The tip of the sprint and adding water to bed in the pads is a bit of a short cut, and a good way to never get the full performance of the brakes. The best is too slowly creep on the brakes and let go until it bites more and more. On the long run it is worth it.
@@BFBMTb my bike cost me under $1000 and i got hope brakes and wheels, decent older fox suspension, and recently a dropper post. Only thing i need is a 12 speed drivetrain, but the 10 speed forced my fitness to increase
@@sufyanm4661 exactly my thoughts. 1k will get you an awesome specd bike that will handle quite a bit. I actually built an ebike out of a HUFFY CARNAGE for around $1400. The only thing left that's huffy is the actual frame. I didn't use name brand parts but rather value parts that will handle the type of riding I do (based on specs). The components have held up fine And I currently have around 1600 miles on it (450 as mid drive, 1200 as hub drive).
Seriously. He thinks everyone that rides these trails has a 10K+ bike? Ridiculous. My bike costs even less than that one and I wouldn't even think twice about riding those trails.
@@mushieslushie many times it's not necessarily the bike but the rider's individual skill level. You can have the most expensive bike out there but if your skill level sucks than your better off saving your money and just get a cheap used hardtail.
To be fair 3k bike is not anymore value, it is already a Highend bike, lets say is not a race bike, but the difference with top of the line models is weight, brake precision, and kind of a better suspension, which means they ride better but these are not more capable, you can ride almost as hard with this bike as with a top of the line bike in any terrain.
Yes and no, while they can probably do everything that a 7 grand bike can do, you definitely pay for it in some ways. One that you mentioned is brakes, a really good set of brakes with proper modulation and power is a must for truly high end trail riding or downhill. The SLX brakes that came on my Fuel EX 9.7 were not up to par, they have a tiny modulation zone and a heavy pull, making them quite dangerous for some terrain. I wouldn’t say suspension compares from 3000 to 7000 though. Take the Fuel EX 7 at 3200. It comes with a rockshox 35 gold rl. Great fork for the money. But any experience rider will absolutely notice the difference between the damping and compression capabilities of this fork and say a for 36 performance elite or a rockshox pike select/ultimate. The damping especially is hugely more compliant and tuneable. If your suspension isn’t tuned to a tee, good luck no going OTB in some scenarios. Plus you admitted it yourself, you can ride them almost as hard. So they’re almost as capable to an average rider, but it’s not equal. People like say that something like a mongoose XR pro or a Raleigh Kodiak can be upgraded/made to be as good as a 2-3000 dollar experience. Mmmm no.
A good rider can use any bike.. the amount of shitty riders I see with 10k bikes is insane... I fly by dudes on Enduro bike when I'm on my hard tail with 100mm of stiff suspension
Well I mean maybe if you practiced on a better bike and moved down with all the control and skill the other bike gave you. Cause at a certain level $500 sadly will no longer cut it. Maybe jumps cause I see people with bmx bikes hitting some gnarly jumps but any significant tech or larger drops and it’d start getting risky to ride a $500 bike and be more about survival rather than having fun and going fast
I think 12-1500 would be enough to pick up a solid lightly used bike that would progress with you for years over a multitude of terrains and would’ve been the better budget for a “budget bike” sadly this sport just isn’t cheap and even maintaining these bikes ends up costing a lot of time and money
@@KingRc72 value I'm thinking under $500. 3k to me is..."that better have an engine on it" Idk what the hell happened but prices for bikes have become massive scams.
@@Clavitz1 for me 500 or less is budget.. nothin wrong with them they will get the job done then there is 1500-700ish is value. Over 1500 and I’m thinking “ I can get a decent used car and never pedal again…. “ Or “ that used Harley I seen the other day was 1500..”
It’s 90% rider and 10% bike. No need to sell a kidney for $6k bike when you can do the same stuff on a $2500 bike. If you have the money, go for it. Personally, I get a sick satisfaction passing guys with high end bikes on my “budget bike”.
