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A review of the Tesla beta self driving system.
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@CGPGrey
@CGPGrey 2 года назад
Thank you so much to all the Bonnie Bees, I couldn't do this without you: www.patreon.com/cgpgrey Raw footage of the ride: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Oz4yMGbRa4Q.html
@rowinso
@rowinso 2 года назад
What’s up with the masking
@SuperflyMN
@SuperflyMN 2 года назад
This is a pretty unique CGP Grey video
@Urammar
@Urammar 2 года назад
Dude, you know this is the end right? 40% of the human workforce is just.. over. I love it, but couple this with your rules for rulers video, dang man. Dang.
@xp8969
@xp8969 2 года назад
Literally nothing about this road is anywhere near as challenging as driving in traffic on a basic city street or highway and this does nothing to prove autonomous vehicles are safe, ban this technology
@PeterSpeak
@PeterSpeak 2 года назад
@@rowinso Its to show his hands during the drive but he wanted to have a clearer image of the actual road with the other camera for the video.
@pillboxstyx
@pillboxstyx 2 года назад
The dragon has really clean road lines and is very well maintained. It may be curvy but it's still a pretty "happy path" test scenario. Owning a Tesla in Wisconsin quickly reveals the larger gaps in the software with our busted up roads and rough winters. It's incredibly impressive, but does have a long way to go on roads in disrepair.
@totlyepic
@totlyepic 2 года назад
Hell, even in this video you can see it go over the lines several times, and that's while hovering in the 15-30 mph range. Maybe a bit irresponsible to fluff it with so much praise at the end without reminding viewers of the problems it had earlier in the video.
@logitech4873
@logitech4873 2 года назад
@@totlyepic It's not really a big deal when there's no oncoming traffic to slightly cross the line on a curvy road like this. That's pretty human.
@emmanuelguzman5944
@emmanuelguzman5944 2 года назад
@@totlyepic I mean, you saw them. And he acknowledged them. Why would he keep addressing something that happened such a few percentage of the time the car was on auto-pilot?? You remember, that's kinda where it ends.
@nitehawk86
@nitehawk86 2 года назад
@@emmanuelguzman5944 "a few percentage of the time"... when it was crossing so far into the other lane that it would have ran other vehicles off the road. It only takes 1 to cause a fatal accident.
@tyrelirwin
@tyrelirwin 2 года назад
@@nitehawk86 Computers don’t sneeze. They don’t look at texts. They don’t fall asleep.
@Ani
@Ani 2 года назад
wait, grey isn't a simplistically styled stickman in real life?! I feel betrayed
@jacobdobbins5443
@jacobdobbins5443 2 года назад
And he can grow a beard...
@JM-us3fr
@JM-us3fr 2 года назад
He is, he’s just upped his animation
@HorzaPanda
@HorzaPanda 2 года назад
He's just wearing a VERY elaborate human disguise, don't fall for it
@cemafor1006
@cemafor1006 2 года назад
Did you not see the pictures at 5:53? He is just a simplistically styled stickman, just 3d
@TheJrbdog
@TheJrbdog 2 года назад
@@cemafor1006 wow, I didn't even notice that.
@ltlbuddha
@ltlbuddha 2 года назад
This wasn't a bad test, but it wasn't, IMO, a great one either. A well maintained, well marked two-lane road,;with limited crossroads in perfect weather conditions with minimal traffic. The decisions the car needed to make were minimal. The places where autopilot is going to be stressed are multi-lanes roads, cross roads, poorly marked roads, poorly maintained roads, etc.
@Kevin-dt9xm
@Kevin-dt9xm 2 года назад
exactly. in terms of programming, this was only a little harder for the car than driving in a straight line.
@chronographer
@chronographer 2 года назад
Also, the road isn't dangerous because of any objective road conditions. Just _how_ people drive a windy road.
@bayloon98
@bayloon98 2 года назад
I think this video was done more so for fun instead of an actual fully thought out test. Like it’s more “how will an AI drive on a famous American road known for its crashes?” instead of an actual QA test by an independent professional.
@Kryptomromine
@Kryptomromine 2 года назад
Agree it should try driving the streets of Maryville Tennessee only a few miles from where he turned around at. Alcoa highway next to Mcghee Tyson airport was only 30 minutes away and has been under construction for years as has most of the interstates in Knoxville I kid you not there has been a section that has been under road work since before I was born. Lane closures no markings because of them being scoured multiple lanes of traffic going 65 MPH and up. Yeah it would be fun to see AI navigate that nightmare.
@kayzeaza
@kayzeaza 2 года назад
It’s the people who make the road dangerous
@norgtube
@norgtube 2 года назад
Love how all the lane markings are crisp and it still manages to cross the double yellow. A+ lane keeping there.
@Randomperson385
@Randomperson385 2 года назад
yeah this strikes me as worrying especially because there were really no obstacles
@Phoen1x883
@Phoen1x883 2 года назад
The software is much more considerate of space around actual obstacles like other vehicles or pedestrians. Were there oncoming traffic, it would not be cutting nearly as close.
@DontThinkSo11
@DontThinkSo11 2 года назад
It clearly knows where the line is, it even shows the car touching the yellow on the visualization. It's an intentional choice to improve the driving dynamics, though imo it probably needs to be dialed back.
@carlosylagan9592
@carlosylagan9592 2 года назад
Looks very human to me. When there's no cars in sight human drivers tend to be more forgiving. Especially when taking sharp corners where you don't want to slow down to much and want to avoid extra g's.
@fatbasterd5195
@fatbasterd5195 2 года назад
Classic garbage in garbage out scenario. It was probably trained using human driving data...
@scottmUTCS
@scottmUTCS 2 года назад
Grey: "Dad, can I have the keys to the car?" Dad Grey: " Why? " Grey: "I need it for work...."
@Glassesgorilla
@Glassesgorilla 2 года назад
And technically Grey is right.
@RockyMountainMotion
@RockyMountainMotion 2 года назад
'keys' ;)
@AxxLAfriku
@AxxLAfriku 2 года назад
i was a boy. they were 138 girls. can i make it any more obvious? thats right, i had a crazy dream last night. HAHAHAHAHA!!! im the funniest youtube star ever. youre welcome for laughing dear mike
@safe-keeper1042
@safe-keeper1042 2 года назад
And in the event of an accident... "Grey, did you crash my car?!" "No dad, it crashed itself!"
@squeaksquawk4255
@squeaksquawk4255 2 года назад
@@AxxLAfriku ???
@5MadMovieMakers
@5MadMovieMakers 2 года назад
But can it drift through every turn like it's Initial D
@BlackYell0w_
@BlackYell0w_ 2 года назад
I don't think that's safe 🤔
@AjarTadpole7202
@AjarTadpole7202 2 года назад
@@BlackYell0w_ Thats the point. The only reason it's the deadliest road is because people do unsafe things on it, not because of the road itself (As many others have pointed out)
@SlowCarFast1
@SlowCarFast1 2 года назад
@@BlackYell0w_ Safer than 90% of drivers
@879PC
@879PC 2 года назад
That would be so confusing as a Tesla plays "Gas Gas Gas"
@isuckatroblox_youtube
@isuckatroblox_youtube 2 года назад
@@879PC just replace it with running in the 90's or other eurobeat
@pyalot
@pyalot 2 года назад
As easy a self-driving test as it should get. No complications, single uninterrupted road, no crossings or traffic lights. No pedestrians. No merging or overtaking. Clear and consistent markings. No traffic signs. No light signals. It is practically a road sprung from a laboratory test tube. If it wouldnt do this blindfolded something would be seriously wrong.
@yrosan
@yrosan 2 года назад
This. It's a dangerous road, for humans. We should not rate an FSD tech by human difficulty standards.
@td1559
@td1559 2 года назад
@@yrosan It was also still cutting corners, not something you want to do when there are blind turns, especially when it's a road you know people drive too fast on.
@johns9652
@johns9652 2 года назад
But what does it do when presented with "The Trolley Problem"?
