Terminator: Dark Fate reviewed by Mark Kermode 

This would make a good movie

or you could just watch the ones you enjoyed and not watch anymore problem solved? since other people still the new movies

@@sostekai it would be better to erase anything made after T2 from history. Just remove every reference on the internet and in real life, like physical stuff.

Long as its sequel is stopping the following predators

I'd pay to watch that- where character goes back in time and has a groundhog day explaining and stopping people from directing the remakes but fails consistently until the end- Hollywood - pay me now as this would definitely sell tickets.

They could make a fortune leasing that quote out to quite a lot of film posters to be honest.

Saddens me immensely to say he nailed it. Perfect review.

It was pretty good. If you dont expect a masterpiece you will enjoy the movie.

Bobson Dugnutt or "The best Terminator movie since T2. But that ain't saying much."

that also could be said for pretty much any movie ever made.

I like terminator salvation and rise of the machines (hate genesis) gave hope for a decent addition to the franchise, but no another craptasic movie

@@frankwest8149 Its faint praise but I preferd the 3rd and 4th films in comparison to the 5th and 6th. However, none of them really hit the heights of the first two movies.

The TV series did a lot of interesting things, the comics had a lot of excellent follow ups like Cybernetic Dawn/Nuclear Twilight and Terminator: Salvation had a shockingly good comic sequel called The Last Battle that tied together all of the movies that had been released up to then. So, actually they did a lot of good things post T2 even if they weren't films.

They could make a movie just set in the future and keep the time travelling stuff to the bare minimum, and make it good enough so that it doesn't need an 80 year Arnie sell at the box office. The T800's cool and scary enough on its own

The third movie is actually quite good, especially the ending with the birth of Skynet.

I was very happy with the first one. It stand on its own. I was very happy with the first matrix and the first star wars and the first indiana jones. I have accepted that this "franchises" suck and good films don't need a follow up.

Mandatory but I liked T3 or Salvation or the TV series comments. Sorry but OP is 100% correct

Imagine if every Alien sequel after the second one had to have some hackneyed reuse of "Game Over Man! Game Over!". That series could do with dying too, but it always had a level of dignity that for some reason was never afforded to the Terminator sequels.

I say, it's not an inherently bad idea to make her say "I'll be back". But this line should be really, really earned and put in a clever contex. But judging by the trailer and the review, it was just played for a quick gag. 'Member Arnold said I'll be back? I 'member.

GiRayne well of course it is a cash in, but no more so than Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill returning for Star Wars. Linda Hamilton is genuinely great in this film, just as tough as she was in T2, but if you aren’t a fan, that won’t mean much.

that logic could be extended to every movie made nowadays. when was the last time you saw a movie, or even a trailer for that matter, that didn't contain some sort of film cliche?

John Norris Yeah I haven’t seen this but I liked Linda Hamilton’s delivery of that little speech in the clip they included here. Had some actual gravity, especially with the memory of her great performances in the first two films. I hated everything about Genisys so at least this seems to be an improvement on that (not difficult).

Those Avatar movies aren't going to fund themselves.

These avatar films better be fire for all this bullshiting money he's getting

Like Bill Murray with Wokebusters

"Why?" and "how?" are my main thoughts about this films plot.

This film doesn't exist.

@@JohnnyZenith Strange if a film doesn't exist then why go on about it? How do you know about something that doesn't exist? I enjoyed the movie so did others so we must have spent money on something that doesn't exist?

Completely

Amen JD Adams

So do you understand John Connor more than the guy that created him? This smacks of the guy arguing with JK Rowling over Snape's characterisation. They came up with them, therefore they can be whatever they want them to be. Just because something doesn't fit in with your own head canon it doesn't mean it is wrong.

Mike Welsby No it’s wrong. Completely crapped on fans and John for an agenda. Wokeness.

