[TF2] Spy's Best Revolver 

Infinite crits

I actually think spy makes sense to have a weapon that does something after death tbh, WAY MORE than medic.

Finally, a spy revolver made for me!

It shall be called the true payback or something can you guy think of name for the weapon?.

​@@bossbrozork3022hmmmmm,Phantom Vengeance?

Good lord it exists because it really makes spy feel not useless when it gets caught after stabbing someone and the whole the enemy team turns their head, at least you can kill the one chasing you reasonably fast and run the fuck away And yes i know it's just OP but the same way Pyros won't stop using the Scorch shot because it's the best secondary objectyvely i won't stop using the Diamondback because it's objectively the only revolver that makes playing the worst class in the game not all that bad

@@bruschetta7711 Diamondback is certainly good for spy, but honestly, I really like how consistent the stock revolver is. It can 4-5 shot most of the classes and has decent falloff resistance

The le'tranger is the pea shooter

@@tvcat5096 nah, that’s the poor enforcer, the Le’tranger whispers “spy has a revolver” because it’s the sneaky one.

@@Slender_Man_186 but the enforcer does more damage than stock just slower, how is that a pea shooter?

The dead ringer is spys worst watch 😭😭

@@randomperson7350 if you play spy like how spy should be played, then yes. if you forgo any type of stealth and just abuse the kunai, then the other watches have nothing.

@@areosmithwagon9890 yeah but that’s cringe

@@areosmithwagon9890 the kunai does well and good with literally any watch while not having the boring downside of waiting 20 seconds everytime I get hit for the cool down to wear off

@@areosmithwagon9890 tbh all this random cri- i mean high skill trickstab stuff will become completely unviable if the game only allowed backstabs if the spy was facing enemy's back for atleast 0.1 seconds.

Don't get me wrong, I'm awful at spy but I can't count how many time I see the back stab indicator (where he raises his knife) just for the opponent to turn a whole 10 degrees and I'm still facing his back but it registers as a butter knife

As a person who just got a PC for Christmas and has started playing spy, I relate to this. I miss perfect backstabs in the perfect position. But at the same time, someone will be facing me full on and I’ll somehow get behind them and kill them. Guess that’s life as a spy

I had to complete my Hot Hands contract somehow. I was so close to being done with all the contracts! 😩

Hot hand=Best pyro melee.

Since the Diamondback rewards you for just playing Spy normally, the equivalent would be if building sentries, buildings or teleporters awarded you crits.

That would be farmable/exploitable.

​@@ludwigiapilosa508Gee! You think?

​@@leithaziz2716playing spy normally means dying after first backstab. Spy is not a sniper, its a high risk - high reward class, it's not just a sweat cs:go player who imstalled tf2 2 days before and going into the pubstomp just because most of tf2 payload maps full of sightlines which you can't avoid

​@@NibelungenwarmongersNo it isn't. Playing Spy well means either you can get a chainsaw or you can run away after a stab.

That sounds very fun actually. Take 1 stab and now you are gunspy.

The problem is that changing it to mini crits gives it an extra 9 damage from stock, basically making it worthless.

Temporary viable Gunspy could be a cool idea.

@@thebushbros6626remember mini crits dont have fall off though, you get slightly more damage but you also get infinite range

Minicrits that deal a tiny amount more damage then stock, at least the diamondback is now sandman tier.

Well said

The biggest balance misstep behind the Ambassador and the Diamondback is that the Amby was nerfed because it could snipe enemies from afar, so they tried mitigating that with damage falloff. The Diamondback's crit-shots aren't affected by falloff. So they can do the same things that made pre-nerf Amby controversial, but for far less work. Which circles back to why the Amby needed to be nerfed in the first place. I don't like getting two-shot from across half the map, but you can already do that with the Diamondback, and without needing to land headshots.

I feel part of the issue is that the Diamondback also rewards you for sapping buildings, if they were to keep the mechanic at very least make it only counts to Sentries, not even Minies.

@@sussy3778 The Diamondback on launch only gave crits on sapped buildings. But that made it underpowered since it relied on the enemy team having an Engineer, and that made the weapon extremely situational.

