Tesla Giga Press will CRUSH 

Its a weapon, yes, but its hardly a secret!.. The secret weapon is the 4680 battery cell, which will drive cost down so much, Tesla will always be able to undercut its competition, and still make a ton of money on each car... The legacy car industry have itself committed for YEARS to the pouch cell and moduled pack platforms (VW MEB platform, GM Ultium battery platform, Stellantis also has such a platform.. Yeah, they copied Tesla from about a decade ago..) and with that they are stuck with a battery system that is at least twice as expensive and much heavier than what Tesla will make.. Add to that the battery supply constraints legacy has. preventing them to ramp up production of EV's to Tesla levels, the old fashioned body and white designs, the 69 different models and 420 option packages they have to manage.. Really, you must be a dumb ass moron to invest in GM, Ford or VW. IMHO they are all doomed. Its really sad to see this happen, I drove a BMW electric car prototype, about 10 years ago, with a more or less cubic battery at the place of where the engine normally is, it was a BMW 3 series body of that time. I drove it up and down the runway of a former military airport, man that car was quick!.. It was the moment I knew.. This IS the future, gas is done!... Since then I started to look into electric cars, but it took a decade before something hit the market that suits my needs AND wallet!.. The Tesla Model Y.. I briefly looked at BMW, but it is no way near to what Tesla has to offer, the Model Y is a much more capable car and costs less! Placed my order almost a year ago, and right now so stoked it will be a Next Gen Model Y, made in Berlin, with all these new technologies, will be an amazing car!

Re: Many giga-castings appearing outside factories, Any idea of how many precasted Model Y chassis "sets" will be needed to prime the production line prior to start-up?

Injection mould casting is standard practise for smaller parts. The only difference is Elon's willingness to go big. Other manufacturers must follow suit or die. Fortunately for them there are many engineers who know hoe to design for aluminium casting. It will be more difficult to copy Tesla's battery design.

Yeah, this is huge! You did a VERY good job breaking everything down and explaining the technology, too! Great video!

The casting machine is not a secret weapon. Buying the company that makes them would be of very little value to Tesla. That machine will last for many years. What is really interesting is the molds that go into the machine. Because of the high heat, they don't last very long, and because of their large size, there are very few companies that can make them and repair them. They'll wear them out almost as fast as they can build new ones.

wonder what size tip they're running 8 or 10 inch, I ran 2500ton in squeeze cast cold chamber, on bedplates super heavy walled casting, all slow shot with multiplyer kicking in at 9 inches from end of shot, with vacum

It looks like a standard die casting machine used for metal and plastic.

Yes, but zey dint zign ze paperz !

@@tubester4567 No it use a special aluminum for the Giga press because the normal aluminum can cool at different temperatures so it can cause cracking.

@@Madame702 Yah but the machine itself isnt new, its a standard die casting machine, just big.

@@tubester4567 Great news Tesla Giga Texas will have massive Tesla Power Pack batteries on site. Elon Musk is going to turn Tesla Giga Texas into a electric vehicle. This is great news this force GM, and Ford to also do the same to their factories.👍⭐😊

Tesla have re-designed mass production, as Henry Ford did a century or so ago.

@C M its not a weight reduction to a modern spaceframe, they are doing it because they have massiv problems in their us Factories. They had big problems with their workforce and their robots. Its also alot cheaper than investing in more modern designs.

@@davidtuer5825 no they did not. they just bought the solution from Idra Group like almost all other parts for their cars.

How do you suspect the average Joe fix there CAST cars? Having multiple parts allows parts to be fixed rather than stressing and buying another

Sure, there will be trade-offs, especially regarding insurance claims, but you will have a safer car that saves lives in the long run that should be affordable with low maintenance.

Or not, if it increases weight and cost using aluminium rather than steel. Only works with large volume runs.

Dave, I just wanted to say thanks for this comment. Kind regards, Bret.

