Terrific in both concept and execution! Getting a newbie in an EV and on a longish road trip is the best way to inform others about the realities of EVs. Too many have been taken in by the lies and misinformation about EVs. Great job shining a light on that. Couple of points (I’m 66, have had my 2021 Tesla Model 3 SR+ for one year, ~13,800 miles): I never use the estimated mile display, only the percentage. The mileage number is too variable. The percentage displays exactly what is in the battery. Plus, when you charge, you charge to a specific percentage (SOC: state of charge), and all the info on driving uses SOC, not mileage. It’s much more accurate, and therefore less nerve wracking and less frustrating. I just got back from a one day road trip of ~600 miles from Sacramento to Portland OR. Two days later, did the same one day trip home. In my SR+, which many say is not a long road trip car. I say BS to that. I have another road trip planned, from CA-KY coming up in a couple weeks. In the SR+. EZ PZ. As for charging v gassing up, it is different (speaking with 50 years of ICE experience). But, it’s a difference of mindset. And I’d argue it is a difference where charging is better than gassing. It’s more relaxed, safer, and encourages regular breaks. My long road trips involve ~20 min charging stops every 90-120 minutes. By the time I get back to the car from restroom break, grabbing a snack, stretching my legs for a couple minutes, my car is ready to go. THAT’S what needs to be emphasized! I’ve taken convinced ICE adherents and EV scoffers on road trips and they’ve agreed - EVs are a different, viable, and better choice. Great work as always!
@@bsaxman2012 Thanks for the response! I think we simply have a difference of opinion. I think in the vast majority of cases, “range” is a red herring that people futz over much more than it warrants. Sort of along the lines of those who state, “I won’t get an EV until there are the same number of charging stations as there are gas stations.” It’s a silly notion. Driving an EV does shift things a bit in terms of expectations on road trips, but in reality, they are minor shifts and easily accommodated. The first trip my family (2 adults, 2 teenage boys) made in the M3 was ~500 miles, Sacramento to San Diego. During the summer, with temps at 100+ degrees F. We all found the trip (first ever without our trusty Sienna minivan and first ever in an EV) to be comfortable and pleasant. So much so my wife, very EV hesitant and fraught with “range anxiety,” traded her Camry LE in on a VW ID.4. Anyway, I’m glad to hear you enjoy your Teslas! I’m looking forward to my upcoming cross country trip in the SR+. May you have many miles of safe and enjoyable travel.
We did our 1st EV/Super Charger trip from Atlanta GA to Hilton Head SC. Easy 1 time SC at Metter SC location with 8 250 available stalls and 2 CCS? Overall a great EV road trip experience. Baby steps to build experiences for longer road trips.
As a long term Tesla MS Driver (since 2013 and 160k miles) I had chose between the MME and the MY as well. I went for the MME mainly for the comfort of the suspension and the awesome look of the car! I too think they came up with a VERY good car for their first shot!
Hi, I am curious about how you feel about the transition into having the ford MME for this long now... could you share your thoughts having it so far? mainly, is it just as easy to charge?
@@wynsmellsfunny Hi, I am (after some 6k miles) still very satisfied with the car, although Ford employees are not yet knowledgeable about electric cars. But at least they try and service in general is much better than today's service of Tesla. Especially on long trips the GT is VERY comfortable (very good seats, perfect suspension and good noise insulation).
100% about having a Mach-e available to test drive. I finally found a dealer in Oct. that had one to drive and that made me buy it. I said "it's great you guys have a car to test..." The sales guy said "well, how else are you going to want to buy one?". And Rolled Gold - if you and I were neighbours we'd get along just fine. Nice vid!
@@wynsmellsfunny So far no issues, but I have not done a major road trip given it’s still winter. The charging network seems a bit more fragmented in Canada, but seems to be easy enough to find DCFC. I’ve had one issue where an IVY Network charging station was offline completely but showed as working - I had about 20% but was almost home, but that could have been a bit of an issue had I been somewhere else.
@@jelloMohnny hey thanks! Very insightful and helpful. I didn't realize you were in Canada, I am in Florida so hopefully the network is a bit better and with the Tesla adaptor, I think I'll be ok here
Make the content for the audience you plan to have and that audience will come in time. His production quality is well above some RU-vid with far more subs.