You mean skill floor. A skill celing describes the limitations of how good you can get at something if you put in the time. A skill floor is how little skill you need to be effective. The skill floor on the amby is far, far higher as a player who doesn’t have good revolver aim is super unlikely to be able to use this gun at all, while that guy using the diamondback after getting a stab or sapping a random building which isn’t the most difficult against unaware teams gets to have a random chance of popping someone in the knee with 102 damage

This is the average spy gameplay

I swear that's actually a clip of me playing spy

That is what happens when I play spy, every time I go to do ANYTHING as the spy shit hits the fan and light speeds for some reason. Like I hardly ever see the backstab animation because it never FUCKING SHOWS UP AND I NEVER GET BACKSTABS AND JUST FUCKING DIE... Anyways I'm pretty sure that was a clip of me playing spy.

brother didn't hit a clip he lightly touched a crop 💀

@@jjl2844 what

Its only busted because people have no idea how to turn around lmao

how did you comment this 14 hors ago if the video was posted 1 hour ago wtf?

@@kamion8298 Channel members are given early viewing, usually only about half a day.

@@numpy979 How does "turning around" help when your friendly Scout turns into an enemy Spy as you get 103 damage cleaved off your HP? You do know this is a REVOLVER video, right?

​​@@KyleLyre13I think he didn't watch the video and thought it was a video about the kunai or something (however,this doesn't make sense because the title and thumbnail show a revolver...)

I like this balance change

That changes practically nothing. That doesn’t fix any of the inherent problems with giving a Spy free revolver crits at little cost to himself and no change to his playstyle. The only difference is that Spy is now incapable of *maximizing* his free crits. And let me tell ya, *maximizing* something is a drop in the bucket when the problem is how much it is being *abused.* That’s a solid change, but not on its own. The Diamondback needs much more significant nerfs than just the loss of a passive Solemn Vow.

@@TheNorfAndOnly Nerfing it too much though would probably make it completely useless though. At least in my opinion, most weapons that have had too much of a change from their core sidegrade idea got scrapped entirely.

As someone that uses the YER especially with the Diamondback, that would be atrocious

I think only 3 crits is a bit harsh. I mean the Frontier Justice's crit cap is 35.

​@@mariustan9275yeah but again only 3 shots at a time, has shotgun spread so it can't be a diet sniper and only reloads one shot at a time as opposed to all 6 at a time. But I agree that a critn cap of 3 is too harsh, 6-10 is more reasonable

@@plbsterAlso I’d say if a spy somehow manages to get 6 whole crits and not dying then they should have little problem getting more anyways

Sure just nerf the worst class in the game's primary options even more. Already lost the amby

That's the thing that everyone forgets, kunai and diamondback seem like the most OP weapons in existence until you remember it's on the only class that can be countered purely through good game sense.

@@captainweekend5276 kunai can’t be countered by good game sense because no matter how smart you are Jose.Gonzalez.2012 is not turning around. Same goes for diamondback, which recently got bug fixed to give 2 crits per backstab now

@@bobertastic6541 Just because your bullshit indeserved random melee crit cant kill the spy doesnt make the amount of health busted. 210 hp is nothing when you literally stab someone and the entire team starts hunting you. There are so many moments where i die because of the -55 hp and so many moments where i live thanks to the extra hp. It counteracts itself. "But my teammate bad", there are so many god damn weapons that benefit from the other team having bad players, but apparently thats only worth talking about when its a spy. Frontier justice, all the soldier banners, ubersaw, vitasaw, BFB, soda popper, literally every item in the game that has a meter that increases with damage or something related to other players. Or how about the entire crit ramp-up mechanic where just because you killed some people in the enemy team you deserve to kill the others without it being fair. I mean some of these examples are also really funny. There are so many weapons in the game where theyre the "absolute best for the spot" and thus are overpowered, but only the kunai and diamondback face that issue apparently. What about the literal ubersaw? How many medics do you see not using it? None if theyre all good at the game. %25 uber because the enemy is too stupid to not realize youre there? Especially when its on the same class that has a %60 to crit because healing also counts towards ramp-up? I mean come on.

