Everything Wrong With Terminator: Dark Fate In Zzzzzzzz Minutes 

Longer movie :)

It's a longer movie. 😉

T2 will always be the best movie

Sin counts have no real value.

True

THIS! I thought for sure he’d say it as he fell. Would’ve been a sin either way, but STILL

Remember though, it isn't the same Terminator that interacted with John in T2, so this one never would have had a reason to pick that up

@@wadesimmons7460 how about the fact its a terminator movie, with arnold, and its a classic line that has been in other terminator movies without arnold. Is that reason enough for ya?? Douchy Mcbag

he did say he WON'T be back... *cries in spanish*

More than 1000000

Usually goes to -9999999 from the thoughts that everything and everyone is dead. Seeking revange goes to -9999 but still bar enough.

Bad*

That is part of the thematic of the woke/feminist films. The woman protagonist unlocks her power immediately. No training necessary. Case on point (besides this parody of the Terminator series): Ray from SW 7-9.

@@1993Michoacan aww, at least you tried.

@@panicatthegasstation tried?

Yes they were, until it ends with killing off John Conner, which was a big mistake in my opinion

The Terminator didn't look like Arnold at all

@@MarcoKlammer Do you mean in the opening or the REV-9? the REV wasn't supposed to look like Arnold but in the opening scene they nailed him for the T-800

@@ThePigeon5734 I mean the one that shot John. That was supposed to be Arnold

@@MarcoKlammer that one looked like him though XD

Destroy the franchise?

@@elykspuz6596 That was their plan all long! Sarah and John Connor were just McGuffins...lol

@@elykspuz6596 That, and murder John Conner.

The terminator was a huge fan of classical music, apparently he was so inspired by classical music he wanted to be a composer & musician. At least that's what I interpreted when he said "I'll be Bach"...

@AlpahaMale34 or have a inbuilt sniper rifle i mean come on he can make swords can't he just make a sniper

Pointless? Sarah and John saved/extended 3 billion lives and allowed humanity to continue on without a hitch for 3 more decades. How is that pointless? Come to think of it Dani and Grace wouldn't exist if John and Sarah didn't blow up Cyberdyne. Like they say if you go back in time and kill Hitler as a baby, mankind would never learn from the lessons WW2 taught. Allowing another person just as evil to gain power any do the same or worse. Sarah and John were the only two people who knew about Skynet and what it would do. To the rest of the world an escaped mental patient and her son, along with a serial/cop killer from the 80's, blew up a Cyberdyne building because she believed robots were going to take over. So of course the world continued like normal until another "Dyson" came along and built a super AI. I find it more compelling, from a story point of view, that you can kill the leader of the resistance, but eventually someone else will rise up and lead. New AI, New war, new savior. Saying its all pointless is like saying WW2 was pointless because we already had WW1.

@@drzaious8136 The entire point of T1 and T2 is that time travel doesn't matter, nothing will change the future. They presented their time travel as there are fixed points in time, like that John Connor will be born, that Skynet will rise, that John will become a leader and that Skynet falls. No matter how much time travel Skynet tried, it won't change a thing. The reality of what we see already counts with time travel and adjusted itself. Similarily to how time travel in Harry Potter worked. So now, suddenly throwing a yet another terminator killing John meant that there never WAS an adult John Connor, completely breaking the entire time travel narrative the first two had and changing it into a completely different time travel style where the world constantly adjusts to changes, so movies like Back to the Future, Looper, etc.

@@drzaious8136 It was pointless because Legion is literally Skynet 2.0, the exact same course of events happen but with everyone Renamed, so nothing was accomplished other htan pushing it back a bit. They could have kept Legion as Skynet, and could you say that there would have been a difference? And if stopping one Skynet leads to another Skynet "No fate but what we make" is kinda pointless to, because no matter how many times you stop it, there's just another one that destroys the future a couple years later.

It was the same with The Last Jedi, I suspect that Cinema Sins is some far left guy

@@FishoD The whole concept of T1 and T2 is, "There is no Fate, but what we make" the future is not set. T1 establishes a loop, but T2 breaks that loop. According to James Cameron all assassins were sent back at the same time by Skynet like a shotgun blast through time. Same goes with the protectors John sent back. Skynet ceases to exist from the moment Cyberdyne and its creator are destroyed. That doesnt mean everything we saw prior to that didnt already take place. Meaning that Reese was still Sarah's protector in 84. The T-1000 as we saw, was still there trying to kill John, despite Skynet's A.I. no longer being developed. So from the perspective of our present day characters, Skynet doesnt get made, but everything that came through time isnt affected by that.