I hate these type of videos where you call this a "value" bike. Seriously...? This is a $3000 bike. This is a probably a dream bike for over half your viewers. To call this "value" is honestly disrespectful to a lot of your viewers. With tax this would work out to $4000 CAD. 4000 is wayyyyy beyond peoples price points. And like people have mentioned, it's 90% rider, 10% bike. You might get up to 5-10% performance increase in things above $4000, after that it's all boutique and a fairly niche market. Paul, please don't call a $4000 Canadian Dollar bike "value". Ever..... And yes I understand he’s calling it “value” rather than “budget”. In my opinion the majority of people will interpret this the same, and I think you using this term leans more towards the budget side, as you could really justify any bike as “value”.
The 2020 Enduro Mtb Mag readers survey, found that the average amount spent on a bike, by their readers, was 3400 euros. That's just over 5000 Canadian dollars. That survey was answered by about 28500 people, so I would say that a 3000-4000 Canadian dollar bike isn't "wayyyyy beyond people price points", as it is in fact a fair bit under that average. Sure it isn't cheap, but it isn't overpriced either, and compared to the rest of the market, it is in the more value oriented segment. Paul is actually appealing to a fairly group of people here, and calling him disrespectful because of that is, in my eyes, pretty disrespectful.
3 grand sorry but I can't be bothered to spend 3k when my polygon premier 5 is plenty and if I want a full suspension mountain bike I'll get a sisku d7
I love that you work with new riders or advancing riders. I’m in a different category though. I have been riding black trails in my area for a while. Recently though I was on a group ride, had a crash and broke my hip, to be exact it was the top of the femur. The break left the ball in the pelvic socket separate from the femur. With the hardware installed in my bone the ability for a full recovery is very good. I’m almost three weeks past the initial crash and have probably two months before I’m fully mobile and ready to ride trails again. The issue I have is a mental readiness to tackle the trails. I feel like I’m reset to a beginner level. Mentally I have a hard time picturing myself on the trails. Before I could prepare for a day of riding by picturing the turns and obstacles and lines I would take. I have the handling skills to get back to where I need to be, I just need the confidence to tackle the trails. I would love to see some videos where you take a person in my situation and help them get back on track. I think the style to use to teach is great and would work well for someone in my situation to get back on their mental game. Thanks!
Meanwhile, we have folks sending it deep on hardtails. Given a certain amount of quality, any real mountain bike will do almost anything most folks could dream of. It is just a question of how fast and for how long.
i got an amazing marin east peak 05 model on ebay a couple of yrs ago for only £180 in pretty much perfect condition and its done me amazing, been doing techy reds and blacks along with jumps so i reckon that covers everything id want from a bike you just have to know what to look for, not how much to spend imo
I’ve always bought “value “ bikes and i have just a much fun as my friends with more expensive bikes . Most of the time when i switch parts is not even because i’ve worn them out , its just because i want to try something different. Keep in mind im not a pro and dont care about how fast i go , mtb is my hobby and my escape from my daily grind .
Don’t get caught up in this bike is better and those parts are better game….. the reality is that 99% of us will be incapable of riding any stock bike from a reputable brand to its full potential…..save your money…. Flash parts are for fast guys and pros looking for seconds over the next guy.
@@mattjonesmattj6479 I recall a hokey TV show doing that about 25 years ago. You should have seen some of the football and basketball players trying to swim, surf or ski. Total clown show! That said, I couldn't run as fast as any of them.
The frame is very capable just upgrade components as you go. I got the hunt trail wide V2 wheels, I put a Shimano XT group set and a fox factory 38 upfront. In time I will be upgrading the rear suspension to a fox float x2. The thing is a trail monster! Best bike I’ve ever owned
Honestly, i dont get the point of that video…. You are an experienced rider, riding a 140-150mm full suss bike from Giant and you are “testing it’s limits” in trails which I can do on my 120mm hardtail (Grand Canyon) which is not even an aggressive geometry bike and I’ve only been riding trails for a couple of months.