@@eurasian8492the difference is that medic doesn’t have the ability to go invisible, and is also significant more likely to get shot just because he’s a medic. The kunai completely nullifying any damage I’ve done to a spy because he back stabs someone with less brain cells that the char im sitting on is insanely frustrating, especially since it also extinguishes, making it almost jsut a better spycicle too. The kunai is a crutch for spies that can’t pick their fights properly, so instead of learning how to approach or who to approach, they pick a knife that assuming they get one stab in will safety net them away. Nice try comparing medics ubersaw to the kunai, truly French levels of cope.

@@eurasian84921. The kunai turns people into health packs so you can just face tank 2k damage as long as they keep feeding. 2. If a medic is able to hit you with his melee and live he deserves the 25% Uber.

Eeeh not that much of an issue tbh As spy i usually sap and shoot the revolver 3 times (or more) with or without crits, DB crits are not like Medic Ubers and are much more expandable Anyway that technic allows the teleporter to have just enough health to die by the sapper much more quickly, and the other entry or exit if not guarded will still reward you the crit (alltho that doesn't happen always)

I mean alternatively you can just look at the top of your screen and see if anyone on the enemy team is dead and waiting to respawn, if no one is then you can simply keep sapping the entrance until it eventually destroys, even if the engie is on the exit breaking your sapper since he wont have time to heal the teleporter. Also you could try taking the teleporter because 9/10 the engie is jose.gonzales2009 who keeps his teleporter exit glued to his nest instead of an actual good position for his team to advance and then you either backstab him or telefrag him.

Yeah, spies who even use their gun at all are rare, though thankfully GunSpy is gaining traction so I think eventually we're going to see a sea of stock revolver chads

Nah I don’t need those I enjoy spy in vanilla the most

Because revolver suuuucks, it has a fat bullet spread forcing the spy to wait a whole second between shots.

not even extra cloak, it just gets boring after using it for a bit, and the kills arnt even rewarding. there's something about sneaking behind your enemies and using something like TER and just getting some nice sneaky kills

YER*

Have you tried VSH Saxton Hale mode since the summer update?

​@@seronymusYeah

@@AmalekIsComing HOW DO YOU FIND AND TORMENT ME AAAAAA AAAAA T_T

@@seronymusit’s in the misc section

@@seronymus I haven’t. the shooter genre as a whole hasn’t been something that I’ve played as much as I appreciate it.

But the frontier justice is a "oh shit" weapon your sentry (engies main source of damage if they're competent) is down so you have a beefed up primary to deal with the inevitable push that comes with a dropped sentry (assuming stock wrench ofc) but the diamondback is more so "all according to kaikaku, I got a stab on a Gibbs heavy and now I will become a super soldier with a hitscan pipe launcher

@@getaround1276 Yes the sentry gun will have more kills than the primary at moves times, but the point I'm trying to make is that an Engineer uses his shotgun a lot more than the Spy uses his revolver ideally.

@@getaround1276 It's also cheesy weapon to get assists with mini-sentry and then go on offensive.

@@getaround1276No if you’re bad or on a shit team the frontier justice is an “oh shit” weapon. Competent engies know when they’re safe to destroy and rebuild their gun to snowball into the enemy team.

I think the Diamondback is more analogous to Engi’s Frontier Justice

Isnt the tribalmans just objectively the worst option?

@TheMuffinman191 with minicrits it does more damage than stock. It's designed to be used alongside jarate, but... it's worse than the bushwacka at the same thing

@@FlishonyanKing Only if the bleed runs the whole 8 seconds, otherwise it does 50% less damage just straight up. Stock still out dps’s it minicrits or not simply because bleed is irrelevant.

