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In this episode my friend Spanky and I test out the new Universal Audio Apollo x8P and Apollo Twin II using Unison Technology. We track through the UAD 1073 (and other mic pres) and then compare it to a real 1073 mic pre. See it you can tell the difference.
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@TheArtofGuitar 3 года назад

I just recently picked up the Apollo x16 and the Neve OPX and am currently in freakin' heaven.

@ralphguzzoactorproducercom4417 5 лет назад

Love this channel I learn great things every time and its unique in the way you interact with art and technical thoughts , theories and real practical application - this makes it so great ! Thanks Rick.

@tweedguitar9103 5 лет назад

Thankyou rick for the Beaton book 2, it fills in alot of gaps for me, and the time and effort you have put into the object is beyond comprehension . sincere gratitude, from your new student, tweed

@rogerloydmccoy 4 года назад

Great video. I seriously needed this. I just bought the twin Mkii and x8. Perfect timing

@jmcd7386 5 лет назад

Another Awesome video Professor Beato! I liked the set and production you are mastering another art. The art of video production I did notice the lighting and fades between shots. Good job

@billyhughes9776 5 лет назад

I've been a UA Apollo user since '12 -- I still have my original silver QUAD and a newer 2nd gen unit. Love em. Great vid.

@xrtjrp-ix1rb 5 лет назад

Thank you Brother... always love seeing your material.

@crestiferj2689 5 лет назад

the apollo on board preamps sound really nice just by themselves...but then to be able to color them with all the various mic pre emulations is just sick. i'm an old school analog guy, but ua is the first company to really nail these sounds in the digital world. so impressed with this apollo stuff.

@blackcatdigi7034 5 лет назад

Great video and super timely! Just picked up a Twin MKII and a x8 that arrived earlier this week, myself. Getting away from all the Avid proprietary hardware and looking forward to comparing the Unison versions of mic pres. Cheers!

@JPM777 5 лет назад

Sounds great. Congrats, Rick!

@thogameskanaal 5 лет назад

This is really interesting, seeing all this tech work together to make a nice sound. I would love to have a studio like Rick.

@AndreaMaccianti 4 года назад

I love my Apollo and their plugins are rocks! 🤘👊 Awesome video as always Rick! Cheers from Sardinia! 😊

@rowegardner9673 5 лет назад

That Helios sounded killer... can’t wait for that SSL bus compressor video! Keep the gear videos coming!

@JeffSchmidtJRS 5 лет назад

That Helios is my next purchase from UAD. Wow. Just wow.

@underworldent4817 4 года назад

the helios is great

@GoodVibeTribe 5 лет назад

I went all UA three years ago. Console 2.0 is great. Improvements for 3.0?? The ability to physically move the channel strips wherever you want them. A bigger headphone mixer. Maybe 6 mixes instead of 4? 2 more aux’s for a total of 4 The ability to save a Console mix preset and not be required to go to show/hide inputs and turn on/off the needed channels. Rick I’m posting my 3.0 wish list on your review since you are a major center of influence and “Spanky and the gang” might read it. Thanks for all your efforts! You will love the UAD platform!

@standardmagic366 5 лет назад

Please Rick, more of this kind of stuff

@amdenis 5 лет назад

Amazing video, as always-that Helios did sound very special. One thing, I just brought this up in the recording studio to listen, and you have a little noise floor and reverse gating issue going on (i.e. low level 60 cycle, and a upward expansion). I hope this makes sense, and I’d say more if I knew the details of your setup there. I hope you love the new Apollo as much as we do- between them and Focusrite Red, the sound and workflow is amazing.

@kreadr6151 4 года назад

Great video guys. A good point for all us to remember is it all starts at the source. Your guitar sound is a beast................Enjoyed Spanky mentoring the mentor, lol.

@Chord_The_Seeker 5 лет назад

Great video, as always, Rick. Given the title it would be nice to hear the UA vs the real 1073 in a more direct A/B comparison.

