I don't know about in the states, but over here in the UK we use rock salt on our roads in the winter to prevent icing. So I imagine that any EV's driving around in the winter are going to be constantly driving through through salt and water mixtures, and having them splashing up all over the place under the cars.
It depends on which part of the USA, they use salt on the roads in New York State, but not in Florida, for example. Given time and not being cleaned off properly, the damp salt mud mixture, will eventually eat it's way through an electric, much like any other. There's obviously a risk, that it could eat it's way into the battery, which could cause some serious issues.
Keeping a the battery box structure sealed is a big concern for an EV. I suspect EVs in northern climates will have an issue as the vehicles age. I've also seen the vehicles that spend a lot of time near the ocean will have corrosion issues, which often causes leakage. Steel fasteners in an aluminum cover, for example, can eventually cause a leak path.
@@motorclaimguru How can you even say that? The housing around the battery could corrode or become damaged at which point the salt water could have an impact.
those vents don't allow movement of water, only air through a membrane ... something must FAIL for water to engress into battery box, a failed seal, a busted vent, etc..
@@KrustyKlown those vents are rubber that is in the shape of a circle that is easy to open up by hand. Not sure how those could be waterproof iif we talk about waterproof as in submerge the vehicle in water. edit: But for splashing water, they fullfill their needs. edit2: should add that i saw it in a repair video, so it might be that those orange vents were broken.
Technology will improve. There are lots of research into more sustainable and safer batteries including Iron/Air battery - which basicaly means, the air the vehicle sucks in will help generate electricity when it hits the Iron.
@@farmerfarmerer3847That's not following his logic. The more I learn about planes, they more fascinating they become and the more obvious it gets that serious time and money has gone into making them safe. The more time you look into EVs, the more you realize that their build qualities are subpar, especially considering how dangerous batteries can be. I'm a student of automotive engineering currently, and I've learned to have a healthy respect for even the normal lead-acid batteries in ICE cars. They can be very dangerous when damaged. The more I understand about large batteries, the more terrifying it becomes to think of sitting on a huge bank of them inside an enclosed car. I will never consider buying an EV to be a reasonable option financially, practically, or safety-wise.
@@legogenius1667 Do you think you & your tutors might be a little biased considering there wont be any ICE car manufacturing come 2030? I am a motor mechanic by trade too. Have two Teslas and recently sold my ranger because I disliked driving it any more. The other major benefit of ev’s especially Tesla is the development of commercial battery energy storage systems. These are making electricity systems far more efficient by storing surplus power and reallocating it at peak times.
I saw something about a major saltwater flood somewhere recently that resulted in a lot of EV fires (at least 11) while researching the effects of water submersion on an EV. Apparently, the battery failure and followup fire can occur up to a week after salt-water damage?
We've seen this a few times. Hurricane Sandy saw 16 EV fires. There were 21 EV fires related to flood waters with Hurricane Ian. I believe the recent Hurricane Idalia had 4 EV fires. All related to salt water flooding from storm surge.
Enough to leave a window open during rain. My boss had that issue. They sent back to factory, still could not find what was issue. It was gasoline car, but very modern. Summer rain was too much.
@@Eduardo_Espinoza Ironic is after a billion dollar storm some people think a few vehicle fires is a big deal. If the vehicle was important enough it would have been moved to higher ground.
Salt water is incredibly destructive for any car - Granted, a corroded ICE car doesnt light up like a exposed lithium battery but backing your car into saltwater is just plain stupid regardless of type...
I don’t think the fire brigade “decided to let it burn out” it was under water and still on fire! What the hell do you expect them to do? Spray water on with a fire hose🤦🏻♂️
of course that is exactly what they did, they left it in the water until it had gone quiet, there was no point removing it, like the last car, they removed it and continued to burn on land, leaving it in is the better obvious option.
Welp, with any new ideas, comes problems. ICE Cars catch on fire all the time. In fact many things humans make like to catch on fire. 🔥 So, with this apparent we need a solution….
This is the best video, proof, and examples of multiple EV fires and thermal run-a-way I have seen. I read almost every day about EV's catching fire, causing extensive damage to rows and rows of parked cars in parking garages, on lots, and homes burned to the ground by EV's parked in the garage and catching fire. In my opinion, a lot more research and safety factors need to be done before Ev's are safe.
Did you see the EV that burned so hot that it melted through the concrete floor of a parking garage, and fell through to the floor below? That fire ironically was started by the lithium ion battery of another vehicle in the same parking structure, a diesel electric hybrid range Rover .