My Tesla is rated for 358 miles real world more like 290 and if your doing 80 on the highway more like 200. I know Elon likes to say no one needs 500 miles of range but a least the advertised range in the real world would be nice.
How can he say no one needs 500 miles of range!? What a troll musk! Some people like to travel non stop or at higher speeds or even tow, let’s not forget overlanding, off-roading……. A comparable diesel vehicle to the model 3 gets about 900 miles of range.
@@DefStr8up you get very close to it lol. I drove a hybrid with 400mile range and got like 360-375 at 80-85 miles. Not minus 100 miles from the epa from Tesla..
The Cali Rt. 1 version of the Mach-E is a range beast. It seems like it's easily exceeding its already great EPA range estimates according to owners on the forums.
25:33 I think it's important to note that this isn't Ford's first EV rodeo. They've made multiple EVs over the years. In fact, I'm currently restoring two 20+ year old factory built Ford electric vehicles. That being said, Ford still had a number of lessons learned from this Mach-E iteration. They appear to have undersized the CCS harness, resulting in less than ideal charging speed spikes. I think they're going to want to take a close look at what GM does with the Cadillac LYRIQ because the Mach-E really should be able to rip at close to 500 A charging current (150+ kW) from 0% to 50% battery. At that point, in combination with the Mach-E's efficiency, it would be as fast of a road tripping car as most Teslas.
You are like a pick me up after a long day of work - funny as well- great dry humor…watching my Y give me range anxiety as I can’t seem to get pass the fact that I do about 2K Miles a month and watch my charge range sink from 326 from inception and now I’m at 297 range at 35K Miles..just doesn’t seem right…anyhow - great content…keep it up
Battery deg is highest at the start and should, they say, level out as time goes on. You might try, if this works for how much range you need on a daily basis ofc, charging more frequently to a lower SoC, eg charge to 60% and use to 40% every day vs charge to 100% and use to 10% every 5 days. Charging at a lower amps can apparently help too, my home charger will do 32 amps and I can recover my daily usage in 2-4 hours at that speed but since I heard that advice I usually charge at 5-8 amps which takes 8-12 hours to charge up but as I spend most of that time asleep it's no big deal :-D Lastly I've seen folks recommend switching the display to % battery remaining vs miles so you don't obsess over that potential range rating.
You legit are the best!! So happy I stumbled upon your page. I’m purchasing a Model Y Performance and find your channel to be both funny and informative! Keep up the amazing work!
The only problem, currently no other electric car can use Tesla Superchargers. I travel from Mexico to the US in my model Y. The only Superchargers are Tesla. There are destination chargers and charge at a very low charge (J-1772 at 6.0 kW to 15kW). I selected Tesla because of the Supercharging network (150 kW to 250 kW). I can travel over 240 miles, stop (20-30 mins) at a Tesla Supercharger, grab some lunch, bathroom break, and then I am off. Keep up the great videos. Cheers!
It's my one real complaint with my Y and the 3 I used to have. The advertised range and even the estimated range in my Tesla is never anywhere close to what I actually get. You'd think for the EV battery tech leading company that Tesla is, they'd be able to produce a battery that actually got close to what they advertise and not 70%.
Sounds like the EPA should fine them for false fuel economy rating. They have gone after numerous ICE vehicles. Time for Tesla to get slapped. It’s amazing that the Ford and Porche vehicles get more than EPA ratings and Teslas get a lot less than rated.
@@DefStr8up The EPA has different drive cycles the manufacturer can use and it’s up to the manufacturer (Tesla, Ford, etc.) to choose which cycle to use and run the test. They then report the number back to the EPA. The thing is - Tesla uses the drive cycle that gives them the highest number but this is often much higher what you can get in real life conditions.
Hey, really enjoyed this. One coworker has a Model 3 the other a Model Y performance, I just got my Mach-E five days ago. I subscribed to the channel and ordered the Tesla adapter through your link (got a deal on it too) to use as said co-workers' homes. Route 1 has nicer looking seats than my Premium and more range than my Premium AWD's 277~ though the efficiency seems about the same.
