(TF05)Cloaking Technology 

Thank you very much, I try :)

Section 31 stopped being run by the Federation a LONG time ago ;)

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios long time ago... got it 🤣🤣🤣

Yeah, if your a certain section of The Federation(31), damn the treaties and full cloak ahead!

@@AlphaRaptor2k6 Well ......they circumvent the Treaty by making Romulan part of Federation ..... Oh USS Discovery A can cloak now!!

LOL

So honorable in fact that they only violate the prime directive every other week or so.

Their thing it to be hell as fast so they can run with their tail between their legs...

The Federation as a whole. Section 31 are those who ensure that the Federation can remain honorable while someone else does the dirty work

That IS an interesting question though right? ;)

Klingons don't decloak till they think they have the advantage, Romulans decloak when they Know they have an/the advantage.

I just always thought that sneeking around wasn't their style. The Klingons were always bombastic.

Klingons never were honourable. Taking and slaughtering hostages (Kirks son for instance). The sudden change to the Bushido Code that we had in TNG made no sense to me. Had there been a burgeoning interenet where haters could make their feeling known this is one of a few elements that might have sunk it.

@@ploppysonofploppy6066 Because our cultures never change over the span of centuries.

Not Necessarily, and the Romulan Empire may not have fallen completely...

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios according to STO it seems that the Romulan republic replaced the empire, and the only real successor was the tal shiar. And given that the Tal shiar was already at war with the federation and the republic needed support from the federation they wouldn’t risk a war over cloaking technology, I would guess that federation cloaks would be installed as early as 2420-2440

@@starmada105 Sorry but STO is NOT canon, thus anything they say is meaningless!

Sure that’s the cover story they would use but star fleet is sneaky they would sneak right over the neutral zone border first chance they got

That in itself PROVES he was a villain :P

And how is that joggers, dog walkers, and Frisbee throwers didn't collide with it? 🤔

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I'm thinking Uhura should be able to locate a cloaked ship through an open communication channel. McCoy did say something about how that guy wouldn't shut up

@@thoughtfortheday7811 I wondered the same thing imagine jogging and running into something not there and get knocked out people would look at u like wtf wrong with that dude lol

I thought about it, but tbh wasnt worth mention... I dont like to just throw out a sentence and their isnt enough info on it to make it's own section. So I decided to focus on the main Alpha and Beta Quad races that had it...

Well as you say it's not canon, so it means nothing really... But it would make sense... After all if they use screws it wouldnt make sense not to have screws aboard... But the moment a cloak was built for the Enterprise E would most likely be a violation of the treaty... I would like to note that DS9 used cloaking devices they constructed on the mines, but this must NOT have been a violation since the mines couldnt hold people... Also the Federation had the ability to cloak people in Insurrection... So there are MANY questions surround the Treaty of Algeron...

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I always assumed that the tech we saw in Insurrection was some sort of holographic tech. A sort of really good active camouflage, that isn't much good against sensors, but works for not being seen. And also not *technically* a cloaking device then to avoid treaty violations.

I dont see it that way at all, seems like a cloak to me... But again, it MUST not be a violation since the Federation is obsessive with treaties, so it must ONLY be for starships...

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios - I think it was mentioned in DS9 that parts of the treaty became lax due to the Dominion threat. And even under lax conditions, The Defiant could only use the cloak in the Gamma Quadrant, to which Sisko thumbed his nose at a lot before the war. I'm not sure fi the treaty ever went back to its non-laxed state.

It was NEVER mentioned in DS9 that anything had become lax...

Exactly!

No one knows what happened in that timeline. The treaty might be null and void

Thank you! yes I didnt include that because it was a cloaking device a century out of date, the same technique would not work on a current cloaking device :)

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios That's right. I remember the Klingon Captain telling Janeway that they have been traveling for four generations so yeah they won't have the upgraded cloaking technology

I didnt include it as it's a special video im making in the future :) That's why I used the caveat Alpha and Beta Quadrants ;) So stay tuned :)

TriAngulum Audio Studios speaking of quadrants voyager was close to crossing into the beta quadrant at the time of end game

They actually might have been....

Developing that phase cloak was the best thing that captain ever did, he was treated like a criminal but he was in fact a patriot

Well, in DSC we do see a Section 31 ship using a holographic cloak to mimic an asteroid and sneak around

JSK technically, that’s not cloaking. Some non canon games also use holograms to disguise ships as other ships. Romulans claimed it was a violation of the treaty’s spirit if not letter, even though Romulans started it first with their drone ships

I didnt include it as it's a special video im making in the future :) That's why I used the caveat Alpha and Beta Quadrants ;) So stay tuned :)

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Ah I see.

Hi! TBH I dont know the title off the top of my head... It is a royalty free music selection from RU-vid library... I went through hundreds of songs before finding it...

Thanks anyway.

No Problem next time im editing a video if I remember Ill check the title, but no promises :)

Id say they most likely are... They're able , after all, to detect Admiral Janeways Stealth Cloak tech in Voyager's Endgame...

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios But they didn't detect the cloak itself. They found the shuttle through signal triangulation since the admiral was broadcasting a signal.

Riiight which was WAY more advanced then a cloak :P Point is, they most likely could! And certainly they would have had enough Klingons, Romulans etc assimilated to make quick work of it!

