Terrible Trains: Britain's worst rolling stock allocation 

As a regular user of the Salisbury to Bristol service since c1980, I miss the Class 33 hauling mk1 coaches for comfort.

A simple rule never hate on that what the BR build and allways hate on that what was build after the Privatisation.

I have been on 166s countless times from Bath to Cardiff, and I find them rather comfortable and pleasant. However, if they are not in a 3+2 configuration, they can be overpacked. 158s are slightly more comfortable, yet I prefer 166s and if GWR got a move on with refurbishment they would be even better. 175's are good trains and could probably move to GWR after TFW put their 197's in service.

Don't forget about perfectly suited 91s being replaced by ironing board IETs on a 4+ hour journey to Edinburgh!

As someone who fairly frequently gets the kings cross to Cambridge/Ely/Kings Lynn and I absolutely agree, the 387s are woeful

You've summed up the DfT perfectly. EMR kinda messed up their new fleets pre-covid, and now the customers are kinda paying for it. They didn't order enough 810s, they should've split Liverpool to Norwich at Nottingham, with TPE doing the West section, as they have apparently some 185s going off lease soon. The 360s look great externally now, but need an internal refurbishment desperately. Honestly first class is useless on any service that doesn't offer catering services, so it can be ditched for capacity in the future. I believe the plan was to fit the 810 seats in both the 360s and 170s, but because it wasn't authorised pre-covid, the DfT won't want to pay for it. Even an interior that is a similar to the 350/1s, with new carpets would be nice. The money for refurbishment should be on the table, especially as trains only 12 years old (395s) have just been authorised for a refurb. Another problem of the 360s is that they have no depot on the MML. They require drags to Northampton Depot, and can't get there on their own. This means that units are often out of service, and their reliability is not as great. A promised 12 car peak time service has now been cut to frequent 4 car services. The EMR 170s are all delayed from cascadements elsewhere, and has lead to a permanent retention of the 158s, that have had no new livery or any refurbishment. The 222s are falling apart internally, the seat covers don't look great. Honestly I don't know how much people care about seat comfort, I think commuters will still use the train if it is a reliable service, quick and cheap. And there is still more you could make things about, especially what is going on with the 379s / GNs 365 replacement, Southern's EMU shortages, the fact that the 387/1+/3s could be used on Southern, and the 379s to be a stronger fleet, and better layout for Great Northern. The 377/5s should go to Southern when they have the Southern moquette, and that can allow the 465/2s to return to sevice, and to allow the 313s to be finally relieved from their long service life. Southern may then be able to run longer trains, or reintroduce some Metro services they ditched since the 455s left. And then you have the 376 situation. Their interiors are completely worn, the seat covers are falling apart, the metal parts in it have worn off, and their paintwork looks shocking, as it has been 18 years since they left Derby. And at the same time the newer 395s get a refurb. And on top of that there was a microfleet added to the SE Metro fleet, which were 5 cars per unit, when Southeastern ideally want 4 car units as they can fit 12 car trains at most of their stations, and with modern ASDO, probably at every metro station.

Turbos cannot run much further west, as they're built to a wider loading gauge (hence the 3+2 seating), and would require reconstruction of several platforms. They've already underwent ride height modification just because of the risk of fouling platforms, they only get tighter out west.

Worst one is the use of Class 345 as their lack of toilets, bins and the worlds hardest seats on long distances from reading to central london.

As a person who has seen change with the Portsmouth To Cardiff from 158s to 166s I definitely prefer the 158s because I dont have to worry about standing in the doorways for half my ride or sitting in the luggage racks for half my journey

EMR have now announced they will officially be refurbishing their class 360s, 158s and 170s with 2+2 seating and charging points

165's are seen as a serious upgrade in parts of the South West. They replaced pacers with them.

I worked on cl379s for 7 years and was responsible for reliability improvement between 2015 and 2017. During which time we made them the most reliable Electrostar ever. They are a good train and should not be scrapped. Although, they probably need an overhaul and refurb before being used again.

I can remember using 4SUB non-corridor compartment stock into Holbourn Viaduct, this was supposed to be six across seating! Mind you, the seats were soft and comfortable and rather better than what runs on that line now. I find the 165/166's more comfortable than the GWR IET's, which surely must be the most inappropriately specified train on GWR.

