TF2 - What's the Best Loadout for Spy? 

Funny how despite them nerfing the Ambassador because they didn’t want to make Spy into a Sniper, they didn’t nerf the Diamondback even though it’s a much easier version of the Ambassador, especially with the crits having no falloff damage

9:20 that's such a simple but effective way to compare stock weapons to unlocks (rather than the other way around), i'm surprised i haven't seen other people do this

Edit: WARNING THE AMBY IS ACTUALLY GOOD. COMMENTS TOLD ME SO. I lost all my really good Spy footage so I just have to use this instead 👀 What class shall I do next? :)

Always saw the diamond back as a straight upgrade to the revolver. You get free crits for just doing your job as spy.

Funny thing about the Diamond Back: it used to only give crits on sapping, like you mentioned. And when it was like that, it was considered really weak and situational because it required the enemy team to have an engineer with constructed buildings to be useful. The buff that added backstabs gaining crits is what pushed it over the edge. What's a good fix? No idea, personally.

Sorry, but i stand with what FishStick on a stick says. Just because the diamond back is a straight upgrade from stock, it doesn't mean the Amby is bad. Is a pick weapon, to shoot low health target out of nowhere, that compensate precise aiming from a short to middle distance. Is not bad, is just that the l'Etranger is more useful and the Diamond Back is broken.

I feel like the ambassador is still incredible It turns out a short range character has a short range weapon yet for some reason people exploded when they couldn't snipe anymore

13:38 wait a second its so cute, the engineer trying to save his sentry with the rescue ranger bolts

I don't think the amby is nearly that bad. I watched the video you linked and while the numbers on paper make it out to be terrible the ambassador shines in one very important situation: on demand burst damage at close range. Close range is where Spy is at his weakest. Unless you're some trickstabbing god most classes can kill Spy at close range pretty easily (especially true if random crits are enabled (trickstabbing isn't that effective of a tactic against good players)). Hitting that 102 is really strong, and you only need a quick bodyshot afterwards to kill light classes. And unlike the Diamondback there's no set up or resource to keep track of, there are times where getting those saps and stabs isn't easy which makes the DB dead weight. And if you miss your crit shot then that's just gone forever, now you're fighting for your life with a straight downgrade. Am I saying that the Diamond Back is trash or that the Ambassador is SSSS tier? No the DB is pretty strong and the amby isn't god tier. I'm just saying the amby's niche is a valuable one to help patch one of Spy's many weaknesses so it's probably a solid B tier.

I wouldn’t consider amby among the worst spy weapons (and no way it’s as bad as the enforcer or red tape). I would consider it on par with the cloak gun (I cannot spell it out) in that B range if tiering things, you are a pick class as spy… you do not care about consistent damage as much as burst your kill key targets and the amby does this for you. Yes you need to get good and headshot and you cannot be diet sniper but the range nerf isn’t as bad as people made it out to be, you are still doing considerable damage at midrange and can do excellent numbers at close range which is where you want to be anyway (just because you can’t meme with the amby anymore doesn’t mean it’s bad guys…)

Remember, the spycicle is basically stock at worst and god tier at best

I suggest buffing the YOR by making the backstabbed enemy turn into a spy corpse, to help tricking players that turn around and see a dead spy and a player on their team.

Fun Fact, and I discovered this a while ago but told nobody. The enforcer, believe it or not, doesn't require you to be fully disguised for the damage bonus. If you spam the previous disguise key 'b' by default, you do the extra damage on every shot as long as you repeatedly press it.

I mean, I think that personally all of the Spy's revolvers are good. Stock is the most reliable; The L'Etranger is best utilized as a tool for cloak management; The Diamondback is broken and weak after you run out of crits; The Enforcer doesn't actually have a damage penalty (only a slower firing speed and no random crits, but it can deal full damage against a Vaccinator Medic or Battalion's Backup Soldier); and The Ambassador can still deal considerable damage (depending on your aim) because the headshot crits are far more reliable than the Diamondback...because the Diamondback's crits you have to work for, whereas with the Amby you simply just have to aim.

I noticed with a lot of new players that try to pick up spy (so like all of them) they think new unlock automatically means better when in reality spy is arguably best when you don’t even touch his load out

I remember back in 2014 i thought you could save a teammate that got backstabbed by an icycle with the pyro lol

The ambassador is actually quite good and the vid linked doesn't really do it justice. 125 and 150hp = 2 shot (3 shot with revolver), also means butterknife + headshot will kill 175 hp = 3 shot with both 200 hp = 3 shot (4 shots with revolver) 300 hp = 5 for both Hitting the first headshot usually isn't too difficult and if you can do this it's an upgrade to stock. Also usually most classes are slightly damaged which usually pushes classes down a damage threshold meaning you get lots of 1 shots on people. Additionally most engagements as spy are within this range where the ambassador is most effective. The video ALSO didn't take into account reload time which would give the ambassador an edge as it gets more damage output per bullet than the normal revolver. If you are in an engagement with multiple people you are more likely to kill them in one clip with the ambassador rather than the revolver. TLDR: If you can land at least one headshot in an engagement ambassador is better at close range.