What Dark Fate does is perfectly consistent with the original mythology. Together, Sarah and John changed the future by destroying Cyberdyne and preventing the creation of Skynet. They prevented the future war that John was supposed to be a great military leader in. Instead of John being the man that beats the machines in 2029, he became the teenager that beat the machines in 1998, saving the lives of billion people. That's very much in keeping with T2's message "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves". John was destined to be a hero, but he defied fate and destinty and created an even better future, he became an even bigger hero. John and Sarah's victory in T2 is a much bigger victory than the original T1 victory of beating Skynet in 2029. However, it then turns out that preventing one bunch of idiots at cyberdyne doesn't then eliminate the possibility that a different group of idiots have the same idea 30 years later. So eventually a completely different AI called Legion will be built, that will turn against humanity in a different way. This causes a completely different future war with different weapons and technologies and strategies. Legion doesn't launch nukes like Skynet did, instead it shuts down humanity's technology, we lose the internet and planes fall out the sky. In this new scenario, it is humanity who launches the first nukes, in an attempt to eliminate this rogue AI with EMP blasts. Everything that John and Sarah thought they knew about the future no longer holds true, this is a different apocalypse. Grace and the Rev-9 come from this new future war. Even if John Connor were still alive in 2042, it would make no sense him to still be destined to be the saviour of humanity. He'd be an old man. It makes sense that instead humanity gets a new saviour, Dani, who has been targeted for termination by the new AI Legion. After John and Sarah's victory in T2, it makes sense that John is no longer the focus. But, Sarah Connor's experience fighting terminators and training John makes her a useful secret weapon. Without her help, the new terminators would succeed in wiping out Dani; with her help, Dani can become an even better saviour than she was already destined to be. Perhaps together Sarah and Dani can change the future once again, just like they did in T2. Of course it would have been great to have a movie that had both adult John and Sarah in it. But Edward Furlong's drugs history is so severe that no company will give him actor's insurance. No movie company is going to take a chance making a blockbuster starring a guy who has a 50/50 chance of dropping out the film due to a drugs crisis, and where they can't even get some kind of insurance to cover that eventuality. So they had to write John out of it and have Sarah going alone. (The reverse situation of T3, which killed off Sarah Connor and just had John.) But even if adult John Connor was in the film (perhaps by them casting someone else), it would make sense for him to no longer be the saviour of humanity, and instead pass the torch to the new saviour. He already saved us in T2, he doesn't have to keep being the messiah over and over again.

​@@youreviltwinLPLol. You really had to reach to make this work. Truth is they pushed out a woke agenda flick and it's terrible no matter how you try to justify the decisions. Arny had no connection with Legion yet knew their coordinates so Sarah could kill them all by herself. What took entire movies to do she did on her own? Right.......

pump ya brakes. Salvation was an underrated gem and the only Terminator sequel to approve of outside of the first 2.

@@travisspazz1624 who hurt you? lol

@@travisspazz1624 genesis is the worst imo, the real problem with salvation is that it dropped that futuristic aesthetics from the 80's in favor of "realism"

@@aldovk6681 keep in mind that these "futuristic aesthetics from the 80's" only appeared in Sarah Connors dreams (well, nightmares) in both T1 and T2!

@@aldovk6681 yes true!! They should of kept it shiney and chrome with a black blue sky!!

Yeah...sounds like a Terminator movie...

Aww boohoo did it upset you a movie being similar to others in the same series?.

The best Terminator movie since Terminator 2: Judgement Day

@@mar10ssj1 which isn't saying much at all

James Cameron: Should stick to his smurf movies

... and again... and again... and again

2050 yeah I’m back again

Yes indeed

I think that the future war movie wasn't really necessary. T2 wrapped up the story with Judgment Day being stopped. Therefore the future war movie would depict events that were already prevented. Besides, all we needed to know about the war was already told and shown in T1 and T2. We know the outcome, Skynet was defeated. So they send Terminators back in time to kill unborn and young John Connor, but that, as we know, didn't work. There really is nowhere to go from this.