@Thepiecat
@Thepiecat 2 года назад
@@johns9652 The trolley problem is a dishonest scenario. A self driving car shouldn't be caught off guard. It shouldn't even get itself into situations where it could occur.
@pyalot
@pyalot 2 года назад
@@johns9652 Currently most data for such decisions isnt there outside of very simple cases. Eventually more data will be there, and that will be an interesting societal development when we codify harm reduction ethics routines into our autonomous conveyance units.
@steefant
@steefant 2 года назад
my verdict is very different to grey's. apart from some low-visibility hairpins this was a very, very easy environment for the algorithms. continuous bright line markings, no overtaking, almost no opposing traffic, no sidewalks, crossings, actual humans, traffic lights, ... basically this was a simple line follower exercise but it did not even manage to do that completely successfully. the only upside: the programmers knew how dangerous it is and made it go really slow.
@xp8969
@xp8969 2 года назад
Literally nothing about this road is anywhere near as challenging as driving in traffic on a basic city street or highway and this does nothing to prove autonomous vehicles are safe, ban this technology
@juggernautAA12
@juggernautAA12 2 года назад
I will ask have you been there? Its hard for video to convey just how tight these turns are and how severe the elevation change is in some turns
@TheMysteryDriver
@TheMysteryDriver 2 года назад
@@juggernautAA12 but it's about the speed though. I lived with roads much sharper and harder and with greater elevation changes than the dragon but if you took them slow like this Tesla it was just tedious and boring
@MrLeoleo1994
@MrLeoleo1994 2 года назад
​@@juggernautAA12 To be honest it seems like a pretty safe mountain road compared to most of them in France. There usually is no markings because the road is not wide enough, and sometimes you have to full stop in order to safely pass an opposing car. I think it's important to make small incremental tests though and that's great, but it is difficult to be optimistic when I know it can't do a lot of things I need to do while driving.
@Chaun1998
@Chaun1998 2 года назад
@@juggernautAA12 the dude is spamming that comment all over the thread. He's just butthurt that we will be banning human drivers in the next decade, since you have heard about every single crash one of these causes, but if we were to list off every human caused accident, the news would never end.
@ThatCubicBoy
@ThatCubicBoy 2 года назад
5:54 The little detail of putting his stick figure character in his place is just so funny and wall made!
@j.j.schlachtfeld9325
@j.j.schlachtfeld9325 2 года назад
The road itself looks amazing to drive as a scenic route, but while very twisty, what makes it dangerous seems to be the stupidity of people driving on it. Even if you're following the rules and not putting yourself in danger, you still are hugely dependent on whether other people on the road are as well. The fact that it has gained such a reputation doesn't help either.
@rGunti
@rGunti 2 года назад
This. I come from a very mountainous country where roads are rarely straight for long (even motorways) so people are used to that. And still "accidents" happen every now and then.
@Petalflipper
@Petalflipper 2 года назад
Yeah, this looks no worse than roads up here in Washington with major highways across it, or state routes.
@youkofoxy
@youkofoxy 2 года назад
It looks like a 40 to 60 road if you are in a hurry. Impossible to get over 60 there, there isn't much room for mistakes. Overall, more of a scenic route, except it has loots of tree ls and few outlooks. Speeds are in km/h by the way.
@mafiacat88
@mafiacat88 2 года назад
Exactly this. One of the more dangerous highways in the country is near where I am, but driving it you wouldn't really understand-it's well marked, reasonably wide, and the speed limit is only 80k/h. It's twisty, and there are no dividers, (and no streetlights), but it's a decent road. The problem is people get complacent, doing it as a commute, and start driving a twisty mountain road in the dark too fast. All it takes is one person crossing the line, and you got a head-on collision at a cumulative 200k/h
@sweetlorikeet
@sweetlorikeet 2 года назад
Yes, you can be doing all the right things but if someone coming the other way is about to swerve into your lane around the blind corner to save .5 seconds on their 'speed run', you're still in trouble.
@TheJesterInYellow
@TheJesterInYellow 2 года назад
I'm so glad everyone in the comments is treating this as the interesting-yet-not-groundbreaking display it is. People can get way too overexcited by self-driving cars *cough*veritasium*cough* and go overboard with their praise.
@Furycrab
@Furycrab 2 года назад
A lot of people are scared of change and this is one where one day they will replace humans driving. You'll have companies lobbying against it even in RU-vid comment sections for years possibly decades. For me, it's an inevitability, because ultimately the technology just needs to drive better than humans and not be perfect, and we are bad at driving. Just might not go full autonomous in my lifetime.
@emptyshirt
@emptyshirt 2 года назад
@@Furycrab The thing is that you can't ban human driven cars until there is a completely functional replacement established. Full self driving literally doesn't exist yet and some people think self driving cars will be mandatory in 20 years. Remember that the average car lasts 11 years and today most new cars are still gasoline powered. There is no way self driving cars will make a significant impact in the next 10 years outside of the wealthiest areas.
@SRFriso94
@SRFriso94 2 года назад
@@Furycrab The problem is that Grey is presenting this like a 'the future is now, old man' video, when it's not. This road isn't dangerous, the way people drive on it is dangerous, and that Tesla is programmed to obey the rules of the road. If you watch the uncut version, that car really struggles with tight bends, and goes over the yellow lines multiple times. That technology is not finished. A real test would be driving this thing into the center of Amsterdam, where the roads are narrow, and there are obstacles and blind corners everywhere. There are trams, and taxis, and cyclists, all of whom will take the right of way, whether they have it or not.
@paolob.5667
@paolob.5667 2 года назад
@@Furycrab yes, they are going to replace us, but I think our best shot is an investment in public transport
@edwardcardona717
@edwardcardona717 2 года назад
The difference with Veritasium is that his was wholly an advertisement video, part of a media project/campaign by the company he showcased
@henrycgs
@henrycgs 2 года назад
to those unaware, Tesla is taking down videos of the fsd beta failing miserably. it's against their terms of service. there have already been a handful of accidents.
@ChronitonMechanics
@ChronitonMechanics 2 года назад
Even in my country, I dont really think I can seriously consider such a well maintened road dangerous...
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 2 года назад
It's a beautiful road too, weird that people wanna rush past it
@gifttanz
@gifttanz 2 года назад
In my country this is basically a major route i mean it has TWO SIDES! LIKE going one way and the other way like WOW we do those curves and more on single track and pray you don't have to reverse up or down the hill if someone comes and there are no passing places XD
@csn583
@csn583 2 года назад
So you'd never run on a trail? 🤨
@sweetwater88
@sweetwater88 2 года назад
North Carolina generally has the best roads on the East Coast--highest road tax on the east coast. Not sure about Tennessee but I suspect it's okay as well.
@IstasPumaNevada
@IstasPumaNevada 2 года назад
As others have said, it's not; the road isn't the problem, the dipshits who drive there explicitly to drive too fast are the problem. The title is fairly clickbaity. If it had said "twistiest road in the U.S.", that would have been a much better thing to focus on.
@niksld
@niksld 2 года назад
I dont know why but the little touch of Winter “reacting” made me smile so much.
@KarolaTea
@KarolaTea 2 года назад
So... what makes that road so dangerous, aside from idiots driving too fast? Seems like a fairly well maintained stretch without any/many branches, crossings, or whatnot. That should be an easy task for a self driving car.
@stokkie01
@stokkie01 2 года назад
This! That's not a dangerous road, the people driving it are dangerous. Let the autopilot drive as fast as it can, and it will be dangerous. (if that was possible)
@DarkDutch007
@DarkDutch007 2 года назад
The dangerous bit is when you leave the road itself, either by reckless driving and/or bad visibility due to weather and/or the location of the sun.
@Woodshadow
@Woodshadow 2 года назад
@@stokkie01 I think it was driving as fast as it can. It automatically slows it self around corners when it thinks it needs to slow down. He may have the speed set as a max 30 but the car rarely got all the way to 30
@Falcodrin
@Falcodrin 2 года назад
Its the combo of people driving so fast they fly off the road, harleys out for a slow cruise, and idiocy.