@@CodyDavis91 That would stand to reason and the law of averages would agree, because there are vastly more ICE vehicles than EVs, as EVs are roughly 4% of vehicles on the road.
@@CodyDavis91 It only takes one EV in the garage to destroy your home. Personally, I don't want to take that chance with an Ev due to the most recent issues with EV fires. I've owned gas vehicles for over 55 years and never had a problem with a fire. I'll stick with a gas powered vehicle for now.
@@dougfisher1813 I am guessing the recent (October) Luton Airport incident. That one burning Rover that unfortunately burned away more than a thousand cars that are parked close to it. Very distressing news, indeed.
Another good reason not to buy a used EV. You don't know if the previous owned subjected it to subversion at a boat launch or a deep puddle, and the corrosion can occur over time since then.
My city, Charleston SC floods easily in high tide conditions or in tropical storms which we have about every year. Everyone just cruises through the water without thinking really.
just dont buy an EV period they have way more issues theuy have reliability issues range issues and cause a shit ton more polution then a gas or disel all that lithium hgas to be mined resulting in ground water water way and other pollution and when they catch on fire like they like to do those chemicels are far worse then an exhaust pipes chemicles
The list of EV woes seems endless. In the U.S. hurricanes often result in storm surges that send salt water far inland. For some reason some people fail to get their cars to higher ground. Fires in the EVs and hybrids are a likely result, fires that could set nearby cars and buildings on fire.
Lol people fail to get their cars to higher grounds? That is a problem for the EV manufacturers and insurance companies, I would give the last **** about some piece of trash electric car when there is a hurricane.
@@bazzer621 Hey it's okay, they also resell for less than gas vehicles. Repairs have costed insurance companies upwards of $20k in collisions, but you should definitely get an electric car!
Makes me wonder how these cars will do in Canadian winter. Here in Canada we use a salt brine on the road to keep them clear of ice and snow. It's very corrosive.
Um - for the Nth time: Norway has a freezing cold climate for most of the year like Canada. Unless you've been sleeping on Planet Zog for a decade or three you'll know that the majority of new cars sold in Norway have been pure EVs for the past 7-8 years. PS. Norwegians always rank high in the top 10 in studies of the world's "most educated/most intelligent" people/countries. How do Canadians(and Americans..) compare? Start with your (mis-)leaders(ie. Presidents, Prime Ministers) perhaps - then work your way up... Paul G
@@tommooe4524 I have never drove a Tesla, but I suppose I know what your saying. I have a very nice cell phone, but I prefer the satisfying feeling of pulling on a heavy rotary phone when you dial it.
@@EVUK-bd2vndear Paul, his statement was directed at the dangers of corrosion and not so much about the cold temperatures. Obviously you’re not as intelligent as you seem to think.
The issue is mainly in submersion. The vents generally prevent ingress of salt water unless the vehicle becomes fully submerged. Obviously, ICE vehicles are 100x more likely to catch fire so it isn't a major concern.
I spent four ski seasons in Lake Tahoe, 2017-2020. The parking garage at Heavenly Mountain had several EV chargers. In those four years, I think I saw only one or two cars being charged. Not many people want to risk the mountain in winter with an EV. There were some monster ski seasons of late with I80 being closed frequently. Getting stuck in a blizzard won't be any fun at all in an EV.
I would imagine as EVs become more mainstream, storm surge flooding is going to generate a lot more fires when the city is probably already in a state of emergency.
It's obvious to me, the mentality of people that preach how safe these EV's are (1) haven't had the opportunity to have one explode or catch fire while in their garage and burn their home to the ground or parked in a parking garage (2) haven't the intelligence to realize they are NOT environmentally friendly when researching how lithium batteries are made, the chemicals used, how the chemicals are gathered in 3rd world countries, how the vehicles are shipped on diesel powered ships, and the expensive infrastructure needed to charge these vehicles. They are fooling themselves thinking they are fixing Climate Change' but in reality they are ruining the climate on the other side of the world and it's just a matter of time before it backfires world-wide.
Virtue signalers aren't known for their intelligence or integrity. The lie of the century is the CO2 is a pollutant when its actually plant food as any sixth grade science student knows.@@larrybruce4856
Eco-mugs. They lapped up the climate emergency propaganda and want to show all the plebs how virtuous they are. A combination of failure to do basic research and smugness has doomed many to buy vehicles that will be worthless when they come to sell them and are increasingly difficult to insure. Add to this the actually real danger from the chemicals in the batteries and not only do you have a crap idea but one that causes more damage to the environment than a traditional car. This is what happens when you trust a child who didn't complete school to educate you about the world without questioning who's paying her or why the media are platforming someone with no credentials.