I dont think so, They may have gained a bit of ground, but we know from Voyager the Borg are able to adapt to cloaking tech! Also though ego is a part of it, the main reason they dont employ cloaking tech is because their treaty with the Romulans prevents it!

TriAngulum Audio Studios Oh, right. THAT treaty. The treaty whereby Starfleet effectively handed their collective interplanetary @$$ to the Romulans (and everyone else) in the name of "diplomacy". MORONS. Why they ever even considered such a move just speaks of arrogance; the Federation REALLY believed in their own superiority that much?? Or were they just plain too freaking ignorant as to not understand what kind of technological- and political- hole they were digging for themselves?

Thank you so much :) I think he was referring to the loss of the Enterprise and his son... Basically he paid dearly for that BofP!

Not canon but : In the original script for Undiscovered Country it was mentioned Scotty was working on a team analysing the cloaking device taken from the wreckage of the bird of prey or Star Trek 3. This may also be in the Undiscovered Country novel.

Could be...

Well no LOL it's not Wonder Woman's invisible Jet :P The outside is a solid surface so it would be more like (though not entirely accurate) projecting the background on to your ships hull...

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I saw Wonder Woman flying her plane in an episode of Family Guy. Superman was flying past and noticed that she hadn't washed her hands after using the bathroom. 😨

Indeed :)

Thank you so much! :)

There isnt really information about that out there... So im not sure how ANY channel would achieve what you're looking for....

That's something I've always wondered as well actually... Even the disruptors, why not have separate batteries for them and NOT connect them to the main power grid? BUT I guess in Trek that would make these small ships too powerful... Not good for story telling :P

The inability to fire while cloaked is a story telling weakness.

If I remember my Star Trek fact files correctly, the power demand was only one aspect of the cloak. The cloaking shield also reflected weaponry back at the cloaked ship or otherwise made it behave in unpredictable ways. I suspect part of how they got around this in the case of the BoP and Scimitar is by somehow momentarily weakening or dropping the cloak on one side of the ship which may explain both why the BoP momentarily appears while firing its torpedoes and why starfleet seemingly can't use the gas sniffing photons on any other cloaked ship. The BoP's cloak was inherently weaker to begin with. It's harder to guess with the Scimitar but if I remember Nemesis right they do say the ship has something like Multi-vecteral shielding, which when applied to the cloaking device could mean that while the ship remains under cloak they can fine tune it to only weaken or expose a weapon port rather than the whole side of the ship... I kinda hate the Scimitar though so i don't really want to think about it that much. :p

This is a very old video, so NOT exactly sure what you are referring too... However, it doesnt matter WHAT cloaking device it would use... The Treaty Of Algeron would still forbid it's use...

So exactly what the video says :P

Yes and? We know it did and we know why... Th Romulans loaned to the Federation in exchange for information! It wasnt a Fed design device!

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios which means not only did the federation have one, it used it.

I think you've misunderstood the entire statement! The Federation was forbidden to DEVELOP cloaking technology! Not to have or use one if the Romulans say here go ahead...

No, it's simply unimportant as this is about the Cloak specifically not the shields...

-Anything seen in episodes and movies of Trek is canon, so yes!

Thank you so much :) :)

That's not what this video is about, it is about the cloaking device themselves and Not plot points surrounding them...

Im PRETTY sure the video explains that all...

I didnt neglect it, it was unimportant since it wasnt a utilized technology of Starfleet... It was an illegal experiment and the subject mentioned in tomorrows Trek facts video...

Ok I can accept that clarification. It was an unsanctioned experiment that violated a treaty.

Indeed it was! And to this point in Trek timeline, it was NEVER a utilized technology!

Thank you :) And yes it's really odd to think they won the war against the Romulans yet negotiated to not allow themselves to develop a cloak...

History is writen by the victors. And sometimes its dual writen by each side.

It's possible!

Indeed it is, it is simply a story point...

Maybe

Except they couldnt, as they had a Treaty with the Romulans that PREVENTED them from doing that! It was in the Treaty of Algerion!

Of course they should, and did... But MOST of the Series take place while the Treaty is still in effect :P But once it isnt, clearly the Federation DID develop that Tech as seen in Star Trek Discovery! You should also note, that this video was made almost 3 years ago, before that information had come to light!

Sorry but could you tell me what specifically in the video you're trying to counter with this? Its been a long time since I made this video. Also Fact.

Sorry. I meant no disrespect, I really liked your video. I just wanted to point out that the Romulans had cloaking technology in Star Trek Enterprise. This video talked about the Sulobon (I don’t think I spelled that correctly) cloak, and the Klingon cloak in Discovery, but did not mention the Romulans’ cloaking technology until we get to the original series era. I was just bringing up that the Romulans (as shown on Enterprise) had cloaking technology before the Klingons did. In the video, it implies that the Klingons made it first, when in fact (in the original series) they got their cloaks from the Romulans. Again I mean no disrespect and have the upmost respect for your work. I am simply stating a fun fact.

Sorry you are incorrect... The Episode makes VERY clear it WAS a form of cloaking device AND that the Admiral AND Riker broke the treay and as such were arrested at the end of the episode!

These video are "In Universe" videos so outside of that means nothing in this context...

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