@christopherjbutler 5 лет назад

Once Rick is more accustomed to the Apollo / Console specific workflow, it would be much easier for him to set thimgs up apples to apples and do a soecific a/b with his normal quick video edit cuts. This seemed to be a discovery / self edification video for him that he wanted to also share with us (in case there are others in the same boat.) But i agree, the thumbnail title suggested it was more of the former rather thsn the latter

@solarpoint1 5 лет назад

Great content Rick! Appreciate the studio side of guitar almost as much as guitar! Almost!

@TavaresProject 5 лет назад

Excellent vid... I think we need a part 2

@tkdunn 5 лет назад

I just bought a new Apollo Twin and am delving into the world of UA plugins - this video shows the potential. Just Wow! I gotta get that Helios plug-in - man that sounded great! 🤓🤓

@oscarallen8484 4 года назад

Accidentally started playing this at half speed and i can’t stop

@GRequinBlanc 4 года назад

Wish you had shown the physical wiring for us visual guys

@jorgiewtf 4 года назад

Just bought the Helios 69’plugin. Been thinking about it since this video first came out. Can’t wait to track my Jubilee through it!

@Mike2of5Martin 5 лет назад

Spanky!!! Great to see him on the channel!!

@christiancanalita6487 5 лет назад

I LOVE that guitar tone!

@kassandjohnbolles3522 3 года назад

I've been on this platform for a while and I love it. The value is insane. The plugins alone represent hardware worth thousands more than the interface.

@TyRobertsmedia 5 лет назад

Hey Rick, great vid. I've been using UA forever in my studio (in Tucker)... and I'm still running through a older mac aluminum tower (with all the headaches), what is your control room CPU now? You didn't say... Thanks!

@citytonightproductions 5 лет назад

Great vid Rick!

@chrispicha 5 лет назад

Loved this video!

@jasoncatlyn7331 5 лет назад

Thanks for the video!

@johnbach2380 3 года назад

Man I love the Helios and how the API sounded.

@MarkBlasquez 5 лет назад

Spanky! Great to see you and Rick together. Just met him at NAMM. Small world. Great work Rick. I'm picking up one of these next week.

@MatiaIsHim 5 лет назад

Hello Rick, just bought your book, love your channel, great great stuff for us musicians and rock lovers...Is there a way to know if UAD will launch an apollo twin thunderblot 3 soon? I have an Apogee Duet since 2011 and I've wanting to upgrade, thank you.

@zazoomatt 4 года назад

Very Nice Rick ! Enjoy .Grow !

@lownotesinc1962 5 лет назад

...yes! Please, do a video to demonstrate how you record a drum kit (multiple inputs) through UA Console, into Pro Tools soon!

@crestiferj2689 5 лет назад

damn that silver jubilee sounds amazing. also, nice stp riffs at the top there, rick. haha.

@girolamo5637 5 лет назад

HI, How was the SSl Comp Routed into the Apollo?? Thanks-Wonderful Videos

@gregoryabat3948 5 лет назад

Spanky! Good to see you. Rick you are going to love console once you used to it. I use it everyday. If only there were 8 cue busses. 😋

@munivemusiccreation9371 5 лет назад

UAD has a lot of quality properties, and the fact that they process inside the box is awesome, but the real thing is still smoother in my opinion.....Great video!

@ManCaveStudio 4 года назад

Rick, I am getting ready to purchase an Apollo X4. How do you physically wire the outboard bus compressor to the Apollo?

@soundsfromscratch8531 5 лет назад

Nice! Just started my own music channel. Thanks for being an inspiration!

@mxvidstosee 5 лет назад

The Hardware seemed to be louder in level and brighter, which tricks you out, as mentioned in the video. Was this the case ? A loudness meter would have helped....

@jwallguitar 4 года назад

Thank god!! Just got this today

@mpalermo64 5 лет назад

Hi Rick, could you make a comparison of the plugin x equipment? That way we could feel the difference.

