Tesla Model 3 - Bloody Stupid Idea Removing The Indicator Stalks! (Highland) 

I’m American. We have a lot of roundabouts in my city too. I hate the idea of removing the stalks. If they had kept the stalks, I’d buy this as soon as it was available. Now I’ll wait until Tesla comes to their senses.

Totally agree. I wouldn't buy a car with basic controls that move. Even accessing heater controls through a screen is super annoying and distracting.

Yep. Agree 100%. Buttons are stupid for indicators.

I would not be surprised if there a number of countries around the world that insist on this setup with no stalks is not allowed

Bad design isn't opinion in this case. These on-wheel turning directions are dangerous.

Totally agree. Removal of both indicator and drive selector stalks is a terrible idea. This button removal obsession with all car manufacturers is getting stupid.

It is very strange that strict safety rules allowed this. I bet this will result in accidents.

This feels like the yoke all over again. They don't seem to ever think of situations when the wheel is turned.

Totally agree. Stupid decision. Not having a wiper stalk is also very very annoying!

Agree , it’s a really stupid idea and would stop me replacing my Model 3 with a new one.

Steering wheel controls are fine for tertiary functions like audio control (volume, next track, etc), because you shouldn't be messing with them while you are navigating a complex turn anyway. Turn signals are more important than that, and using wheel buttons is just a bad idea.

Removing the stalks was a huge mistake. It will affect sales negatively. Turn signal buttons on the wheel, that keeps moving around when turning the wheel is extremely frustrating to use in the EU and other places where we use mainly roundabouts. I decided not to get a new model S because of this. Can't stand those buttons. I had to constantly choose between looking down at the wheel or not indicating at all. After nearly crashing a few times when exiting roundabouts because I accidentally pressed the wrong button or didn't signal at all, I decided I was done and started looking at other brands instead. It's a shame that the refreshed model 3 is getting this as well, because the car looks like a big upgrade in many other ways. Stupid move by tesla! It's not safe to use and I'm actually surprised this is even legal in the EU. They should have kept the stalks, added a HUD or instrument cluster for the driver, and redesigned the back so that it became a true hatchback. That would have made the car far more desirable. By removing the stalks they achieve the opposite. Sure, most people could probably get used to it, eventually. But a lot just won't bother. The problem is that a lot of average people who are considering buying a tesla for the first time will be upset by this when they test drive the car, and end up going for another brand instead. I know a guy who wanted to buy the current model 3, but decided against it simply because he thought the camera-based auto wipers were so bad (and they are). Imagine how many people these new turn signal buttons will upset.. They take the car for a test drive, going through a few roundabouts and they will either fail to indicate at all, push the wrong button, or nearly crash because they're looking down at the wheel instead of looking at the road. Other people might be honking at them too for driving like an idiot and or not signaling. Not a great first experience. I can imagine a lot of people would rather just go buy something they're familiar with, rather than committing to "unlearning" 20 years of muscle memory.. So yeah, I totally agree. It's just plain stupid! Cost cutting taken to the extreme at the expense of usability and safety. This will come back and bite them in the ass for sure.

I've driven almost 20k kilometers in the M3 in the last 6 months. No indicator stalks would drive me insane especially in the Netherlands with record number of roundabouts. I really really hope they bring them back or offer it as an option, otherwise they'll definitely lose sales.

Hello from Norway. I'm now on my second Tesla. The first was a M3P and the current is a MYLR. I've really liked those two cars, but one of the things I don't like is the lack of stalk for the windshield wipers. After 3 years I'm used to it, but it still disrupts my natural driving flow. Now they've removed two more stalks, and I'm probably done with Tesla for this reason alone. What a shame, since Teslas are otherwise amazing cars. You say it perfectly and I totally agree with you, this is an incredible stupid idea by Tesla. Tesla, bring back the stalks!

If you don't think it's dangerous ... the number of times i've hit volume up instead of volume down when the steering wheel is upside down. Not only do you have to move your hands to press the button - you also have to remember the buttons are upside down!

You're absolutely right! I don't understand why other media outlets aren't critically addressing this issue. Isn't this idea in direct contrast to what Elon Musk himself referred to as the 'first principle'? It's just change for the sake of change, fundamentally not a smart idea at all.