This is because of irrational anti-spy bias. People hated being killed by spies, in any way, shape, or form... Because they knew that it's the worst class in the game, and they only have themselves to blame, if they get killed by a spy... Therein lies the source of this bias... Few people like having to blame themselves for their own failures in games... After all, adult children are the main demographic playing games like this... And they have fragile egos. So they btch and moan, cry and whine, for nerfs to the weakest class in the game... Especially for items with a high skill ceiling, like the ambassador... Because if the worst class in the game, kills you with SKILL, then their ego's are hurt even more, because an underdog just outclassed them in every way. :P They would rather be killed with a random crit, so they can make the excuse that dying wasn't their own fault and that the opponent isn't skilled, rather than get killed with a well-aimed shot to the head by a weakling. EDIT: Kinda similar deal with the Dead Ringer, people suddenly couldn't easily get rid of the weakest class in the game anymore, and since they feel ENTITLED to easy kills on the weakest class in the game, they call for nerfs to the only item that allowed spy the ability to survive attempting backstabs. :P Granted some of the nerfs were obviously warranted, but... reducing the damage from 99% down to 66% was not warranted, at all... That ruined the dead ringer, and honestly, it wouldn't have been so bad, if it wasn't for the fact that they buffed pyro's flamethrower, they quadroupled pyro's flamethrower hitboxes to make it impossible to skillfully evade in-between the hitboxes. Meaning even regular invis-watch spies are now thrice as cucked as they were before... : / And then ontop of that they added this dogsht wall-hack effect while you're dead, and a few seconds after you spawn, to make it even worse for spies, who already had it really bad. Spies can't catch a break, because of entitlement from low-skill fragile-ego, non-spy mains crying about the game... : /

That was literally me lmao. I was trying to complete my last Pyroland Contract 😅

Yeah ikr, must be like, really good at the game too or something

We're beautiful like Diamondbacks in the sky

Shine on, you crazy Diamondback

Twice as fast??? That would make this weapon unusable spy’s cloak would be too short. Why do you think the YER is so rarely picked.

Cuckold

You are a horrible person -A medic main

If you did that, it'd objectively just be a crutch for folks that can't hit headshots

Exactly what I'm saying

Stock can duel most classes pretty effectively what ? It being weaker than the other classes' primaries is INTENDED, it's meant as a last-resort when all other options are exhausted (you can't escape because the enemy is too close and noticed you ir your cloak is nowhere to be seen). Imagine if the sneaky baguette man who can appears anywhere on the map, be just as effective as a Scout in term of raw firepower. The Ambassador' 102 damage at close-range is a life savior when you meet an injured enemy around the corner below that health threshold, you can just one-tap them and continue on your little tomfooleries. L'Étranger loses on that last-resort strenght with increased cloak uptime, lowering the amount of time you'll be in those "last-resort" moments at the cost of them being much less possible to get out of them. The Diamondback is incredibly boring as it adds nothing to gameplay. The Enforcer on paper is pretty cool ; ignoring all defense buffs and dealing more damage while disguised, which encourages you to be an.... actual assassin ; betraying those who trusted in your disguise with a powered shot while they are caught off guard (hence the resistance bypass, they are not ready for it), too bad resistances are incredibly uncommon and the damage bonus being not very noticeable. Spy being weak in most situations is fine, imagine if a class could one-shot anyone regardless of their health from anywhere on the map, clearly, that would be complete aids to fight.

@@vivelespatat2670 Nah the Revolver straight up out dps’s shotguns at mid to close range, its far from a last resort, it honestly should be the first one.

i love dealing 102 damage from any range for backstabbing the gibus engineer

This. People are so used to killing spies by pressing m1 even when theyre not aware that theres a spy in front of them that the idea of the spy surviving (kunai) or even killing them (diamondback) is insane to them. These people should really use these weapons with the "rebalances" (complete nerf that makes the weapon unusable) and see how badly they do. Well, especially since they never play spy. Because its the worst class in the game. And they know it.

@@eurasian8492 the kunai is a feeder weapon that is inherently unfun to fight because it makes the spy you just noticed practically invincible as long as there is an unaware back in his way the diamondback is the same except he just shoots you

You can do this with the diamondback too I've done it I main spy

@@NotFine You can, but the diamondback is objectively worse at killing people until you get stabs or saps. There is a tradeoff

@@jjjjjjjjjjjjjjo there's a trade off but it's like trading an old cup for a pound of gold It's just not equal

Ambassdor is the only weapon in the entire game which has damage fall-off for crits that make it worthless.

Spy has to risk getting instantly sent back to spawn to even get the crits. Meanwhile Scouts will feed the Frontier Justice for free.