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7:06 golden pan: ... 9:44 Enthusiast's Timepiece: ...

I've found the l'etrangers damage penalty isn't as punishing as it seems. You can still 3 shot light classes so razorback snipers can still be taken down the same as stock.

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1:18 oh hey, it's me! Wait no, a spy!

the enforcer is meta in highlander I think because it ignores wrangler shield making it a really good sentry sniper

Personally I believe the Spyicicle to be a straight upgrade from stock, aslong as you're confident in your ability to use the gun, which you really should be, it really has no downside.

The Ambassador is a very good weapon. It ised to be S tier, but I think it's still at least low A tier.

My favorite loadout, for I kinda list interest in the backstabbing idea behind spy: Gunspy Strange Revolver with a clever name (Mine is Lucky Luke) Spy-cicle (Only for Medic drops or big targets like heavies, also for surivivability against Pyros) Sapper and Disguisekit (Duh) Dead Ringer (Survivability and Fooling)

I still dont understand how valve can let the amby down for 5 years

The YER is nice since it almost reverses spys shtick of "the class is harder to play the better your opponents are" because of all the mentioned perks and the fact that acting as the other team is made so much easier and more satisfying. In my opinion it's the coolest spy knife even if it's probably the worst

Cloak and Dagger has one hidden talent,Its that you could back into a few corners when the enemy chases you down.Knowing that they calmed down and you are still in the area,you could strike again without wasting your time.And people won't even realize that you have the cloak and dagger.

You didn't even consider the spycicle when its literally a direct upgrade from stock.

Cloak and dagger + Lestrange + best trolling loadout ever

the cloak and dagger is supreme. always invisible = super sneaky

I use Diamondback - Your Eternal Reward - Dead Ringer - Stock sapper. It almost always guarantees me 15 kills on my first life as spy, driving the people who I do target absolutely insane while everybody who I don't target is completely oblivious to my existence.

The Letranger, the Cloak and Dagger, and the spycicle. The best loadout for me!

9:49 the man behind your teleporter.. kekekk ngl I really like being usefull and upset some fat men

5:59 toofty:talking about big earner's benefits me:YO this scouts name is lit

your eternal reward, letrange, cloak dagger and Red tape recorder for the ultimate sneak set

I’m a diamondback-eternal reward-invis watch guy. Silent kills and automatic disguises help with chainstabs, and each stab in that chain adds a crit

No way is the enforcer in the same rank as the Ambassador

The diamond back The eternal reward The sapper The cloak and dagger

My personal loadout for Spy is Revolver, Dead-ringer and Spy-cicle. I play a much more front-line/team oriented Spy who aids in fights and picks off weakened targets and protects flanks from classes like Scout and Pyro. The stock Revolver does some serious damage if aimed correctly, and the Spy-cicle and Dead-ringer help with survivability against Pyros and otherwise stronger classes. I don't get tons of backstabs but when I do it's often on my way from the enemy's base back to my side of the base so I can keep up the front-line support.

Personally i actually really like the red tape recorder, most engies WILL destroy sappers, and in that situation youll make a bigger difference lowering the level of a sentry and forcing them to put 200 metal into it again rather than 20 to 100

I like the red tape because an engine can usually repeat sapper damage if they remove it fast. But losing a level on a sentry or a dispenser right before a push can really affect it.

I'd say that Spy doesn't really have a definitely best loadout, it just comes down to personal preference. Excluding the Enforcer and the Red-Tape Recorder, every single unlock has its fans and, especially between the 3 top knifes and the 4 top revolvers, it comes down to personal preference. Even between the watches, which is pretty one sided for stock, each one has its fans. That's part of the reason why Spy is so fun to play. (Diamondback, Sapper, Knife, C&D)

Also I think the Cloak and Dagger is the best watch personally, with the enforcer you can kind of play spy gun spy, hide in an area disguising and messing with your opponent but with the forcefully slower gunfight which you choose because you can hide and move anywhere, fun and satisfying