Dani: Feminazi Grace: Feminist

Maybe more girl-power would have made the film better. oh... they will fix that next time.

pretty much that's true

@@fersho450 real feminist is Sarah

The biggest problem with this "Powergirls" is that they aren´t strong characters like Alan Ripley or (ironicaly) Sarah Connor from T2 or Black Widow. These girls have inner motivations, are hurtable and show emotions and weaks, but these "Powergirls" from Terminator: Dark $hit are just the female version of the "masculin stereotype of Hollywood" that the Feminazis are always critizicing... Do they want equalitiy or do they just want to switch tables??? God... Some Feminists are goddamn horrible

Showing the girl working in a factory is so boring I fell into a coma upon seeing it

Genysis is definitely worse! It’s a complete cluster fuck,whereas Dark Fate is just mostly a by the numbers rehash.

John Connor did save the world. He stopped Judgment Day by the hands of SkyNet. But his job was done. John was expendable.

Agreed

In England, terminator 1 is rated "18", terminator 2 is "15" and terminator 3 is "12" So you're right.

Yeah lol

T3 action comedy

@@jjwp-ql5rv terminator saga has been pushed down worst than Star Wars franchise 😥

@@Locadel2003 tdf: *it's a tragedy*

Also a Terminator telling his family to evacuate the house cause it's not safe anymore, but leaving it completely intact for the next Terminator to come along and collect evidence. They even burned Dyson's house in 2.

@@DarkAttackYT I think they burned his research documents but I'm not sure if the whole house was burned down

Only 100 sins? You're a better and kinder person than me. I would've sinned that shit so hard you'd believe a Movie Sin Counter can cry

Should have given them 100 sins for a few different things. Leaving evidence for the other to conveniently find (a mistake they already learned not to do.) The leaving behind of evidence in the finale (A mistake that they figured out not to do between T1 and T2.) And a few other things like that.

it was such a sin I walked out of the cinema and got a refund

😂

THANK YOU! I had a supervisor that even attached a little like cart on the back, bikes in factories/warehouses is super common

Barely independent,she didnt give that leader type feeling and she's a useless forgettable character

You mean a stoic, uninteresting vagina (a.k.a. Mary Sue) 😂

@@justadiamondwithinternetac3662 Nobody is scared of strong women only of killing franchises and of movies that aren't good because of strong women.

@@justadiamondwithinternetac3662 You mean flat one dimensional characters that the writers think "If they don't need any help and can show everyone up it'll prove their strong!" It doesn't, it just makes the movie weaker. Terminator 1 and Terminator 2 were good because Sarah Connor was a real woman, she wasn't this fictional strong woman trope, even in T2. Half the reason the original Terminator movies worked was because Kyle/Ahnold were effective foils to Sarah. Women don't have to be mothers if they don't want to, but I invariably find the strength of motherhood more compelling and interesting then "I DUN NEED HALP AM STRONG" Like Sarah in T1 had to rely on Kyle but showed her immense resilience every step of the way and became a ready student for Kyle to teach how to fight and survive. In T2 we saw her take that further but mostly because she knew she needed to protect her child, something she feels conflicted about because as a consequence of their life she's never been able to settle down or find a good father figure for him, which she ironically realizes Ahnold is a good choice. Its literally the difference between Black Widow and Captain Marvel. One of them is good and complicated and has emotions. The other is overpowered so that they can clearly be the strongest so they can be the new leader despite being the worst character in the movies and having one of the most unsuccessful comic strips of all time. And literally being the iteration of Captain Marvel that is the closest to being a fascist and is unironically the most villainous because she would wipe out whoever the government pointed her at, including other heros.

@@S4TANAS. because her character is not supposed to be a leader, she's a bodyguard.

It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

You wrote all that and only got one reply in over one month's time. 😂

@@MrMJmusicLover yeah, but I won't scoff at the 111 likes. I'm pretty happy with that result. Plus I've found people mostly reply if they disagree with the comment. If they agree, they like.