@DoctorMcFarlandStudios 5 лет назад

I had the Apollo Quad Core but I sold it and got the Presonus Studio Live Series III. I like having physical faders to move around.

@GeoZero 5 лет назад

That Helios has some badass mojo bite.

@troublesomecorsair 5 лет назад

Loving the Antelope Audio Orion with the 4 extra analog ins and comparable plugins. Maybe comparable? I don't know for sure.

@julianchan6269 5 лет назад

Rick! You the man!!!!

@RobRippa1 5 лет назад

Awesome video Rick. Spanky seems cool to he reminds me of mr strickland from Back to the future.

@jamesvoos2432 5 лет назад

Dang! now I have to buy the Helios Plug! Great video, guys Like the low-mids on that plug.

@bartnettle 5 лет назад

man that sounds good, was it a feed from Apollo or camera? My Q was answered, I thoughy biy seems you have a mic in the room. The stock Pre sounded best at first

@christopolousvonsnuffolaup7420 5 лет назад

Hey Rick great vid,very informative. I wonder if you would consider doing a Voivod song, Tribal... I bet you would find their new guitarist to be a kindred spirit.

@therealdjap 5 лет назад

I always like watching your videos. I need to come to ATL and check out that rack first hand :) I have been using Apollo since it came out and I love it. I'm broke because of my UA plugin addiction, lol. I'm kidding. Great investment tell Spanky he did a great job.

@mattjoe1982 4 года назад

Hey Rick, is the headphone amp on the Apollo X useable for tracking big rock guitars from modern rock?

@numanuma20 5 лет назад

The nice thing about the Apollo is the ability to record with effects. I'm really considering going with a 500 series setup as well with a compressor, EQ, and the DBX sub synth.

@numanuma20 5 лет назад

Rick please do a video on mixing for RU-vid.

@AdamGotheridge 5 лет назад

Just brutal guitar sounds!

@AJbassist 5 лет назад

lol i was asking on someone else comment about this , you put this out perfect :)

@borism68 5 лет назад

Thanks for the video. I’m curious about what computer you decided to buy with what specs, what OS (Mac or windows) and your thoughts on where avid is going with Protools and their hdx system? I still have my cheese crater running hdx but I see myself upgrading my computer pretty soon and would love to hear your thoughts on the topic. Thanks, love your videos

@teddinardo8944 2 года назад

boris wow his was in 2019 new Mac mini m1 can run 400 channels as of November 2021 I think they are almost un bugged wed

@niteboatermusic 3 года назад

great video and thanks for sharing. So we are considering upgrading as well. Rick are you suggesting that the UA Apollo X series does not offer an actual remote, you have to buy another interface just to have a volume/talkback/feature desk side control? I say because Apogee does offer an actual remote control. If true, that is a bit of an expensive remote, no?

@matthewroach4729 4 года назад

I'm glad you mentioned why you were playing chords. Whenever I try gear in guitar stores I always play certain chords to test harmonics, instead of shredding or showing off in the typical form of people in guitar stores including the employees lol. I care about how well the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th strings on the guitar sound together when testing gear. You'd be surprised how often tone is diluted or muddy even on expensive guitars, amplifiers, and pedals when playing certain chords. If I can't hear "good" tonal harmonies from an E9 chord with either clean or added effects, then I usually will avoid a product. You don't have to sacrifice tone quality for compression, even with genres like metal. Guitars I consistently use to test gear are, anything from the Fender Professional series, and anything from the PRS S2 series. The pickups in those guitars are consistent, and have great tone qualities for testing products imo.

@SuperSlus 5 лет назад

Rick "I'm gonna do a video on that" Beato

@Tazmanian_Ninja 5 лет назад

Logan "I'm gonna do a comment on that" Haynes

@MaynardOwns 5 лет назад

Delete please. This ain't JRE.

