tf2, but it’s MvM - normal tf2 with upgrades, canteens & med shield: who's best? what's the meta? 

I’m not sure that you could get close without a quick fix Uber because of the knockback. Maybe the unlikely teaming up of Spy + Pyro or a Cow Mangle charged shot to help get in close. But yeah I wanted to see a max speed Uber canteen Pyro going ham in this video.

@@DoABarrelRol1l in mvm busters have low knockback from sentries

It's funny that Uncle Dane, Engie Main Man, helped clue me in to how Engie is just a stall class and him being too powerful kind of ruins the game, and here we are.

You'd be wrong, even without sentry busters the sheer amount of robots a sentry has to face in MVM can quickly obliterate it, even with everything upgraded to max

@@theshermantanker7043 words of someone who has zero tours

>gets brown >falls on ground >refuses to elaborate further >leaves

we do a little trolling

that was literally me in the video on swiftwater lol

Spy with red tape recoder can screw u up

>walks up >places 1000 hp sentry >Dragon's furry pyro who spams uber canteens comes out of nowhere >Dies and gets his sentry destroyed

Impossible

The BLU Army and their engineers Seek to destroy our pl_pier But even then, from Upward to Process The Red Tape Recorder is the Strongest!

​@@TheodoresTomfooleries i see what you did there.

Is there a BLU tape recorder?

BLU still wont use it since its red

lol i thought the same thing

exactly what i was thinking

Overwatch wishes it was as fun as mvm in normal gameplay

Gladly got fixed in Overwatch 2

canteen == ultimates mvm upgrades == MOBA upgrades/equipment (paladins too) evil tf2 tbh

Just use the Jag and Rescue Ranger to never see them again

@@FieryBlazer9 The Jag makes the building faster but it is not insta On this game mode the Jag might even be a downgrade because you can just make the Stock Wrench attack faster while still being able to remove sappers in 2 hits

He did the revives on their own sometime back! I think that video inspired this one honestly. So if it wasn’t in this game then I believe it was done so purposefully since that was already tested.

@@DoABarrelRol1l thats still dumb since it wasnt tested with this

Especially since he noted in his other video that revives made people group up, and a lot of the upgrades in MvM hinged on players being grouped up

so in other words, The Gas Passer is The Great Filter.

I imagine Pyro in general was very helpful to counter Medic shields too, since flames go straight through

Gas passser def seemed to be the big threat that kept Heavies from just spamming down nests in droves with a pocket each and pyros to keep the stabby boys away

Yes. As a medic, i felt the ease with which you could get medic picks with it was extremely powerful. Normally in the game, a medic has a lot more ability to control how much damage they take through positioning and surfing, but with the ass passer, you would often just die moments after the pyro appears on your screen. One counter was that you could invest in uber canteens, as you would generally have time between getting the gas passer effect applied and being burnt. Not a lot, but enough to activate the canteen and save yourself.

Yeah, it can be easy to overlook how much the mere threat of something can affect a situation. Even if it doesn't end up getting actively used that much, it still forces the opponent to pick strategies that can avoid it or work well against it.

New 10th class: Sentry Buster.

@@kevinbui6895 Give the civilian the ability to place and denotate C4

Mann vs Machine vs Mann

@@Johnnyupside New class: Taliban suicide bomber on a wheelchair.

​@@kevinbui6895no,pay to unleash a sentry buster with the cash you earn

Hol’ up…that actually is what happens.

More emphasis on the Mann than on the Machine would be ideal.

More like Mann & Machine vs Mann & Machine

No it would become Mann vs Mann

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Just remove insta building redeploy. Oh, then demoknight would unstoppable become meta

imagine every minute you get a demo spawn that is player controllable sentry buster, would be hella fun

@@jermasus yea, interesting

Give the caber an upgrade that insta kills sentries and you’re good to go

​@@jermasus would be cool, except the engie has the rescue ranger (or he can just move it)

Yeah engineer would have to be really nerf(like his upgrade costing more or/and have sentry busters), then again there stuff like demoknight that would dominated.

If you want a game based around shooting at shields and tanks with too much health Overwatch exists

@@padacuw4722 OW2 fixed that

One could argue Mann-power's kinda like that

Now add man power.

soon™

@@Mikusch_ :)

@@hellsredeemer fr tho this looks so interesting, I wonder if that demo weapon that spams lots of stickies would be good into sentries(sorry I have not played in a long ass time)

@@d4s0n282 The Scottish Resistance.

Keep us updated, I wanna play Mann vs Mann with ya too!

Check Bounty Mode in TF2 and TCRF wikies. They tried.