Matthew Fallaize facts

This movie is ok, but can't touch the first two films. That said, this movie is fucking confusing....? Wait, what are we taking about?

well, in my factory it was just the managers getting around faster/easier than walking. they weren't carrying shit

I appreciate that you included a time stamp on your reply.

Pops: you won't be needing any clothes Dramatic music Pops: I've been waiting for you

@@chickengod1872 That movie was 100,000,000 times better than "woke fate." Would've watched a sequel or TV series that would've detailed timeline travel explanations and most likely recast jai courtney and probably emilia clarke too (and not portrayed sarah so bratty, but that was the script people's fault). Also John played by Jason Clarke but human would've been in it and the one that did the "cellular level turning" from another timeline would've been explained. No reason for Cameron to have bought the series without an intention to make a true future wars film that looks like the scenes from the first two films and EVEN Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Sorry mate that last one doesn't exit

You forgot to say please

You came to the wrong future.

This one killed me 😂😂😂

He's so fucking polite bless him

And now that john connor is dead no carl reese 😱

CARRRRRRRLLLLLLLL!

Yo Eve P. Fucking funny boy!

WOKE FATE !!!!!!!! John Connor is now a Latina.

I thinked that he would do so too XD

It's Alien 3 all over again!

@The Krimson Kommando 100,000 sins for that

@@rickyrosay33977 100,000 is really generous

@@rickyrosay33977 Three billion sins for that.

Bonnie Lockwood this is how I watched the Lion King 2019. Pretty much got the entire story within 20 minutes

lol yes

@@aaaadit5155 don't forget Aladdin

Bonnie Lockwood hi

@@nipunarjundhruv3852 um, hi?

Skynet was already gone before John died. It was impossible for it to exist by that point. Only Legion could, well into the future by several decades, relatively speaking.

I know right howwwwwww

Because the skin is human tissue and it ages and grows.. hair

Because its actual human skin, real blood, real sweat, maybe even real tears. Whatever it takes to blend in completely

If you watched Terminator Salvation, the harvest real human skin. Basically, de gloved the entire human body, alive.

I don’t think you watched any terminator movies.

Which really speaks volumes about this terrible movie.

No he should of added like 5 sins BECAUSE it was the most compelling part in the story

@@SansTheSkeleton-dn4mn you are enabling him to continue his addiction of sinning stuff that he likes or stuff that is good

@@SansTheSkeleton-dn4mn Don't do it!

Sorry, what?

Yeah your right it so hard to see in the dark.

"I had my programming, that only killing kids can satisfy."

What happened to his hands? -Wh-what? -His hands why are they missing?

@@danteauditore6220 I uhh.. ate them.

Can you tell me the reference? TWD? Or C16 from Team Four Star?

@Jeffery Jefferyson Oh right, that brings back some old memories lol

Well, not only it makes Kyle's sacrifice worthless, but the whole fucking timeline changed, even though there is no Skynet and no Judgement Day, John Conner is still fucking murdered.

Because female supremacy! Uhhh...I mean "feminism"!

There is something to be said about the notion of fate with the Dark Fate plotline. Even when disaster is averted, humanity, with the same fundamental pitfalls within our judgement, will make the same mistakes over and over again. The fact that Legion is so incredibly similar to Skynet is a deliberate thematic statement. However, it's almost as if fate dictates that humanity will pull through somehow since the power of the situation will invariably bring forth a new leader, given that there continues to be a defiant minority within the population that remembers the scars from humanity's past mistakes. As long as Sarah Connor's and Carl's exist and understand what mistakes were made before, they will be there to educate and empower the next generation, represented by Dani, who even learns John Connor's famous line about determining one's fate. Despite the seemingly neverending cycle humanity has trapped itself in, it is most certainly the conscious choice of that defiant minority to defy their end over and over again. That's why I appreciate Dark Fate's story. While I enjoyed the deleted ending of Judgement Day, I find it a bit too optimistic that another AI doesn't pop up. Humans will continue to innovate, even when it proves to be dangerous to our own well-being. Dark Fate's message balances the concepts of fate and free-will with one another instead of favoring the latter entirely: just because we keep failing and destroying ourselves doesn't mean we won't try to overcome.

@@andrewwang8021 that's beautiful and all, but I think it's time they throw in the towel. Just die with some dignity, they've ruined everything.