Cut one head and two more shall take its place. Hail Hydra! ☠

that is correct, if the integrity of the vehicle is compromised, the insurance company will buy you out. It would cost too much to repair and restore it back to the original levels of safety. The fear that the vehicle can't be repaired is just FUD.

lmfao what. What does even mean? Tolerances for what?

@@mechanomics2649 The famous tesla body gap. They always been known for having body gap issues. These one big piece molds should solve a lot of the issues.

You guys understand how microscopic one Micron is, right? That's not happening. They'll get tight tolerances, not by the microns. Not even close

Unfortunately I will have to totally disagree with you, even with those castings tesla will still be worse than a cheap vw up panel gaps, not to mention the interior. Tesla has no improvement in quality control or whatsoever. Cars still needs stampings for doors, hood, fenders, trunk...... they will still need to be aligned.

@@alanmay7929 Ignorance is not a virtue, you have no idea what you are talking about.. 600 less robots, thousands parts less.. Of course this helps improve quality, because it removes 600 opportunities to add flaws. Plus these mega castings are accurate up to the micron level... No spring back, no warps, no stress. Just watch Munro Live talking about this, he explains it very well.

Die engineering is an entirely separate field. For a die of this size & complexity, I would not be surprised if the cost of the die rivals the machine itself.

@@ChrisCiber Well you will indeed be surprised... The die costs are trivial compared the cost of the press. Educate yourself before making stupid statements... What is your source for this opinion? I have worked in a die workshop.

@@stevebothe1416 Example cost comparison? I used to study (didn't end up going into the field though, so I can't tell for sure) manufacturing planning and engineering, and that is what we were told repeatedly. It seems that each additional step can add increasing cost (in R&D, not die material).

Die care not that hard to make even the big press. Other manufacturers have been even using magnesium aloys castings.....

@@ChrisCiber its not that complex, CAD and structural tests exist for that, other car companies have been doing racing and many other very heavy constructions and have materials departments where they develop carbon fiber, comlosite materials, aloys......

I am in Canada. ....would love Tesla insurance.

Tesla has insurance?

They need to hurry up and make it available every where

To my mind, the main criterion for insurance is not cost of premiums but how they handle claims. Are payouts prompt and efficient, or do they try to avoid/delay paying?

@@tomgray971 lol my insurance went from 1400 a year for two gas cars to 2200 with lower coverage for two Tesla’s.

Uhm nope its not the right decision, the ford electric truck is a good example of how vehicles should be made, trucks are made to be modified and customised unlike the cybertruck. Also tesla doesn't sell parts.

@@alanmay7929 The point that I was making related only to the process of manufacturing and I am correct. As to whether or not something is customizable or has parts available is a separate discussion.

@@ThisIsToolman thats what she said LOL

@@alanmay7929 ICYMI, TE's deft assessment of challenges facing ICE makes attempting to transition a 99% ICE maket to electric despite EV's mere 1% penetration. That's without piling on about dendrite/swelling-prone, non-structural capable, pouch formats vs tabless cells. Hate seeing them do so poorly, so early in the game! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jWe_c1yCLg0.html

@@Crunch_dGH what are you trying to justify here?! Lol

Agreed they'll have a tough time copying that without a dedicated metallurgical team. Though it's likely not patented, but probably a trade secret, similar to the recipe for Coke for example.

Its most likely better not to patent in that case. I just went through my first filing and you have to disclose everything. Once that patent expires...fair game.

Why is it difficult to copy the alloy? I thought mass spectrometry should identify the elements and ratios very easily.

They actually patented it and Munroe revealed a big part of the ingredients. But it's most likely not a patent Tesla will give away for free

@@jasonburbank2047 My thought exactly...

Yep, Berlin has also 2 giga presses, makes sense, one for the front and one for the aft section

The problem I have with using castings for large structural frame members is the invitation of fractures, especially in accidents. we see it enough in small suspension components.

@@dbspecials1200 the Tesla presses don't use regular casting technique as the metal is pressed into place. Also the machines have built in x ray inspection to check for imperfections.