Yep, it's all 'safe and effective'. Even when it's been imagined, developed, and brought to market in less than a year and jabbed straight into the arms of the most complex organisms that we know about....US.
They should make a special tow hitch that once you're at the boat ramp ready to unload/load, the hitch itself extends out a good distance to allow the trailer to travel a couple feet without having the vehicle move at all.
Your insurance is going up because these are on the road! (shakes head) EV planet saver, carbon saver towing huge fuel guzzling ski boat! Elect that man to Congress!
EV greenwashers keep harping about how EVs are 100X less likely to spontaneously combust than ICEVs, though they fail to acknowledge that the average EV today is only 2-3 years old while the average ICEV is 12 years old. Yeah, I suspect EV fires from corrosion and wear will be far more common 10 years from now, just like it is with ICEVs. With ICEVs, fires start most commonly from frayed wiring or oil drips on a catalytic converter or DPF. With EVs, you will still have fires from frayed wires and instead of oil leaks on cat/DPF, it'll be moisture infiltration into the battery pack and other battery pack faults.
If I had an EV, I would park it far, far away from my home, garage, any structure, or any other vehicle. These appear to be TIMEBOMBS just waiting to go off. Insurance must be expensive.
This is interesting. With Truck manufactures going with large batteries as well on EV or Hybrid versions of their trucks.. And it's very common to see a truck pulling a boat. I wonder how water tight those batteries on those trucks are.
They need vents to relieve gas pressure. The vents could be plumbed up to a higher point, e.g. the roof line, to prevent water ingress while wading (the cooling effect of immersion draws air into the battery chamber) but I haven't heard of any EVs advertising such a feature.
@@JohnDough-d6o I haven't actually heard of any, but if the inlet (or combined inlet/outlet) vent was made with a threaded fitting or nipple on the outside, I see no reason in couldn't be done. It would be a bit like a more serious version of the old aftermarket muscle car battery relocation boxes (used to move the battery, a heavy lump of lead and acid, out of the front of the engine bay to the rear of the car, over the rear wheels for better traction when drag racing) with a tube to vent the hydrogen gas released as the battery charged out of the boot/trunk and/or cabin.
Nobel Laureate Al Gore just preached this year that the oceans are boiling. Meanwhile, California had the coldest, wettest winter in about 50 years...yeah, boiling alright.
@@scottw5315Global warming is about GLOBAL warming. Aka the world average. Saying "but California was cold this winter" is to entirely miss the point. Also, Al Gore isn't a climate researcher.
Don't try to lecture me #sshole. All the climate soothsayers have is forty years of failed predictions and millions of miles flown in there private jets to show for their lies. @@logitech4873
Do only thing that we have been missing over the last few years of the EV experience is the government official saying that Extremely Volatile cars are completely 'safe and effective' 😂😂😂
Biden and his administration would never say "Extremely Volatile cars are completely safe and effective" because I believe Biden is getting kickback from China to mandate and push solar panels, wind generators, and these EV TIMEBOMBS onto the public just like he's been getting kickbacks from Mexican Cartel to allow open borders and drugs to flood America.
Extremely Volatile, thats just great, must remember that one. Also in China, BYD means Build Your Dreams or as I say, Burn Yourself to Death which has happened.
Great video . Could you give us more detais about the vents of the battery ? or maybe make an in depth video about the dangers of these vents ? i see a lot of jet flames from those vents in some ev fires . Thanks
Sure thing! Every vehicle handles this a little differently. Some are fairly robust, some are not. Some use the main seal between the tray/cover as the thermal runaway vent.
I saw a repairvideo of a Tesla battery, and it had like a rubber vent the mechanic could open up by hand and look into the battery more or less. It looked like it was facing the rear of the car. Maybe it was broken no idea, but it was like a orange vent.
@@sergiuu280 Its been a while since I saw it so no idea which one it was. But if you google Inspect For Missing High Voltage (HV) Battery Breather Valves then you get a picture on how it looked like in the video, edit( (if you find the right one, ints a orange plastic part with a red rubber circle) and the red circle was made out of rubber and could be easily put open. I will try to find the video and come back.