@charlesclark3840
@charlesclark3840 2 года назад
What makes "the Dragon" famous is a combination of a) how curvy it is and b) that it has a fairly long stretch with *zero* intersections or driveways of any kind. Your only worry driving it is people right in front of you crashing, and people coming the other way crossing the center.
@alsifjlasieflooo
@alsifjlasieflooo 2 года назад
I don't want to step on any toes here, but in Switzerland this would be a pretty normal mountain road; except there would be some form of guard rail or stone wall along the WHOLE road and there would be signs with reflective arrows pointing indicating the direction of the turns (especially imprtant at night). We have mountain roads even smalller than that, there are traffic lights, because in parts the road is only wide enough for one lane to go through at a time. The alps are full of such roads. Of course we have wider mountain roads too, but in the rural areas it's pretty much like this or even narrower. Buses ("Postautos") use these roads too. They have a signature horn the use before blind corners. It's all very normal here, no overabundance of crashes or anything. If an incident / accident happens in the mountains, there is the "Rega", a non-profit air ambulance to rush the injured to the nearest hospital. In the mountains this is often the quickes way compared to road-based ambulances an in case of injured hikers or climbers the only option. Their phone number is 1414. Edit: Thanks you gals & guys for the lovely discussion and for making this my most upvoted comment ever :)
@Chaun1998
@Chaun1998 2 года назад
It is only the deadliest road in the US because of all the people treating it like it is a one way closed track. Remove those idiots and it is just some sharp corners and steep elevation changes.
@somenamelastnaammee52
@somenamelastnaammee52 2 года назад
Moar chocolate
@gerardofb2994
@gerardofb2994 2 года назад
@@Chaun1998 and I bet that most of those idiots are drunk
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 2 года назад
@@Chaun1998 Plus, apparently, nobody cares about installing guardrails in America.
@CrooningRevival365
@CrooningRevival365 2 года назад
Oh Europe. You had me at “non profit air ambulance”…ours are for profit and not covered by insurance.
@thevictoryoverhimself7298
@thevictoryoverhimself7298 2 года назад
Tail of the dragon is EXTREMELY fun. I could be mistaken but i think i heard the reason its so flowing and natural is its just a paved dirt road and that dirt road might have been just made from a deer trail. So the design of it was done organically by nature.
@IceFireBlast
@IceFireBlast 2 года назад
Looking at the road and doing research, I don't think there was a danger of the Tesla crashing into anything, rather, the danger was 'is anyone going to crash into you?' Most of the problems for the road seem to just be reckless drivers. Otherwise, it's just a twisty road, and if it's built to proper specifications then the Tesla should have no problem dealing with it.
@bradenculver7457
@bradenculver7457 2 года назад
Well it does pretty well with these well maintained lines, in the full video it quite literally crosses the entirety of the double lines into the other lane a few times, at one point being almost entirely there in a blind corner. If a car were coming, it would’ve absolutely been the teslas fault there, neither it nor an oncoming driver would’ve had time to react because the Tesla was in the wrong lane in a blind corner. So the Tesla definitely does have some issues. I really don’t think this software is fully developed enough to be placed on every road, but it is getting more and more impressive. Even watching it, I could tell for a lot of the time it wasn’t necessarily dangerous, but I would not want to be veering that far out without the ability to quickly recorrect, which is why you should have your hands on the wheel but of course… people are people and full self driving is a rather deceiving term.
@niklasmolen4753
@niklasmolen4753 2 года назад
The road looks great. The problem is idiots on the road. They should set up a dozen surveillance cameras, it might help a little anyway.
@OneDollarWilliam
@OneDollarWilliam 2 года назад
I would love to know how it handles Newfound Gap (US441). It goes through GSMNP about 30mi. north of US29 and is probably more twisty, but it's got pull-offs, scenic overlooks, and trailheads from end to end (Also, at least the last time I saw it, it was nowhere near as well maintained.) *I* often have trouble telling if a car is fully parked at a pull-off or is about to zip out in front of me , so I imagine it would be a rough time for the Tesla.
@carlosylagan9592
@carlosylagan9592 2 года назад
@@bradenculver7457 Actually based on other tesla driving videos it would've slowed down and swerved back into it's lane before the approaching car got close enough. That scenario is well defined and easily identifiable. The areas where it has problems would be things things it hasn't seen before or rarely and needs training data. Unmarked roads, random construction signs/markers/pylons, strange markings on vehicles...etc. Those things it needs a lot of work on but they're also not typical.
@kigiphoto638
@kigiphoto638 2 года назад
@@bradenculver7457 The Tesla can react fast enough, and was going slow enough, it could have moved over.
@bencurtis5149
@bencurtis5149 2 года назад
I'll be honest, and I realise this could just be a distorted perspective from the camera, but this road does not look unsafe at all, the turns look managable, and the road itself is in excellent condition, in rural Australia you will find roads at least as winding that are not paved at all. The only danger as far as I can see, is the reputation and subsequent foolish drivers an motorcyclists who drive on it extremely unsafely. Let me know if I am incorrect though if you are familiar with this road and/or other mountain roads
@thedeviantguy
@thedeviantguy 2 года назад
The danger isn’t the road, it’s the humans on it. That’s where all the danger comes from when driving: humans.
@bencurtis5149
@bencurtis5149 2 года назад
@@thedeviantguy I mean I have to disagree with you there, putting all the responsibility of safety in drivers is ignoring the very real aspect of road design and safety measures, something this road clearly does very well and an unpaved road on the edge of a bare cliff with no railing would conversely not do well.
@bencurtis5149
@bencurtis5149 2 года назад
That being said in this case yes the people are actually the worst
@PianoKwanMan
@PianoKwanMan 2 года назад
@@thedeviantguy The human behind the wheel is also the reason why roads are safe
@sleepyduxx9555
@sleepyduxx9555 2 года назад
It's the mental stress comes from continuous turns and the reputation it has which causes humans to make mistakes. On usual roads one wouldn't need to be this tense about like million turns.
@alexprice8280
@alexprice8280 2 года назад
Now whilst many debate the effectiveness of this test, I view it as amazing for one clear reason: The department which manages this road, despite its fame and supposed danger, has kept this road so well maintained that an AI can safely traverse it on its own. It also presents a theory of what if there are multiple self driving cars alongside multiple manual motorists and etc, and if self driving cars could also then at a point comfortably aid drivers who were traversing incredably long stretches of road and had little time to make stops, with the potential of running into a road like this being less of a threat or obstacle and rather just another part of the trip.
@NoriMori1992
@NoriMori1992 2 года назад
Grey a few years ago: I have driving anxiety, and driving on a highway at night while tired (albeit with partial self-driving) was so dangerous in retrospect that I couldn't even put cheerful music over the footage. Grey now: Let's put my entire life in a full self-driving _beta's_ hands on The Deadliest Road in America! WOOOOO!
@AndyZach
@AndyZach 2 года назад
Yes, I remembered that episode too. I think CGP Grey gets really freaked out by nighttime driving for some reason.
@Brent-jj6qi
@Brent-jj6qi 2 года назад
@@AndyZach he had a wreck cause of night time driving
@uarthchylde
@uarthchylde 2 года назад
Lockdown has really changed everyone
@csn583
@csn583 2 года назад
For the actual danger involved, that all makes complete sense. There is nothing actually dangerous about this road, and a slow day like this noone's d4iving crazy either ...except this AP disaster.
@doggo7078
@doggo7078 2 года назад
wasnt he in UK?
@skenzyme81
@skenzyme81 2 года назад
"Welcome to America's MOST FUN to drive road. I came here specifically NOT TO DRIVE."
@startrek2365
@startrek2365 2 года назад
Sounds like Grey to me.
@Connor-jl9gq
@Connor-jl9gq 2 года назад
its a very grey thing to do when you think about it
@skenzyme81
@skenzyme81 2 года назад
Grey: "Winter, can I drive on the fun road?" Winter: "We have fun roads at home, Grey."