It would totally put me off changing my current model 3 for a New one without the stalks . I’d rather keep the old one

I looked at the Model 3 before buying an i4, I didn't like the lack of driver display behind the steering wheel and having to do everything through the touchscreen. Even so it was a serious option, class leading efficiency and range. But this is the nail in the coffin, I will never buy a car without a safe way of indicating. As Andy says in the video, I suspect it will find its way back into the car within 18 months to 2 years.

I own a current Model 3, and to take remove the stalks is simply ridiculous. I won't be upgrading to the new M3.

I’m in far away Australia. I’ve just purchased my first Tesla, a Model 3 long range. I chose to get it now because I don’t want the new indicator arrangement on the updated Model 3. I’d have to think twice about a Model 3 if the only purchasing option was the updated version. Your comments and example of how impractical this change is were the basis of my thoughts to buy now, and not in 2024.

Its worrying how many people I've seen (internet commentary not reviewers) claiming this will improve people's driving by forcing 9 and 3 hand position. Clearly these people have never correctly used a roundabout.

I’ve ordered the “old” model 3 now purely for indicator stalks AND the drive selector! No one wants to faff around with the screen when doing a 3-point turn!

As others have said.... I'm sure you can adapt quickly enough.... But muscle memory is a powerful thing. For many years, I drove older Lexus LS400s, which had the indicator stalk on the "Japanese" side (opposite to US/EU/UK side). Weirdly, I got used to this in just a few hours; but when I went to a newer Lexus, which moved the stalk to the conventional side, it took *weeks* to learn not to indicate with my windscreen wipers! If you ONLY ever drive a Tesla with buttons, then I guess you'll get used to it; but if you drive 2-3 different cars - or maybe you drive a works van during the day & your Tesla at night, or whatever; then I predict it's going to be chaos. If only in your own head! However, I'm extremely glad you've done this video & alerted us non-Telsa drivers to the situation... I shall now be ignoring what any Tesla is signalling on a roundabout, just in case they've pressed the wrong button!

I agree that the removal of the indicator and gear selector stalks is crazy - speaking from the UK perspective of constant roundabouts and left right or right left linked turn signal requirements. I want a Tesla, I really like them and have test driven them. No way will I ever buy a Tesla without stalks or a proper steering wheel. I have been waiting for the new compact hatch but will not buy it without stalks, I would then consider a second hand model 3 or Y instead. This is another example of one part too many removed, so put the stalks back.

Absolutely bonkers idea! It will certainly put me off buying a Tesla without the stalk to indicate. Really pleased you raise the issue and as your X (Twitter) poll confirms - you are right!

Absolutely 100% agree, an utterly stupid idea. And you’re right, it has lost them sales. I’ve been hanging on to see if the facelift would make the Model 3’s looks vaguely palatable, and it has (just), but I will not buy one because of this issue and will go ahead with buying an Ioniq 6. Just baffling how a designer could sign this off.

I agree with new ideas/technology, but this is a bad idea. Having to take your eyes off the road to look where the buttons are, is surely a safety issue 😮

Fully agree .. i have the new model S and the indicators (and the horn) are extremely annoying!!!! Such a fantastic car mismanaged by such a small but extremely annoying faulty design!!! How stupid can they be!

Got a model y a couple of months ago so i'll be looking to upgrade in a few years time. If they still don't have stalks I can confidently say it won't be replaced by another tesla. I use roundabouts every day as leaving where i live requires me to use one at minimum (if i use a different route its about 4), and so silly things like this will make a meaningful impact to me

As a 2 time Tesla owner, I’d never buy another one that doesn’t have indicator stalks, doesn’t have a gear selector, and doesn’t have effective parking sensors (either real sensors or video that works). You’re absolutely right, it’s a moronic change they’ve made.

You did a great job of demonstrating why it is not a good idea I was put off a Model Y because of the driver info and other controls. You should be able to just get into a car and drive it. You shouldn't have to get used to it. If you need to get used to it, the designer didn't do a good job. Telsas are like this to make them cheaper.