@@sergiuu280 Ah I google image, and if you search for " 3 Клапан вентиляции основной батареи С2 С3 Tesla model 3 model Y 1098630-00-G " you will see different anges of the sparepart, and see that the red circle is open on the backjside.. with just a rubber membrane keeping water outside.
I’m an electrical engineering student, let me explain why it’s burning underwater and it’s simply due to electrolysis. Batteries and saltwater tick the box, so It’s generating hydrogen and oxygen. Oxygen so it can burn underwater (obviously an oxidiser), and hydrogen which is increasing the flammability.
I'm amazed at how many people will spend $50-100K to be EV guinea pigs. The rest of us who didn't are truly grateful for your efforts to illustrate exactly what we don't need or want.
“Safe, reliable, and affordable.” Except for 3000 degree fires that can melt concrete, not charging or working to range in the cold, increased repair and insurance rates, being 2000 lbs heavier than an ICE equivalent, the damage they do to other vehicles, waiting in line for hours to charge, limited driving range you can’t charge them in your garage, the environmental impacts of fires and disposal, being locked out because of low charge, tire and road wear, slave/child labor to mine for minerals, the amount of carbon based fuels used to mine, refine, manufacture, and transport them, the amount of plastics needed to reduce the weight, so yea they make perfect sense don’t they?
"not charging or working to range in the cold" Huh? What do you mean? EVs charge just fine in the cold, and heatpump models have pretty good range in the cold as well. "Increased repair and insurance rates" Average repair cost for EVs is about on par with ICE cars. I haven't noticed my insurance being higher. "Being 2000lbs heavier" Which EV is 2000lbs heavier than which ICE car? "You can't charge them in your garage" Yeah you can? Just get a level 2 charger installed properly. Garage charging is super common. "Being locked out because of low charge" This isn't an EV thing, it's an electronic lock thing. I had this happen to me with a Skoda diesel car!
When cars started becoming popular, they were killing pedestrians every day. People didn't understand how to safely cross a busy street. There were no crosswalks, no traffic signals, no traffic signs, no safety regulations, no seatbelts, speed limits, or airbags. People just did what they wanted and a ton of people died. Do you know how cars survived it? People decided that cars were worth saving, and they made the effort to fix the problems. When people actually care, anything is possible.
You can seal the battery packs all you want. It's the current draw from shorting out everything attached to it. A thermal overload cut off at the pack with manual reset. Problem being no one would be allowed to reset it without written consent from the insurance company. Reality can be very inconvenient.
I don't believe you can "seal the batter packs" as they need a certain amount of ventilation for internal gasses to escape. The batter packs also need space to expand and contract under hot summer and cold winter weather conditions. Moisture, specifically saltwater creates a chemical reaction causing explosions and fires in EVs.
@@larrybruce4856 If you can smell manky water just getting in a Tesla it doesn't bode well for any claims. They are made to limp to 8 years at best. I'll be keeping chickens in a 2023 model X before the new ice ban ever happens.
All those nasty chemicals going straight into the water must be really good for the environment! 😖 Certainly better than CO2 out of an exhaust pipe. Oh, hang on....
@@fayenotfaye That depends on whether you class CO2 as "pollution". The amount of toxic chemicals ONE EV fire is dumping directly into the air, soil, water table etc. is thousands of times more toxic and dangerous than what a modern ICE car emits in normal use. You can make the argument "well most electric cars aren't burning" but they don't need to be. They cause enough damage during production with all that cobalt and lithium mining + processing, and if even 1/1000 EVs catches fire thats still an environmental disaster given how popular they are becoming.
I'm curious IF is it polluting when this happens (which is very rare) and what it's polluting. Usually when things are combusting bad stuff is produced.
I see them in water when either there is a lot of rain, and going in a viaduct, or when you are leaving your boat into the water, part of the rear of the car is usually inside the water.
One thing is for certain..... Corrosion is never good for the battery housing in the long run.. Tesla is currently attempting to mitigate the problem with Stainless Steel on their Cyber Truck....But is running into countless issues along the way...Which is currently turning into a cost nightmare for them, and potential cost nightmare for the end consumer... In the meantime, the whole thing is turning into a running joke.
Keeping a the battery box structure sealed is a big concern for an EV. I suspect EVs in northern climates will have an issue as the vehicles age. I've also seen the vehicles that spend a lot of time near the ocean will have corrosion issues, which often causes leakage. Steel fasteners in an aluminum cover, for example, can eventually cause a leak path.