Terminator woke fate needed some waman leads, no need to follow the plot.

Yeah I kinda wish the whole movie used them and took place in 1998

They need an EMP, not a nuclear fuel cell, and no, Carl is a T-800, not a T-850

@@theshermantanker7043 A nuclear explosion would cause an electromagnetic pulse. You'd have to get the hell away from it to avoid radiation sickness, but in 3 the Terminator tossed his spare out the window of a pick-up truck and everyone seemed fine. They never really describe what exactly "powers" Grace. It's been awhile, but I thought the Terminator in 3 was a T-800. I remember it saying it was selected because of John's attachment to its model number. And I don't remember "Carl" saying what model he was.

I wondered if I was the only one who caught that. Did a comment get deleted? Because I don’t see any reference to a “T-850”.

@@jazzfarer IN T3 The Terminator's power came from 2 'hydrogen fuel cells'. The explosion caused by tossing the fuel cells is somewhat realistic in that hydrogen fuel cells, we have today, can explode under certain cirmcumstances. (usually getting to hot).

Much better than the movie.

Ok yeah everything fixed hundred percent.

Sounds more better

Yep. So much better.

CongratulationsGreatest ever you smarter then director for deadpool x200 times

To be perfectly honest, when fans *did* get something along those lines _Terminator: Salvation_ they couldn't shut up about how terrible the movie was. The problem isn't with movies - the problem is with the very concept of fandom. DF is a decent _Terminator_ sequel: it's definitely a better movien than T3 and Genisys and, at least in a few aspects, is somewhat better than _Salvation_

@@999SickBoy666 The game Terminator: Resistance did a much better job of it. Granted, John himself doesn't appear until the climax, but his portrayal there was way better than how he was shown in Genysis.

@@999SickBoy666 Woke Fate better than T3 and Genesis? It was the pits. Even the special effects were total garbage and the whole movie was a clumsily written mess. Felt like a direct-to-video sequel. At least T3 gives off all kinds of signals even if like the others is essentially rehashing T2 showing skynet rising up with it's creations b4 due to time changed, genesis was much bigger with it but needed more support with a sequel to really totally work (would've made a way better TV series). The "judgement day is inevitable" plot was so interesting and we deserved a well done future wars. Terminator Salvation is the same as genesis-there is too much and there isn't enough focus. It also is actually the most successful terminator film in box office numbers and that was during a recession, making way more profit than the other sequels. idk about inflation for T2 but others yep done.

@@999SickBoy666 If someone tries to feed you shit you don't try to eat it. You call them out on it. Yes ,we want a movie set after judgement day. A good movie in the future can be done.

or another salvation

What a shitty robot and why not just be a liquid that can't be pushed around while it has the ability multiply several of itself and making themselves the puddle of death

It's basically a skinless T-800 and a T-1000. Seems like as separate allied villains they should pose one hell of a threat.

Came for this comment! Thank you, the universe is in balance once again.

Movie is still trash

So why didnt she hear the drone earlier

@@bigmeatyclaws3278 she did hear the drone. You just missed the indicator that she did

@@SplicerOtter No she heard it when it was about to attack, if she heard it earlier then she could of done something maybe alert the other people?

Congo

@@raymondbiskner6885 They crash in Congo

World war z

Serigala Art my first thought too

Transformers

But she's so hot

endo*

@@frankwest8149 She's not hot she's trying to hard to be a guy not a woman.

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 haha yep 😂

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 yeah but compared to the other two women she's hot in a rhonda rousey way (sorry if its spelt wrong)

Who? 😂

Who? You mean the skynet savior guy.. Naah!! This ain't skynet

Sarah Connors fucking husband u bellend

Whos that? 💀

Whats a Kyle Reese I like melted Cadbury than y'all American chocolates

I didnt see this film. Your comment confirmed my worries about this. fkn SJW Hollywood!

