The reason the stalk is better is NOT because we are used to it, it’s because it’s in a FIXED position which is key for safety It shouldn’t change as you are steering and in America, our roundabouts turn left and the signal button somewhere at the bottom (your lap) when turning would be tough to find and dangerous
Absolutely. There’s no way that controls which are key to safety so move. I mean let’s just have brake pedal that you have to chase around the footwell.
The lack of stalks is literally the main thing preventing me from getting the refresh :/ Only hope is that I try it out and don't absolutely hate it...
I bet they change it back OR at least make it the SAME cost option. Or Tesla can wait until there’s a major lawsuit after a deadly crash and then do it
I suggest if you TRY and TEST the new model 3 you request a LONG test drive from them I don't think an hour is enough to get used to it, I found even after a day I was on the fence still.
@@NicolasRaimo I have a 3 year old Model 3, a refresh is not going to happen for me with this stupid choice, I will be looking elsewhere or sticking with what I have. My colleague here has a Y, he says the same. Utterly stupid design choice and I have no idea how they have got type approval for a what is clearly a dangerous decision in Europe where we have roundabouts and sharp curves
When I first tested the 24 model I didn't notice a problem with using the indicator/turn signal buttons. On the second drive I encountered smaller radius roundabouts and it was clear it is a problem. I drove it a 3rd time as I really thought I could get used to it but a constantly moving target is impossible to find without taking your eyes off the road. I decided I couldn't buy...... which is a shame
I'm not going to get "used to" a bad design just cos a multi billion dollar company wants to save a few quid on plastic stalks. Will not be getting it and even went into a store asking for a 2023 version used car and made it clear it was because of the lack of stalks that I would not get the new car. The salesmen obv said the same thing of "you'll get used to it" and I told him what I mentioned at the start of this message.
@@NicolasRaimo no it’s on the screen with the new models without stalks, unless you are talking about the non lit up buttons (until u tap on them) on the headliner which is not good
@@scottjones9603 no there on the wheel as per the entire video, the gear selection is on the screen but as again explained in the video that’s the most obvious of choices
@@NicolasRaimo ahhh I meant “gear” indication and changing buttons and as far as the signal indicators, they aren’t fixed because you’re often turning the steering wheel whereas stalk don’t move at all and therefore the “muscle memory” aspect
@@NicolasRaimo But you have to take your eyes off the road/mirrors to switch drive/reverse. Ridiculous idea. You suggest in the video that it's the same as using a floor-mounted shift. It isn't. A lever on the floor is easy to find by touch.
Switching between drive and reverse for 3-point turns and parallel parking isn't just about speed (although it is), is also about having to take your eyes away from the road. That's especially an issue with tight parallel parking or when there are lots of pedestrians, e.g. dropping the kids at school. As for your suggestion that people would complain if all cars had buttons and Tesla invented stalks, people would complain just as much as now with Highland...cobblers.
There’s also the need for all of a sudden wipers and fluid… NOT safe and they will soon find that out when thousands of cars roll and a few have accidents Is it really worth it for Tesla to save a little money with everything being NON button, NON stalks. Not wise
I have just got my new Model 3 RWD and no indicator stalks. I love the buttons and find them super simple to use. Lots of roundabouts in the UK! Majority have the wheel at 90 degress max, so no problem to press a button. The other benefit is cancelling a turn signal. The problem with stalks is you tap it to turn it off but it triggers the opposite side and potentially then again. With the buttons it is a single press to turn it off if it has not cancelled, and they seem to cancel a lot more consistently than any of my older cars that had stalks. had them for past 38 years! I suggest you give it a test drive, I was surprised, as was my father.
Good review, Nick. Accords quite closely to my experience re the stalks. Confused to see that plenty of comments appear to have views, often “negative”, but I don’t see them all based on whether people have driven an example. People should try it. But also remember Nick’s admission. It only works if, like me, you are expecting to use the indicators as the Advanced Warning of Your Intentions (which is why we have them, contrary to some drivers’ behaviours 🤨)
Gear change on screen is absolutely no problem in EV as you really just don't need to change gear unless stationary and indicators buttons also like you said make you indicate properly once you get used to them muscle memory wise
Tha challenge appears to be indicating to *leave* a roundabout - which happens before you straighten out. If the satnav did it automagically then that would be sort of ok, but so many journeys without…
Yep and that’s why it should be an option and I’m betting it soon will after complaints and possible lawsuits post crash(s). And I’m personally not buying one (which I want to) until after the change assuming there will be one. And I think it’s too much of a turn off… especially for the safety conscious soccer moms etc
@@scottjones9603 well I respect differences of opinion but I think it should be possible for people to adapt to it, I have stuck it out in model S and honestly it is not that big of a deal, or at least not for me.
To each their own indeed but to me it's all about why reward an unsafe and poor design? If you have to get used to it (and not from a learning curve perspective) then it's an inferior design choice.
