TF2 but you Spawn on your Team-mates

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@Octanis0 Год назад

To be fair in some of those games you can't respawn onto your teammates if they're already in combat.

@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire Год назад

Or if the enemy or control point is nearby. Plus, usually they have bigger, more open maps, moving points that really benefit defenders, and they make it harder for the steamrolling team to respawn instead of how TF2 does it. Game design is an art.

@awsomebot1 Год назад

"some"? try most lol

@TheRealBatabii Год назад

In the Splatoon games, jumping takes a few seconds and there's a clear marker on the ground when a player is about to land so it's very easy to get ambushed It also helps that everyone has the same HP, so you can't just tank everything

@Boltscrap Год назад

I wonder if it would also help if players spawning on teammates had like half health and/or ammo, so spawning at spawn has the upside of starting out with more resources.

@doodlesyoru2108 Год назад

@@Boltscrap I'd say half ammo and a temporary damage vulnerability.

@bugjams Год назад

The concept of a Medic retreating a corner to undergo mitosis and spawn a new Medic (and subsequently more Heavies) is hilarious.

@TheDiner50 11 месяцев назад

Next level tryhard medic. And honestly the shit medic players go through makes the idea of undergo mitosis as your team sucks ass quite genuine. We are talking about Medic here. Cheating the devil and getting away with it.

@-Sentient 10 месяцев назад

Cells be like

@StygianSunder 10 месяцев назад

Medic’s experiments be getting wack

@Espartanica 9 месяцев назад

Halo 4 Promethean Knights and Watchers would literally do this Watchers can spawn/revive Knights, while also being able to give them a shield or throw back grenades. Knights can also spawn new Watchers

@pemo2676 9 месяцев назад

in the right circumstances, a medic who is alone (which is very dangerous to such environments) will undergo mitosis to create a healing chain and safety in numbers, and in rare events a double mitosis. in even more extreme circumstances, the natural order determines that the medics need a target of safety to hide behind and to heal, as such - and with the number of medics present - TWO heavies are introduced. this balances the ecosystem, and allows equal reaction to dangerous stimuli present to medics in their natural environment. it is their most dangerous capability.

@GreenGuyGeno Год назад

This is why teleporters are very VERY important, fellas.

@Emm1lyn Год назад

Yeah, this gamemode is basically just TF2 but everyone is a glorified Teleporter Exit.

@yesno-vz3ci Год назад

Yeah.

@ninjabaiano6092 Год назад

Teleporters are not fellas.

@kingstaze9696 Год назад

Teleporters are the lifeblood of defense and offense. Being able to sustain defense with rapid deployment and being able to sustain offense the same way is incredibly important.

@shrub8644 Год назад

I think teleporters in general are weird, how sometimes the entire game is played around them. They can either be super op or super underpowered depending on how well or how poorly they are defended.

@Nova-exe Год назад

Imagine you're fighting a scout and then 12 heavies just materialize from him

@superexplosion5985 Год назад

Um achulee it would be 11 heavies 🤓

@mrdeadmemes Год назад

@@superexplosion5985 wrong they change class to heavy and then teleport back

@SmegmaGoblin Год назад

It's like the scene from malcolm in the middle with Hal and the weightlifters

@saki453 Год назад

He called upon his homies.

@jimmydesouza4375 Год назад

Pipes eat 12 heavies standing inside of each other.

@hughjanes4883 Год назад

5:32 That stupid medic? The REALLY dumb one that laughs then dies? That's me right there.

@Greyspecies9999 Год назад

based

@bobkinect5254 Год назад

and i was also this medic at 1:13 too th

@lagmanrealtrustme Год назад

You have my respect, that's pretty damn based.

@sirbill_greebi3811 Год назад

And that one just hiding next to the cart and watching the sticky bombs at 1:58

@Spacebugg Год назад

@@bobkinect5254 thats pretty nice tho

@gangrene9897 Год назад

Worth noting that TF2 respawns players in waves for the expressed purpose of keeping players grouped up. So, living players aren't just drip feeding respawns, every player has a whole party of four in their pocket.