Stop that tank is better

A tf2 pve gamemode where the mercenaries are on the offensive rather than the defensive. They could be fighting a paramilitary faction called "the brotherhood of arms" after the scrapped "team fortress 2: brotherhood of arms" Players would be able to get a different set of upgrades focused more on offense, available from upgrade stations in the junctions between different sections of the map.

A version called uber upgrades exist. What few servers had it, went to hell

​@@UpgradedHumanCyberneticsI play a bunch of UberUpgrades servers, and they often devolve into Soldier blast radius spam meta

It’s basically Uberupgrades

true dadd

No lol, it is only broken in context of MvM upgrades. In normal tf2 it is balanced.

@@madkirby823 99% of the player base would disagree. I main engineer and I think it’s overpowered.

@@Geebanger0 It is good for 2 things only. Stalling ubers and saving sentry from spam out of sentry range. So basically hard defense scenarios. Wrangler is more often than not a noob trap, leaving engineer defenseless. If it is so op, where are all the clips of it owning the match? That one single sigafoo clip before 3 nerfs 12 years ago?

@@madkirby823 a weapon isn't defined as overpowered because it's capable of singlehandedly winning a match, and to say that just shows how distorted your view of the games balance is. The wrangler is overpowered because it can increase your sentry guns effective health and damage at no downside. It's not a noob trap, and it doesn't leave the engineer defenceless since he can use his (now much stronger) sentry to deal with any enemy of his choice.

So ether sci -fi trench warfare or renaissance/1400s-1500s warfare.

The thing is his gameplay was very misleading. Not intentionally. When players hard countered him via Pyro, Soldier, and Sniper he actually pulled out the Uber Canteen. You can see most players did not have one and were buying them mid-lobby. He accidentally created a P2W situation for people without Canteens. Leave or die. I'm unsure too, but it seems like the Pyro, Soldier, and possibly even Sniper were asked not to abuse their stuns/air blast against Ace or they were just terrible players. Long story short it was a terrible environment for actual metas since from the current videos we have only seen the meta growing but not settling.

@@Buglin_Burger7878 Since when do you have to pay for Canteens? Don't you get them for free? Cause if not then I'm confused how I got mine then.

Ace played on a different version of this mod. In his version, the only way to make money is to get kills, so if you sat in the 2fort intel room as Engi you won't get any money until someone walks into your Sentry. So while Engi might have the better late-game, getting there was another problem. Meanwhile Boots/pipe + Tide + Half-Zato + Crit-on-kills means you kill someone, you can kill the entire enemy team. Kill team, earn lot's of money, buy lots of upgrades, and bam, you got Alchemist from Dota 2. Demoknight wasn't strong because it's upgrades were potent, but because he can get lots of net worth and just crush everyone else with it. Meanwhile, Shounic's version of the mod someone picks up money, everyone get's money, so even if you get zero kills, as long as your team is doing well, you still get money for upgrades. tl:dr Ace's version, one person snowballs out of control. Shounic's version, the team snowballs out of control. Dota 2/League of Legends vs. Heroes of the Storm, Base vs. Growth. Strong get's stronger by killing, weak get's strong by existing.

@@Buglin_Burger7878 my dude you can craft a canteen for like 2 reclaimed or get one for free after playing ONE MISSION of bootcamp, fuck outta here with that p2w

My brother in Christ, just play Paladins

@@All4Tanuki I forgot about that game. But hey at least it's not battle born

Just buff the Caber to do an inordinate amount's of damage to buildings. Or really just make Sentry busters a thing.

Just remove the Wrangler

@@All4Tanuki thanks, but im not a fan of p2w casino

One of Uncletopia's servers did this a while back and it was so confusing. I think it was gone the next day.

UberUpgrades?

It's even more difficult without a medic in higher difficulties.

*in two cities, on maps not built for the shield it's fine!

I use Sentry buster bug to make ubersaw farm for my medic to make my team happy And on Manhattan map, sometimes i place teleporter exit on banana peel near grinder, and when teammates teleports, i pick it up and he slides right into it😂

Engie would still be busted because of canteens and the Jag- he can still yolo in and plop a Lv.3 down instantly for 50 credits. The Jag redeploys a Lv.3 in around 5.3 sec- it’ll still be up with a good amount of health even if you kill the engie by the time it’s done redeploying

Red would just win every time.

Or just make sappers work normally with no cooldown

@@Skullhawk13 The sappers are normal, buildings just have more health now which means it takes longer to destroy

@@echononame491 Sappers have a cooldown in MVM and this game mode. Don’t go correcting people when you’re wrong. I’m aware of how sappers work, But evidently you aren’t.

There are still servers, but yeah, not commonly populated.

Weird they didn't consider making Sentries less strongful.

