And tax credit is if you owe the government money if you get tax refund you are out of luck .you will have to use your refund you get to lower price of car
@@danielstehura9657 What stupid thinking. With vehicles shown in the video having ranges of 400km or so, this is all range that nearly everybody would need each day. As, do not forget, the EV driver would recharge the car overnight so there is another 400km available for the following morning. On any given typical working day, a driver would just not exceed 50km with their trip to work, then back home again.
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Sure, let's be happy about cars that are not on the market yet. That Fisker looks amazing, but there is no way in hell it will sell for less than 45k, and even then, there won't be too many of them to choose from. Toyota is in a class of their own, but the same issues with production numbers applies to them too. Hell, you can't even find a decent number of PHEVs (those pesky Prime) in USA, and you think they'll have enough BEVs to cover the demand? Also, also, the price. That's the base model, the markup will be at least 10k, and that if you are lucky. Not sure why we look at prototypes and think the reality is going to be that rosy. Equinox? I'll wait to see if the batteries are OK. Ariya, (again, not yet available) has already increased the projected price to over 50k. Let's hope the dealer will allow people to have it at this price. ID.4 looks great, heard the software is a bit laggy and there is no regen. Great price though, but I heard it will be increased because inflation. Hopefully not too much. Skoda in USA? don't think so. Kia EV6 is a great car, but the price is at the same level with Tesla, when adding the extra features that makes it more modern. At the base price looks great, and I think it's already a big success in USA, along with its crooked twin, Ioniq 5. Availability is very low, so the dealers have a great time asking for huge markups. Kona EV is more of a small crossover (tested it myself) and for the price, it feels very cramped. Good option for people who have no other option, I wouldn't recommend. I'd rather look at the used market, you might find the odd Leaf or the e-Golf, not bad for under 20k. But for new cars, EV6 is my choice until Fisker is out and proves it can deliver at that price. If you're looking for ground clearance, ID.4 is only 6.3 inches, lower than Model Y 6.6. But at those prices, I'd rather wait for the Cybertruck. 50k for dual motor, and 16' ground clearance. Since we're talking about prototypes, I don't see why not.
Skoda models are very popular in Europe with our advanced market. Easily a match for its sister VW vehicles. Americans will get over their old prejudices the same way they now are happy to drive Hyundai and Kia vehicles.
I agree with everything you've said. Most of these cars are vaporware. MKBHD did a video on this topic. Most of these guys build one prototype, get a bunch of investor money and rarely actually start delivering the cars to the masses. In the US, the only new EV that I can think of that's actually delivering vehicles is the Rivian and they've DRASTICALLY increased prices, from a $70K pickup truck, for example, to one near $90K. And to include the rebate in the "price" is misleading, since the moment 200K cars are delivered, it goes away. Even Tesla struggles to deliver vehicles, never mind players that haven't delivered a single car yet. I won't hold my breath on a lot of these models ever showing up, never mind at the price they said they'd deliver them at.
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I have a Hyundai Kona and I never have been more happy with a car. It is just awesome and cost very little to drive. It is very quick and fun to drive and has a decent range. I had it for the past 2 years. It is available now. I say if you have to drive more than 350Km/day you should buy something else but who does that?
@@thefix2573 well,well,well.The truth is hard to accept. I think you are the IGNORAMUS. YOU are the FOOL who keeps going to the gas station like a junky to a dealer to get ripped off day after day by the North American oligarchs making massive profits. What is so great about that? Are you blind. At least get a hybrid or something. Defending oil and gas makes you looking like a fool.
@@thefix2573 Your judgement of bossman61 seems harsh. He did say if you drive more than 350 km/ day, which seems to recognise that some people do drive that much. In questioning who drives that much, he perhaps implies that most people do not. If you assume that distance being driven every day for 5 days a week and 48 weeks of the year, that = 84,000 km (well in excess of 50,000 miles). Apparently on average, private motorists in the UK cover closer to 8,000 miles. I guess that bossman61’s comments are largely addressing those people. Even if that average total was doubled to 16,000 miles a year - he is right that the Kona could easily achieve that, since it is possible to drive more than 270 miles a day without charging, even at legal speed limits. 😊😊
@The Fix My Dad has been a contractor or in construction my entire life (I'm 40). He has RARELY driven more than 200 miles a day. And, on the rare occasions he did, it wasn't in an SUV or CUV, but in a big work truck. Absolutely none of which were mentioned in this video, so would be irrelevant to this. (Most of the electricians and contractors around here won't take a job more than 25 miles away, and literally none go more than 50. I know, I've looked as I live in a city that most contractors refuse to work with at all)
Hi bossman61, can you tell me what version do you have? The 130hp or 200 horse power? What battery do you have? How much do you drive on one charge? What price did you pay? Thanks friend.