You missed one of the greatest sins of all. GWRs class 8xx trains. They look the part on the outside but are commuter trains on the inside. The seats are used by the Germans for commuter services, yet GWR are using these ironing board seats for intercity travel. 1 trip to Exeter and back to Paddington was more than enough to convince me to dive instead. I can not imagine going all the way to Penzance sitting in those seats. There is nothing about these trains that looks inviting, the lighting is harsh the walls are stark , the ride is not good enough and the build quality is shocking with wall panels rattling after just a year and a half in service . The fact they had the blue print over 40 years on what build it just does my head in .

The 166's have actually been an improvement over the 158's on Cardiff-Portsmouth, as while the latter has some refurbished sets which are more comfy, they would only normally consist of 3 coaches which would often mean problems with overcrowding. Now on the line we regularly get 5 coach 166 sets which offer far more space even if the interior could do with a little extra tlc at some point. It's also worth remembering that before the 166's arrived, some services in this area were using 150 sets which were basically rusty tin cans which were unfit for purpose.

A weird one is using Class 800s on the bristol to worcester route. The train stops at every station and can barely exceed 60mph on that route.

The worst one I can think of has to be Fnidi sending Cardiff suburban 150s all the way up to Manchester. All of these examples of misallocations are where a long-distance service is operated with a train that isn't sufficiently comfortable, but surely this isn't the only type of misallocation. I don't like finding 158s on inappropriate suburban services like Severn Beach or Maryhill, for example, or on important mainline routes like how they used to have them on the Standedge.

You briefly mentioned 185 trains which Trannspenine are still using through Leeds- Manchester services. The company wanted 4 coach sets, but were not allowed to have and were told they had to have 3 car sets. Worst decision ever. Mass over crowding for years on these trains. Someone seemed to forget that Leeds City Station is the 2nd busiest outside of London with 18 platforms.

Good news - in March, it was announced that the 379s are going to GTR.

as others have said, the 166 on the cardiff-portsmouth line are a welcome addition running 5 car trains! I'd really like to see them introduce some more suitable stock though, maybe a electrostar in tri-mode configuration to make use of the extensive electrification. They do still run some of the nicer refurbished trains so it's a bit luck of the draw, recently lucks been better than early on. edit: ok I hadn't made that trip in a while, today had a 166 towards cardiff, and a 168 back towards portsmouth. like night and fucking day. the 168 is far superior in every way

The 2+2 table areas on the turbos were originally 1st class for the Oxford/Thames valley runs. It was never removed

the 165's have worked well on the Chiltern Line which I suppose is one of the main lines they were developed for. Getting a bit long in the tooth now though.

As you said, Portsmouth to Cardiff is a busy route, and having 5 car trains instead of 3 car presumably improves the passenger comfort. I’ve only been standing on that service before, so although 158’s are a better train, with the stock they have, it is good to have the added capacity. I do like your thinking of moving TFW 158s over. I assume 175s would need quite a bit of new training for staff

The 16x trains have also been moved to small non-electric branch lines. For example, Slough to Windsor and Eton Central, Maidenhead to Bourne End and Marlow.

You didnt mention for the 360s that London St Pancras to Corby route serves Luton Airport Parkway and forms it’s own mini-operator. I dont get where luggage is meant to go, except for on thameslink trains with their owners

Travelling on the Great Northern 387s is not only uncomfortable with those ironing board seats (these are used on the fairly lengthy Kings Lynn to London services) but the ride quality is problematic. At speed, the ends of the coaches rattle quite violently from side to side, as if the bogies are hunting intermittently. It can be quite disconcerting.

I used to enjoy train travel when there were comfortable seats alongside windows. When airline seating was found in....Planes! When ticket options were simple. When trains had buffet cars. When the railways were operated by railwaymen. When was this? It was before the DfT decided that they knew what was best for us (ironing boards and window pillars). Those were the days of British Rail- sadly missed (including their sandwiches which were much better than today's offerings if you can actually get anything at all to eat on a train now)

For the 166 those were Designed to Run London to Oxford Worcester via Didcot and Newbury via Reading pre GWML London Paddington to Reading Hayes and Harlington to Reading electrification. One advantage of a 166 over 150s is that those have ETH. Sadly the Ironing Board seats on 387/2s are also on IET.