Although they dont really pose a challenge to any engie whos not braindead and helps the team with free ubers

@@jermasus it's not about destroying a sentry, it's to disrupt their camping position by forcing the engie to pick up their sentry and get in the way of possible enemy fire.

@@luigifan4585Also makes em more vulnerable if using the rescue ranger due to it's mark for death

Valve used to actually care about balance in mvm

xd!!!!!!!!!!

And combine those with the mode that removes the overheal limit

@@brisloviayt829 And combine it with x10, x50, x1000, x2000, x,10,000

I was thinking a weekly rotation of funny game modes. -this -medic revives -maybe a classic 10x -normal but no 12v12 cap / half time respawn -balanced version of this Etc would be pretty fun. Assuming you put in a an hour a day I think the novelty would wear off in a week or so.

Über upgrades

timestamp?

@@antonikudlicki1100 1:25-1:40 (that's mah sentry), 2:30-2:39 (when shounic literally made the "rat infestation" comment), and I think the one at 4:30 was mine too though the engineer's not shown so I'm not sure.

Die because those suckers do t use spy or engineer

would basically abuse the three strongest classes with their upgrades to an insane, coordinated degree

overwatch

After implementing Left 4 Dead in the game, TF2 players decided to implement Overwatch.

not funni.

this joke has been run into the ground so much it is in the earth's core now

@@GunSpyEnthusiast Funni license revoked 😔

@@imawesomererthanyou no its on the surface. it drilled from one side to the other.

It amazing how munch of tf2 balance is highly influence by engineer(or sniper)

That's back when valve actually cared about balancing MvM, see also: giant knockback resistance (fucked up by jungle inferno), widowmaker not giving metal from tanks (also fucked up, but not sure if that's from jungle inferno).

That's how plugin is called

@jessemathis9212 nah,that's just regular MvM but with engineers. On second thought it would be Mann & Machine vs Machine

good point

his wet dream insofar as he's an engineer and he likes winning

Have you ever seen the AI matches in Brood War? The AIs dont care about game time so it becomes a trench warfare of siege tanks + spidermines where each side slowly sweeps across the map

Forgotten?

Overwatch but in the 1960s?

Gas passer doesn't start charged

@@TheTdw2000 Soooo. . . If you were to spam pick up with the Scorch Shot and the Gas Passer it wouldn't work? Oh well. guess that meme is out of the window for now.

That sounds cool, but make it take the PDA 1 or PDA 2 slot (the engi and Spy ones) to spawn one

@@Aaa-vp6ug The way the joinblu mod does it is when a sentry buster would spawn it picks a respawning player and has them play for that life as a sentry buster.

me

new enforcer buff: gives you light speed and 75% resistance to all sources (its balanced because it has no random crits)

I mean, speed is 100% a major reason for Spy's current struggles. It generally takes too long for Spy to make plays, meanwhile a class like Sniper can get picks the second an enemy enters his line of sight.

(well also, medic's uber shield does significantly nerf snipers bc you can extend beyond cover to overheal a lot easier AND block off a lot of targets)

@@trainershade1937 If a Spy could make plays that fast there would be 0 counter play. It would be like having an invisible sniper that could be anywhere or that ally. It isn't so much Spy is weak but neither Spy nor Sniper work in FPS games well. Making fights 1-sided is not how PvP should work.

Overwatch's double shield meta all over again

You'd think that, but then you'd be trying to melee a sentry. This aint your average pub, and these aint your average sentries. One health upgrade already evens out the damage bonus you get. If you meant for helping your own engies, then yeah. It works.

@@InsightReasoning was thinking about both for the homewrecker. I guess the +25 damage increases and uber canteens aren’t enough. Probably still good at destroying teleporters

It was explode on Ignite Pyro, projectile shield medic, and engineer with the wrangler. Backup was basically useless because you couldn't burst down the sentry fast enough before it kills you, even with the added resistances from the banner and upgrades. And Explode on Ignite and the projectile shield damage pierces all resistances

@@luigifan4585 backup would probably be a lot more important for the crit immunity rather than sentry resistance considering the ease of access to crit canteens

@@TheTdw2000 It still saw very little use because Explode on Ignite instantly kills you

@@luigifan4585 does fire resistance not work on the gas passer? Even still, with an overheal and the buff active I think you can tank an explode on ignite unless it just bypasses all damage entirely.

The server where he gives notifis about experiments is a completely different one you have to been in

@@luigifan4585 do you have to be a patreon? If so then that's sad

@Ariel 🗿

chip damage, not much

If you're close enough to damage the sentry with the shield it's going to shoot you Also you could just get sniped by the huntsman or burned by a pyro