@@clutchboi4038 you do know that xray is not a superweapon right? Identifying the crack we are talking about here is nearly next to impossible. Tesla is not a futuristic supercompany from the outer space. They are using current technology and diecasting is diecasting my dude you will have faults.

@@clutchboi4038 They are not Tesla presses, they are IRDA presses from Italy.

Wow, thanks!

@@TMIOTesla Sorry but you really do sound like a Tesla FanBoy: Tesla currently continues to make serious mistakes due to arrogance, such as their "autopilot mode" & even their refusal to add a sound generator to their cars, so they don't run over blind people with a white cane because these pedestrians can't hear the Tesla. Not to mention the experiences of Rich Rebuilds being repeatedly threatened by Tesla... By the way, the Chevy Bolt is a much better practical commuter EV than any of the Tesla models. Of course, the Bolt doesn't come with Ferrari ownership costs just like the Teslas do. Had Tesla played its cards right, they wouldn't be criticized by me or the Automotive Press, but since Tesla continues to behave just like GM & Ford did before the UAW, the criticism is due...

Cost, weight, reliability, safety

Afaik when the frame is damaged the vehicle is trashed, so this doesnt change anything in that regard

@@johnuferbach9166 it depends on the frame damage. Some of it can be fixed if it’s worth it

These are diecasting machines. Not just a dumb press. Its all about injecting high speed molten metal into a die at a variable flow and pressures. Clamping pressure is important but far from the real challenge.

@@soulhair9647 i watched the whole video, so, while I appreciate your comment, I'm totally aware of that. My point was simply that the pressures they're speaking of are really nothing extraordinary, there's a great video about the government's heavy press program that explains why there so unique and vital for maintaining an edge in the world economy. Thanks for your position though. 😀 Have a great night man. 😎🇺🇸

I've heard accounts of vehicles being written off simply because the airbags deployed, so as you say, any accident serious enough to damage the casting would bend the structure of a conventional car to the extent it's written off. Of course if the casting is bolted to the adjacent structure, maybe it, and the body panels attached can be disassembled then rebuilt with new parts as required? That could result in a perfectly straight vehicle rather than one that's "close"?

That's exactly what I was thinking

In World War II the Germans or making single piece lightweight airplane parts but the Allies were riveting and building together. Some of these big huge process were disassembled and sent to us and I think the Soviet Union got their hands on a couple.

Dont matter to Musk ! - Insurance replaces smashed up car - teslas just sell another ! More profit to Musk ?

The simple answer is that cars with the kind of damage you refer to are written of, whether EV or ICE. You smack a modern car side on and it will bend and that is not reparable, it will be written off.. Well it is but it is not a viable financial operation.

These days insurance companies write the car off if a panel is dinged or the pain is scratched

Pun intended? :)

@@TMIOTesla Good catch! It was unintended surprisingly.

But it's not a press so no impact

@@jonbong98 Illogical

@@jonbong98 the mold is evacuated and filled with liquid metal in 110miliseconds, roughly a tenth of a second. Some kinetic shock might be noted

WOOHOO!

people who get upset about this distinction i usually find are on the less intelligent side

@@t_c5266 I'm delighted. You seem upset?

@@rogerstarkey5390 No. just a conclusion ive drawn from all the discussions ive seen about this. and the end of the day, metric people cant handle anything more complicated than dividing by 10

It isn't Elon coming up with the stuff. It's the people working under him that do.

Wow, thank you!

Sandy Munro disassemble one Elon Musk electric engine he doesn't know how to reserve engineer it.👍⭐

Yes I think you're right, but apparently he also bought 2 model 3's in 2018. Not sure if he tore both down, or just tore one down fully www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-teardown-deconstructed-3/

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@@captainTubes No, why you got some?

What do you do in your garage

@@mroogabooga8763 all kinds of little stuff

yes i agree, i've had 2 cars written off in last 8 years. When cost of repairs get high enough then insurance will pay you out and then they sell car either to crash repairer who can fix up car and sell it on getting some profit or car is broken down into parts and they are sold. When a cast aluminium structure as planned sustains enough force it will crack and be far too costly to repair. btw i live in Oz

If you are about to create 4000 cars an hour you really don't have time to let them cool off in air temperature. Also the ambient temperature would need to be heavily adjusted all the time to secure a constant production quality. It's much more efficient and more controllable environment to quench.