175s are absolutely knackered from just years of neglect no operator wants them although the new mk5 sets have just come out of use hint hint

I would say, the class 803 on London - Edinburgh is a terrible choice. They have no first class, on a journey that’s over 4 hours. They also don’t have any catering facilities. And they’re only 5 coaches long, way too short for their route. Lumo really need to step up their game, because if they think that they can be “The New LNER,” then they really gotta do something about those bloody 803’s

I always thought once TfW's 158's should be leased to Northern along with East Midlands' 158's, this Northern can scrap 156's and reduce the number of types of trains they are running. The 165's & 166's could be sent west by taking 221's that Avanti is giving up. But a lot of the 222's should stay with East Midlands for their regional express the Liverpool to Nottingham (and reconnect with its other half to Norwich!)

Finally a refurbishment for the 360s has been announced. It's about time! Also the 175s might be going to GWR soon. Have you predicted the future?

Just remember that Great Northern scrapped the Class 365s that were perfectly good trains with actually comfortable seats and lied about those trains having no aircon.

Westbury's my local station, it's fun to see the class-166 on the siding on the connection to the readingTaunton line, waiting to go for a service to warminster or Swindon

I think there's a potential for introducing the class 222 Meridians that will be released from EMR to operate GWR services from Portsmouth to Cardiff

On wikipedia, it seems the class 379s are in storage because no one will use them due to high leasing costs. I'm not in the UK so don't get rail leasing, but why after you have bought the train will you store it because no one will use it. Shouldn't the ROSCO cut the rolling stock costs until they get a bidder? Also, weren't the trains bought by the government using tax dollars, if so why can't the government just use them, demanding a reasonable lease rate?

165s on the Chiltern Mainline, running Marylebone all the way to Birmingham in some cases, is a terrible allocation

To be honest having used Portsmouth to Cardiff trains between Westbury & Bath the 166/165s have brought a massive boost in capacity for the route but in the long term what is actually needed is faster and more comfortable trains. Either more Castle sets (never going to happen) or maybe more IET's but closer to what EMR have ordered like you said allowing the 165/166s to move down to Devon/Cornwall. I also don't understand why Chiltern doesn't have a more standard fleet and allow their 165s to move over to GWR. I also agree with the 379s on GN, allowing the 387s to all move to GWR.

This might be the first recorded instance of someone using "class 222" & "passenger comfort" in same sentence.

The only problem with British railway's is the DfT, the young bloods who seem clueless there ,probably cycle to work and have no idea what travelling by train is.

Every time I ride from Portsmouth to Bristol I cross my little fingers and pray for a decent train. More often than not, my prayers go unanswered. Now I know what sort of train to direct my anger at. Thanks GWVillager!

The full range of turbos are a massive pain and are a massive step down from 158

GWR use the 165/166 on the reading to Redhill line, the line is not electrified from Wokingham to Aldershot south junction then from Salford junction to Redhill.

Honestly, i think if not the Dft us the main reason these trains are uncomfortable, if not the DFT then even the class 387 could have a higher chance of being refurbished with a more comfortable design and a more convenient first class

An ex-Wessex 150/2 which got the 2003 refurb has a better interior than a 165/166. These units are also now comprise the majority of the GWR 150 fleet with only a few units remaining with the original 3+2 interior. Swapping them out for turbos is not an upgrade IMO. Also pretty sure turbos can't operate west of Plymouth as they are too wide.

From what I've heard, including family members that work for EMR, the 360s will get similar seating to that of the 745s, 755s and brand new 197s, interiors that seemingly everyone agrees are pretty good despite DfT directives

GWR also do the 165s on the Reading to Gatwick services which are around 2 hour a long along the Old North Downs line.

I am surprised you didn't mention class 172s on Birmingham to Hereford

I have learnt for this that the DfT are incompetent which I kind of already knew but damn. It’s as if they don’t want the railways to work.

Think I said in another of your vids, about Norwich, where a 'cross country' East Midlands Railway service to Liverpool will be an ageing 158 (the seats are nice), sat next to it will be a luxury 755 with 4 carriages, can run on diesel & overhead wires, which runs out to Yarmouth or Lowestoft etc 😄. Think I also said somewhere about the Marches route. Why no local trains by WMR?