In answer to your question “Would it put you off buying a model 3”, YES absolutely. When I heard, a number of months ago, of the stalk removal being a likely thing, I opted to not wait for this rumoured refreshed and updated model 3. I couldn’t handle the buttons to indicate for exactly the reasons you stated in your video. I’d watched a couple of videos by Mr Nyland who also hated roundabouts in his stalkless model S. The way I look at it is yes in time you would get used to it. I thought I could put a little red sticker by the left indicator button that way it’d be more obvious where the button was when I needed to indicate my exit in a roundabout especially when the button was now on the other side and upside down. The thing I think though is even when and if you get totally used to this stupid idea, it’s still a relatively small button that will be constantly on the move, a small moving target so yes you might be totally aware of where that little button is but you’ve got to safely touch that tiny MOVING button. Good luck with that. I bought my model 3 four months ago rather than having no stalks. Maybe if you’re right and Tesla in the future were to offer the option of an indicator stalk, I would possibly upgrade but as of right now no way I’d buy the highland. (Also here in New Zealand I still get parking sensors, yay!!!) I will say though that the indicators in my model 3 are the worst indicators I’ve ever used, solely for roundabouts. Having to double click for my exit BUT this is still way way better than no stalks what so ever. I have started using my model 3 for RideShare. I often tell people that I don’t regret my model 3 purchase and would buy it all over again but I have found the indicators, auto wipers and creaky and squeaky build quality not up to scratch. As I say though, I would still buy it again, in MY opinion there are some great EV’s out there but Tesla with its charging infrastructure and timely software updates still wins out BUT not with this stupid new indicator buttons it doesn’t. Fingers crossed you’re right as of love to buy a highland with better build quality and nice functioning indicator stalks. Yes please. Waffle/rant over.

I agree that it is a crazy idea. Not only will it affect whether some people will buy the car for themselves, but what about loan cars and courtesy cars. That would be even worse. It is one thing to have your own car and learn to deal with the missing stalks, but for someone who is just using the car for a short period, learning to handle the moving indicator switches and wiper buttons will be a nightmare.

I completely agree with your point and think Tesla have taken minimalist design to a silly level. I had got the model 3 on my shortlist for when I replace my Kona next spring. When I found out that Tesla had decided to remove the parking sensors I thought ... why? They aren't expensive and give drivers an easy way to gauge how close they are to a stationary object rather than having to gauge it from a camera view. When I realised they had decided to remove the steering wheel stalks I couldn't fathom why. The adage "if it aint broke ......" sprang to mind. I'm now thinking the Model 3 isn't for me.

I totally agree. I have the S with that stupid yoke and it is totally worthless. Fumbling to signal is a daily thing and honking is non-existant. I have no idea why they're planning to remove the stalks on all models. Such a dumb idea.

Yep. Removal of the stalks is a step too far imo. I understand their desire to reduce cost, complexity and resource usage....which is great. But I really do find this a bad idea. I would avoid any car without easy, intuitive and safe to use indicators.

Back in about 2006 Vauxhall decided that they were going to solve the "problem" of indicators by fitting the Vectra with touch sensitive indicator stalks. I drove one for a few months and it was so infuriating that I would often just not indicate at all. This seems even worse than that was and is just not a good idea by any measure.

Totally agree! It makes no sense at all. Designed for US roads, yet launched in Europe! 🙄 How did they not market research this? If they had, we would have stalks and a hatch! Could be marketing. I'm now thinking of getting the Y instead, for it's stalks.

I'm in the US and we do have some roundabouts here. What is rare, however, is any use of turn indicators in those roundabouts. I make it a point to properly signal in them but I am in the VAST minority here. We own an ID4 and a Model Y and I would absolutely NOT consider a new Tesla if it did not have the stalks on it. Period, end of discussion, never going to change my mine on that one. So yes, as you say, it is indeed costing Tesla sales.

I could not agree more. One further reason to keep my 2021 LR for hopefully many years to come. I could accept getting rid of the shifter stalk, as you do not use it that much in reality. But the indicators? This is not only stupid and uncomfortable, it is also outright dangerous!

Agreed. No stalks, not interested.

100% agree. What a ridiculous idea to remove indicator storks.

That put me off buying one. I agree it’s done to cut costs and increase profit. Plenty other better EVs out there now anyway.

This is the best take I have seen yet on the missing indicator stalk. We also have lots of roundabouts in Norway, and when going left in a roundabout you should blink left, then shift to right blink before you enter the exit you're going through. In those situations the steering wheel will always be turned to some degree.

Can't we just get the government to step in and say it's a regulatory requirement to have indicator stalks?

We were holding off a new Model3 to replace our Freemont special '20 plate until Highland arrived. We're now reconsidering directly as a result of the indicator stalk removal.

In UK/EU City/Town driving this is positively dangerous, just to go to my local supermarket I have to traverse 6 roundabouts/mini-roundabouts on the return journey, people in Milton Keynes will be driven insane! This would stop me buying a facelifted Tesla. Would not get 3 anyway as no hatchback, but considering a Y.