@@jonbeargenx he said 4000 castings a day not 4000 cars an hour.

@@alanmay7929 You're right. But it still is 4000 units which is the real point :)

You mean, like a toy car? ;-) I wouldn't be surprised.

Casting a whole car? Ew, no

Good point. But it seems like a good business idea because there's also going to be Tesla Insurance. Maybe if you buy this Tesla Insurance, you will be able to replace the whole frame for a small additional charge? Or a new car for a better price?

Could probably be repaired with a cutout piece and sold to Chinese market etc. as a 2nd hand vehicle. It's certainly not ideal from a repair point of view. Either that or entire bolted section removed and replaced at a huge cost, and you only have one place that can supply the part... Tesla.

I question the overall impact safety upon collision. Using aluminum vs steel? Remember when the Corvette in the 60's/70's came out with a fiberglass body? How safe was that? There must be a formulae out there that solves the question of what is best for the human occupant when a crash occurs. Auto manufacturers has second guessed this for decades. The impact bumper of 1970 and airbags come to mind. Any one here to reply would be of value to our group here. Thanks, Ziggy

@@ziggy979 They can cast in exact safety features into the section where required, that can make for an incredibly safe vehicle. The bad part in a severe accident is it will crush and stay crushed and likely be very hard to cut someone out of, unlike a thinner steel car, but that is conjecture.

@@ziggy979 you do know that didn’t change right ? It’s been primarily fiberglass with some aluminum and very little steel in the corvettes, they’ve even made a carbon edition recently that was primarily carbon fiber including the chassis

I can't afford that much alcohol.

yeah but they will catch up quick

@@parg60 Probably less than decade. Yeah.

@@parg60 My best guess regarding the German car makers is, that there is a 50/50 chance that they will make it... You have to see one thing: Companies like Tesla are doing this stuff for 20 years. The only thing we Germans did, was to make the old fashioned way more efficient. Innovation is dead inside those companies. PLUS today most of the development is outsourced to lower cost. Look at FEV in Aachen for example. Those guys could totally make a car on their own...

GM and Ford are already dominating the north American market, and their flagships haven't even launched yet. I'm not sure about Europe and likely not Asia, but Canada, America and Mexico will still be dominated by the big 3 (for better or for worse) www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/ford-is-beating-tesla-in-one-of-the-most-ev-saturated-m-1847009876/amp

Yeah but now look it that way: Tesla is competing against companies that have the infrastructure of producing cars for far more than 50 years, but still manages to be conpared to those. I don't see many of the old guard still be around in let's say 25 years from now...

🤣👍Agree

Yeah, they started using stuff thats been around for ages, but put giga in front

The alloy being used is the real difference here

Won’t be many crashes with self driving vs human error plus Tesla will offer insurance based on low accident statistics

Self driving cars are still years away

@Paul S Self-driving cars will never be "Safe", unless there are no Pedestrians, Cyclists, or other Human-driven vehicles on the road. Keep in mind that we have had Commerical Aircraft that are effectively self-piloted since the 1990s. They were always systems that required a pilot, but effectively those zero visibility landings on Commercial Flights were done by the Auto-Landing Feature... Self-Piloted Aircraft are possible because the Pilot & Air Traffic Control still kept an eye out for Birds & Light Aircraft flown by a pilot, so there were no accidents like the Tesla missing a roof crashing into a house with a headless driving behind the wheel. As the Computers on the Tesla viewed the Semi-Tractor Trailer as sky because it was painted white and the day was overcast...

@@davidhollenshead4892 super dumb comment bro, teslas are already 2x safer than other cars because of the features (not self driving). The self driving is already better than most humans statistically, you havent got a clue how computers are changing the world apparently.