Why is 400 mile range the need? 2-3 years ago it was 250, and now that a huge % of ev's hit 250 range, that target has moved to 400 miles, with no real reason given. Who, regularly, drives more than 200 miles a day in their personal car???
@@sh969 it's very simple. My gas sucking suv does 400 on a full tank and take 5 min to fill up. If I have to spend 45 min charging just to get.. Maybe 100 miles.. That's not effective. Now... With that beigg said... I currently live overseas... So driving is not 5 min here or there where you only need to charge when you get home. Also, the more popular EVs get, there is more a chance of a charging station already taken... You know... For 45 min.
45 minutes for 100 mile range? Yeah, if you're looking at ev's with technology from 5 years ago. But, my point wasn't even that. Do you regularly drive 400 miles a day? I don't and I live in the southeast of the US that has some of the longest commutes in the country. And still, no one I know drives 400 miles a day. Except maybe Uber drivers but I doubt that as 400 miles a day in our traffic would easily take 10 hours. And, since I don't max out the range on my ev every single day I charge at home. Where it takes approximately 5 seconds to plug in and 5 to unplug.
@@sh969 I live in Europe and frequently drive several hours at a time weekly. My point is that if I drive almost 1000km one way... Trips 2 or 3 weekends... Can be exhausting if I have to stop and charge for awhile
I guess we all have to hope and pray that the "Forever battery" is a reality! Personally I think the EV industry should have adopted what the RC universe has known for decades, Swappable batteries! A gas station style experience for the EV market.
This video is largely a fairy tale in the US. Most of these vehicles are in development and those that are real are very rare and expensive. The so called $12,500 incentive is also a fairy tale. It is unlikely to become law due to politicians (supported by the oil and gas industry) who are opposed to helping mass EV adoption. The Korean EV's are few and far between and those that are available are burdened with giant dealership price markups. However, Europe and Asia might find this video relevant.
Yep, and even in the EU the prices that he mentions here are bullshit. Like ioniq5 is somehow 30k eur "with incentive", if I assume he's talking about Germany which has a 10k eur incentive then even with that it would still cost 40k eur. The cheapest Ioniq5 I could find where I live is 56k eur.
Sure there are massive markups for Toyota RAV4 Hybrids and pretty much all hybrids in the US...however you can find the Ioniq 5 for MSRP in the states. You have to do a bit of searching. But hey...it's all about supply and demand and it's not illegal what the dealerships are doing.
240k miles with my 2016 Tesla model s and still with original battery. 9.6% Degradation. Still have 2 year left on battery warranty ( 8yr unlimited miles ) so when warranty runs out I’ll sell it :)
I’m very happy with my Honda Accord hybrid touring 2021, it’s excellent car average I got about 48 to 51 MPG. No worry about find charges station, I only go to gas station 1 a month and of course depend how often you drive.
I have 890miles + range in my used q7 2012 tdi. Thats all you need. And it carries 7 adults. And it's better for the environment because I bought it used. Not good for the environment to buy new ev's. And electricity is made by oil, gas. etc. And burns as hell. Safety hazard.
@@lordbentley730 LOL- Is that the story you want to stick with? With a 24 gal tank and a diesel engine, you're lucky to get 550 miles on a tank in the city, maybe 650 highway. Which is great, but 890, no, I doubt that. But it's a stinky diesel.
the bad thing is dealers are not equipped or prepared to handle malfunctions and have to wait on manufactures to diagnose these new vehicles. coworker bought one and two weeks later theyre still waiting on cause of problem. dealer told him to call manufacture and complain to help them get issue resolved faster. lmao.
@@MuahMan Yes it does. The tax credit really applies to deducting from taxable income. If a person makes 40k yearly, then subtract $7500. The person is now at a $32,500 tax bracket. That’s how the tax credit works. I bought a VW ID4 and after applying the $7500 tax credit, my refund was only about $800.
The only real way to get the full amount back is to be able to itemize on your taxes. To lower your taxable income to zero! I got my whole amount back on my purchase two years ago. It’s doable, but not for most people, so yes it’s very deceiving!
@@motch6182 yes, but let’s say a person makes $50k yearly, they would need 50k in write off’s which is hard nowadays since the SALT (state and local income tax) was capped at 10k.