According to James Cameron all assassins were sent back at the same time by Skynet like a shotgun blast through time. Same goes with the protectors John sent back. Skynet ceases to exist from the moment Cyberdyne and its creator are destroyed. That doesnt mean everything we saw prior to that didnt already take place. Meaning that Reese was still Sarah's protector in 84. The T-1000 as we saw, was still there trying to kill John, despite Skynet's A.I. no longer being developed. So from the perspective of our present day characters, Skynet doesnt get made, but everything that came through time isnt affected by that. John dying in 1998 doesn't change or break anything. Yeah it's a paradox, but a paradox isn't what you think it is. John died as a normal kid with no predifined destiny.

different timeline, movie says the timeline from the Skynet future never happened, Skynet sent "Carl" and several other Terminators to different points in the timeline before Skynet's Timeline was wiped out, so they are taking the modern cinema view to timetravel, they say fuck the paradox, thats a different branching reality, anyone that came from it is here now but that timeline will never occur.

@@drzaious8136 "According to James Cameron all assassins were sent back at the same time by Skynet like a shotgun blast through time. Same goes with the protectors John sent back" This in itself is a plot hole. Reese clearly states of the T800 in the first film "These are new". This would make no sense because T800 and T1000 wouldve existed already when the first film takes place. Also its a big problem because the would mean that the T800 from T2 and Reese were both sent back at the same time. He also says the whole place go blown up so no more time travel which would then mean he saw the TT2 T800 go through before him. The Terminator franchise has always been filled with serious plot holes.

@@mr.nobody9697 First time I've seen someone mention this, but it is the one thing all Terminator fans have to ignore. The moment The first T800 went back in time, it's impossible for Kyle and or any of the other Terminators to go back in time. Once the T800 arrived in 84 changes start rippling and the 2029 he left wouldn't be.

Exactly! They could have done an entire trilogy about how John leads humanity to victory but no they had to go with some girl power bullshit instead

It was not retelling the story in t1 and t2 it was a aftermath

@@vartougbarsoumian5615 nope it was peplacing in a very bad way what allready was there. and at last the story of terminator are not going on with this bullshit of a movie it was the same stuff like before. the only terminator movie we se where humans fights against terminators after skynet took over is the movie with christian bale. this movie should be about how humans are winning after skynet took over how john is as the leader of the resitance against skynet and how he managed it to defeat skynet this is the story fans wanted to see nothing else but no there is nothing in there about it. its the same old thing like in the old movies terminator come back to the past to rescue someone because this the main character that defeat the machines, and another terminator comes back to the past to eliminate this exact person just dumber and more stupit. and the hero we all want to see win after more than 20 year is killed in the first 5 minutes of the movie that is just stupid writing and it continues nothing important. it´s like you want to see a superman or batman movie and bruce wayne or clark kent is killed in the first five minutes of the movie and is replaced by some stupid woman that act like they are batman or superman. and nowone cares even the mother doesn´t even care what happend. look in this movie how happy sarah connor is that all her hard work all what she has been trou has no meaning and no result in the end her own son is killed and she acts like nothing is happend nothing is changed and if all what happend before never happend this is just insane. after johns death she should be destroyed because all what she lifed for all suffering she has faced is for nothing she dedicated her life to protect and train her son and now this is meaningless. this is what the movie shows and is about the same stupid stuff happend in the disney star wars sequel crap movies nothing means something anymore everything can happend at all time even stuff that isn`t possible in there universe and womans are mary sues because they can do everything at all times and they know everything at all times no real progrees anymore. I don´t believe this is what james cameron has wanted for the terminator series. this i hope is not the way it should go on.

I love the terminator franchise...and I could care less that they killed him off so quick.

@@ninjafukwan7 terminator franchise is about john Connor fighting against skynet. What exactly did you love about it? Just the robots?

MarStoryTime bruh 🤦🏽‍♂️ swear

I mean Salvation was different, not much in any better direction, but different none the less.

If it's the same movie, how come it keeps getting worse?

Fun fact. Ned Ryerson will be back.

Groundhog Day actually a good movie:D

Exactly. Each of the three people she was with had far more experience and training in those things than she did. But they all listened to her unquestioningly. Compare that to T1, where Sarah defers to Kyle's experience whenever she can. Leadership is not telling people what to do, it's making use of the strengths of your entire team, including knowing when to ask experts for advice.

On top of that, she becomes the resistance leader...I want to know how the hell that happened. She had to of been successful. She did t send grace back for 15+ years after she saved her. How where they surviving for that amount of time?

@General Grievous ya that's true! I used to not know anything about military tactics and weaponry until I shot a watermelon and now I'm a five star general.