@Paul S you underestimate highly. The value of the autopilot has gone up very fast. Soon it will be 15k, then 20k. It will reach 100k within a few short years and be full level 5 at that point, an appreciating asset. Check the master plan, we are right on schedule.

or just years of normal use. metal fatigue. we don't normally use cast aluminum for a structure which flexes and vibrates in normal daily use. I don't understand their thinking..

@@lorenzo42p uh, airplane wings? Yeah, there are time and cycle limits for the fuselage, but the wings see much more stress and flex per flight and cycle

Not riveted, welded. Also it's still better than having so many parts in one litlle space. half rivited half welded. Overall it is better durablity than most

@@m-2718 weakest link breaks your car

@@lorenzo42p And well previously there was 370 of thoes posible weak links

@@m-2718 a solid casting can have any number of defects or stress concentrations in the shape. their choice of material doesn't make sense to me.

@@lorenzo42p Aluminium, silicon, quite standart, why doesn't make sense ? Aslo yes, i aware of casting defects, stess concentrations is something that good design should remove

Thanks for your insight!

yes America has several very large forging presses, the giga is an injection mold press for molten aluminum. not as impressive force wise but much more complex technically. side note why does tesla latch "giga" onto everything

this assumes that you can arc weld the alloy and not fuck up the heat treatment...seeing the copper content, I'd be skeptical about that... Also Tesla is kinda' famous for being dicks about independent repairs. What's more likely is that the crashed car will be scrapped, the chassis is one of the cheaper components anyway. Save the battery pack = more then 50% of the value of the car. Even the other parts would be valuable, as new OEM parts are $$$ and you can't buy all of them from Tesla, they simply refuse to sell some of them.

Ah cool

Nope it will change nothing. Tesla is just taking another way because they dont have all the equipments that other companies already have.

@@alanmay7929 ummmm……what?

Imagine the shop estimate to repair a simple fender bender. "What!!!! I have to replace the entire body!" lol

True , this process isn’t much different than plastics injection molding or transfer molding just on a massive scale .

@@ccrider3435 i mean if ot cost the same, why not?

Wtf!?

I agree. Munroe said " on hit in the rear on a tesla Y means the tesla with be totaled...."

Actually, what Elon Musk did was say why can't automakers use this press they said because when the aluminum cools at different temperature it cracks. So good luck with that. Elon Musk said wait who said we have to use aluminum? So Elon Musk team invented a new aluminum alloy that can with stand the different temperature differences and make giga press work.

Bruh! Your companies are being run by MBA's. Tesla car company is being run by Tony Stark. LOL😁👍

The real question is - are these presses going to be strong enough to crush the T-800, when Musk's AI becomes self aware.

Ok , let the Tesla model S, again you 4 door sedan. Let race and see how good your car is.

@@Madame702 / you want to race or compare build quality? Because I win both. My car is an EV conversion with an E-crate conversion kit and even with the batteries I’m about a 1000 lb lighter than a Tesla. And I didn’t have any of the restrictions (safety, pedestrian friendly bumpers etc...) to worry about. The removable roof panels were replaced with solar panels and it has a custom EV control unit with tablet interface similar to a Tesla. So comparing my car to a mass produced vehicle wouldn’t make much sense, but comparing a Tesla to a comparably priced vehicle from another manufacturer would. And like I said the cars tech and performance are outstanding but their fit and finish is shit. They charge customers out the ass for a car with massive gaps in the body panels, and those panels look like they were trimmed with a set of nail clippers, a BMW on the other hand doesn’t have those issues

@@limabravo6065 LOLahahahaha 🤣 Think it so cute that you think can compete with us. We all know that you "Socialist" want to work a 40 hour work week. Elon Musk works 100 hours a week sometimes. He doesn't even have a office at this factory and can find sleeping on the roof of factory he is so dedicated.