This sort of reminds me of the two occasions when I've had Pacers for cross country journeys. Once From Liverpool to Wakefield via Manchester, and once from Carlisle to Newcastle. Pacers might be tolerable for short journeys on lightly used branch lines, but not on such long journeys. Definitely a poor allocation! Flipping the script, another poor allocation of units is Class 158s on the Maryhill branch in Glasgow. These comfy cross-country units are overkill for an urban commuter train. Ideally this line should be electrified, but as it stands a Class 150 would be perfectly adequate for this line. Of course the problem there would be that Scotrail doesn't have any Class 150s allocated to it at all, which is the reason for them using the 158s there. Many years ago these units could also be seen on the Whifflet route prior to electrification, but now the much more suitable class 318s and 320s can be found there.

I was expecting to see the EMR class 158 here, a busy working Liverpool - Norwich, thankfully is getting replaced with much better EMR 170 units! The EMR 158’s are fine! They are really nice interiors and quite a nice way to travel it’s just they can’t cope with the high demand for travel between Nottingham - Sheffield - Stockport - Manchester - Warrington - Liverpool, so 170’s should be good! They are also due to be refurbished so I’ve got no complaints for EMR in this instance!

Im surprised you didnt mention the class 700's along with the 387s. Not only do they do slightly longer journeys than the 387's but they dont even have tables for most of the train!

I regularly use the GW Turbos, i find it quite funny that essentially outer urban DMUs are being rattled along the XC mainline up to Worcester. Thr 165s are pretty near intolerable with very little leg room and no tables, while 166s are somewhat better with tables and generally a little roomier, also some of the 166s have been refurbished recently. That excluded, many of the turbos are in a pretty sorry state, but the carriage numbers are definitely needed around Bristol. On the topic of 387s, I had one the other day from Swindon to Paddington, which seemed a little inappropriate

Can I just mention the 165/166 are replacing the hsts from cardiff to Penzance on some routes, majority being 800s and very few being 158s, 166s and 800s have the worst seats

Trainspotters rival teachers for their capacity to moan.

Imagine getting off of one of those old carbunkles travelling from Portsmouth to Cardiff, and be faced with Trafnidiaeth Cymru's fleet of shiny new Stadler trains. England's privatised railways are getting shown up by the Government run Scottish and Welsh services.

You're talking about the 360's interior being unsuitable but the journey time is around 1hr 30 min which is shorter than the journey from London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour which can be two hours plus and they use 450's which have a similar interior. Also the 165's and the 166's have the same Perkins engines that the Perkins engined 158's. The Perkins engine isn't that much louder than a Cummins engined 158. Besides, Wessex Trains had Perkins engined 158's on the Cardiff Central-Portsmouth Harbour service and I'm pretty sure GWR still has them

or class 455s on waterloo to Windsor and Reading that's an over hour long journey without a toilet I am surprised you Didnt mention that

I would like to also say that the Class 220’s and 221’s just aren’t doing well with capacity on CrossCountry’s routes. They’re always rammed and have become VUC’s (a term I’ve come up with that stands for Very Uncomfortable Contraptions). The solution would be to order some Class 810’s. These have 7 coaches (more capacity compared to the 4 and 5 car sets we have at the moment) and if they turn out to do well on Avanti (more comfortable seats, for example), I think CrossCountry could be on to a big winner. What could possibly stop them? Oh yes, the DfT… Edit: I now realise I have mentioned the wrong class. It is EMR that is getting Class 810’s. The class I should have mentioned is the Class 807.

I recently asked GWR if it was possible to use 175s on Portsmouth to cardiff services and they said no due to unreliability issues and the cost of training maintenance staff to maintain them.