@avilionamillion Год назад

yeah a lot of tf2's design goes into balancing out teams for the time it takes to move out to the frontlines (teleporters have cooldowns, spawning earlier etc.) so yeah this experiment was always going to be a royal mess

@TheLostPhoenixOfTheSkies Год назад

Not a pocket medic but a whole pocket hospital 😭

@TikiShades Год назад

I'm surprised more games didn't learn this. Overwatch would've been so much more bearable if I didn't have to convince people it's bad to rush in alone and die.

@doltBmB Год назад

Battlefield 1942 spawned people in waves. Crysis Wars spawned people in waves, it works.

@moronribbons5774 Год назад

Despite this I too often don't find myself spawning with a buddy for soldier's whip speedboost...

@ivysundew_ Год назад

Could this have worked better if?: -Blu had the same respawn time as Red -You couldn't spawn on a teammate if they recently took damage -You couldn't spawn on a teammate if they're on a point or near the cart

@alface935 Год назад

- You can't spawn on a Invisible Spy (Clock And Dangar in some random coner of the map just serving as a infinity respawn becon for the entire match) - You can't spawn on a Disquise Spy

@darrylthewolf6568 Год назад

@@alface935clock and dangar

@kurrygan Год назад

-You cant spawn on uber medic -You cant spawn on spy -You cant choose sniper And this gamemode will be fun

@RandomDude647 Год назад

Bonk scout also shouldn't be able to be a respawn beacon while invincible. Maybe phlog Pyro too

@vendami Год назад

You can’t play the game at ALL how about that

@haazmat Год назад

Now I really wanna see a giant Battlefield-esque map but with TF2 gameplay.

@oktayyildirim2911 Год назад

Imagine building up enormous speed rocket jumping off the warehouse on Golmud Railway, sailing across the map, and landing a garden on a poor soul in the village.

@peccyweccy Год назад

@@oktayyildirim2911golmud railway goes so hard

@Reitaliation Год назад

@@oktayyildirim2911 Rocket jumping from tower on Siege of Shanghai

@madmannn9576 Год назад

imagine what the "behemoths" would be. the giant bread monster?

@pauloricardo-wn6ps Год назад

sniper heaven

@kokorikopi Год назад

Whenever you do one of these TF2 experiments it always makes Spy insanely broken. It's like Dragapult in Pokemon.

@camoking3609 Год назад

Not the "slightly less random crit" experiment

@O5MO Год назад

Very unique & experimental class + unique and experimental mechanic = unique and very broken experience

@memor22 Год назад

Becouse spy is balanced by players not the game, so if you change how its played, the players are gonna adapt and just make spy insanely op

@user-nm9yd4wq4s Год назад

do you have a RBY metagame comparison?

@user-lh7mt7zo7l Год назад

@@user-nm9yd4wq4s mewtwo

@YahiamiceLIVE Год назад

"oops! it's actually a 1v7"

@OfficialMisterBoo 3 месяца назад

Yahiarat, what are you doing here?

@ZeroGForce 11 месяцев назад

"Alright, nice team kill, everyone!" "Wait, I count eleven corpses, not twelve." "Well, that last guy can't have gone far, right?" _[eleven Heavies materialize around a crouched Cloak & Dagger Spy behind enemy lines]_

@KnightandDay33 7 месяцев назад

1:18 Here we can see medic undergoing mitosis Nature truly is beautiful

@porlolxd2930 Год назад

1:14 i like to think that medic could actually multiply himself and bring his pocket heavy 24/7

@danolantern6030 8 месяцев назад

A _literal_ pocket heavy.

@thedeergod435 15 дней назад

He had them in his inventory

@nickybakes Год назад

Shoutout to the spy next to the point at 5:49 who starts dancing then almost immediately gets hunstmanned.

@seronymus Год назад

Clever eye to notice that, this game is just always naturally hilarious

@grievetan 11 месяцев назад

tf2 is a comedy gold

@Disappointo Год назад

This man will never run out of TF2 experiments to do

@burn1ngbunny Год назад

What if you ran the same experiment but with a couple changes? A) Players can't spawn on invisible spies. B) Player's can't spawn on a teammate that's already in combat.