Sarah Conner was just some random woman

BlackShadow935 gamer tag and he didn’t all of a sudden posses all of those skills. Based off the movies, it took years for him to learn that stuff, not a couple days. If modern movies where not so hyper SJW, she would not of either....but because Hollywood is the worst offenders of everything they claim to be against, they need to go to the extreme to try and show they are “woke”.Its even worse that ppl like you fall for it.

Then walks away with amazing ease during the chaos. Despite it's face being plastered all over the world by the FBI and Interpol the Rev-9 changes it's face and skin color(s) making it literally impossible to ever find again through facial recognition alone.

Yup. He'd just walk to Dani disguised as her father, ask for a hug and then stab her. But robots are stupid in this franchise. Take Skynet for example, John Connor directly tells Skynet that Kyle Reese is his father when Skynet had him(Kyle Reese) arrested and it didn't bother to kill Reese.

*THE POWER OF PLOT ARMOUR COMPELS YOU!*

yeah the Rev-9 was stupidly over powered and it just made it completely unbelievable that they could have survived the first onslaught

The John Conner Family Tree is now a stump." - Skynet during the Future Wars@@kadelin3318

That's wtf I said

She's just an addict on top of being an android.

TX from T3 was way better than Grace

SHE’S A FUCKING DRUG ADDICT!

Great, a cyborg crackhead...... Who is given a mission to protect someone important! What's wrong with this picture?

*THIS ENTIRE MOVIE IS A SIN*

She could not detect the guards because she wasn’t looking for them, dimwit

@@gavinator7972 Why are defending this movie. It's shit!

true and explained to us visually. we saw all of that

Instead of replacing him, they should've 7sed it as a catalist for the others to figure out what to do and pull together to do it.

Actionfan19 Latina*

They had to replace him with a John who wasn't white. They are doing it with TV shows and movies now. Spiderman, Charmed, Friends, I can go on forever.

@Sergio Murillo Yeah I think I got my generation terms mixed up.

The Latina chick that the new terminator is trying to kill. After John got killed history made her the chosen one.

Sure, but as we saw in T3, if you kill John Connor, there is nobody at the Communication stronghold after the bombs fall to act as a hub for all the tinysurvivor cells. Ergo, without John Connor, the Resistance never forms.

Maybe, maybe not, magicmulder. I mean specifically about your Humanity's leader bit. Remember, both in the legitimate Terminator franchise and this bastardized Terminator movie better known as Dark Fate Humanity's Spirit is crushed. Crushed for how long, noone really knows, but eventually a charismatic leader rises. Increasingly more humans rally around this new leader for Humanity. Chances are you are still correct, magicmulder, but said charismatic leader would rise at a later time. The more later a time for said leader to rise the more likely there are not enough humans to repopulate the Earth making victory against Skynet a dejecting joke of sorts. Sure, Humanity would be victorious against Skynet, but there would not ever be enough humans to survive long term. So I think the creation of John Conner's character was absolutely essential for the Terminator franchise. Especially considering his character comes around just as Humanity is about to lose all hope for any form of salivation and give into Skynet from then onwards.

There's also the fact that if they'd done nothing, the leader would never get the training/information they need to become the leader. This worked for the first movie where it's implied to be a closed time loop. Once changing the future and/or alternate timelines come into play, there's really no point to ever send a Terminator back in time because at best, you're saving an alternate timeline's version of Skynet/Legion.

@@mentallyilldarkjeroid5378 Gesundheit.

Yes, I would much more have liked the movie to take that route. Like opening it with having John get killed, and then she steps up, and then when we think we get the end after they have defeated the REV-9 she gets killed by something _else_, and then there's a future-war scene where yet another person is running the show. John Connor isn't "the chosen one". He's a good military leader driven by the human will to survive. There's bound to be more where that came from.

That woulda been a good sin. But Cinema Sins isn't about that anymore. Now all Jeremy does is make and jokes in an attempt to make the audience like him.

I would've believed it if Carl had kept a business card or a refrigerator magnet with a company logo on it, but no it had to be a literal physical photo of his van (not even with his family in front of it, like a celebration for opening his new drapes business) and just the side of the van with the logo for no apparent reason, for the sheer purpose of lazily explaining how the Rev-9 found them.

Yeah. Of course Connor was basically supposed to survive to beat skynet, but skynet got sad because they didn't have their favorite rival anymore and killed itself. Then whatever this Terminator thing was said "well I guess I am just gonna kill whomever the camera is pointed at"

Only 2 has that theme, 1 is the exact opposite, there the fate was inherent to time travel.