@Henry-uv9xu 3 года назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@AdamCasada 3 года назад

I could run a channel off the video ideas he's never done

@michelemolinari2940 5 лет назад

Hi Rick, I can't thank you enough for your hard work. I really appreciate it. A tip for you, if you like it: don't put a light right into the camera, even if you need a backlight for the shooting . So much love

@DavidHenderson01 5 лет назад

What is the round trip latency when you send audio out and back to the SSL Buss Comp?

@jasonfanclub4267 5 лет назад

Great video

@theeveningdrive8643 5 лет назад

How did you physically hook up the Neve pre amp? XLR? 1/4 in? I am trying to utilize an external Neve also and want to bypass the pre amps in the interface. What are your suggestions>? thanks....

@antonytsakiris9109 5 лет назад

Rick please give uw the name of the song that played at the last moments with bus compressor.

@julesborges7396 4 года назад

Rick, could you tell us which computer and OS you're using to run the x8p? Thanks

@recyclopse855 5 лет назад

Please do a video detailing the routing!

@atvcampersabo285 5 лет назад

Killer guitar tone

@taylorfusion 5 лет назад

At 1:30 I thought you were going to show how the console is setup? The virtual connections in the UAD ? Would like to see more of the routing options in the console itself rather than the Unison plugins (which is more suit ears). More Spanky!

@rustyvst 5 лет назад

You are going to love the UAD world

@kevmet84 5 лет назад

You should compare your Silver Jubilee with the AU plugin sometime; I'd be curious to how that works out and your thoughts.

@monkface 5 лет назад

I have the mk II and I'm still trying to understand the console, so I hope this helps! Cuz I haven't even figured out how to open up another audio track yet! Sigh, guess I'll have to become a manual guy.

@mcsweet1966 5 лет назад

BIG Thanks for that great Video, I`m also using a 57 and 421 on Electric Guit but never tought of doing the setup in The UA console , I would record 2 mono track then move them to a stereo track inside PT . Quick question what is the exacte offset of a 57 vs 421 to get the phase correctly. I was thinking of just taping them together. usually I go for half a inche. Thanks again for the Video

@A.D.G 5 лет назад

Worst case scenario you just print them as separate tracks to PT from Console and then align the sample peaks so you're perfectly in phase

@gitarman666 2 года назад

Howdy Rick, I’m late to the party as usual But when you highlighted your focus points 6:10 How to use console? How to plug directly into its mic pres? How to route it to outboard gear? Great questions that I for one would love spanky to still address I have my Twin X and a new X6 and like you although I read the 250+ software manual and the 70+ page hardware manual It’s much easier to see it performed by the competent and experienced hands and guidance of Spanky. Or now 2 years on Mr. Rick B. I’m sure you got it down by now so help out a brother P.S. happy new year hope your all Covid free!

@craigsibley Год назад

I just recieved mine, and this is the first video I have watched on it. Quick question... Is what you call the UA "Console" the same as "Luna"?

@rfpeace 5 лет назад

that was cool!

@PJSGBC 5 лет назад

What is the song they use near the end for SSL Compressor test? Thanks

@psunie Год назад

Hey Rick you cut your console screenshot right when you are talking about routing the SSL compressor

@JacksonTaylorandTheSinners 3 месяца назад

I have the X8p. It’s an amazing piece of gear.

@NablusRain 5 лет назад

You’ve Got friends in high places Rick ... Thumbs up

@michaelscott1199 5 лет назад

Big thumps up. Thx for sharing. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the 1073 didn't sound better but different. Although I would use the real 1073 because I have one :)

@fredmanteghian5913 5 лет назад

I have a hardware UA LA-610 and find plugging my electric guitar into that for some mild compression and EQ and then into the UA Apollo (Apollo 8 in my case) and launching one of their plug-in amplifiers in the Unison slots works really well. I’m using a simple hardware pre-amp which limits your possibilities which gets you to your desired sound faster. And the low latency of the Unison plugin spots make getting to a perfect sound pretty easy. I have two favourite plugin amps. I’m not a heavy distortion fan like Rick, so I use the Marshall Bluesbreaker which has some really nice Marshall clean settings. Also love the Fuchs Train 2 which is really versatile and doesn’t sound like a “train wreck” at all :). Rick hope you get to video record how you make UA Console feed PT (dude, please upgrade to 12!!) and how you route it back to the UA Console (hint: PT output to Virtual 1 and Virtual 2 in UA Console). If there’s more that your UA bud can share it would be great!