God damn everyone in these comments complaining about it not being a “value” bike clearly haven’t been in the Mtb game for long. Spending much less than that and you’re gonna be getting shut components most of the time. This is the level where you’re getting reliable/quality parts without spending $8k. Don’t spend less than like $2200 if you want a full suspension bike that will last. Hard tails are a different story
This. Metallic pads better for downhill/enduro. Organic better for XC/trail. I personally ride an enduro bike but half the stuff I ride is trail with some gnarly DH thrown in. I go for semi.
@@ApexHerbivore Yeah, I didn’t really notice the fade that much anyway but the main reason I use metallic is because organic wear down really quickly. Much rather just forget about the pads then check them every couple rides
sorry Paul I respect you but what you say about brake pads is bullsh*t there is nothing better about sintered pads there just different no better or worse its not an upgrade edit: i understand that one of the benefits of sintered pads is there is less brake fade and if you are doing continuous steep descents and slabs that it may be better for you but the bite point and modulation wont be as good there are pros and cons to each and in the end it comes down to rider preference ride style length of rides and location/type of tracks that you ride
Thanks for this Paul. I’m in the value bike market because I’ll not only be buying myself a new bike but one for my son fairly soon. I’ve got a Giant hard tail and it’s been an amazing value with a Deore drive train. That value bike will be on my short list when the time comes. If only it was red….
This have been my daily rider in October with over 300 miles on it. I love the bike,, dropper ended up getting upgraded due to a warranty but besides that I love it. Bike isn’t perfect but it is fully capable for the price!
I have a trance advanced 27.5(not a fan of 29), has SLX,4pod brakes,upgraded suspension to x2 and 160 mil up front.....I love it. Keep the vids coming!
for tall riders like myself i would never ride 27.5, 29er all the way i also ride SLX and going to upgrade my rockshox pike to 160 by changing the debonair
You get value from Giant because they build bikes for Trek among others. Our bike shop is a big Giant dealer and they have many truly legit builds. Value means getting the most for your money not cheaping out on quality. I've got a Trance 29 2 from 2020 and It is the right geometry for me.
I wanted to get this one but no bike shops near me had one in stock. Ended up with a norco fluid fs 1 which is a great bike, but im wishing I had a bit more travel when hitting jumps and drops
If you don't have an IPhone, it indicates that you're tech savvy. Everyone with an IPhone 'thinks' that other people will identify them as someone they want to be identified as. In other words, if you meet someone with an IPhone, steer clear. Ring your bell so they can get out of the way and just pass them with confidence. They don't know what they're doing.
Does anyone know how tall Paul is? I remember him saying this was a medium sized bike. I just ordered this bike in a large (had to order to get it into the shop, I can return if it doesn't fit), and I'm worried that at 5'11" (about 181 cm) the reach will be far too long for me (M is 456 and L is 486). I'm used to a hard tail with about 447mm reach. But modern geometry seems to change everything and I don't know what sizes work anymore.
"entry level bikes"/"cheap" are the same bike as the pro bikes, you get all the same things, geo, enduro fork, 12 gear drivetrain, 4 pot brakes, dropper post. that is why i always hate it when people give the excuse of "i cant do it because i have a "cheap" bike," is it not as fine tuned? yes, is it probably slightly slower? yes. but it can do everything that a 10k bike can. i love that people are going out and showing that these bikes are still great and can do whatever a 10k bike can.
I’d be more interested if it bends rims or kicks hard being flogged down a nasty track with square edge bumps/drop offs, the tracks are all too rolly to test out much other than geometry as you say.
Love the vids, not sure sintered are an upgrade, just different, resin grab better from cold, and are make less noise, though they don't last as long, sintered for big descent which we don't have in the UK.
Been looking at the Trance and Trance Jr for my son. Now I just need to actually find them in stock somewhere in the lower mainland. Better chance of finding gold in my backyard.
Just had my 2011 trance x3 from new stolen from me a few weeks ago. Was a great bike that I kept well maintained. Looks like I’ll be saving up for a new one