@@EinSilverRose Yes because teleporters don't exist, and because stab and sap doesn't exist, and because lone dispensers with no one guarding them don't exist, and because oblivious snipers don't exist, and most of all because clearly the engineer isn't losing his main method of damage in order to get those crits.

I think I read somewhere that when you have crits you become 90% less accurate. Not sure if that’s true tho

Same lol, I can't use the damn thing either because of crit anxiety

billions must stab

...vs guy who runs the stock revolver because he's not going for anything flashier than a job well done

Keep coping.

Because the Dr Kunai spies typically tend to favour the l'Etranger for it's ability to recover cloak meter for the Dead Ringer. If the DR was buffed to... once again, reduce damage by 99% so you can survive using it at low health to actually fake your death... The kunai would fall out of meta, and the Diamondback would replace, or become equal to, the l'Etranger in the meta... People would likely run DR, Big Earner (+30% cloak meter on backstab for the DR), and Diamondback, or as i like to call that meta "Dr. BigBack"! :3

Make it into a "double or nothing" type of item... Double the risk, double the reward, not a bad idea, honestly, but really i think they should just transfer some of the nerfs on the amby, to the diamondback instead... 'cus the amby needs a buff, as it's an item that rewards aiming skill, and the only appropriate nerf for that gun, is the lack of skill of it's user. 20% slower firing speed, and crit damage falloff? Makes no sense for the ambassador... But that does make sense for the diamondback as you don't need headshots to critically hit with it, so damage falloff, and slower firing speed makes sense for a gun that just needs to bodyshot! : /

I know, the stock sapper is ridiculous

The kunai and diamondback, am I missing anything else?

@@user-pj1ec5om5g Just those two, same amount of attention he's given to Sniper's busted weapons (though, one video less if you count his video on Sniper as a whole). Difference is though, mostly due to the bot crisis and people just plain cheating, Sniper *has* been tearing through lobbies

Remember, Spy is the weakest class in the game, except when its not, but even then it still is. Though it actually isnt. Yet it is.

Sniper main bias. Note everything he complains about directly counters sniper, he literally gets upset that other people get to shoot back. It's why he acts like spy is OP for dealing 102 damage on an earned crit but acts like quickscope headshots that do 150 in the blink of an eye are perfectly balanced.

YUCK! Nope! Leave it the way it is. Comp players are just too salty that crits are never going to be removed from the game! 😂

Kind of a terrible idea, lol.

It's actually the opposite. The diamondback is only good if you have stupid players on the enemy team.

@@Gimfigle496 yes that is true but if the spy can’t do crap then the diamond back won’t change the fact that the spy is useless (also I’m confused how thats the opposite)

@@Blazesoldier You seem to have inadvertently agreed with me. The diamondback against a smart team is worse than stock, but against a dumb team it's his best primary.

​@@Gimfigle496wow almost as if 90% of spies effectiveness as a whole depends on the incomptence of the enemy team

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 wow it's almost like that's my point, smartass!

Too op, are you a spy main? This is still just the same problem the smaller clip that balanced the frontier justice is that if you don't have crits it's a straight downgrade 3 less shots is huge but with this change it changes literally nothing since 102 dmg is enough to 2 shot 8 out of 9 classes

That was for Versus Saxton Hale

Nope, leave it the way it is.

Literally how

@@randomperson7350 Class does thing it already does and gets rewarded for it with guaranteed crits at the cost of overall DPS. His argument about having to blow up the sentry is wrong in multiple regards.

what if we made the diamondback a melee weapon guys, i think that would fix it

​@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413Yeah and 90% damage penalty.

Channels author is a filthy snipermain of course he hates the his own class counter which don't give him ability to instakill enemy team from another planet

What if instead of damage it applied slowdown? So if you are gonna use those nice criteria you have, you better choose wisely and not do it in the middle of a huge fight you can't get away from. It would follow the normal idea of spies revolver as some self defense option and pick for certain targets from safety, but not something you can use to brute force youreay through an enemy team and bhopal away

@@simonbray3857 or maybe some way of ‘deactivating’ crits for either debuff? That way, the spy can still use his revolver normally, albeit at -15% damage, but still can use his crits at a price?