@BakerSynth 4 года назад

Well said. Use an outboard pre into Apollo plugs. I've done that. But i do like the idea of using the Apollo unison pres because everything is recallable. Also you can save an entire channel strip as a preset. Physical patchbays are so 1970s. I guess that is why I continue to upgrade my patchbay with 100s of patchpoints. Pricey. But the better the patchbay, the better use of my hardware to integrate withe the Apollo Converters. I keep on telling myself that my AMS 1073 DPX pres sound better than their Unison 1073 pre. Like the hardware is more 3D, focused, and has more air. But sometimes I feel I can not tell the difference. I guess for $2300 an AMS Neve 1073 DPX channel, it might be close. But I am really hoping a used vintage 1073 pre for $8000 or whatever they go for today's prices has a sound that you can not capture with a plugin and UA's harware with Unison. i am sure if I owned a vintage 1073 or a Telefunken V76 I would tell myself that the UA emulations do not even come close. With all this great gear I just make poor music compositions I write sound more of a high quality. Very close to the "Pros"s. Now if i could just get software to play guitar like Eddie Van Halen that would be perfect.

@NiclasKarlssonguitarswe 2 года назад

What is a good input level on a UAD unit? -12, -18 or does it matter as long as it doesn't clip?

@sterlingdise9375 5 лет назад

Is there a way to run a VST through a unison preamp? Preferably while tracking.

@cornerliston 5 лет назад

No. UAD system can only run its own plugin format.

@saminekunis8680 4 года назад

I have 1 question for the Universal Audio Guy.......will the unison amp really combine with the neve 31102 plug in......bc the only reson i would buy it is to reproduce the killer drum and guitar intro of the making of Meteora record which of course was recorded on a vintage 8068 console. I could some the drums out through a 8816 summing mixer which has the same design, transformer, as the 80 s console’s. Of course there is an old AMS neve reverb unit and probably a lexicon room algorithm to get close to the NRG room. Since i am about to get the gear for my new studio would you think that this would be a way to replicate this epic sound bc buying a used 8068 for over 300 grand is not possible for me right now. Musically I’m into modern metal like LP, Metal Core and Djent.....greetings 🥁🎹🎶

@MikkaGrytviken 5 лет назад

What's the band we can hear in this video ? I love this music!

@Foxrock321 4 года назад

Are you using a mixer controller or mixer Console..I did see one in this video.

@teddinardo8944 2 года назад

I want a shirt also ,all of it ,thank you all at uad great job

@podcastbunker 4 года назад

When I worked in radio in the 70’s and 80’s we used UA all the way.

@kevinacres1699 3 года назад

Good video I would love to use UAD products but outside of my pay grade.

@xaosnox 5 лет назад

I really wish I could find a video that explains how to use Console 2 in a live situation. It's kind of tricky figuring out how the sends work and how to do things like double an instrument, etc. all in Console. One of the great things about Apollo and Unison is that it's fast enough to use live, but if you search for tutorials on how to do it, all you get is a bunch of stuff about Ableton Live and UAD.

@onlygknows7793 3 года назад

Good luck

@chrispicha 5 лет назад

I liked the Neve plugin the best. Sounds more natural than the Helios IMO

@Thedrummersalmanac 5 лет назад

Hey Rick... Great vid! It's funny... I have a buddy who is a mastering engineer in Nashville. He swears that he needs to use physical hardware units and that he can hear the difference. I can't. lol...