Midland mainline Class 158s between Peterborough and Norwich in the summer months are terrible unsuitable for the demand on that service like sardine cans

The Chiltern 165s were refurbished into the 2/2, very comfortable. Then they got taken over by Arriva and aren't v reliable 😅

the TFW 158s are by far my favourite 158s, i really want them to go to a new home after replacement but if GWR has them they better not chop them up and make them 3 car trains

other examples of shit allocations (but there is no alternatives really just the way it turnerd out) 450s to portsmouth, seats, no tables class 700s just the fact they dont have tables and have very uncomfortable seats but run 110 mile routes class 350s on euston to liverpool, its obvousily ment to be a cheaper service but 200 miles on that class 377/1s and /4s with the horrific 3 +2 seatings in the 2nd and 3rd carriages of units and then that tiny little table which are on services that run on services which are up to 100 miles Class 377/6s and /7s these trains have tables and a modern interior but they are used for some reason on the tatenham corner and caterham service, which is a very underused and not very busy line for a 10 car train, this service should be 8 car with 2 /1s or /4s and then the /6s and /7s should be strictly used on the metro services with those awful seats as the /1s and 4/s seats aren't bad. Class 700s now going all the way to kings lynn, this is worse than the 387s arguably class 720s going to south end on sea and the other further services these are over 75 minute train rides each yet have these class 720s which you can hardly walk down because the seats are so close together and there is no tables. class 197s on the cardiff to chester and holyhead services, these are cross country train routes, over 150 miles these shouldnt be operated with a tiny dmus with no amenities emrs, liverpool to norwich services, these need to be replaced

I go on the Portsmouth - Cardiff trains and they are so crowded and busy being only 3 coaches and not suitable the only good bit is the ones still in fgw livery

I think GWR’s 387s have quite some long distance potential, and had they had more units they could move some IETs off the Bristol Parkway/Cardiff route to lengthen the badly crowded 5-car services to the Cotswolds and sometimes Devon/Cornwall. Or if they actually electrified to Oxford the Oxford route could totally be 387, removing turbos from the Didcot shuttle.

Ok, the Class 360’s are less comfortable but at least you can get a seat on them. The number of times a Meridian would roll up to my station and were rammed with no possible seats even when you had made a reservation (reservations often didn’t show up on the seats). So, yes they are not as comfortable but less crowded.

The Class 387s Are Not Fit For Purpose On Great Northern Service's The Class 365s 317s and 321s Were Alot Better And I Wish They Were Still With Us But Sadly They Aren't So We Can't Go Back To Them But If Govia Thameslink Railway Wanted a Newer Fleet For Great Northern Long Distance Services They Should Have Taken Either Class 377/5s Cascaded From Thameslink Or The Class 379s From Greater Anglia As Soon As They Became Available However The Class 377/5s Went To Southeastern Instead But They Still Have The Option To Take The Class 379s 👍

Anything in the North East... Thank god the pacers got phased out a few years back, but we're still on a lot of old hand me downs from the South.

Even the 395 units on HS1 have got that revolting 1/3 2/3 vestibule layout, let's have proper vestibules at the ends of the coach please.

I would replace the 360s with the younger withdrawn 379s on the London to Corby route and extended the route to Derby via Oakham.

Never understood why compartments and the corridor was done away with, much warmer in winter and no one brushing past as they went to the buffet, the loo or allighting.

also what about the class 350/2s on London to Crewe or from Birmingham to Liverpool

The 379s look niiiice.

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well class 360s are getting refurbished with 2+2 throughout

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I use the 165/6s to get from Soton to Bristol, and they're certainly not ideal, its always packed in the morning and when I habe brought freinds with me there were a lot of complaints...

what about class 170s on cross country's Birmingham to Stanstead Airport or from Nottingham to Cardiff via Birmingham because it means 2 or 3 car trains on heavily overcrowding routes

I think the 158s and 175s on Cardiff to Portsmouth is great but the only thing I see wrong is that they aren't coupling compatible unless they give 158s Shafenburgs

the class 323s are going to replace the 319s on Manchester and Liverpool to Blackpool regional service even though the class 323s were built for Birmingham commuter services that's a terrible rolling stock allocation in fact I am surprised you haven't made a part 2

Two + two seating on any mode of transport is the worst idea ever, from the psychological viewpoint !!

From what I can tell, the 360 referb is still going ahead, so that’s nice - they’re just waiting for the 810s, as it appears they’re going to take design ques from it’s interior instead. As for the 175 thing, Yeah, I could see that happening honestly, especially once TFW don’t need them.