My ford diesel SUV gets vastly different mileage when I’m driving it vs when my wife is driving it. I try to maintain 140 to 150km and my wife drives a bit slower at around 80 to 90. So the notion that gas cars don’t vary at the beginning of this video is a off. Drag increases with the square of velocity and you must increase the energy output to overcome this multiplying drag increase. So the atmospheric drag on any car driving at 100 is 4 times that of a car driving at 50. It’s not double, it’s quadruple the amount. Plus there might be be more drag from the drive train at higher speeds that must be over com in an ICE car with hundreds of moving and wearing parts
I had to give my M3 Tesla back as it was leasing from work. I bought a VW that has half the power and it consumes 4-5x more in money for mileage that I was spending on my Tesla. If you add the maintenance etc it is crazy
12:43 There are two components to this. The first, Tesla uses a very optimistic EPA testing cycle that most other automakers do not. In the real world, it equates to about a 15% difference. I don't see Tesla ever wanting to change that because, right now, it makes them appear to be the leaders in terms of range. The second is that Tesla's built-in range estimator is based on a simple formula of multiplying current battery energy times that optimistic EPA-rated range. The only way to get an accurate range estimate in a Tesla is to load the trip navigation, which does a better job (is more accurate) at estimating range than most of the other EVs that use active range estimators (like the Mach-E).
This is a perfect example of why range is so important, and I don't get why some people are simultaneously critical of both the public charging infrastructure and non-Tesla EV automakers pushing for 400 to 500 mile ranges. The latter addresses the former.
While I am not sold on EV's as of yet, it is interesting to get non-biased info on them from you. I do like the physical design language of the Mach-E GT, if it's the right colour with the right rims. I think they are less reserved than the Tesla...
On my first EV. I’m sold on the electric part. Love the driving, the power, have the car preheated and cooled. You can sit in the car with the heater on for hours without worrying about running the motor. I’m not sold on the brands, range or lack of charging options. Wish we had better choices.
@@beefuzzy310 I'm with you. EVs are gold, like going from tapes to CDs. I'm okay with where range is at know with charge times coming down, and mostly done at home anyway really cheaply. More option would be great!
@@beefuzzy310 yup that one thing I’m about to get a EV because everytime in my accord I’m more worry for my dog because she love car rides and when it get hot I must run the engine to use the AC but since I’m getting a model y I love that you don’t need the motors running to use ac it has an option to use the ac without turning on the motor and it has dog mode too so that perfect.
It's worth noting that the Mach-E is brand new and your Y is is pushing two years old. After about 25K miles the Mach-E will likely have about the same range as your Y.
Quartzsite AZ? I live there 7 months of the year, along with another half million baby boomers in the winter. After that, run, don't walk away from it. WE HAVE A BLAST IN THE WINTER. (An old people blast)
Gjeebs wife...LOL You crack me up! Autopilot is the best. I don't see the need for FSD either. Pretzels be good... Damn...I can't believe you don't love me... For just a short moment I thought that when you went back to video after the "The Next Day" card I was going to see the place in flames and fire trucks ;)
Always an awesome video. Thanks to your previous video, I got my Y’s roof wrapped and I’m loving it. I don’t suffer from the Florida heat inside my Y anymore. You made a major impact. I’m going to create a channel soon and that’ll be my first video. I’ll give you a well-deserved shout-out.
FSD Beta is great but you do have to work a bit to get it as they I believe are still using Safety Score for release. And after using it you quickly learn areas where it’s weak and tend to take over to speed things along.
How old (or how many miles) were on these two vehicles? I'm currently trying to decide which of these to get and I can't decide! It seems from this that the Mach E (maybe because of the slower charging) may keep its range longer than Tesla. Unless the Mach E was new and the Tesla was older in this video.
While unrelated to Tesla, regarding your comments on dating - as an engineer - I kept reminding myself I only need one - so the odds are in my favor. With that, if you do proper relationship math, you do have to move on pretty quickly once you realize it isn't going to work out - especially post-college. I had that conversation with a young (at the time) lady that I really liked - after off and on again/casual dating for a couple years - I simply pointed out that she was 28 (I was 27). If I'm not "the one" we best figure that out sooner rather than later (shit or get off the pot). If not, let's say it takes her another 6 months to 1 year to find the person she might marry - logically, a decision to marry might take a couple years of serious dating, followed by 6 months (or more) engagement. So, likely at least 3 years away from marriage at that point (assuming things go well). That would put her at 31 or 32 (she wanted kids eventually). I knew that was getting up there, but I later found out that doctors consider any pregnancy after 35 as "high risk." Either way, I was ready for something more serious. I'm not sure whatever happened to her, I hope she found the love of her life eventually. The next lady I dated, we married pretty quickly (she was already 30 and was very keen on finding a partner) - we have been together for nearly 20 years and have 3 kids together.