@@DP-zi4cj Everyone said this when they got rid of the HUD, now look. Model Y was the most sold car last year. Stalkless Is not a unsafe design and I drive my Tesla and gas car everyday and nothing throws me off I adapt Instantly. No stalks just makes the car easier to drive,
I am using Tesla model 3 2024 model i never find any diffulty with the buttons. Also it was my first experience of driving in a country with left hand drive. Also where i live i pass through 3 roundabout every day. I really love this car
I reckon would become more difficult, the tighter the turn against desired direction of travel, such as when on a mini roundabout with four or more exits. Or on a staggered junction, on a bend, in a country lane, (the personification of fun & hell incarnate).
I did a huge variation of driving with LOTS of roundabouts sizes and tried all types of exits, As said in video you get use to the Highland but it takes least a 6 days to become NORMAL
White seat owners swear by wet wipes. I really love the white ones. May use blankets with the dogs as my labradoodle has really sharp claws. Lovely to see your dog Nick
Tesla WILL change back to stalks or put as an option as it’s dangerous in many instances. I made the same prediction with the stupid yoke which is now ONLY an option… a more expensive one as well. Also said the same thing about the horn being a TINY button. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen after a crash where someone tries to find the horn and can’t
I don't think they will Scott after driving car for a week I really didn't mind it, am as shocked as anyone but Highland Model 3 is quite good as is, I do think having the option would sell more cars
Cars have a type approval, there is a lot to comply with. There is apparently no law that the horn should be in the middle of the steering wheel. So people can lawsuit whatever they want but they would have to lawsuit the rule/lawmaker.
@@NicolasRaimo I don’t think it’s about selling more cars as it is… preventing lawsuits. Notice how quick they were to recall ALL cyber trucks for pedal problem. As soon as someone is trying to quickly signal while in a roundabout or turn on the wipers when windshield gets douched by rain or mud… they will change quickly. I’ve been right so far… we shall see
Yes, but at a fairly high price, especially if you pay for installation (not an easy DIY job). And what impact will it have on warranty? Insurance companies want like it either.
A problem is that you have the habit to let your hands slide all over the steering wheel continously. Even in shallow turns you constantly let the steering wheel glide through your hands, which is in my opinion not necessary. Just grip the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock and make the turn, with one or 2 hands. This is saver anyways as the airbag may cause your hand to hit your face in an accident.
Enhauto (the S3XY buttons people) are in the process of making some stalks for those that want them. Personally I’d definitely be fitting a screen in front of the driver as I like the extra information I get in my Model S.
Yes, but at a fairly high price, especially if you pay for installation (not an easy DIY job). And what impact will it have on warranty? Insurance companies won't like it either.
So with practice, you know where to look to find the turn signals. I have never had to look for a turn signal in 50 years of driving. I don't have to pre-think it either. It is entirely instinctual at this point. We have enough people in the States that can't be bothered with using turn signals in the first place. Making them harder to use is not going to help.
Hey Derek it’s a press car not a standard Tesla loaner, Dogs also on a super thick towel she comes with me in every car including my own Tesla for last 4 years no damage at all
@@NicolasRaimo Dogs can lick everything, and get saliva everywhere. Dogs can scratch the back of the seats, right? Some dogs are kind of stinky and maybe have ticks or fleas? But not your dog!
A BYD Seal advert appeared during this video. Looks like a very good rival to the Model 3, particularly if they bring down the price of the base model to just under £40K.
BYD Seal bit smaller and tighter but nice car, I've not driven it so couldn't comment which I'd have but base model 3 is 40kish and its base is pretty well loaded out!
You can’t “indicate” early in a roundabout as there are turns every few seconds It’s not like a straight away where you can just do one signal way in advance and you’re done
You indicate your intention of direction when approaching thats in the highway code, you then indicate to exit I did mini and big roundabouts all week like I said in video it was a pain, then I got used to it
@@NicolasRaimo I don’t want to hunt for a moving indicator button somewhere near my lap especially given how crappy people merge in and out of roundabouts especially when busy
@@NicolasRaimo Put it behind a Dog guard maybe .I am not a dog owner but the amount of cars with dog's heads sticking out of front and rear windows is unbelievable .Its still a distraction while you stroke it you don't have both hands on the wheel either .
@@NicolasRaimo Sorry I don't believe you have seen lots of dogs killed in Car accidents .I was a lorry driver for more than 30 years and never ever saw a serious accident happen.
2 month on and still dislike indicators buttons. I have green and red sticker on buttons which helps on roundabouts. I would happy to pay £1000 for standard indicator stick. I think Tesla have made great car apart from indicators. Would I buy another Tesla with steering wheel indicator No way. The wiper button I can live with and use voice commands for wiper speed. Doing 5 mile Kwh with LFP battery this time of year.
Like your review of driving without stalks and how you got used to it. Loved the Pooch co-driver more, in fact so much i had to replay the video because i concentrated on your dog so much i phased out with what you were saying 🤣🤣
I find it odd that it doesn't indicate for you if satnav guidance is on that seems a no brainer for anyone and more so for someone who is trying to make a fully automated vehicle
Well gee whiz......who woulda thunk that sufficient numbers of cars could go down an assembly line.......... miss out on control stalks......and still get through the PDI process......and then STILL BE SOLD to enough buyers......... who didn't notice.......for long enough to give the impression that it was successful inspite of the incompetence. How else can you explain this idiocy ?!.