@@maciejkowalski2759 indeed that's very true but since they have tried to milk the brand with bad sequels, I at least hoped a proper future war movie had been done since they tried and failed with Salvation. The Universal Studios ride T2 battle across time was a great teaser that could've been a solid 2 hour movie I think.

@@AsadKhan-lm6yr Salvation had the best concept going forward showing John in the future but the execution was not done well. They didn't have him leading the resistance and having Sam Worthington be the co-lead certainly didn't help. I get they were going for a trilogy and maybe they would've improved but we'll never know. Salvation wasn't all bad but it needed a better director too.

I believe ever since he lost the rights to the franchise way back when he lost interest in it. Now Avatar is his 'new' baby taking up all him time and passion. If he was still the rights holder after T2 we could've seen much better films but it is what it is.

I actually think Predator 2 fits into Mark's whole statement about sequels which expand the canvas. except as opposed to Alien and Terminator sequels, Predator 2 isn't nearly the equal of its original. Still, it isn't bad, in fact its quite a fun movie on its own.

Am I the only person that enjoyed Alien 3?

Tam Crude “nostalgia kidnappers” love that and very relevant to today’s cinema

What does that make Blade Runner 2049?

Crybabies.

Ahhh, wire.

And ironically enough James directed both.

It was the first thing thst came to my mind after seeing this film and discussing it with my work colleague recently

Shocking decision. Hated it

@@alfredwinterbottom1588 because there was no point. Why change it?

I take your point, but when I watched it and thought about the implications for this decision. On this timeline. I thought it was a pretty good idea. It means T3, Salvation and Genysis don't need to happen. THAT SAID! Dark Fate, isn't that good! It's in my opinion about the same as T3 in terms of quality. And we don't talk about the other two.

@@rorrt I kinda like that Salvation at least tried something new, but I know what you mean. Watchable, 2 hours of action, but nothing as compelling as the first two.

They did it because woke Hollywood can't have a white male saviour. Get woke go broke

There is no T3.

They are all pointless after T2, story was told

T3 needed to happen, by virtue of there being Terminators coming back from the future to effect the past/present in T1/T2, means the story was never finished at the end of T2, as Arnie put it in T3 "Judgement Day is inevitable". Killing the terminators and blowing up cyberdyne in T2, doesn't automatically change the course of time, if it did as soon as arnie died there would have been a paradox event, as time isn't a straight line, T3 was an interesting concept, but poorly enacted IMO. This new movie is just hot garbage, it retconned the whole premise of the first two movies, to try and score woke points with people who probably won't even go see it.

If you like terminator 3 you're easily please 🤪🙄😱😵🤯

And changes nappies with great efficiency. Ha

@@mikeadams7904 This new Terminator is violent

ih8mcfly Rheumatism: this time it’s terminal!

Underrated comment 🤣

Chase Hedges I think for me it’s less than that. My reaction that Linda Hamilton and Eddie Furlong had been cast still left me empty, because it doesn’t really matter at this point.

@@Cinephileofmany This franchise, along with JP, are going the way of the dodo bird: extinction. Speaking of Jurrasic World 2, did you like the girl's acting?

They really ought to try something new, not just the same old plot again. The only Terminator movie that has so far was Salvation, which was obviously flawed but at least it tried. I agree with another RU-vid review I saw that mentioned that they could have had an interesting movie if the plot followed the old Terminator living as a human.

T3 should've been the final movie, about John Connor in the resistance and Kyle Reese going back in time to 1984 to save Sarah. Not all that garbage we got in Salvation.

I actually quite liked Genysis, certainly it's better than T3 or the godawful Salvation

It's quite the opposite for me. I have questions for first 5 movies. But this one is plot holes free.

Subzee or kubzee?

That'll be 2-3 shots then I know because I watched it twice and that's how many times, 2 or 3 times.

They kill John Connor at the start of the movie Terminator dark fate

She is the best thing in this film.