@curiosityenjoyer Год назад

define "in combat"

@me67galaxylife Год назад

and change the timer for blu

@TheDolphinTuna Год назад

Probably would have resulted in a similar, but less drastic outcome.

@MillsTC Год назад

@@curiosityenjoyer usually in games like battlefield, "in combat" is defined as having taken damage from an enemy player in the last 5 seconds.

@christiancinnabars1402 Год назад

@curiosityenjoyer TF2 actually has some mechanics that are very similar to being "in combat." The Medigun, for example, provides less healing to players that have been dealt direct damage by an enemy within the last 10 seconds and max healing to players that haven't taken damage in the last 15 seconds. Providing a clear system of "in combat," a five second grace period of being on "alert," and then afterwards being considered out of combat.

@wryyy2841 Год назад

1:21 "and now red? more like... sad" 😭

@brightblackhole2442 5 месяцев назад

why didn't he say "lose" instead??? it would've rhymed much better

@Arslan35 3 месяца назад

@@brightblackhole2442 Dead, it's just dead.

@UH-60_Blackhawk Месяц назад

@@brightblackhole2442 what world do you live on where lose rhymes better

@simplyalonso 2 дня назад

dead was right there dude...

@toyocolla6374 Год назад

1:36 Is like killing a random spider but then the babies start swarming out

@wevegottrouble5891 Год назад

It's a little crazy to think about how potent Spy is in a mode like that. Everyone on blue kill binds at the same time and they teleport onto that random Cloak and Dagger Spy on first CP and you have an immediate raid on a Control Point.

@Bucket_Of_Spamton 4 месяца назад

With Co-ordination an entire team could win games in seconds, this was chaos but a focused attack made with planning, this is TF2, at it's most broken

@Qgthauy Год назад

"World War 2 would've been a lot easier if you could split off by mitosis" - Grouse playing Enlisted

@mcmoozack Год назад

This actually seems like it would be a really neat gamemode, after balancing of course.

@Auto-UTTP_Report_Bot 2 месяца назад

2:00 the fact everyone tried to run away from the bomb and still died is hilarious for some reason

@brainha5747 Год назад

I think we all knew it was a bad idea the moment we realized people can spawn on invisible spies

@gangrene9897 Год назад

I'm interested in how CTF works with this, being a gamemode that's known for eternal stalemates

@fitmotheyap Год назад

Eternal eternal stalemates

@moronichybrid Год назад

One spy creeps into the enemy base and it becomes chaos.

@UH-60_Blackhawk Год назад

as soon as a spy gets in the Intel room, the enemy auto loses basically

@TheOneWhoHasABadName Год назад

that could be interesting, since defending players can try to spycheck and deter spies, but at the same time, the invading spy can summon an army to clear the defenders and get the intel since the gamemode is symmetrical, both teams have the offensive and defensive tasks at the same time. they need to figure out how many teammates need to attack and how many need to defend. spies can act as mobile respawn anchors to get flanking attacks, but they can’t really fight well with their role so even the amount of spies to be used could be interesting to figure out

@jakaberdajs4378 11 месяцев назад

@@UH-60_Blackhawk... You still gotta make the walk back... Or are we ognoring the core mechanic of ctf?

@railroach 10 месяцев назад

5:49 shout out to that spy who backstabbed a soldier, taunted, then instantly died

@Sleepy_Cabbage Год назад

positioning is insanely important in tf2, so it makes sense that this breaks the game

@bobbyperson1 Год назад

normally in games that allow respawns on teammates, they have to be not in combat (shooting or getting shot at), this might make it better in tf2

@MoustachioFurioso83 Год назад

Even more reason to have Spy anchors... unless you do the obvious thing and prevent invisible/disguised Spies from having teammates spawn on them, if at all.