The ambassador is up in b tier. The diamondback is a dumber and better version of it, However, the ambassadors theoretically higher dps of the stock I’d say doesn’t matter all to much. Because in the end, spy isn’t nor capable of being a dps class, he is a pick class who wants to minimize the time they are noticeable, so having those meatier revolver shots to more often kill in one or at most two shots, instead of a 2,3 and at absolute most in actual gameplay 4. I’d say this makes it better for a lot of situations where you need a slightly safer pick. The Crit fall of in these situations where you are in flanks already isn’t much of a factor,. In these situations it can even outdo the the diamondback, or just equal because these are times where you couldn’t get a stab. In other words, while technically stock can output more damage, if you have half decent aim the ambassador expands what the spy can accomplish, and it’s weaknesses can be a small problem, but are less common for spy’s general role. Which I would say makes it up with the stack and letranje

“Worth his weight in croissants” Well, those are pastries are quite light and airy…

Stock revolver, spycicle, DR Gun spy, hell yeah

I think for a pro spy, (that's an important thing to mention, by the way) the best loadout would be Kunai, Stock Sapper, Dead Ringer, and Diamondback. The Kunai would help you get somewhat consistent health, along with Diamondback crits. Stock Sapper is better than the Red Tape because it's quicker-- more crits for the Diamondback. And the Kunai's less health would be cancelled out by the Dead Ringer allowing you to tank damage. Solid video, though.

As a guy who plays spy for 200h the best loadout is L'Etranger ,knife ,stock watch or clock&dagger

Spycicle , Diamond Back, Dead Ringer.

As someone who loves the big earner, you quote "95% of the time ur a worst spy" Ur telling me that 95% of ur spy gameplay is uncloaked in the open without a disguise? when ur disguised, u will have 120 effective health, so the only difference is now a huntsman can kill without headshot, only after u stab ur really at 100hp, and u have that speed boost now

the Ambassador isn't bad at all, a good spy with the Ambassador can still be really infuriating, I think that you should watch Fish on a stick's video on the Ambassador

My personal favorite most of the time is the Kunai + either the dead ringer or the cloak and dagger. If I use the cloak and dagger, I use the L'tranger, and if I use the dead ringer I usually use the stock pistol.

The good thing about the diamondback for me is its hidden attribute; you remember what you need to do as spy to help your team in order to get more damage with your gun

What if spy had a watch where you could pass through enemies, and fall damage increases your cloak, but the downside is you can't backstab until like 10 seconds after you decloak.

Cloak and dagger with red tape recorder Makes the engineers go mental trying to find me after i downgraded everything😂

The ambassador is good it deserved an a or b why c!?

The Diamondback is obv OP, it needs a tweak, like other weapons.

Actually its either The Cloak and Dagger or Inivis Watch(Dont use the dead ringer it drains too fast and youll need the L’Etranger if you want some cloak duration and also it has loud decloak)

6:42 Wow, talk about a stab, holy hell!

The best spy loadout is found on the class selection screen where you can pick better spy (aka sniper)

My preferred Spy loadout: none, because I don't ever play Spy 😈 I already have enough anxiety when I play and plus, there's usually already four spies anyway.

0:09 Looking foward to getting that loadout

When he goes over the 25 less hp on the big earner, he brings up down time... The kunai has that but worse

13:00 don't worry I am still watching.

Me and my boyfriend call the Cloak and Dagger the “Cloak and Do Nothing” but it’s even funnier as it’s my most uses watch

Kunai LE'tranger Sapper I don't use my gun much except for finishing off wounded targets and I find the extra cloak time on the LE'tranger to be very valuable when using a knife like the Kunai which require you to play more passively until you get your first stab. If you're familiar with maps and the ammo pack locations, you can essentially be cloaked the entire time and be able to pick spots while still having mobility. This of course for pubs, otherwise I think your default loadout is superior for more competitive play.

I personally enjoy using the Ambassador, since it forces me to be good with aiming. Helps me actually get better at the game.

The worst spy Load out is the enforcer Your eternal reward Cloak and dagger Red tape recorder

"amby is bad because it is not better than stock" moment, opinion can't be taken seriously

9:20 Technically speaking, it'd be +18% damage.

You should keep making these, they're great.

Enforcer bad they said : me gungning down wrangled sentry

My favorite loadout is The cloak and Dagger, Spycicle, and L'etranger. I personally like a more passive play style, and this suits it quite well.

how dare you rank the ambassador in the same tier as enforcer...directly to the shadow realm.

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The enforcer, dead ringer, your eternal reward, red tape recorder.