@@coljj4356 that about sums things up 😂😂😂

im gonna STAND and FIGHT!!!!

HA LOL!!!! THIS COMMENT MADE MY DAY

It's actually the fourth Terminator 3. You have Rise, Salvation, Genysis and now Dark Fate.

Snag Prophet in my head Salvation is Terminator 3: Salvation: 0: Genesis like some bad JRPG spinoff

@@Indietrix I checked the wikipedia and apparently they were going for some kind of retarded side-quel with that. So you're probably right, but in the heads of everyone involved Terminator 2 was the last decent movie. So I assumed the people who did Terminator 5 were thinking of Terminator 2 and not Salvation as the one that comes before this.

100% Opening scene showing the hospital clip from T2 had me buzzing and CGI de-aging scene started promising then.... Dark Fate begins. Not a Terminator movie. Dark Fate is a spin off with Sarah Connor and T-800 cameos.

The only good thing about this film is the beginning.

That’s mostly unused footage from T2 re cut to make up a sequence. Any parts that needed to be specifically tailored to the new story had body doubles almost always filmed from behind. So, unfortunately the best thing about the best post T2 sequel is the T2 cutting room floor

Seriously ? Could you live in a world where you have to MAKE your own drapes !?

I had to wonder what prompted him to talk about his drapery work at the warehouse.

It's James Cameron trick. Make first as horror and next as action

Aliens is also a perfect sequel, it's James Cameron's specialty.

@@vincentvega22 agreed

Wish they grounded and made it horror like the first one

They changed the John Connor story at the end of T2...what are you talking about? They changed the future, that much was made clear at the end of that movie. In this one Skynet no longer exists, John was no longer the saviour.

That's the thing with the plot holes in the Terminator movies, you cannot change something that's already begun/happening/happened. The reason why the T-800 was sent in T1 was Skynet's desperate attempt to rebuild another fortress to restart another war. This is what I like about 12 Monkeys is that the scientists tell Bruce Willis's character not to stop the outbreak because they know that it has already happened, they are just using time travel to try to find the source of the contagion so they can develop a cure.

@@dennett316 what I mean is T1, T2, T3, salvation & genisys all have John Conner as a major thing & in this 1 it's like they just went, scrap that idea, now let's make it this woman who's gonna be the future leader hero. Also if several terminators are sent back to kill John as a boy in T2 time (which we didn't know for the last 28 years), why didn't they do that in T1 as well to kill Sarah? We all thought T2 served as a perfect end, the future was safe etc!

@@bengejuknowit3048 Dark Fate having more than one Terminator sent back to kill young John is a retcon. Not a big deal. T2 also retconned how many Terminators were sent back as well, as Reese says in the first that nothing else could come through (it also retcons John's message to Sarah as told by Reese by adding the 'no fate but what you make' line). These are not big deals, and happens constantly in this series, usually handwaved away by 'time travel' or 'alternate futures' and such. Also worth noting that while, yes, John was a major thing in Genisys, he was still killed in the first 15 minutes and turned into a Terminator who served as the movie's villain.

* I’ll be back. *You’re terminated

@@blastmedia3218 u missed the joke jackass. Stop trying to be extra clever""""

I thought the story is pretty decent actually.

He was paid to say that on a promotional ad about Geniys on that . He never really thought that

Yeah, stop this frachise. It's over. I'm done. It had its own time and now that time's up.

@Digonto Zahid I think the tagline to the movie should say, "_A Terminator movie. It's better than the last one, but that's not saying much._"

He looked like a Spanish hedge trimmer

haha

Agree about T2, but while T1 is a classic, it's not timeless. I don't think that you could mistake it for being made in any decade other than the 80s.

The Doctor is channeling British people, for an American audience. We have a lot of eccentric idioms.