@TinyDeskEngineer Год назад

@@MoustachioFurioso83Yeah, Spy should most definitely be excluded from having teammates spawn on him. Spy is designed to be able to easily get behind enemy lines without the enemy knowing, so much so that even a spy who has very little experience can easily find his way into a hiding spot and act as an entire team of Eureka Effect engineers, silently teleporting everyone behind enemy lines. Also, perhaps people who have had many teammates spawn on them without getting attacked themselves could have a beacon pointing towards their position, like teleporters in Mann vs. Machine.

@LeoForeo Год назад

every time shounic uploads i giggle and kick my feet in the air

@blueknife7728 Год назад

@juango500 Год назад

can I see th- * gets beaten to death *

@AliceLoverdrive Год назад

Saaaame

@GewelReal Год назад

gay

@seronymus Год назад

🍹 🌈

@festiveobeliskus Год назад

0:36 is the funniest shit ive ever seen with the ragdolls and everything

@AndroCubed Год назад

this is what the internet has done to my humor

@AVI-lh6rm 7 месяцев назад

its just age of war gameplay

@Ayeloo Год назад

It feels like it would take just a handful of tweaks to make this a really fun gamemode

@RdTrler Год назад

The confused looks on all the respawning players are priceless.

@selbi182 Год назад

This could be very fun for a high-paced Team Deathmatch mode

@dappegames8706 Год назад

4:29 "It's no balls"

@arikomart7209 4 месяца назад

It's snowballs, but still a ball

@Opus_Sir Год назад

6:05 From the words of a very lazy man "Heavy + Teleporters = A SUPERIOR CLASS"

@King-of-Cheetos Месяц назад

1:13 The 0.01% of the bacteria that didn't get killed by the hand sanitizer:

@milanknezevic7652 Год назад

1:30 - RED more like DEAD

@Pyroscity Месяц назад

They need some REDEMPTION tbh

@nightwaffles283 Год назад

What if the spawn timer was the same for both teams?

@kurrygan Год назад

Red wins, thats all

@muru_7922 Год назад

The first team to win would snowball and win most of the next matches.

@Sorta8 Год назад

Actually, that makes me think, how would an attack/defense map work as a control points game, obviously blue would be at a bit of a disadvantage, since one point and longer walking distance, but if you give blue the same 5 second spawn timer advantage, could they more efficiently push the red team? Add to all of that the map changing mechanic of attack/defense in a more tug-of-war-esque manner and the ways the game could progress may end up being pretty interesting, at least in theory. I feel like someone has done something like that before, though

@Lemon-cm4nh 9 месяцев назад

"You were supposed to destroy the teleporters, not join them!" Cloak and dagger spy in the corner: "I HATE YOU!"

@blueknife7728 Год назад

Wow,what excellent timing lol.Cant wait to see how this ends :D

@the48thronin97 Год назад

I know these videos often seem like silly/fun thought experiments, but it really shows just how important every aspect of game design really is. Love the content!

@Geebanger0 Год назад

Respawning on your teammates works in games like battlefield because of 2 restrictions 1) you can usually only respawn on your squad mates. You join a squad of up to 4 people, including yourself, and those are the only people that act as respawn points for you, not your entire team. 2) you can’t respawn on a teammate if they’re fighting someone else. If you want to prevent extra enemies from spawning in, you can just keep shooting at the last guy remaining.

@epicjack340 Год назад

imagine a random eureka effect engineer teleporting to the last point and multiplies into all of the enemy team

@classmcsass1775 Год назад

What a hilarious experiment. I love this kind of content

@lazarusmekhane439 Год назад

'Coming out of the blue' really is a good summation of this experiment's result.

@whatarewesomekindofspookysquad Год назад

You should do an experiment where the cap times of 5CP are reversed -- where mid takes the least amount of time and last points take as long as mid does normally. I forsee team masses swinging wildly between last points as mid is a fast battle but last points are very difficult to take, but I'm interested in seeing where it would go for real.

@RichardRichardman Год назад

eternal stalemate

@pyrotechnic96 Год назад

Yeah it'd be bad. It would be really hard to cap second because mid would always be ripe for backcapping meaning you always have to commit resources for it. Plus capping last would be really really hard in a pub setting. You'd be forced to spawncamp to get enough point time.