It sounds like fun to go from 0-60 in 3.9 seconds but in reality, it would better if we can fine tune how much range we get if we limit the acceleration. Let's say you only have 100 miles left but if the software can limit the car enough so you can get an additional 25 miles to get to the nearest charging station it would be great.
It already exists, called take it easy lead foot. I used to have a 1969 3/4 ton Chevy 4x4 with a 396 Big Block, if you weren't careful with your foot you could actually watch the gas gauge move, especially on the freeway. It got better when I put a 5 speed NV4500 in it and a Edlebrock carb, but that TH400 sucked the gas. I learned quick when it was on E it meant it.
Did u do any research before commenting? Electric cars can already do that.. You can put the car in energy saving mode and the car will reduce throttle performance and restrict options that consume energy. You can also adjust Regen braking in many of these EVs. Some EVs will suggest an alternate route that will keep you from climbing hills (hill climbing reduces range)..
So sick of the price of electric vehicles being stated with the federal tax credit included, the price is the price, and the consumer tax benefits has nothing to do with the price of the car. It perpetuates the mentality of the OEMs to steal the tax benefits through pricing.
3 of the five EV's I've had failed me at around 35000 miles. Luckily I leased 4 of them. One lease was 24 months. Currently own a smart EV. 40000 miles but I only slow 110 volt charge it. No battery degradation so far.
Not against the concept at all but I still need more range from these cars, I think 400 miles per charge is a great milestone that most people would take the leap!
520 mi per charge already available at posh price points / see Lucid Air & upcoming 1000 mi EV's with million mile batteries / using less cobalt, more nickel, copper & aluminum, carbon mixed with silicon in the anode & solid polymer & ceramic electrolytes that are flameproof & longer lasting & not damaged by fast charging or high heat weather heat soaking in hot climates ;)
The prices mentioned here are completely unrealistic. for example Megane entry price = 36000 and that with the 40kw batery and slow charging the model displayed = closer to 60.000€ so big bogus on this video. and shame on the industry for overpricing cars making them to expensive for normal working ppl This is the way forward 50K + for a car Hello bank can i lone 50K for a car??????? i only pay 1376€ for my house 684 for gas and electricity 78 for enternet 48 for my phone 30 for the water 18 for netflix 9 for television. and so on montly cost atm close to 2.000€ and now we going to have to lone for a car? WHERE DO WE GET THE MONEY
I have been told a new EV named VinFast is a lot more affordable. There're 2 EV models coming out: VF8, a 5-seater SUV and VF9, a 7-seater SUV. With the battery leasing program, a VinFast car driver will never worry about the $23,000 bill to replace the battery, and all VinFast batteries will be appropriately recycled to safely protect the environment. Surprisingly, after the federal tax credits for EVs, VinFast VF8 costs only about $32,000, which is unbelievably cheap for a 5-seater electric SUV, and the 7-seater electric SUV VF9 is probably about $46,000 after the tax credits. Best of all, VinFast offers a limited warranty coverage of 10 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, and this is the longest warranty coverage done by an EV maker. All of these truly set VinFast apart from other EV manufacturers. Still have no glue about VinFast? Just consider it as a "twin of BMW", literally. In fact, driving a VinFast car is like driving another BMW -- a luxury car but more affordable, and designed by Pininfarina!
Replacing battery's is not going to work! They are doing in CHINA, In USA not going to fly1 Need 500-600 mile ranged MULLEN solid state battery may do it 1st!
Don't think you'll qualify for the $7500 tax credit since you don't own the battery. Believe the battery service with unlimited mileage is about $200/month. That's every month for as long as you own your car. So in 5 yrs. You've paid an extra $12,000.00 for battery rental. Don't see this as a good option at all.
we just went from MN to Arkansas in a honda cr-v, stopping for gas is 5min and you are on the road again, the only electric would require 3 to 4 stops and add hours to are trip and if the charging stations are all busy then what ?
EV is the way if hydrogen vehicles are presently not in the running , a HIGH PRICE TAG pre supercar 0-60 mph in a middle of road family suv isnt the doing it for me or the wife . RANGE , PRICE and a non lagging screen that doesnt require a tec diploma to work it is KEY, plus length of warranty. NOT IGNORING the amount of charge stations available on route, and that are in working order and can fulfill/multiply with the amount of new EVs that are being put on the road
@@lonniebeal6032 well,there are a number of businesses actually DOING it (a new one is being built down the street from my parents), so....I'm going to assume y'all are planning to go tell those businesses that what they are already doing is impossible. 🤷♀️
The EV cars are definitely the future, but I think range and price are factors the manufacturers are going to have to address. I also concerned that a state like California will put a user tax on the vehicles, because they pay no gas taxes to maintain the roads and in a state like California that has high taxes, EV will cost more to operate than gas.