I think if it actually served a purpose, it would have been fine, but it was essentially just used as a complete retcon for the sole reason of "rebooting" with a new cast-- in the same way Han and Luke were jettisoned from the Star Wars franchise. It was disrespectful to the fans because the creators of the film want us to forget the older, better, movies and move on to their new trash.

@@AnimationRevolution At least with Han it made sense. Doing it to Luke and especially in that fashion was unforgivable.

Yeah I understand Eddie Furlong couldn’t really be in it, but that opening kinda turned me against the film from then on

Killing John from the off grabbed my attention. The problem with these films is nobody knows what they want from them anymore. This played like a greatest hits romp and I really enjoyed it. Honestly, I'm more fatigued with the persistently unhappy fans and commentators than I am the franchise. I had a blast with this and I hope fans of the previous films give it a crack.

@@AnimationRevolution The purpose was drawing that line in the sand and ending the Skynet timeline once and for all. There's no more striking symbol of that than killing John. No, it's not disrespectful, they don't want you to forget. If anything it was a greatest hits of the first two films, littered with references and callbacks. Genisys was disrespectful due to poor quality throughout.

right on cue just watched it premiere tonight on free to air in the UK and appropriately enough, this was a film designed by algorithm. Just one long theme park rollercoaster ride ...

She's not a robot, She's only enhanced...

sapphiro Bionic, then(?)

Wdym??

The Oober RU-vidr Disagree. I saw it yesterday and although it’s not a patch on T1 and 2, it’s not too bad. Just wished with Cameron, Hamilton and Arnie on board they could have done more with the franchise.

Genisys was awful man. I'm with you in liking Rise of the Machines as a great action film with a ballsy ending, but Genisys was the worst kind of garbage.

Director Jonathan Mostow (laughs in Schwarzenegger)

I concur. T3 I really like. No way near as good as 1 or 2 but still tied it all up. Then they went and made more. :-(

Ps. I would pay money to see your idea for the future war movie. THAT would be great.

Mr H Reviews and Oliver Harper pretty much said the same things as this video, so the gushing reviews are almost surely pandering nonsense

I tend to agree, thus far. Have seen a few fairly positive comments about this one was well, though.

You forgot how a Terminator now has a pet dog too

Appy Ammer yeah...they don’t kill them now. The only plus :)

Why that?

@@Gadget-Walkmen 'I know now why you cry... But it is something I can NEVER do' Looks like that completely flew by YOUR head.

Really? Out of all the B.S. that's the problem? Well she is still a human technically.

Her being an augment is actually really cool.

@@TheArtkaw No one has a problem with that.

That was the worst movie out of the whole franchise

Agreed

There is no T3.

@@JohnnyZenith ?

@@JohnnyZenith In the franchise? Yes. Timeline? No

It's way better and better than fans give credit for. T3's narrative is simple yet effective. That being that Judgment Day is inevitable and all that matters was John Connors safety as was the case in T1(though through Sarah) and T2. T3 as you stated is way better than this!

3 strong female leads though, Dani trying to be tough was one of the least convincing things I’ve ever seen.

Freemouse159 he gave a bull#### review for the Force Awakens. He lost my respect for that.

Rate it 3.6 Roentgen

Me: I dont know about that, that doesnt explain why Skynet would create carbon copies of the same model when part of its intention was to infiltrate the enemy. Yes she probably would have told him all about the T800 and yes it would make sense for the resistance to send back a terminator that would John might be able to identifyr. But that doesnt explain why Skynet made them all the same mold, like Stormtroopers. Rest of the World: Its just a movie People who love movies: This discussion has merit.

And brilliant as Arnie made a scary Terminator. The monster needs to be scary, unlike the Hispanic man in the new one.

Because Arnie made a scary monster. This new Hispanic actor doesn't scare.

It's already been a TV show, a decent one too but it was cancelled for another show that was also cancelled.

I know, I mean I'm 100% sure they'll continue this with a new show. Point is, this is never going to end.

@@bebaguette766 If they had continued with salvation storyline, then maybe it would've ended by now.