Efficiency is gonna be the measuring stick (miles/ kwh)... Mach-e has a 91kwh battery, model y has a 75kwh battery.. Kwh used for the trip will tell you which was more efficient... not a guess-o-meter of displayed range. Compare the kwh used between the two during the trip, and voila'... you have your 'efficiency' winner😉
I completely agree. I own a 2022 MYLR and love the car, but the range estimate is trash. Tesla can do much better. But at the end of the day the cars have different size battery packs, need to compare energy used for the same distance traveled. That is what matters.
@@Gjeebs Did love the video, I think you put out the best vids when it comes to pros and cons of Tesla. I have a 2021 model Y, but I’ve not taken on any long trips, yet. That will change in a couple of weeks when I drive from the Los Angeles area to Tyler Texas by way of my house just north of Dallas.
its really just a factor of two different types of EPA test cycles.....plus a lot of manufactures either join one team or the other....under promise/over deliver (Mach-E) or over promise/under deliver(Tesla) for stated range. But when it come to the over all user experience you can't beat the Tesla Supercharger Network....currently.
Tesla’s have a large buffer beyond zero purposely coded into its range estimations. Best to take both these vehicles on a full charge to dead on one trip. You also have to account that both vehicles need to use or not use A/C and drive the same speed. Also one cannot drift behind the other longer since less wind resistance increases range. Also account for tire/wheel sizes especially if they are aftermarket. I do find it funny people who don’t hardly take long road trips worrying about needing more than 300 miles. I drove 300 miles in my M3 LR in California at an average speed of 75 and still got home with 15% SOC. Range is important but there are other important details like battery longevity, safety, charging speed/battery size, and charging network that are perhaps more important. Larger battery packs get you longer range but take longer to charge. Tesla’s give more range with less battery, faster changing, and a much better charging network. Either way, test drive as many as you can before you buy.
Maybe try to understand that Tesla is using the rated distance as a battery level - instead of amplifying the confusion through your channel 😄 That is why most experience users use percent (%) to have a feeling for how long it can go. With the older Model S you could switch between rated range and estimated range based on driving style. The Mach-e shows the latter. What was the watts per miles for the Model Y? Did you say it was 330 wh/mile for the Mach-E? (33 kwh/100miles) Also, just use the navigation and energy app, those are more precise than any other EV and my 1300km (one way) trip was amazing in a Model 3 Performance. That we can easily do 120-150 mph on the German autobahn also makes trips a breeze when there is not traffic.
We tried FSD in our MYP for a few months and it continually had problems staying on the freeway when a lane was turned into an offramp. We did a road trip from San Francisco to Sedona and the phantom braking happened no less than 30x (only 10x on the way to Sedona but a full 20x on the way back) and eventually just got fed up and manually drove the rest of the road trip. FSD was just lackluster and autopilot was really disappointing. We've had our Tesla for about eight months now and don't even use either feature for, largely, fear of the phantom braking. Scares the absolute crap out of our little puppy and it's just not worth the trauma. Tesla really needs to fix that crap ... it happens far, far too frequently. Hell, 1x is too frequent but 20x from Sedona to San Francisco was beyond unacceptable =/
a 200 mile road trip shouldn't worry anyone. As far as FSD, I would agree for Tesla, it's not worth the 10k cost... The Mach E on the other hand it's free for the first 3 years and man, it's awesome!
I find it challenging to find useful data for mileage per kW-hr to make comparisons, but looking at the battery storage capacites it’s around 91 kW-hrs for the Mustang Mach E and 82 kW-hrs for the Model Y as well as Model 3. So for similar efficiency the Ford should go further. I have a 2019 Model 3 with a 75 kW-hr battery and a 230 mile drive from my Houston home to the Lafayette, LA supercharger depletes the battery 90%+ going at preferable speeds. Close to cutting it too close, but the trip energy graph really helps to remain confident you won’t be calling a tow truck. Love your channel dude, keep up the great work!