@SamuelTrademarked 11 месяцев назад

discount ctf

@theitalianmexican1035 Год назад

In battlefield, they prevent the whole “one guy survives the fight and brings his whole team back” thing by making so you can’t spawn on a teammate that is “in combat”, which means he’s currently fighting sombody. I think it also stops you if they are near alot of enemies, but I’m not sure. I wonder how it would be like if TF2 had this system too, so that way one person couldn’t run away from a teamfight and then wait for his whole team to spawn again and then come back.

@wulfee_8434 8 месяцев назад

yeah the "in combat" clause on the spawning on teammate thing leads to full team wipes being a lot easier than one person suddenly spawning an entire team from their ass

@GlitchyPSI 11 месяцев назад

Splatoon has a mechanic called Super Jump, in which you can jump to any teammate at any point in time (including right after spawning). SJs take quite some time to complete, and there is an indicator when a player is SJing towards another which gives the opposing team a chance to react. I think that could balance this nicely, as spawning normally is still faster in actionable time compared to Super Jumping Although, you can buff superjumps in splatoon soooooo some may be faster

@GewelReal Год назад

That's the coolest thumbnail you have ever done

@WangelHL2 Год назад

OK but like, why would RED and BLU put their mercs onto of each other. Like bruh

@purplehaze2358 Год назад

"And now, 'red'? More like.... 'sad'." You probably could have said "dead" and it would be just as accurate, if not more so.

@alittledeezer6415 Месяц назад

Cloak and Dagger finally got its time to shine

@Walmartbag-tb2no 5 дней назад

5:10 here’s something pretty funny, when we were defending blu team tried to backcap but failed, then we were switched to attacking i decided to backcap for no reason but two other scouts joined me to backcap, that made us won

@vzm_underscore Год назад

as a lot of other comments stated, it’d be interesting to see this done with major tweaks to balance it out more, though thats really a lot of work for something not many people want. still, would be neat to see!

@BappO-is-me Год назад

I feel a way to balance this out is to make sure you cant spawn on people who are currently in battle (maybe restrict them so you can't spawn on them for 3 seconds when they attack or get hurt)

@sigataros Год назад

0:00 thank you for this information

@pochita8721 Год назад

This gamemode is the best teleporter commercial ever

@zboy1775 Год назад

I love how monotone shounic is, it's funny

@BaKa60gaming Год назад

cant you just change the respawn time?

@The_D_ray Год назад

This is something I didn't need to know, but I'm glad I now know.

@winterwolf6098 5 месяцев назад

the one cloak and dagger spy acting as a endless teleporter for their team

@the_patch_notes Год назад

Here is an interesting question. In those game modes like Payload and point captures, (without the chaotic teammate spawns) does attack or defense have an easier time? I have had a conversation regarding this over games like TF2 and BFN.

@TheGamerUnknown Год назад

What if you made the spawn times equal, disabled spawn on cloaked spies? You could also make a little hologram appear where someone is about to spawn, or add a condition that prevents players recently in combat from being spawned on.

@thorveim1174 Год назад

man hat would make cloak-and-dagger spies an utter nightmare.. every little corner coudl hide an invisible spawn point

@crackedemerald4930 10 месяцев назад

Looking at tf2 gameplay like this feels like watching a petri dish with pond water

@Greenhourglass Год назад

If you do this again, you should probably make respawn times the same, and make it so you can’t respawn on someone who’s too close to an enemy or has a line of sight with an enemy. Alternatively you could scrap all of this and give Engineers a device they can build that players can respawn at, but the enemy team could destroy

@FluffyFailure0 Год назад

This still sounds like stupid fun. :3

@tPlayerioT 11 месяцев назад

"this medic, multiplies into another medic" lol thats looks like a infection

@258thHiGuy Год назад

I love the idea of a spy holding invis with the cloak and dagger and just being a super teleporter for the entire team

@user-nm9yd4wq4s Год назад

1:03 the amount of time saved by saying merc park instead of mercenary park is incredible

