commentators. As for speed of the kick / topspin serve - one can vary the amount of topspin (or slice) on the ball. I can probably hit 5 different speeds (that I choose!) of topspin serves. I can hit 90% flat / 10% spin OR 85% flat / 15% spin OR 80% flat / 20% spin and so on. So top pros have at least 10 levels to choose from. So when Sampras felt the increased speed was worth the risk, he applied very little spin on the ball in order not to waste power into spinning and was able to hit 100 MPH second serves. Obviously not high percentage but for example against Agassi who was much stronger from the baseline it was worth the risk. All big servers can do that, the older generation of Becker, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, etc. all varied the speed of second serves a lot.

@mikamikalson7393 Год назад

@@feeltennis Thanks for the detailed reply - totally agreed!