Spot on, I won't buy any vehicle without signal stalks!

I agree fully 100%, I had exactly the same thought when I heard/saw Tesla wants to remove the stalks with the Highland upgrade. I own a Tesla Model 3 LR AWD for more than 4 years now and I was thinking about to purchase a new Model 3 somewhere next year. But as long as the stalks don't return (permanent or as an option, I don't care) I will not do it. I will continue to drive my current Model 3 or I will buy another EV (an EV6 perhaps). A month ago I would never have considered this but now with that stupid stalk-stuff I do. BTW the new button-indicators have another disadvantage. Lots of time I like to drive with my hands on the 10-before-2 position on the stearing wheel. No problem to use the stalk indicator with one finger in that case. But with buttons I have to move my hands - or at least my left hand - to the 9-3 position or even a bit lower than that because I need my thumb on the buttons. ARGGHH. idiots those who "invented" this at Tesla.

You are spot on with the problem of stalk deletion. What a bloody stupid idea whoever thought that up. Ok, I know they want to improve their margins, but this is a cut too far. It’s a definite deal breaker for me.

I think this is also an accessibility issue. With stalks, it’s often possible for people who have something less than a fully developed/functional left hand to knock a stalk into position. With the buttons, the driver pretty much has to have a full range of hand/thumb motion in order to be able to signal. Not helpful.

UK Performance Model 3 owner; comppletely agree, indicator stalks need to be used. Hopefully the "new" Model Y will have them.

I had a Tesla model 3 performance for 18 months, and liked a lot of things , not everything. Moved job and car went back. I'd been waiting on the highland version to see if I might consider it, but the lack of indicator stalk is a deal breaker. I'm ordering an i4 instead, but I'm happy as its a much better car (more expensive to buy, but cheaper to lease!). I'm actually glad that in Europe this move will probably increase market share of non Tesla car sales.

I'm in NZ and, like the UK, we have plenty of roundabouts and weird tight intersections. I was thinking about upgrading to the Highland (particularly like the idea of reduced noise on our coarse chip tarmac, a bit more efficiency and a better looking car) but I don't like the idea of losing the indicator stalk. It probably not a big deal in the USA where most of the driving is on freeways with gentle on / off ramps. I feel I might get used to the lack of the indicator stalk with time but I think it will remain a somewhat degraded experience with potential safety implications. While I could live without the shift selector, I'm a bit sorry to see that go too, as its very convenient to use. In any case I'm holding fire to see if the indicator stalk comes back as an option - really my existing Model 3 is a great car already (albeit a bit noisier that I would like on rough surfaces).

It's a terrible idea. As you said EVM, roundabouts and sharp corners will reveal it's flaws and shortcomings.....it will create confusion, annoyance and frustration.

Insane. A stalk is essential for driving outside the US. Indicating on roundabouts will be impossible and dangerous with indicator buttons in the steering wheel. It seems, as demonstrated by the new Model S, Tesla believe we should also drive from left hand side of the car too.

I would not buy a car without stalks. It works, leave it alone.

Thank you for posting this --- all of the reviews so far of the Highland gloss over this issue, but it disqualifies this car for me (and I'm actually in the market right now). This is such an incredibly stupid decision by Tesla and it makes driving less safe. I rented a Model S for 3 weeks late last year, and I never "got used" to those buttons. I hit the wrong signal sometimes, I missed altogether others, but in nearly all events I ended up looking down at the wheel (even if momentarily) to hit the button. And I also found that I just skipped using the signal sometimes. This makes driving less safe. What's next? Get rid of the pedal and brake and put them in the touch screen?

Totally agree. Many roundabouts require us to indicate right followed by a quick change to indicate left to then come off. Impossible without the stalks. Dear Elon - If it ain't busted - Fix it is just nuts.

I completely agree. A backward step for a bit of cost saving will cost them sales. They did the same when they removed parking sensors before they had a software alternative and still that doesn't work as well as sensors. They've tried to make the Highland M3 more premium, with double glazed glass, more insulation, rear screen etc, but at the same time remove stalks which make it less premium.

I've had a model Y for about a year and consider myself a bit of a fan boy. I embrace change and never let a new way of doing things put me off.. But I totally agree. This is madness. There is no way this is better or even as good. Completely impractical and dangerous on European roads. I think your point on it being good publicity is an interesting one. You could be right - they could be taking marketing ideas from the Ryan Air playbook.