So there are a number of proposals out there addressing this issue, but I think a simple user fee applied to every car could easily solve that problem! Cheers!
I agree . It's coming, they already charge various fees for charging an EV at those commercial charging sites. Luckily there are still many 'free' charging sites. Some type of electric car tax is coming that owners will pay every time they register their car.
Annual registration fee's for my 2019 40kWh Nissan LEAF purchased used recently with 47,747 mi ODO or about 500 battery cycles still has 98% of rated battery capacity / but the Washington State EV fee's make the tabs $650 per year // thankfully at $0.15 per kWh going 10,000 mi only costs about $400 of electricity.
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I doubt that Fisker can deliver this car at under $40k, and all the vehicles mentioned here will be hard to get. I also ignore base price, as dealers will offer very few of them so that they can make a more substantial profit on cars loaded with extras. Most people who have ordered EVs have to wait months before they can actually buy them. Manufacturing EVs at scale is hard, especially for companies who have never done it before. Just ask Rivian! We can also expect that the early adopters will be saddled with recalls and other problems associated with all the challenges of producing EVs in this early phase. Who knows how many of these cars will be around 5 years from now? But I do like watching the videos and hoping that eventually we will make the transition away from ICE vehicles and begin to drive cars that will eliminate our need for fossil fuels.
@@Davidoneill1967 integrating solar into the exterior surface will never result in meaningful range. However is you live in an area with meaningful sunlight, then you will not require the charging stations unless you are travelling.
As always, please put The numbers (price, range at least) down in The comments/description of your good program or Maybe you want US to take notes with pen and paper??
This is BS. None of these EVs will cost anywhere near $30k. And the $7500 tax credit isn’t an actual cash discount. Most people don’t make enough in a year to owe $7500 to Uncle Sam.
Finally someone who understands the so called falsely promoted tax credit, not only they have to have tax liability of that amount to be offset with the "tax credit" they also would have to pay that tax liability during the tax year, so if they have tax liability of $7,500 and paid $6,000 through withholding then their allowed tax credit would only be $6,000. A lot of people are going to be shocked at the tax filing season. It's non-refundable credit people.
Does it have autopilot, and how is the changing infrastructure compare to Tesla? In 2023 Tesla will have a model that long range is also available for close to 400miles for starting at 25k.
Cars were expensive when they first started coming out to the rich public. early 1900's Then the assembly line allowed faster production. That allowed the price to drop so more people could afford to buy them. Now it maybe a supply chain issue. Raw metal or composite materials or computer chips. There's more I am sure.
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How long does it take to charge from 0? How much does it cost to get a full charge? How long do these batteries last? What to do when you run out of charge on the highway, or in a desolate area? What about swap stations instead of charge stations. You pull in, easily swap out old depleted cells for fully charged cells. Would this work?
Life long Toyota owner . Not been really impressed with Toyota hybrids. Only recently have Toyota offer a plug in hybrid which has been too long. And the hybrid Highlander only able to tow 2,000 pounds an can only go 42 miles on electric. The while a Tesla X can tow 4,000 pounds and can go easier 220 miles at 70 mph.
I think I was sold on the fisker Ocean I liked the looks and when those windows rolled down, I wonder if they have that one in AWD? MM The battery range wished that would be more around 500 miles. Well see what Tesla has next I noticed they are coming out with another vehicle and new engine and a quad engined cybertruck too more speed plus that cyber truck has two generators for construction workers and if need be supply the home if the lights go out! :)
your vid show for 1st 5 models shown is misleading for uk buyers , as i beleive the prices of uk EVs you have shown are sooo much higher than your reported prices in us dollars and euros , when converting at a average exchange rate , ( only exception is an mg Z ev) UK ev crossover size or look as i post is about is about 46 000 euros on the road price or 50,000 us dollars
My goodness. Most of this great looking stuff isn't coming to AUS ats. We are mostly stuck with ugly little frog Tesla 3 and big frog Y at some point in the future, or Chinese BYD/MG and older Korean stuff. Ionic 5/EV6 in very very limited numbers.
Kona EV has a better heat pump than Tesla and most if not all other EVs on the market today, recovering nearly two thirds of the range normally lost when using your heat or AC in an all-electric vehicle. Even Elon Musk has recognized how good the Kona is.