@@limabravo6065 But if you want race no problem Lima Bravo. Tesla car company now has a Super Computer A.I. that can computer 1,000 Petaflops per second. Lima Bravo, where did Lima Bravo go???? LOL ahahahahaaha 😁😂🤣

@@limabravo6065 You see Lima Bravo your not even on same level as Tesla, your just a pretender to throne. You know what all those MBA's that work at the other car company's are going to say to you Lima Bravo, f**k you!!!! Were not giving up our bonus at the end the year so you can build some Super Computer. Who the hell are you telling us what to do??? Nerd!!!!!!!! LOL hahahahahaha 🤣😂😁

Wow they should hire you for your amazing engineering insight!

why because of their size? die castings are already used in many high strength light weight applications. albeit smaller applications

@@red66chevy - Hafta see it to believe it. That's some CHEEP stuff. It reeks of mickey mouse. Very poor advertising when word gets around. Quality shot.

@@RC_Engineering - Yes.

Staying fresh is incredibly wasteful. Tesla are going to change the game altogether.

@@garethrobinson2275 I see people saying this kind of thing about anything Musk touches only to find out that he isn't changing the game but recycling ideas in an effort to reinvent the wheel. The hyperloop is wasteful but that hasn't stopped Elon from pushing it.

I agree but the term Giga Press is coined by Idra, not Tesla.

you have that backwards, aluminum deforms and absorbs energy of impact. steel does not. modern aluminum cars are safer for that reason.

@@Zreknarf yes and no. Aluminium cars are I guess from dural, which is used also for airplanes or TS which aee more flexible. According composition this seem to be silumin which is not flexible and in molded parts are also bubles, so can be upredictable. Aluminium cars have high safety, but mostly due to weight, which is eliminated by batery in this case. But as I wrote is chalange, not impossible. Anyway is something new, testing will be expensive. And changes expensive too.

Because aluminum casting must be done under enormously high pressures to get the complex shapes and details to come out correctly. The bigger and more complex your piece, the exponentially higher pressure you need.

@@suunraze dude I’ve been asking this question for ages and you’re the first person with a reasonable explanation 🥳. *Any* explanation, for that matter.

Because of media/tesla idiocy Industry calls them diecasting machines. Plastic injection molding machines, which are very similar in function ,are also called injection molding machines and not presses. The only things industry calls presses are ,funnily enough, presses. Such as the sheet metal presses that form automotive body panels.

@@paulg3336 I had a feeling it was marketing shenanigans

@@suunraze I still don't get it. The only high pressure required here is the pump that pushes the molten aluminium into the mold. The mold can just be held shut with clamps - no press required. Is that's what is happening because it doesn't look like it?

Have you ever seen a manufacturing plant of any kind? Do you even have any idea what quality insurance is needed here? You know the one thing Tesla has real issues with? Mass producing these large parts are a guaranteed nightmare with a lot of concessions. Sorry but Tesla is playing the popularity game and trying to get their production up to date before others would catch up with software and marketing.

I agree. Similar to what Apple does, Tesla can make a large investment in its suppliers to prevent others from unexpectedly buying them out. Good idea

If it is a Chinese company I very much doubt the government would allow the sale to gwai-loh.

It's pretty easy to find out the composition of an alloy, it takes like 3min

Are you dumb?! You realise that its waste of ressources right! Its also more than 100 times more expensive than concrete. Go educate yourself.

@@alanmay7929 It'd be a lot cheaper to fly aluminum rings to mars than concrete or steel rings.

Solid state makes me want to wait

You do realise how many alloys are used in manufacturing? I would have gone with a magnesium based alloy as it is much stronger.

@@dikkybee4003 the alloys that can be used in these presses are specific from what I read. You can't just use anything as it needs to able to be squeezed out in a certain amount of time and need to be hardened in a certain amount of time

@@genejoo5552 Been working in die casting for the last 20+ years and what Tesla is doing is nothing new. Magnesium is lighter and stronger than Aluminium and we have been casting it for many years. You will find the alloy they are using is a modified alloy if not an alloy already being used. I have been using IDRA machines for years, nothing new here just scale size.

@@dikkybee4003 But magnesium is flammable. I'd stick with aluminum.

@@dikkybee4003 True , but it makes good headlines if it looks like something new .