The enforcer can be quite useful for wrangled sentries if you can't get into the nest, and the slower fire speed is only a drawback in close range since it helps with the after shot accuracy penalty

I personally use amby stock and the duck wach, the amby can be useful when traversing the map and has technically more crits than the diamond back. Plus it feels way more fair

I remember when the enforcer the dead ringer and the spycicle were the best

i run stock with cloak and dagger personally. i've rarely ever tryharded but the few times i do that hasn't done me wrong

Its so funny, i only use the Spicicle because of the sound it makes when you stab and the fact players turn into ice statues

Man really calling the Ambassador bad. “Why would you want DPS as a pick class?” - FSOAS

6:23 I think that is not the chase for the Big Earner since its upside is, ya know... good. The sandman is not necessarily bad because of it's downside, but of it's useless upside that does almost nothing and doesn't even work how it's supposed to. Same story with the vita saw really. Also, I think in general for these kind of videos, you could play with the weapons you are discussing or, if you do that already, show them clips, cuz it kinda sounds like you just imagined yourself using the items (for example, even if the amby is not the best gun anymore, it still is a lot better than the enforcer (or even the Le' trongogöler or whatever, if you actually shoot stuff)) if there is no footage of it.

I think it’s hilarious how he never actually brings up the downside of the spycicle.

The one thing I do like about the Dead Ringer is that it forces the Spy to learn how to be stealthy without being invisible, whether that is choosing good routes to take to get behind the enemy, or acting as an enemy better.

Mine is stock revolver, dead ringer, and spy-cicle. Revolver to kill, spy-cicle to run from pyros, dead ringer is if spy-cicle didn't helped

6:40 are we not going to talk about this backstab

When I heard you say "Classes I actually play" I instantly knew the pile of salt I took before looking at the tier list was rightly a good call. Since when It came to it, I agreed with most of it except a few outliers such as: Amby C >>> A tier (Seriously you don't need bot like aim to headshot with this thing and it seriously just does slightly less damage than stock so my guy it legit just sounds like a skill issue, Even after the Nerf it's STILL really good just because now you actually need to use it in a situation where the range does not affect the damage at all aka Close-Mid Range and that's when revolvers should be used in the First place since their supposed to be a BACKUP after failing a backstab) Big Earner A >>> B Tier (to be fair it's a fun knife to use but it's upside sometimes just can't help with the downside of having 100 Max Health where you can get 1 shot by practically 70% of the weapons in the game and the kunai avoids this because it gives you Health instead of speed which massively helps with the 70 Max Health downside) Cloak and Dagger B >>> C (This watch's ability to subconsciously force an incredibly passive playstyle on anyone that uses it just isn't worth it in a fast passed game like TF2 where every few seconds can feel like ages, unless your trolling or you really just wanna pick out the *Exact Perfect* moment to kill one guy then cloak away this watch just isn't worth using) Dead Ringer B >>> A (I am aware that most Spies use this as a GOFJ Free Card or a Bomb Rushing tool but when you actually try and use your game sense to use it how it was intended the survivability it can grant you can seriously be amazing and would lead you to *actually fool players that they killed you* unless your using it constantly which then it becomes predictable but at least you can induce paranoia to whether or not your dead which is a great time to swap to stock for a bit to get more kills on them normally then swap back to the DR, and Don't forget it's Still a *Cloaking Device* aka even if you don't fool someone you can still pull off an exciting invisible escape like you can with stock) Diamond Back S >>> Broken (I honestly have no fucking clue why valve hasn't nerfed this yet but they nerfed the Skill Based variant instead just because everyone was using it, but this thing is literally the old Amby but without the Skill Part...) Rest of the Placements I agree with.

Wow, for once I see a fricken crazy good guy at spy who DOESN'T "facestab".

I think a single stat would make the Enforcer worth using and that would be "no random bullet deviation". Even if they took away the resistance piercing. So often I get screwed over by my bullet fucking off into a wall behind the enemy and having a revolver without that annoyance would be amazing.

I've found that on the Enforcer, it's actually pretty good if you get into the habit of ALWAYS being disguised, even mid-fight. Just press the B key, and in a few seconds you have an increased power bullet. Now, I don't play a lot of Spy, but I've also heard from other people that the Enforcer used this way isn't bad at all, far from C tier. But then again, I only have 350 Hours in TF2 anyway, what do I know lol.

8:03 is it just me or did this man grow a 3rd hand to reload, bro's unironically on that grustle grustle

I don't see how spycicle isn't just a straight upgrade. The periods of times where you can't stab because your knife is recharging are... instances where you'd be dead otherwise because it means it let you escape from a Pyro... and those periods are the only downside right?

The skirmisher spy loadout gives me the best "rogue from D&D" experience. Kunai, dead ringer, aimbassador and red tape recorder (yes battle engies are scary) The idea is to find situations where you can interact with people who are already in a fight to get a few kills before dying, essentially taking spy from a class that gets one pick to a class that can clear an area as long as he thinks before shooting.

Glad to see you back Toofty

I either run full stack, or stack with the cloak and dagger

Kunai, diamond back, d ringer. Next question

2:41 I love how he gets a guide on how to pronounce it only for it to pronounce it wrong. It's pronounce La Tranj