@thomastakesatollforthedark2231
@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 2 года назад
Fun=Deadly apparantly
@tony_5156
@tony_5156 2 года назад
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 exactly
@FishfaceTheDestroyer
@FishfaceTheDestroyer 2 года назад
This is a perfect example of how what's easy for humans and what's easy for machines are not strictly overlapping.
@Faulheit
@Faulheit 2 года назад
the most dangerous part about that road seems to be other ppl going ape mode on their 2 ton death machine
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 2 года назад
That's the most dangerous part about almost every road, besides maybe some mountain trails in the Peruvian highlands or something.
@tony_5156
@tony_5156 2 года назад
It’s damn fun
@eleSDSU
@eleSDSU 2 года назад
@@lonestarr1490 No, I've driven those kind of roads and like with everything else in life the most dangerous thing is always other people. I recommend taking peek at the Chilean side of the Chile/Argentina "Paso Libertadores" crossing, a shitty road filled with so many incredibly sharp turns, it's bonkers and doubly so when there's white wind, you have at most 6 ft of visibility in front of you, a Tesla would just kill people there.
@SlowCarFast1
@SlowCarFast1 2 года назад
@@tony_5156 Damn right
@ADirtyScrub
@ADirtyScrub 2 года назад
The song that starts at 4:10 and isn't listed in the description is Antidote X by Van Sandano.
@white_shadow_123
@white_shadow_123 2 года назад
But it's only dangerous because it's a nice curvy road on which people like to drive as fast as possible. If everyone was following the speed limit I am confident it wouldn't be any more dangerous than your average road...
@cadekachelmeier7251
@cadekachelmeier7251 2 года назад
So, still quite dangerous.
@faragar1791
@faragar1791 2 года назад
Nothing about "dragon's tail" itself is particularly "dangerous". The road is dangerous because it has so many reckless drivers on it. Take the reckless drivers out of the equations and just about any self-driving car could navigate this road because the only thing the car would need to do is follow the lines on the road. Making robots that follow lines on roads is what middle schoolers do in their extracurricular robotics classes. The only thing this video demonstrates is that Tesla cars can do the bare minimum of "self-driving".
@HeythemMD
@HeythemMD 2 года назад
Guess who doesn't drive over the speed limit in dangerous conditions? Autonomous cars.
@Arlae_Nova
@Arlae_Nova 2 года назад
@@HeythemMD Guess who is not going to drive autonomous cars if the point of the drive on the dragon's tail is having fun? Humans.
@csn583
@csn583 2 года назад
Guess what drives dangerously slowly in surprisingly simple situations? Autonomous cars. (And really, really bad drivers.)
@grigorigahan
@grigorigahan 2 года назад
If I didn't believe I'd get run over by a 16 year old in a civic, I'd love to ride this on my bicycle.
@ares106
@ares106 2 года назад
I think a busy urban street in the middle of the day is a much harder test than the dragon for this kind of tech.
@xp8969
@xp8969 2 года назад
Literally nothing about this road is anywhere near as challenging as driving in traffic on a basic city street or highway and this does nothing to prove autonomous vehicles are safe, ban this technology
@faragar1791
@faragar1791 2 года назад
I know right? Nothing about "dragon's tail" itself is particularly "dangerous". The road is dangerous because it has so many reckless drivers on it. Take the reckless drivers out of the equations and just about any self-driving car could navigate this road because the only thing the car would need to do is follow the lines on the road. Making robots that follow lines on roads is what middle schoolers do in their extracurricular robotics classes. The only thing this video demonstrates is that Tesla cars can do the bare minimum of "self-driving".
@VitalVampyr
@VitalVampyr 2 года назад
@@xp8969 Don't be a Luddite. Human drivers are often unsafe as well, and unlike humans the autonomous vehicles will keep getting safer. In fact (assuming that you aren't already past your life expectancy) you'll probably see a day when governments seriously consider banning manual driving due to the danger.
@PeterSpeak
@PeterSpeak 2 года назад
@@faragar1791 I mean, thats why this isn't available to the general public. I think its incredible that we have come this far. Im not trying to rush autonomous driving. We'll see videos like this on busy streets when the tech is ready. For now just enjoy the ride ;)
@adrianthoroughgood1191
@adrianthoroughgood1191 2 года назад
@@VitalVampyr Manual driving will never be banned in America. Look how much trouble they have regulating actively dangerous things like guns. Maybe within certain city limits the local government will ban it. In China it's much more likely there could be a general ban.
@kingjulien6727
@kingjulien6727 2 года назад
Nice, But It’s such a simple road with perfect lines on both sides- I would be disappointed if it didn’t manage to be honest… Chaotic city traffic would be much more interesting!
@xp8969
@xp8969 2 года назад
Literally nothing about this road is anywhere near as challenging as driving in traffic on a basic city street or highway and this does nothing to prove autonomous vehicles are safe, ban this technology
@kingjulien6727
@kingjulien6727 2 года назад
@@xp8969 A ban is not ideal imo let’s see what Innovation the automakers manage to pull off. What should be done instead is to improve infrastructure and keep cars out of city centres.
@Kiddo311
@Kiddo311 2 года назад
Just google FST 1.6.1 Beta. there's tons of videos of early testers. The system is getting better every two weeks at the moment.
@koyrehme4361
@koyrehme4361 2 года назад
I want to see how it handles bad roads. Potholes, faded lines, snow-covered roads, etc. Urban environments have one set of challenges, and so do unmaintained rural roads.
@xp8969
@xp8969 2 года назад
@@kingjulien6727 40 years ago my city banned vehicle traffic from one street at the core of our downtown and it destroyed every single business turning it into a ghost town, 5 years ago they reopened the street to traffic and businesses are now thriving again
@ticketmachine
@ticketmachine 2 года назад
I take car meets out to the dragon all the time. Rules are: Keep 2 cars spacing and never cross the yellow lines. The dangerous part of this road are the blind corners and the sharp turns. You have to brake way harder than you think. Honestly, this road is much more forgiving on brakes than a circuit track, but the lack of visibility and the constraint of being stuck in 1 lane has tricked even experienced track drivers in my experience. This bit of road is a lot of fun, just takes discipline and awareness to enjoy it. Never drive alone in this road.
@tealruby1
@tealruby1 2 года назад
That's actually an interesting question on what's harder on the brakes. Last time I ran deals gap I COOKED my brakes. There is no 1.5 mile straight like on a track to cool the brakes. It's throttle/brake/throttle/brake constantly for 20 minutes.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
@@tealruby1 Then you should have accelerated less to save on energy deposited into brake pads.
@tealruby1
@tealruby1 2 года назад
@@johndododoe1411 I didn't fly across the country to drive the gap so I could drive slowly 😉
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 2 года назад
@@tealruby1 Not slowly, just slow enough for the brakes to survive for another drive. Also, how did you fit your car into airline luggage?
@tealruby1
@tealruby1 2 года назад
@@johndododoe1411 Southwest has a very generous carry on policy.
@Zcon18
@Zcon18 2 года назад
Truck Driver: I got a little lost Grey: the police were waiting for him down the road
@JonathanQShrimpling
@JonathanQShrimpling 2 года назад
You saw that part of the video too?
@DeathToMockingBirds
@DeathToMockingBirds 2 года назад
Next, go in the Alps of Switzerland if you want tight corners, huge cliffs, small roads. This road looks very safe in comparison.
@camiloxrq6346
@camiloxrq6346 2 года назад
He can also go to the Andes in latinoamerica That road seem to be pretty normal to me (.-. )
@mallomon
@mallomon 2 года назад
Or tons of other places in the US.
@Taladar2003
@Taladar2003 2 года назад
Some of the Canary Island roads, e.g. on La Gomera, come to mind too.
@martinzihlmann822
@martinzihlmann822 2 года назад
Literally the same thought, doesn't look like a mountain road to me 😆
@otarsulava
@otarsulava 2 года назад
1:44 - if curious, the motorcycle is: Thoroughbred stallion trike
@jackbubblegum
@jackbubblegum 2 года назад
Thanks!