DO NOT REMOVE THE SPRINTERS LIKE COMON THEY ARE GOOD TRAINS FOR TRAINS TO OBAN SO GOOD YOU CAN DOUBLE IT AND ITS BASICLY A 4 CAR WITH THE GANGWAYS

The 360s on the London-Corby route is bad, but it isn't even the worst EMR allocation. What about the 158s between Liverpool and Norwich?

Our trains from Norwich are awful. What happened to the Inter City trains we use to have? Oh wait they got rid of them. As for the Cambridge- Kings Cross trains nice that it is only 40mins journeys but as you say 1st class I wouldn't pay the extra just to sit in a seat that has a Napkin on the top of the seat! As for the 158s the ones from Norwich to Liverpool are so cramped. I have only been on them to Peterborough and have got off them with a numb bum!

I think that the class 508 will be on the list, I might be over reacting

387s and 700s are my local and I agree; 379s would be a huge improvement.

Ever been on a Pacer? They were little cattle cars. Well not literal but they were buses.

Don't get me started on Chiltern's class 165 on peak London to Stratford upon Avon services trust me it's dire

What about the terrible class 450s, fecking horrible trains that SWT and SWR for taking the class 444s off the Portsmouth Direct line to replace the class 442s that SWT took off lease, these trains were introduced by SWT for SURBURBAN services where the class 445s ply their trade, but this changed when Stagecoach won the SWT franchise and kind of looked on the PDL as a third class railway, these are similar to the class 350s operated by London Northwestern Railway some are 3+2 but most are 2+2 the seats are hard as rock, and totally unsuitable for the PDL especially fast services. SWT reintroduced the class 442s to work the PDL much to the excitement of passengers, people lined the tracks to see these trains dragged from Ely to their original home of Bournemouth Depot which is just of the Wessex main line from Branksome Station. SWR refurbished these trains although many were too far gone from being kept in storage near Salty water and only 18 of the original 24 were going to be brought back into service. They were reintroduced back onto their old stomping ground and passengers loved them, but this was short lived, they all went to Wolverton for new traction motor package, even when new these trains had second hand motors from old slam door stock, so this would have been their very first brand new motors, subsequently there were problems, and then covid so these trains were taken back to Wolverton and then SCRAPPED.

I also think they should replace the Class 455s on the SWR.

Pompey local. The turbos are awful. Can barely manage to Salisbury on em let alone Cardiff!!!

Sod that! class 150s are so much better than 165/166!!

You forgot to mention LNER 800s from London to Edinburgh! Absolutely shocking service! Uncomfortable seats and extremely bright lights which could blind you! The C43 HSTs they replaced were much better for ride quality and comfort, and IC225 class 91s are becoming less common on the ECML, with LNER only having around 12 of them left. It’s such a shame they are considering withdrawing the 225s soon, they are much more comfortable and suitable for longer journeys across the ECML, I hope LNER keeps the 91s for atleast a few more years because the 800 Azumas are fucking shit. And your point about the 387s from kings cross-kings Lynn couldn’t be more true! Great northern are delusional for getting rid of their perfectly reliable Class 365s which are not even that old, or they could just get ahold of the 379s which are much superior trains than the 387s, and have better seats. The 379s are wasted potential as Greater anglia decided to throw them in the dirt for no reason.. the new class 720s and FLIRTS in my opinion are shit, they could’ve replaced the very old 317s and 321s with reliable rolling stock.

I'm not sure what would be a suitable route for the 387s. Possibly one with a bottomless pit at the end, fully loaded with politicians. The seats appear to be designed by someone who's never met a human and doesn't understand what vertebrates are, the suspension seems absent, the gangways narrow and the vestibules cramped, as if the designers felt that giving the train a slim, narrow profile was vastly more important than actually allowing room for passengers to navigate it, and they seem to have a failure rate somewhere between Windows Vista and a 1980s Skoda. They're a vast step down from the reliable, tough workhorses that were the 365s which previously worked the route, and significantly less spacious and comfortable than the tired old 317s that preceded *them*. For that matter, the pre-electrification 101 DMUs were probably a preferable option to the 387 rattletraps. Can anyone sell Great Northern a couple of Pacers?

What about the 158's/170s on Norwich to Liverpool Lime Street?

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What do you think to Grand Centrals rolling stock allocation and what do you think would replace the 180s eventually. I'm only asking cause I worked with the 180s and know what there like 🤣