The vehicle also tells you to slow down to make the charger/destination and what % you will arrive with (more and more accurate the closer you are of course). I purposely kept driving fast when going up north in Michigan in the winter because it said I would arrive with 4-5% battery to my destination but my plan was to stop for 10 min at the Supercharger on the way. I let it adjust itself as I kept driving.
Do a road trip with your Y, the Ioniq5 Premium AWD, MachE and ID.4. Do like a Cannonball Run style (obviously not cross country). You would get 1m views for sure!!!
Cool trip. We live 40 mins from Havasu in Mohave valley. We go to LHC all the time. Another nice wrap too. I swear I saw our friends boat when you were on the lake👍🏼
How’s living in Mohave county because I’m use to Arizona because I’m always stay in chandler az almost every year for Christmas so ya. So I want to know because I might move to LHC.
Yeah its a low take rate because FSD is high as balls! Even the subscription is too much IMO. They should offer certain features ala carte as subscription options like traffic light alert and lane change assist for 19.99/month. I'd do that all day!
All EV’s have a potential range if you drive in a certain way, in particular weather conditions. Same with fossil cars. You can achieve the Tesla numbers if you try. I had an I-pace and never got close to the Jaguar quoted numbers. Just asked the manufacturers to be honest.
You can get a skinny tire as well to get better milage on Tesla. You are not comparing the same set up. But both are nice cars. I think Ford has a chance to survive the transition if they cab scale up.
Yep I agree. It’s stated range (~226 miles) and actual range (180 miles) is about 80%. I now take the percentage display and double it to get a more realistic real world range. I have a 2017 Model X 90D with 151k miles on it.
I replaced the 21” Uberturbine’s on my new Performance Y with some 18’s from TSportLine and lowered my wh/I’m from 290 to 260 and dropped my 1/4 from 12.09 to 11.79. Tesla OVER tires their cars. While I wish I had more than 77 kWH of usable battery I’m not getting an easy 260 miles from my PMY.
I never look at the miles.. I set it to percentage and go. I do wish that there was a supercharger in Lake Havasu, or at least some urban superchargers
A question for dog owners. We’ve had our Model Y for 2 years now. Our dog (Aussie) has developed bad car anxiety in this time period. She stands and pants, drools, and shakes in the car now. She never used to do this. My hypothesis is maybe there is a noise from the battery that we can’t hear. Maybe high pitched? Anyone else with a dog experience this?
At 8:20 you show something that doesn’t work in germany although it is being sold here - in slow moving traffic on a motorway you are legally obliged to form a rescue lane between the leftmost lane and the one next to it by the left lane traffic going as far left as possible and the one next to it to the right as far possible to give rescue and police vehicles easy access to the beginning of the traffic jam. Not doing so now gives you a hefty fine, points on how your license and you will be automatically disqualified from driving for a month. So until the autopilot learns to abide the rules it is impossible to use in these circumstances.
How about a windshield replacement video for an idea when you get that done, yours looks cracked? Curious about the cost and involvement with the cameras. Does it need to be re-calibrated? Just had to pay $450 on my non-camera-equipped car with rain-sensing wipers! Imagine the Tesla is going to be way more.
What I do not get with the Tesla Range display is that they are able to show a realistic value but choose not to. In the older Model S and X you were able to choose between rated and typical range. Rated is the same we have now were they estimate the range based on energy remaining and the rated consumption from the wltp. Typical used the average consumption on the vehicle though and in turn is much closer to the real range as it adjust to the drivers driving style. Btw. the display in % is still typical so that one is pretty accurate.
I'm so happy there is an extension for the tesla charger to be used for other cars! I am getting the model y and have pre-ordered the R1S.. so I'm excited I can use the tesla charger with an adapter for the rivian! that'll make life much easier.
Let the fans know when you are in So Cal. I wanna picture with you. Also, when I get my Cybertruck, you can do a review. Let me know if you might be interested
@@Gjeebs That would be a great test. Put a set of 19” skinny tires (comparable to Mac E) on your Tesla and see if your range increases. Getting ready for Cyber Rodeo in Austin, TX. Did not get invited. 😳 will you be there?
Gjeebs puts videos out with his wife laying face down on a raft in a thong bikini with her cheeks poppin out… Months later: Gjeebs: “why are people googling my wife?!” Come on dude…