@Aaron-rq4cs
@Aaron-rq4cs 2 года назад
Grey, I think this video isn’t entirely honest about the abilities of the car. After watching 15 or so minutes of the uncut footage, I saw a handful of times where if there was person in the left lane around a blind corner you could have seriously hurt them. I like and believe in self driving cars but if someone does this on a day with 20% more traffic they are going to get hurt or possibly worse.
@seanthesheep
@seanthesheep 2 года назад
It could be possible that the car takes riskier moves when there's no one in the other lane. If there was an oncoming car, then it'd probably be more precise in its movements at the cost of perhaps slowing down more
@Aaron-rq4cs
@Aaron-rq4cs 2 года назад
Right, but they key here is around the blind corners where people are going waayyyyy over the speed limit. If the Tesla is 75-50% in the left lane when it detects the vehicle around a blind corner it’s already too late. The censors can’t detect moving objects that are around corners.
@LoganLeGrand
@LoganLeGrand 2 года назад
@@seanthesheep It's literally reckless driving on this road. The reason it's known to be so dangerous is because people think this is okay.
@mechanomics2649
@mechanomics2649 2 года назад
To say nothing of the fact that a beta test for a system like this is being conducted in open public, where no one else has consented to said test. Regardless, to call something like this "Full Self Driving" is completely dishonest and demonstrably dangerous.
@hantms
@hantms 2 года назад
Roads like that seem actually easier than most to do via software; they're basically just twisty but also quite easy to drive because no intersections, pedestrians or other stuff going on. That a lot of people die is because of all the nonsense people get up to; it seems a very nice relaxing drive compared to trying to navigate a downtown area of a major city.
@Mike-rx5uu
@Mike-rx5uu 2 года назад
The Blue Ridge Parkway an hour or so away would probably be much more difficult. It has a center line painted but doesn't have the outside white lines (so it 'blends into the landscape and has a rural feel'). Though generally the parkway has guardrails on areas of steep drop off.
@PianoKwanMan
@PianoKwanMan 2 года назад
It would be interesting to see it navigate an obstruction which has not had traffic management in place yet. Would it deliberately break the solid line (something usually illegal) to do something perfectly legal under the circumstances?
@daftrok
@daftrok 2 года назад
He encountered literally no one on his side and passed by a whopping 4 cars. And the road is insanely well maintained there wasn't even a single branch. The tech is cool but autopilot could have done this no problem.
@georgeprout42
@georgeprout42 2 года назад
When a self driving car can negotiate Swindon's Magic Roundabout (which has multiple routes to the same exit) then I'll consider it's reached beta stage.
@tobybartels8426
@tobybartels8426 2 года назад
I watched some videos of this. It took me a little while to notice (probably because I'm American and the roundabout is British) that the cars are going the wrong way around the inner circle. But this gave me an idea: to think of the central circle as not a roundabout at all but a city block! Then it all makes much more sense, not only the direction but also why the inner circle doesn't have the right of way. Those cars aren't on a roundabout; they're going around a block that has a roundabout at each of its five intersections.
@sirhc1528
@sirhc1528 2 года назад
I drive a street like this every day on my way to work. And they are nothing unusual in Germany. Its kinda interesting how this attracts so many driver just because it is something different from the 6 lane straight forward streets.
@growlith6969
@growlith6969 2 года назад
I really enjoyed driving over there, like you said the curvy roads are normal. The cars on a whole were pretty small and boring though. Even the race rental at the ring was a 1 series. Meh.....
@icejadechica
@icejadechica 2 года назад
It's literally just the roads reputation. Most roads in Pennsylvania are this curvy (and people go pretty fast there too). Rural roads are curvy. The danger on this dragon road is the other drivers, and sheer volume of idiots.
@elijaha773
@elijaha773 2 года назад
Most people don't like driving on stroads.
@loganhagendoorn6327
@loganhagendoorn6327 2 года назад
This is kind of interesting. I live in California, and here, we have tons of mountain roads just like this. I think there are two main differences: for one, there are way less people on them most of the time, and the people there don't try to test how fast they can go. Pretty interesting if you ask me.
@TheDaringPastry1313
@TheDaringPastry1313 2 года назад
Winter definitely crossed the yellow line at spots. What happens if she was across the yellow line and a car was coming ... does she automatically correct it? Glad she made it, but still curious about some things.
@SatansBestBuddy1
@SatansBestBuddy1 2 года назад
my thoughts exactly, I wouldn't call this a pass when the car went over double lines and, by the interface and screen, *knew* that it went over double lines.
@matthewdriver334
@matthewdriver334 2 года назад
Beta definitely behaves differently when other objects (eg cars, pedestrians) are on the road. This changes the drivable space. With no other cars, the lane markings are just guidelines.
@robertbatts
@robertbatts 2 года назад
It does move over, if it can see the other car coming. Unfortunately, on winding roads, most curves are blind and the car can't see oncoming traffic.
@theharbingerofconflation
@theharbingerofconflation 2 года назад
That scraped the midline a lot, it's like the main reason for deadly accidents.
@logitech4873
@logitech4873 2 года назад
It probably wouldn't if there was oncoming traffic.
@havtor007
@havtor007 2 года назад
@@logitech4873 Probably and it wouldn't are 2 seperate things
@logitech4873
@logitech4873 2 года назад
@@havtor007 Not in my sentence. The FSD software isn't so rigid as to just follow the same path no matter what - it'll adjust based on surrounding road and traffic. I say "probably" because he didn't test it for us, but having seen a whole lot of FSD driving (AI DRIVR RU-vid channel) I'm pretty confident.
@theharbingerofconflation
@theharbingerofconflation 2 года назад
@@logitech4873 You'd think it wouldn't do that anyways since even the 4 cameras can't see beyond that turn.
@logitech4873
@logitech4873 2 года назад
@@theharbingerofconflation The car is very spatially conscious. It would definitely give space if a car came along.
@urmomgay
@urmomgay 2 года назад
Grey on the Loneliest Road: *death and destruction and existentialism thoughts activated* Grey on the Deadliest Road: *ahh i'll be fine with this BETA software*
@Ewyndall
@Ewyndall 2 года назад
A fun video but it should be mentioned that this is probably the easiest test for a self-driving vehicle. The Dragon's Tail is a challenge for human drivers but not for an AI. It's basically just one long road with no intersections, no crossings, no interruptions of any kind and there was practically no traffic. I don't want to discredit Tesla or the achievements they have made along the road to fully autonomous vehicles, it is remarkable and should be celebrated! However, I think people shouldn't read too much into this road test, we are still many years from level 4 or level 5 automation. But it's coming :)
@SamuelFanara
@SamuelFanara 2 года назад
It still baffles me how Grey can make videos like Humans Need Not Apply and Rules For Rulers, and not infer from those videos that massive tech companies being allowed to develop these technologies as they see fit, own the rights to all the software and all of the means of producing the technology is a HUGE impending obstacle to the prospect of future democracy. And then not only that goes and basically gives free PR to one of those companies’ products that ultimately is the most profitable but least efficient way of solving sustainable transport. Accepting the status quo and being “apolitical” is a very political choice whether that’s easy to accept or not.
@geekcatsunited4527
@geekcatsunited4527 2 года назад
^^^
@nomodz4real
@nomodz4real 2 года назад
Here Here!
@kevintusinski8500
@kevintusinski8500 2 года назад
0:27, can we all just appreciate the beautiful and mesmerizing mountains and forests.
@edlyness4891
@edlyness4891 2 года назад
I appreciate how self driving cars are an exciting new technology, but fundamentally Grey, society's overdependence on cars (self driving, electric or otherwise) is inefficient, costly and environmentally harmful. Sustainable transit like cycling, trains and trams must be widely accepted by society if we are to end traffic and find a climate solution. Love your videos Grey
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 2 года назад
It's peak car culture to own a car that you don't want to drive
@41-Haiku
@41-Haiku 2 года назад
The phrase "Car Culture" bugs me so much because it sounds like victim blaming. "Car Culture" is downstream of urban planning and the sheer size of the States. It's not as if everybody is just infatuated with a bad idea. Cars are just physically necessary in the vast majority of the US, and in the cities where they _should_ be rare, the urban planners did everything inside out and backwards. It'll take a hundred years to undo, and the incentives just aren't there to fix it.