Buttons on the wheel are marked with an arrow to show their function. Turn the wheel and the arrow no longer points the right way.

Agree! Fixing something which wasn't a problem. Understand it was obviously done as a cost saving but is not intuitive and potentially unsafe is some scenarios. Will be interesting to see if any safety regulators have some feedback on this. Can see this as a no deal for some buyers. Likely to end up like the yoke.

I'm also in the Bloody Stupid camp. And it actually did put me off. So I'm probably going for a MG4 Performance instead. The Yoke steering wheel felt idiotic and now this..

Totally agree, seems to make driving a whole lot more difficult & potentially more dangerous - daft! If it ain't broke don't fix

As a current model 3 owner (2021 version) I am glad Elon's done it - it will keep the used market price of my car nice and high!!! Few people in the UK will want one without stalks! My mate is already searching for a pre Oct2022 model 3 so he can have parking sensors!!

Yes, I am totally against the stalk removal, and it is the only thing I don't like about the refresh. It definitely keeps me from buying this car. But maybe if they lovers the price even further, I have to live with this stupid idea, but then Tesla would not have saved anything, and we all drive more unsafe.

Yes, this would absolutely put me off buying a new Model 3. Same with the yolk on the S, same with the Falcon doors on the X. They are deal breakers to me. I'm also guessing that when the Y gets refreshed it'll probably have no stalks as well.

Tesla have clearly never employed or consulted an ergonomics engineer. Sadly, neither have EuroNCAP, if they had then this would be marked down in their tests, as would other screen based controls (not just by Tesla). As you say, Tesla do sometimes listen to consumers, eg supplying Model Y's with a parcel shelf, so there is hope.

Finally someone is daring enough to say in public that this is a really stupid idea and is done by Tesla just to cut down on costs, just like the whole "minimalistic" theme of their cars. Also you forgot to mention that many people drive with one hand and may never bother to indicate at all if they get this car.

I just wish they’d add a rain sensor, parking sensors and radar back too. I completely agree, my lease is up next year, probably perfect timing for the updated car however I won’t get one unless they add the stalks. Sadly with some of the updates Tesla have done to 2020 M3 I feel it’s a worse car then when I got it.

I was super hyped for the refresh...when I had seen the stalks missing..i was immensely disappointed. All the tslas with stalks and parking sensors and heatpumps are the ones to go for!

IMHO your correct. For me this change is a deal breaker. I currently drive a Model 3 LR however when I come to change this in maybe two years time ( or when another car takes my fancy) I will NOT be going for another one unless this stupid alteration is changed. It may be fine in the USA where they have very few roundabouts because their cities are built on a grid system but as you quite rightly said outside of the USA not such a good idea. Oh well and I really do like my model 3.

Definitely a crazy idea, personally not only removing the stalks is a bad idea but what about the touch screen to work everything? You can’t pickup your mobile phone (rightly so) yet you have a huge screen in front of you to operate the vehicles functions, 1. what’s the difference and 2. what’s the matter with buttons and switches?? you can flick a switch without looking but you can’t operate a touch screen without looking, very distracting I find, just like a mobile phone.

You're 100% correct, Tesla have really sh1t the bed here

When I learnt to drive most cars had the indicator stalk on the right hand side of the steering column. I remember in the late 1970s more and more cars moved the stalk to the left hand side, presumably so the manufacturers didn't have to produce different layouts for left and right hand drive versions. I used to sometimes drive a car with the stalk on the "wrong" side so occasionally tried to indicate with the wiper stalk. The legislators stepped in and standardised a left hand indicator stalk throughout Europe. I thought this was still the case for cars destined for the European market. Certainly indicators operated by buttons on the steering wheel would be a deal breaker for me. What next? A button for the accelerator and brakes?

The annoying thing about saving money is OK its removal saves some money but what about adding 3 speakers from 14 to 17 (does anyone care?). Or a whole ass awkwardly placed display screen low down for what are likely infrequent back seat users.BOth of those must be more expensive. I hope you are correct and they retreat from this idiotic move.

There is a reason stalks have been on vehicles since they got blinkers.. it just makes sense and it's a very simple control. To eliminate those and replace with buttons is madness.

I agree completely! Hopefully, this will be like the yoke steering wheel and they will relent.