The terminator franchise has a one big plotholes and it’s sinking into that hole

All of this could have been avoided if the original Terminator film didn’t have deleted scenes. The scenes that were cut made T2 unnecessary because it told a complete story

Like Highlander lol

Skynet was prevented in T2's present, so Skynet no longer existed in the future. But before they faded out, they sent back one more Terminator to kill him. Without Skynet being invented, humanity can't learn from the mistake that Skynet was. So someone created another super-AI, but instead named it Legion, because they didn't know it was a bad idea due to the fact that Skynet wasn't created. Now normally, John Connor would have simply founded the same resistance in Legion's timeline that he did in Skynet's timeline. But since that last pre-erasure Terminator killed him, he ended up not being the founder, and instead someone else, perhaps later, was the founder. Still incredibly stupid, because John's death should have still affected Skynet's timeline and not just Legion's, and they should have sent another guy to stop Carl. And hell, all the people who knew John in 98 should have banded together to prevent Legion's inventor from creating it.

That was exactly the question I had. If John dies and it doesn't matter, then Rev 9 might as well have just killed Dani at the first factory encounter. Another "savior" would apparently just grow out of the earth like a fungus anyway.

@@Montesama314 nope, again john and sarah destroyed cyberdyne in T2 events and so killed skynet... After that john becme normal kid again and not the leader of resistance. If dani dies now there is no leader in the future. And they have destroyed legion so legion timeline keeps going

exactly what we see in the future is the humans getting their buts kicked anyways so was it really necessary to send anyone back anymore. It really was not explained.

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 humans aactually win the war and skynet last weapon is the teleport device wich it uses before humans get to it

@R4- P17 which begs the question of how Dani was able to touch the power source if it was giving off heat that intense.

B-b-but muh _female leads_ I genuinely do wonder that though since I didn't watch the movie.

I don't think that the goal was to got the war again. I believe this time the goal was simply to protect Dani so that they could help win in the inevitable future war.

Exactly like T1 actually, Reese was sent in to Protect Sarah, and her eventual son, not prevent the war

Sarah Connor decided to manipulate the future on her own in Terminator 2. John Connor never sends anyone back to try to prevent the war, he only sends back a protector to ensure the survival of the leader of the winner of the resistance.

Judgement Day was supposed to have happened decades ago. It keeps getting moved forward and sideways to meet narrative needs. At this point, in order to keep making these movies the "timeline" has to be lampshaded. The Future War is just a narrative conceit that eventually will/has/had happened somehow/somewhen (i.e., a plot hook).

Spot on

and then it erases and were back to John and Sarah Connor lol. but ecen without my added ended, your idea sounds cool.

I have cycled through many factories too 👍

Yeah, it's super common..well more people use like a heavy duty golf cart, but I've seen Sterilite use bicycles to carry tools, Pemco the airplane company let's their maintenance team cycle tools

Wooah. Ive been praying for a year already. it feels like a week. i pray for father of you every night since i saw the original poster's post. I hope your dad is well. I tried drawing him but its hard when you don't remember his face. His back still bothering him :/?

yeah some of the biggest manufacturers in the world have bicycles on their assembly line to help workers get around the factory and carry tools.

I'll see you one better and say I've ridden bicycle-sized tricycles with metal baskets on the back for carrying transfer cases around a shop floor. I did have a Cushman flatbed to my access, as well, which was much cooler than the trike!

Whatever sex you're having is disappointing

The terminator franchise has killed itself and every sequel has did nothing but destroyed it the value of the first and second.

@@Brandonhayhew *done , not did

The kind of stuff his college girlfriend wouldn’t do

Tbh if it was Mackenzie Davis I'd let her do whatever.

Anyone that finds androgynous manly lesbians hot is definitely into the kinky stuff.

@@EGeorgev Manly? She is pure sports chick!

Emil Georgiev Daddy chill shes hot afff and i think shes bi

Same in opening of TF dark side of the moon but noo we gotta focus on boring asS human plot instead

Salvation could of done a good job of this but nope, its all some shtty story

Aye. The franchise always teasing us about the war is, imo, its biggest failure.