@bobbyferg9173 Год назад

1:14 Only Shounic lets us see the process of Medic Mitosis in real time

@Alcatrax_ Год назад

I can’t imagine the headache it would take to try and recreate into tf2 the “in combat” condition that often goes with games with the spawn on teammate mechanic

@christiancinnabars1402 Год назад

A similar mechanic actually already exists in the game. The Medigun heals less when the heal target has taken damage within the last 10 seconds. After 10 seconds, the healing rate slowly increases before returning to max after 15 seconds of taking no damage. So combine that with maybe a radius check for enemies to ensure a whole team isn't able to drop in on a teammate in hiding, and you have a mostly functional "in combat" condition.

@elijahcalderon6419 Месяц назад

I like how splatoon does it because with the super jump you can basically teleport to a teammate from spawn but it is marked that you will be landing there and the opposing team can just prepare to vaporize you if your teammate happens to die before you land

@henke37 Год назад

I consider this experiment a success, you obtained valuable data.

@punishedwhispers1218 11 месяцев назад

A verison of KOTH with this called Bear Pit would be so much fun

@charlotte_0 11 месяцев назад

Would love to see a POV of a koth game like this. It's like TF2 gone full quake deathmatch

@jabz1582 Год назад

I love the cloak n dagger spy respawn beacon idea lol

@zivanara1781 Год назад

sounds fun

@origamiman7891 11 месяцев назад

0:20 The heavy on the left just committing mitosis

@omnisel Год назад

It's interesting how 5CP, although seeming to be symmetrical, actually become an asymmetrical game after the center point is capped.

@funnydotyes Год назад

Spy sounds like a nightmare in this mode

@Left4Cake Год назад

Almost like a game mechanics work in tantum and changing one thing sometimes require a complete overhaul to truly impmenttion in a balanced way.

@4per8 Год назад

this is a certified splatoon 1 meta moment

@RobinRhombus2 11 месяцев назад

I feel like this would be good if it were one very specific game mode with maps specifically tailored to suit it.

@trystanreadman1764 7 месяцев назад

i think the strength lies more in that this artifically creates nigh on perfect team co-ordination than just faster respawn.

@Marxon1134 Месяц назад

Honestly surprised that respawn times were not standardized off the bat to compensate.

@Jay-nh6um 17 часов назад

cells after interphase be like: 1:15

@Mabra51 Год назад

All Blu needs is a single cloacked spy hiding near the objective to act as a teleporter.

@RoyalFusilier 4 дня назад

"One single Flood spore can destroy a species..."

@glenn6657 Год назад

Suddenly the spy disguises as a teleporter.

@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth Год назад

I know this'd be a lot of work, but have you considered doing playtests where you add long-requested features? Stuff like Heavy getting a lunchbox slot, Demoman getting access to secondary shotguns, or Spy being able to make his disguises play firing/reload animations. I've always wondered how big changes like that would impact the game...

@grogcito 6 месяцев назад

Can't wait to see this in 100 player junction :shotroll:

@C.A._Old Год назад

*Yeah Shounic... i wish make this gamemode with 16 vs 16 like from Battlefield 1! You got me Shounic. I've been thinking about this for a week. how do all my dreams come out? Unbelievable+!*

@LtSprinkulz Месяц назад

Well yeah you didn't do any balancing lol. "Let me just fundamentally change how spawning works and nothing else." I love your videos, I just thought this was silly 😆

@RoyalFusilier 4 дня назад

When he brought up the unequal respawn times, that really stuck out to me. "Well then, fix that?"

@dreamsofthefuture2890 Год назад

that one cloak and dagger blu spy gonna fuck it all up

@colinjohnston3137 Год назад

Heavy mains when shounic wants to make a thought experiment an actual experiment

@paille-boy Месяц назад

this is a cool concept for an engie shotgun weapon teleporter backpack, allow teamate to teleport onto engie position upgrading the entrance give engie a speed boost sapping it will heavily slow down engie to heavy speed until the entrance is down, if friendly wrench like melee hit is done on engie it will unsap entrance if enemie spy take the entrance he will be allowed to phase through engie temporarily until he is away