Definitely a bad idea, one of the best things about indicator stalks is you can get into nearly any vehicle and they will be in the same place so why change it. I suppose if you could indicate using voice control it might be okay but why change a simple standardised control with something more difficult

Would this be a big enough issue for Tesla to lose type approval and be unable to sell these in the UK?

Great points, but i also think that the gear shifter in the screen will be a big nuisance - specially doing a 3-point turn...

This design process is straight out of the Apple playbook. "You, the consumer don't know what you want and you are highly resistant to change. Therefore we the brilliant engineers and designers will tell you what you want." except this is a safety issue. If the British government had any balls they would ban the sale of the new Tesla on safety grounds and only let the vehicle back in the country when the standard indicator stalk that is on every other vehicle/brand in the country had been returned.

Totally agree. I own a Model 3 and was excited about the improvements made in Highland. Unless they offer stalks (even just the indicator stalks) as an option I seriously doubt I would be purchasing one. Once sales drop in Europe Tesla may listen.

The funny thing is roundabouts are being popular with city engineers and managers. It reduces accidents, and saves lots of money on traffic lights. So even in parts of the US roundabouts are more and more common.

I’ve had my first M3 for 4 weeks now and I’m glad I didn’t get the refresh model without the stalks, hopefully by the time I come to replace it Elon will see sense and put them back as it will seriously affect my decision on what I get next.

I was seriously considering a Highland but the thought of the withering looks I would get from my better half when she tried to navigate the first roundabout made it just too depressing. I plumped for a Model Y instead.

Totally agree, will get a Polestar2 most likely, it's a safety issue, it's simply not possible to drive/steer correctly, indicate correctly and be in full control. But lets be honest, it's not just the indicators, not having a driver display in front of the driver, no gear select and having to take your eyes off the road to use a touch screen. Also I'm not so sure about one pedal driving, your conditioning/training yourself to lift your foot off a pedal to stop in a subconscious response situation/ emergency situation.

Accident waiting to happen.I Like the new seats and the range on the new 3, but the indicator s it’s a big no. Glad I’ve got a 23 model with 8 year battery warranty. Probably keep it that long anyway.👍 Good informative video. Hope the Tesla design team make right handed 3’s with last year’s model stalks.👍

I think there’s a distinct possibility that this will draw the attention of Government Vehicle safety standards, just because Tesla has shown this as a pre-production spec doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be put into production that way for every market, let’s hope as I was going to order one, now I’m not so sure….

This is my biggest issue and it’s making me feel old 😅 to many “touch” somethings!! Infotainment fine touch screen and voice yada yada… but I want indicators, hazards, wipers, and aircon (particularly the widow defog/mist button) should all be a button or knob! Muscle memory without looking away from the road should be the norm for anything that will impact safety of you or other drivers. I can wait till I’m ona clear straight to fiddle with skipping songs, I cannot wait to indicate to come off the roundabout or if my front window suddenly starts to fog up

Agree, the removal of indicator stalks is crazy. This is Elon taking cost cutting way too far.

Totally agree, I will not buy another Tesla, loss of radar, parking sensors, indicator stalk. The loss of the gear selector stalk is just as bad imo. And worst of all still no CarPlay or android auto … so many better choices now

I feel the same about this as when I saw their rectangular steering "wheel". It's over engineering and trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist - while actually causing more problems for the driver. This will hurt Tesla for sure and the stalks will be back for the next revision.

Fellow Model 3 owner here, and I agree that removing the stalks is a bloody daft idea! I think the idea, in addition to reducing manufacturing costs, was to somehow pave the way for autonomous driving: if the car is doing the driving, there's no need for stalks. Of course, FSD still seems to be a long way from being ready for general consumption!

As a 2021 M3LR owner, I totally agree with you AND what about the removal/disabling of radar and ultrasonic sensors? I seriously doubt I will be buying another Tesla, at this point.

I just took delivery of a model 3 as I didn't want to wait for the new Highland without stalks!!! That was the only reason I didn't wait for the Highland

I was going to order the refresh as soon as possible but not with the indicators as they are. Ludicrous idea.

I have been called a Tesla fanboy in many occasions. However no stalk no buy. It’s like LHD nope not buying and don’t like the 3 (boot) or y handles and single screen.

they will probably make indicator stalks an optional extra. when they get away with that it will be brakes next - press the button on the stearing wheel to brake or you can pay extra to have a pedal