My guess would be yes. Salt causes corrosion and corrosion seems to be one of many issues with lithium batteries used in EV's. I'm surprized home.auto insurance companies would insure EV's especially with many homes being burned to the ground while EV's were parked in the garage.
When they were first talking about the self-driving capabilities of the Teslas I was wondering with all the cameras and AI if it would be able to maneuver a boat trailer down a ramp. I thought it could come in handy with all the difficulties drivers have at boat ramps. Perhaps that wouldn't be the best idea. They could run into some problems with visual depth perception or other methods when trying to "read" the water with all the changing conditions in regard to water reflections and wave action.
@@mousetreat Some drives do. And traffic cones have confused Teslas. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RZPeB_i05JQ.htmlsi=cDjurX1SGMz1Y5qR
I don't think these fires ignited just because of saltwater. Any kind of water will cause a short in the batteries. And if there's enough water, like when the vehicles becomes submerged, that will cause them to get so hot that they ignite. The solution would be to make the battery housing totally watertight and have an automatic cut-off to disconnect the battery from the rest of the car. Looks like there's still a lot of work to do to make EVs safe for the public.
Although salt water is undoubtedly more damaging, any water is problematic regarding electrical systems. I do wonder what the effect was on all those EV's and hybrids that got 'waterlogged' in the Chinese floods which were, we are told, caused by excess river water. I guess we'll never know.
@@nathangoshawk Water itself doesn't conduct electricity. It's the ions in the water. These can be salt or other impurities. As a rule, the dirtier the water or the more salt in it the better it conducts electricity.
There have been many cases of EVs flooded by freshwater with no issue. However, I did just learn of an event, similar to the ones mentioned here, that involved freshwater.
@@CawKee True! But... the battery cells are watertight. My flash light has one and I can drop it into water without it igniting. But I guess a damaged cell would ignite in water.
@@CawKee You acted exactly how I would have. Electrical equipment is usually quite water resistant. Water only damages it when an electrical charge is applied. Let the equipment fully dry out again before switching it on and the chances are it will still work. This only applies to mains powered equipment. Battery driven equipment has a far lower survival rate. Best practice is to remove the battery when not in use to raise survival rate.
Cars like Tesla have most advanced thermal management of the battery. But do they have warning system for people in the car or warning for the app? Something like "Alert! Battery Thermal Runaway. Leave the car immediately!" They do have temperature sensors, so computer could see it and send a warning.
You are correct, the BMS does monitor battery cell/module temperature. Most vehicles will alert the occupant and shut down the vehicle if they detect a problem with the battery. As for alerting owners via the app? I've heard stories of having "alerts" on phones when thermal runaway occurs, however I'm not certain on what those alerts look like. The newer GB standard (China) requires a notification/alert 5 minutes before any smoke/fire is visible.
The lady in one of the cars that rolled into the lake said the car kept giving her a warning to get out of the car due to temps and she couldn't get out for a few minutes
So is there a way to cut it open? Or some kind of really cold extinguishing agent for the fact that these fires get really hot? Oh and thanks for explaining exploding electronic devices too in the other video
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It is a chemical reaction causing thermal runaway, not a fire in the conventional sense. Can only let it burn out, dont go anywhere near it to try to put it out, absolutely toxic.
no..... once thermal runaway has started, it is only exhausted by a lack of fuel.... i.e. no more lithium battery left. Yes you can cool it in a general way by immersion in water.... but the fire (thermal runaway) continues underwater as water supplies the reaction going on with the lithium.....but keeps it a little bit cooler than if it were exposed to the air. And less smokey. So no real advantage at the end of the story.
@@softwarephil1709 Don't go scaring people for no reason, this happens when the car is submerged in salt water, and might just be something Tesla could fix with better battery sealing.
Fun fact: Pure water doesn't actually conduct electricity; it's the stuff IN the water that does that. Salt water is actually a much better conductor of electricity than fresh because of this, not to mention extremely corrosive.
The first time I saw a Tesla batter-pack I realized that fourteen thousand interconnected electrical devices when put to task cannot but result in a catastrophic thermal failure.
But that technology is in the EV. You're splitting hairs. The risk is inherent in the EV because of it. Until new safer batteries come on the market the risk is present, and insurance premiums will reflect that fact.
Dairies used them for local deliveries, years ago, and railway companies had small artics for local deliveries. Not the same batteries as today I presume . . .