@@Atsuuke I can't agree more nothing pissed me off the most because of TF franchise focus on humans. That I care nothing about. It's the same for Godzilla movies, all I want to see is the monster fights nothing else.

@@kinseward5663 still Salvation is probably still the best sequel we'll get to T2 since T3 just felt like a watered down version of T2 and then there's the other 2 films

Rusty Shackleford still would be more interesting that this sadly lmao

I'll be back with the the paisley pattern.

Nice reddit comment

Rusty Shackleford facts 💯

Rusty Shackleford facts 💯

No you didn't

You still use redbox?...

@@thomasjones4306 A lot of people still use Redbox. It’s cheaper than VOD, and while I subscribe to streaming services, a lot of people aren’t interested in the original series (or other features), and they don’t feature any new release movies.

Because man bad

Feminazis needed their strong female characters despite Sarah already being a strong female character.

Feminazis are destrying HOLLYWOOD. even avengers franchise. *Brie*

I come back 3 months later and forget the forgetable characters name

Because they hate white males lol

@R4- P17 Its just the severe dropoff from T2 to T3

Yeah, they would have found him already, especially considering he was running a public business. they wouldn't only be looking for him over the destruction of cyberdyne, and the assault of all those police officers there, but also over the police station massacre in 1984. Not too mention when he murdered John Connor in front of dozens of witnesses. Plot holes and lazy writing 😂

@@redryder7521 you understand that CARL...is a terminator from the future, right? So can we assume that at least HE had the ability to stay off grid if he wanted? Is that hard to imagine? you can accept time travel from a future robot, but not that the robot has capabilities to simply be virtually unseen if it wants?

@@agonleed3841 but *HE'S RUNNING A BUSINESS WHERE HE GETS SEEN BY POSSIBLY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE EVERY DAY.* The average person/ police investigator doesn't know hes not the 1984 T800, or the "Uncle Bob" T800. To anyone who may recognize him from the 35 year manhunt that would be still going strong at this point, he's the guy responsible for 30+ murders in 1984, Dozens of assaults in 1995, and millions of dollars in property damage. This didn't even get factored into this lazy movie because the half dozen writers didn't know anything about the series, Tim Miller was too drunk, high, and triggered to care anything about the series, and James Cameron washed his hands of the movie mid production.

During the narrated intro, no less.

Absolutely! I couldn't agree with you more on that comment. This movie was a disgusting spit in the face to "The Terminator" (1984) and "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" (1991). Tim Miller is such a bastard for doing this barf bag of a film.

Not sure whether you're referring to the first 2 films or at least up to 4? 🤔

@@xscythe67 1 and 2 mostly. 3 can be as well but fuck that one and specially Genesis

Demon Lord Gaming it doesn’t make them irrelevant. It simply gets rid of their conflict so it can introduce a new one, divorced form the originals.

They do. And have test screenings.

@@j.p.6932 judging by the stuff they put out I actually wonder if they do.

@@RossM3838 I’m sure not all do go through test screenings or just don’t have the budget to do reshoots. I mean, look at how much Justice League spent on reshoots and how bad that still turned out.

They explained it in the video called "Everything wrong with CinemaSins" where they state that sins means nothing, just to illustrate.

This video would be over an hour if they called out every sin.

T2 is a longer movie so more to pick at.

Maybe because it's actually entitled "Terminator 2: Judgment Day."

*fewer

or SkyNet just do something to avoid getting noticed by time travelling humans in the past... like i dunno... just be normal "human" and create "not" skynet and remove the humans way of time travel device in the first place.

There are reasons why time travel is often done very badly :/ it's such a big thing, you could kill the entire humanity 10 million years BC if you wanted to

Well it sort of went after John pre-infant.....

gouan 10 // Yeah and thereby also kill the guy who invented Skynet because he happened to be a distant cousin of John Connor’s. That’s why it’s so risky to meddle with the past. Like “prevent the Holocaust and the one guy lives who ends up creating a virus that kills humanity”. That is why you never meddle - you know what bad things happened but never know what worse things would happen if you did.

Time as story concept is always bullshit because they also manipulate space which at that point make a faster version and send bombs. The funny thing about sending a biological entity though time is that your bacteria could evolve differently which could create a pandemic that has the potential become very deadly. Think of diseases that the native american population endured in the arrival of the spanish.

My fave finisher as a kid