@bbfoto7248 5 лет назад

+thedrummersalmanac That's why he's the mastering engineer & you're just the drummer, haha...your ears are shot! :-P I kid (I'm a drummer/percussionist, too, haha!...and a saxophonist). But, honestly, to my ears, *some* of the plug-ins and emulations still don't quite have the special sauce of the real hardware. Just in this demo alone (and considering that we're hearing BOTH over RU-vid's lossy compressed audio), while listening using ATC SCM25A monitors, the real 1073 sounded WAY better than the emulation...at least to my ears. But I guess you could say that it's just subjective preference, so YMMV. For me, where good plug-ins really come into play are with some the newer ones that allow you to do crazy precise or unique things that are not yet possible, and probably never will be, with any existing analog (or digital) outboard gear. The other issue for me with a lot of the plug-ins is that it's WAY too easy to get completely lost in the plethora of options, instead of just quickly finding a good tone and laying down the track! Just get it done, son! But that Helios emulation sounded pretty kick-@ss, even if there wasn't a comparison to the real thing. 👍

@Thedrummersalmanac 5 лет назад

bb foto ha... agreed

@awesomebawss2013 5 лет назад

mastering engineers train their ears to hear extremely subtle changes in eq and compression. it takes years to develop the ears for those sorts of things

@Thedrummersalmanac 5 лет назад

@@awesomebawss2013 It sure does... That's why I leave the mastering to those guys. My friends ears are amazing. I'm missing most of my high end... (Cymbals.lol)

@bbfoto7248 5 лет назад

+@@awesomebawss2013 Definitely. And it's interesting that quite a few of the best mastering engineers were or are symphony orchestra musicians (or other types), such as Bob Ludwig (symphony trumpet) and Eric Boulanger (symphony violinist) to name just a few. They had already developed expertly-trained ears years before becoming engineers. ;) When playing in a symphony/orchestra, you develop acute skills in controlling dynamics (ppp to fff), and in constantly balancing your instrument with the others in your section and with the entire orchestra. In addition, you are constantly aware of & checking that your instrument is "in tune", or hearing if others are flat or sharp, whilst also experiencing & learning the delicate tonal qualities and harmonics of a multitude of live acoustic instruments. Just my .02 FWIW.

@JRandallS 5 лет назад

I own the UAD Apollo and the 4-710d, so I hate to say it but the hardware Neve absolutely sounded the best to my ears. Though that middle (to me unknown) plugin was thick and lush as well.

@Aquatarkus96 5 лет назад

fun fact, the 1073's germanium ancestor 1053 was the inspiration behind the title for 10538 overture by ELO

@EJROCKER1 5 лет назад

Aquatarkus, Also speaking of germanium. The Beatles also used Chandler's made with germanium parts. Resulting in great tone.

@Aquatarkus96 5 лет назад

ED WENZEL Yes such a great vintage sound on germanium gear. Wish I could afford just one

@EJROCKER1 5 лет назад

@@Aquatarkus96 I happen to think API rock also.

@ramonfelizjr 5 лет назад

They didn’t show the bypass on the Apollo preamps? Why ????

@rhill109 5 лет назад

I use the Neve Preamp on all my channel inputs. I could be crazy, but it really does make everything sounds better.

@agesonjohanesburg2915 3 года назад

Do you put it first in the chain on the track? Do you turn your interfaces gain knob down? Thx

@rhill109 3 года назад

@@agesonjohanesburg2915 I usually don't use it in Unison mode when recording. I've made a few basic channel insert chain presets that work for me. Neve Preamp to Studer A800 is the most common one I use. The Studer plugin over a bunch of tracks does add hiss(which, if you think about it, is hilarious). The Neve is probably the UAD plugin I use the most, including the 1176 and LA2A. I'm a Cubase user and the stock EQs have always don't the job for me.