I am from germany. Several month ago, we had a TESLA burning down. Firefighters came, try their best, but the TESLA won't stop burning. Ignites again and again. Then they ordered a container, fill it up with hydrant water (drink water) and hooked the car up by crane to dump it in there. Then at the Junkyard, 45-60 minutes later, they released the water, and the TESLA starts burning again. So they filled it up again. I don't hate E-vehicles. I own an electric Motorcycle, and this thing doesn't have any problems. But i have to say, it is loading slow with the regular house plugs. So there isn't really a heat problem in side the batteries. And i own it for 2 years now.
theres a lot of moisture in the air itself. If you can imagine a window gets "wet" when it gets cold enough to condense moisture in the air, with the battery being open to the outside air and not being sealed and shielded by inert gas this will ultimately cause the same damage
Tesla packs are sealed. It takes a great deal of pressure to open the vents. Sort of like a pressure relief valve. If you don't submerge your battery in the ocean, you're fine.
@@CodyDavis91small rock on roads have causes tesla's batteries to lose their sealings and burn. Since the battery cannot be replace, if you hit your tesla with some rock, it is possible you lost the entire car. It can be fix but tesla wont do it so, if you fix it yourself. You are on your own
So, saltwater won't necessarily discharge the battery. Hmmmmmm. In other words, even the latest tactic (low-temp, saltwater immersion) is no assurance that the thermal runaway can mitigated,, extinguished.
Why? The footage of how it burns is valuable . When acvidents occur wheter is a car, plane or boat it very useful to have footage since it gives you a lot of info about how the accident happened. Why it did continue, who is at fault, etc
@@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225 simple mutual respect amongst fellow human beings. Now if she shot it, then asked for permission to post, I have no issue with that. It's not that serious, it's just about mutual respect.
A lot of people don't realize that saltwater is more conductive than fresh water and will produce a more significant source of energy transmission across larger gaps between electrical contacts that are saturated or submerged. Fire departments are discovering that saltwater is more effective at extinguishing an EV fire more quickly only because it causes the inevitable runaway to happen quicker and more thoroughly so as to be extinguished sooner. Just goes to show that the brighter the fire the shorter the burn.
In radiocontrol we used to dispose of dangerous lithium batteries dropping them on a bucket with salt water before sending them to recicle. Just to discharge them if using them for the last time was risky. And also to deeply discharge them. The more salty, higher the discharge current for a given poles displacement. The high voltaje connectors of EV batteries have "O-Rings" that get bad too easy, and im pretty sure almost all of them are not waterproof submerged. With the usual separation between poles you Will have a shortcircuit with seawater. Also, the venting port mentioned on the video dont need to "fail". You have a hot pack from towing the boat, and a sudden inmersión on cold water wich contracts the Air inside causing a suction. If the vent port or any Broken sealing is underwater....
Except that method of battery disposal doesn't actually work reliably. It corrodes the connections. You would need to slice the battery open for salt water to work, but that's definitely not recommended. Discharging the pack to zero with a discharger and then twisting the cables together is a far more reliable method.
I understsnd that firemen are given special training in electric vehicle crash sites, especially when confronting a fire. The best that they can do is prevent anyone from approaching the fire and preventing the fire from spreading to other vehicles or objects. Adding water to an ev fire is not recommended. They are trained to let the fire burn out and keep their distance. It was mentioned somewhere that a major national car rental company is reconsidering the use of electric vehicles due to the added cost of insurance due to the fire risk.
Let it burn: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mNYwpTrYYBM.html Hertz made a push to have a large offering of EVs. They recently stated, and they are going to scale back due to higher costs and higher depreciation.
This is a fair video, however it is important to point out that Tesla's with LFP batteries or structural battery packs are completely sealed and don't have vents at all. The 1 possible exception to this is the CyberTruck which instead seems to have a "wade mode" which pressurizes the battery pack from the inside, to prevent the seals from allowing water in. LFP cells are also incredibly hard to get into thermal run-away as are the 2170 and 4680 chemistries without cobalt. 1 of those was shot at least 4 times by an AK47 by Hamas and despite the vehicle taking over 70 rounds, the driver made it out safely. Another Model Y drove off a 250 foot cliff and all 4 passengers sustained only minor injuries, the worst being a broken leg.
Even though it's a pretty old example, when discussing corporate incompetence, my go-to argument is that back in the 70s, Ford and Chevy had 10 years to copy a Toyota or Datsun and the end result was Pinto and Vega.