@tony_5156
@tony_5156 2 года назад
@@crackedemerald4930 if you own a 1/1 Ferrari and plan to sell it at auction sure
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 2 года назад
@@tony_5156 at that point it's just an art piece that can drive
@Spoco
@Spoco 2 года назад
Great! Now try the same thing on a similarly curvy road where the road markings are covered by snow.
@Taladar2003
@Taladar2003 2 года назад
Or leaves
@startek119
@startek119 2 года назад
Honestly that road is perfect for Tesla’s. Traffic isn’t complex and the road is clearly defined.
@prabhatsourya3883
@prabhatsourya3883 2 года назад
The “self driving” tech reminds me of a famous Jeremy Clarkson quote: “You make a self driving car, sit in it without using any of the controls, and let the car drive itself along the old Yungas Road from start to finish. If there is no poo in your pants at the end of the route, I’ll buy that car.”
@blythethemad
@blythethemad 2 года назад
Lmao that hilarious
@idontcare6736
@idontcare6736 2 года назад
I wonder how it would handle the road being covered by leaves It depends so heavily on road markings that I doubt it could work without them
@laurencefraser
@laurencefraser 2 года назад
Then there's the issue of different countries using radically different road markings. New Zealand, for example, has (or had last I had reason to look outside of the city I live in) many roads that have a single dashed white line down the middle and... that's it.
@DontThinkSo11
@DontThinkSo11 2 года назад
Where I live all the trees are dropping their leaves right now, and many of the curbs and outer lines are covered. No problems with FSD Beta so far.
@tank7474
@tank7474 2 года назад
@@DontThinkSo11 tbh these kinds of cars should just compile user data on the position of their cars on the street and then determine where it should by off GPS. If its accurate ofc
@Pazer
@Pazer 2 года назад
Humans typically also depend a lot on road markings
@IstasPumaNevada
@IstasPumaNevada 2 года назад
​@@tank7474 I don't think GPS would be accurate enough, especially when there's interference from storms or nearby buildings/trees/other traffic/etc. Plus it wouldn't be able to instantly adapt to changing road conditions, like new construction or debris on the road or whatnot. If it can be made to work, it's much more flexible and safer to observe the surroundings real-time and decide what to do.
@Alex_Howe
@Alex_Howe 2 года назад
This road is literally in pristine condition, great visibility, etc. And like other have pointed out, there are times it can barely handle even that. Come on man.
@richardavsmith
@richardavsmith 2 года назад
I love how "super dangerous" US roads just look like your average rural UK road.
@Len923_
@Len923_ 2 года назад
An interesting question: were there any times where, if there had been oncoming traffic, you would've disengaged, but you decided not to because there was an empty road? (for example;, during those left turns close to the line?)
@DrewCNewOrleans
@DrewCNewOrleans 2 года назад
I drive a SDB Tesla model 3 and the car usually adjusts when seeing an incoming car on a 2 lane highway like that. It's scary AF but it should be ok
@adrianthoroughgood1191
@adrianthoroughgood1191 2 года назад
@@DrewCNewOrleans on a normal highway the car could see the oncoming vehicle from further away than on these tree lined tight corners. But the computer's reaction times are much faster than human once it can see the obstacle so maybe it's fine.
@RealCadde
@RealCadde 2 года назад
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Computer may react faster but they don't see as well as humans do. A human can see a car coming through foliage but the computer might only react when it clearly sees the oncoming car. Also, the oncoming car might also be going over the lines and the computer will react "safely" (read, not make any sudden adjustments because it's programmed not to) and a collision will be inevitable. A human might react properly (turn sharply) and might see the danger coming through leaves and such. But overall, humans are really really bad at driving too. Computers CAN do it better.
@juliahello6673
@juliahello6673 2 года назад
The car sees better than humans because the computer can use algorithms to increase visibility. So for example it can look at many frames over time that have bits of a car that a human or computer wouldn’t see and fold them together into a picture. There are videos of FSD cars seeing things that you don’t see even if you watch the video over and over again.
@csn583
@csn583 2 года назад
That's a joke, the awareness is different but there are plenty of thing a human can see that AP cannot. Not understanding that the photographer's car was well off the road is an obvious example.
@MorteTheSkull
@MorteTheSkull 2 года назад
It's wonderful, probably life-saving technology. Would be awesome if it was being used for a robust bussing, train, trolley, etc system instead of to manage traffic of the least efficient and most financially incentivized way to move humans from one place to another.
@grenzviel4480
@grenzviel4480 2 года назад
Dude, trains already go on a fixed path, and all of public transport carry tens or hundreds, maybe thousands of people everyday. If you automate those, you'll only be removing their "drivers", which is a relatively low number, compared to the number of people driving their own car on the road. The point is to replace human drivers eventually.
@MorteTheSkull
@MorteTheSkull 2 года назад
@@grenzviel4480 did you read any words besides "train?"
@Pfromm007
@Pfromm007 2 года назад
Just gotta get human drivers, politicians and lobbyists out of the way.
@grenzviel4480
@grenzviel4480 2 года назад
@@MorteTheSkull trolleys also go on a fixed path. Some busses have different paths with other busses, but they are also usually on a fixed path (because it is public.. duh?). The point was, he was thinking about public transport. My point was that it's private transport that needed this tech, not public, because private transport account to a much more significant transportation inefficiency and safety concerns. Seriously, if UBER was as cheap as public transport like busses, a LOT of people wouldn't even get a car. And if the car was fully automated and has an attachment for a bicycle, you'd see a lot more people in bicycles.
@OntarioTrafficMan
@OntarioTrafficMan 2 года назад
There have been driverless trains in regular service since the 1980's. The entire Vancouver SkyTrain is driverless. The entire London Docklands Light Railway is driverless. Many airports have driverless shuttles between terminals. Nearly all modern high-speeds drive themselves (Automatic Train Operation), though they have human drivers for redundancy and for the segments on older railways leading to the high speed lines.
@Rocco_Speranza
@Rocco_Speranza 2 года назад
It's important to note that new beta updates have come out since this video was recorded. Living in Western NC, curves have improved substantially in the last few updates, all of which came out after this video.
@vincentmuyo
@vincentmuyo 2 года назад
They fixed the roads that fast? :o
@thischannelhasnocontent8629
@thischannelhasnocontent8629 2 года назад
It's ridiculous that this software is in BETA and is being used by average consumers to control 2 ton death machines.
@Excludos
@Excludos 2 года назад
@@thischannelhasnocontent8629 Not at all. Beta just means that it's not the final product. It doesn't mean that the features that are there aren't complete or safe
@thischannelhasnocontent8629
@thischannelhasnocontent8629 2 года назад
@@Excludos I can tell by observing that the features that are there are demonstrably NOT safe.
@Excludos
@Excludos 2 года назад
@@thischannelhasnocontent8629 i can tell by owning a Tesla that they are pretty safe
@mechanomics2649
@mechanomics2649 2 года назад
I have no idea how Tesla has gotten away with beta testing something like this in public. Other people did not consent to be part of said tests.
@The360MlgNoscoper
@The360MlgNoscoper 2 года назад
Other people don’t consent to anyone driving on the road
@mechanomics2649
@mechanomics2649 2 года назад
@@The360MlgNoscoper Yes, they absolutely do. What are you talking about? People who drive reasonably expect others to be driving as well.
@The360MlgNoscoper
@The360MlgNoscoper 2 года назад
@@mechanomics2649 That's not the meaning of consent? The same logic applies to self-driving cars.
@arieldahl
@arieldahl 2 года назад
it's a simple question of what the regulating body (of the state or country) allows. no one asks you wether you agree that Simon drives- the regulator decides the criteria for needing and getting licenses, and for allowing cars to drive on the road. some will ban old cars from driving on certain roads and conditions, some will decree yearly tests at the DMV, or will ban the vehicle from crossing state lines without registration (assuming that they allow such a car to drive on state roads). in this case, regulators decide if to allow 'self-driving' features and under what certifications or tests.
@misteratoz
@misteratoz 2 года назад
Tesla isn't driving people against their will. The people using it assume full control.
@Whamcloud
@Whamcloud 2 года назад
this road feels like half of the rural roads in germany
@VideoTechExplained
@VideoTechExplained 2 года назад
I love how transparently excited Grey is to drive a Tesla in dangerous circumstances again
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 года назад
It's been a while, but Grey is back in the driving seat of a car that's driving itself.
@SlowCarFast1
@SlowCarFast1 2 года назад
"Dangerous circumstances"
@Srdjana-
@Srdjana- 2 года назад
Grey : " She did the whole road all by herself " 10 seconds into the drive : " I have to take control to do the left turns "
@Mot0193
@Mot0193 2 года назад
you misunderstood he said "So making left-hand turns, the Tesla is just too close to the line."
@Srdjana-
@Srdjana- 2 года назад
@@Mot0193 He did say he had to take control.
@wake8993
@wake8993 2 года назад
THAT was one of America's deadliest roads?! Man, here in England, that just looked like some backroads in the Surrey hills!
@CMMcCormick42
@CMMcCormick42 2 года назад
It's not the road itself that's dangerous, it's actually a very nice road to drive on. It's all the thrill seekers who push their limits that make it deadly. I remember reading once about a rider who lay in one of the dips alongside the road for a couple days before someone finally found him.
@Lysergic_
@Lysergic_ 2 года назад
trust me we have wayyy worse lmao, it's just this gets a higher total
@spicketspaghet7773
@spicketspaghet7773 2 года назад
Deadliest as in most amount of people who die there. There's plenty of half-paven single wide mountain roads here, but as far as people actually dying this is the highest.
@carlcarlington7317
@carlcarlington7317 2 года назад
The most dangerous thing grey did today was call a bikers bike “adorable”
@PaMS1995
@PaMS1995 2 года назад
Damn it clearly went over the solid yellow multiple times. And watching the overhead display on the dash shows the car was fully aware of where the yellow line was, yet it still decided to cut the corners. I wonder if this is because the self driving models were trained by Tesla drivers and it learned bad habits. I know it's still in beta but yeesh for how long Tesla has been training its autopilot you'd think it could at least stay within some clearly marked lines by now
@kigiphoto638
@kigiphoto638 2 года назад
It's OK to cross the yellow line on vary narrow roads if you are going slow, as long as you can move over instantly... it's a little bit safer because then you have some space to work with if any tires slip a bit. Now on the Dragon it's a bit of a special case where going over that line is frowned on but most of the fast drivers still edge onto it anyway for a split second.
@LoganLeGrand
@LoganLeGrand 2 года назад
@@kigiphoto638 It absolutely is not okay to cross the double yellow lines on this road. That is why it's known for being so dangerous because people think this type of driving is okay. People die here every year thinking it's okay to cross the double yellow line. If you even touch the line and a cop sees you you'll get pulled over.
@kigiphoto638
@kigiphoto638 2 года назад
@@LoganLeGrand And yet if you actually drive there you'll see it happen all the time. So it's not like the Tesla is doing anything unusual by slightly crossing over, plus it can react faster than a human driver and move over... watch the video again, it reacts perfectly well to oncoming traffic (see oncoming truck at around 4:21, Tesla moves over just fine).
@dosadoodle
@dosadoodle 2 года назад
@@kigiphoto638 You're arguing that it is okay because people do it all the time on this road where there are the more traffic deaths per mile than anywhere else in the US?
@Dirk3672_StupidYT
@Dirk3672_StupidYT 2 года назад
@@dosadoodle A road that stacks up accidents like cord wood. Totally unacceptable.
@SylvEdu
@SylvEdu 2 года назад
0:35 You can't just whip out those sunglasses and not let us see you wearing them. Such a tease.
@jono7064
@jono7064 2 года назад
That road looks like halfe the roads in Norway. Luckly, most people don't treat our roads as a roadway straight to heaven or hell
@blackkhawkk
@blackkhawkk 2 года назад
Btw this road would be very average in Italy. I guess it’s the deadliest road not because it’s intrinsically dangerous, but rather because is flooded by overhyped drivers and bikers
@Killercheese121
@Killercheese121 2 года назад
This is an insanely current-RU-vid-algorithm-style video - from the pacing to the constant upbeat music, this must've been a tough choice to make this style video. Personally I didnt enjoy it as much as your other content but if this makes you happy go for it.
@thoralexander9387
@thoralexander9387 2 года назад
Now I want to take my Fiero there. I don't need to go fast to feel like my life is in danger
@bwise1113
@bwise1113 2 года назад
I feel like this video intro was only missing a "WHATS UP GUYS! ITS YAH BOI, CGP GREY HERE!"
@SatansBestBuddy1
@SatansBestBuddy1 2 года назад
so... this is just a car commercial, yeah? like, for a channel that's usually pretty heavily researched and info dense this is actually pretty light on details. I now know this road is dangerous for humans, and that an AI driven car can drive it, but... that's really it. and the car doesn't even drive perfectly, but the problems he notices are just brushed aside with "it's just a beta" and it's all celebrations in the end. I dunno, I found the car trip from a couple years back to be more informative and more grounded in the realities of owning an electric car and how highways would need to change to make travel more convenient and attractive to people thinking about getting an electric car. this is just hype making for the sake of hype making without the grounded critical thoughts of how it works and how it could be improved.
@spacemanx9595
@spacemanx9595 2 года назад
Yeah this is a fail vid for me
@Mr1121628
@Mr1121628 2 года назад
yep pretty much. definitely a lazy upload. stuff like this just depreciates his reputation if you ask me. why anyone would post this, or buy a Tesla, is beyond me
@chelnahtheegghead
@chelnahtheegghead 2 года назад
Everything else aside, the views from that road are _gorgeous_ and I’d kill to live there. I mean, I know the Smoky Mountains are beautiful, but seeing it like that from the car is something else. :)
@MrMastera
@MrMastera 2 года назад
Tesla's shares: Go down Grey: Releases a Tesla commercial
@Muhsaft86
@Muhsaft86 2 года назад
"Beta testing with your life" and getting nothing in return. I don't get company fanboys.
@logitech4873
@logitech4873 2 года назад
Getting to use a self driving car is pretty cool
@WanJae42
@WanJae42 2 года назад
He's getting plenty as long as the video is monetized.
@matthewhicks6089
@matthewhicks6089 2 года назад
The appearance of line hugging which terrifies many in the beta test is due to the algorithm that all the camera data the vehicle is using. As long as the lines are the expected 1's (yellow or white, reflectors (maybe additionally ir reflectors) at night it knows exactly how wide the car is from mirror to mirror and will err on the side of caution w/ speed (the navigation doesn't have precise turn by turn grade info yet for all test area roads). Still doesn't mean our 2 eyes won't process we are too close to either vs it's many cameras it uses to do its job.
@curtisbme
@curtisbme 2 года назад
He specifically showed a clip in this that showed it driving over the middle line. It isn't a case where he was just thinking it was too close. Especially dangerous if another car was coming as their is no shoulder and they may swerve to avoid the car coming into their lane.
@BaronVonHobgoblin
@BaronVonHobgoblin 2 года назад
I feel very letdown by this video. Even more so in the way it promised to test the self driving mode against one of the most difficult traffic patterns on American roads and in the end that was not what was delivered.
@edoardoagosti1969
@edoardoagosti1969 2 года назад
If you believe this road is any dangerous or hard for a robot, you have never been been to Genoa, Italy. I would enjoy to see a Tesla having to understand that it will need to do a 3-point turn to just proceed because the turns are so narrow you cannot otherwise do it.
@Vinizuca
@Vinizuca 2 года назад
That and mostly anywhere in the third world where it would need to guess where the lines on the asphalt once were at the same time avoiding potholes.
@Homerow1
@Homerow1 2 года назад
There's a lot of old roads in Boston, and I've seen some crazy ones in Tokyo, as well as a slew of very old European cities. 5-way intersections with people just turning where there's space. I'd like to see more self driving there. Then again, busy city roads may not be where self driving cars belong. Might be best for longer distance highway driving.
@Alex_1A
@Alex_1A 2 года назад
Hard for human != Hard for computer
@Chaun1998
@Chaun1998 2 года назад
@@Alex_1A that road isn't even hard for humans. It is only that deadly because of the people who treat it like a closed race course
@electro226
@electro226 2 года назад
For those like me wondering what music track starts at about 2:52 - it is Van Sandano - Antidote X. Grey, update description plz! Also, great video.
@tejasn3835
@tejasn3835 2 года назад
is anyone else suspicious at 3:20, why is there a video overlay of the outside you can't un-see it once you see it, there is an overlay for the entire video, is the video fake?!
@Dooblayyy
@Dooblayyy 2 года назад
The video is not fake. He overlayed the camera from inside the car with the camera from outside of the car to cut out the rest of the windshield and rear view mirror and stuff
@Fools_Requiem
@Fools_Requiem Год назад
Those type of roads are really fun to drive on. Unfortunately, the drive can be ruined by people who drive to fast and wrecklessly, and people who drive too slow because they're not comfortable driving on curvy roads.
@alenasenie6928
@alenasenie6928 2 года назад
I work with artificial intelligence and I don't know if I would have the confidence to do this in that road during a beta.
@Cheesecannon25
@Cheesecannon25 2 года назад
It's a clean road with few other drivers I'd be surprised if even the most basic algorithms struggled here
@Roperational_YT
@Roperational_YT 2 года назад
Every time I hear The Tail of the Dragon, I think *“Literally that one Mario Kart track”*
@jumpanama
@jumpanama 2 года назад
We stayed in NC for a vacation this year, and wanted to go to Tennessee for a cave. Google maps took us on the tail of the dragon, and it was not a fun time for our kids...
@wizardish1264
@wizardish1264 2 года назад
Person: *Dies of cancer* Other people: "How sad!" Person: *Dies in accident* Other people: "We could make a tourist attraction out of this!"
@justsomerandomguy8210
@justsomerandomguy8210 2 года назад
I like how the most dangerous road in the United States is a paved road
@seanarmstrong5234
@seanarmstrong5234 2 года назад
It's for the ridiculous speeds we try to go on it
@faragar1791
@faragar1791 2 года назад
Nothing about "dragon's tail" itself is particularly "dangerous". The road is dangerous because it has so many reckless drivers on it. Take the reckless drivers out of the equations and just about any self-driving car could navigate this road because the only thing the car would need to do is follow the lines on the road. Making robots that follow lines on roads is what middle schoolers do in their extracurricular robotics classes. The only thing this video demonstrates is that Tesla cars can do the bare minimum of "self-driving".
@josephmaller592
@josephmaller592 2 года назад
Smile for the camera. 5:48
@Doshee33
@Doshee33 2 года назад
Ok, the Dragon's Tail is cool and all, but now try Bolivia's Death Road. I dare you.
@dukedragon28
@dukedragon28 2 года назад
That would be too great a risk, not because of the self driving car but from the impatient locals
@EzraM5
@EzraM5 2 года назад
Yeah that's been my thoughts too is that if you're at least careful, this doesn't seem too much. There are roads in Mexico way worse than this, lmao
@HarryLovesRuth
@HarryLovesRuth 2 года назад
Welcome to East Tennessee. Commenters who have said that this is a bunch of dangerous drivers more than a dangerous road are partially correct. If the road weren't so well marked and well maintained, people would slow down. People treat well maintained twisty mountain roads like this as racetracks. The state should close it or place traffic calming, but this is a tourist attraction for motorcyclists and sports car owners. It's on the edge of the most visited National Park in the United States, and that also contributes to its notoriety. Anyway, if you ever come to Knoxville, Tomato Head has excellent pizza and sandwiches, Litton's has the best hamburgers, and Buddy's Barbeque is extremely overrated.
@IamGhede
@IamGhede 2 года назад
Thought I was slick looking frame by frame during the snapshots at 5:54. Trying to catch a glimpse of Grey in the flesh. I guess I did in almost an easter egg sort of way. About being closer to the yellow line than the white. That is the right call. As a professional driver we are taught to "hog the road". Even tractor trailer drivers don't want to play my favorite game, "Let's kiss mirrors".
@astra_m00n
@astra_m00n 2 года назад
This reminds me of when we went of vacation to France and we traveled the mountain-roads there. Of course it's not that busy usually, but they had special signs to indicate if someone died at certain points on those roads. As a memorial, but obviously also to warn you to not make the same mistake.
@cptnfranchfries9557
@cptnfranchfries9557 2 года назад
5:55 So that’s what he looks like!
@The-Rest-of-Us
@The-Rest-of-Us 2 года назад
A robot reviewing a robot ⚙️
@KHTimeProtecter
@KHTimeProtecter 2 года назад
Dude. Highway 1 in California. That road SCARES me and I refuse to drive it any more north than Bodega Bay. That thing has literal U-turns, winds against ridges and hills and can get uncomfortably close to the cliffs with at least a 100-foot drop into the ocean or large trees to crash into. Not to mention blind turns, residential driveways, and the potential for cows to cross it. I get nervous just being a passenger.
@Oliver_Saer
@Oliver_Saer 2 года назад
Only in America is a dangerous road seen as an opportunity for commerce... Great video, as always.
@m1k3y48
@m1k3y48 2 года назад
It's definitely an opportunity everywhere, thrill seekers will seek danger, and there will always be money to be made there. Sherpas make a living hauling people up Everest, for example.
@stuntmonkey00
@stuntmonkey00 2 года назад
Are there no shops around the Nurburgring, which is also technically a public road?
@sleepylilturtle760
@sleepylilturtle760 2 года назад
"Beta testing a robot with my life" seems like the very antithesis of grey's personality. I love it!
@minioop2
@minioop2 2 года назад
Antithesis means opposite. You are thinking of epitome
@Durrdalus
@Durrdalus 2 года назад
The test went well because the video has been up for 17min and Tesla hasnt DMCA'd it yet
@xp8969
@xp8969 2 года назад
Pretty sure this is paid propaganda from Tesla
@Durrdalus
@Durrdalus 2 года назад
@@xp8969 Doubt they would let the yellow line errors to be shown if they paid for it.
@xp8969
@xp8969 2 года назад
@@Durrdalus they know that if it showed the tech to be perfect no one would believe it, same as the video Google paid for to promote Waymo
@andrasbiro3007
@andrasbiro3007 2 года назад
Dozens of RU-vidrs make similar videos practically every day. Tesla doesn't care.
@Durrdalus
@Durrdalus 2 года назад
@@andrasbiro3007 except for the bunch of videos they have forced down for showing the system causing accidents or serious incidences
@jackos5d851
@jackos5d851 2 года назад
1:42 i thought that was the bike from akira for a hot sec but now that i look again, it's just "adorable"
@otarsulava
@otarsulava 2 года назад
This motorcycle actually is: Thoroughbred Stallion Motorcycle
@TheAtlarchy
@TheAtlarchy 2 года назад
3:25 That cutout of the road an inside of the car made me doubt...
@lennystudios3.14
@lennystudios3.14 Год назад
He just has two cameras, one dash cam one inside and has to overlay them
@DarkFlash23
@DarkFlash23 2 года назад
This road looks like a typical mountain road in Austria
@JoshAmore31
@JoshAmore31 2 года назад
CGP Grey: I don’t run the beta on my Mac - it’s too risky. Also CGP Grey: FSD BETA GO BRRRRRRRRRR
@unturnedhelper3495
@unturnedhelper3495 2 года назад
I bet tesla will be thankful to you for doing this.
@xp8969
@xp8969 2 года назад
They paid highly for this propaganda
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