TFCC - Watch BEFORE you have surgery!!! 

Did it work and how severe was your tear?

Thanks for sharing this! We need more knowledge on how to get on top of this so people can find alternative ways to cope. Much appreciated mate!

How severe was your tear and did it work for you Richard? Can this work for a complete tear?

@@alitafullarmor5957 Hi Alita, My condition was not a complete tear. From what was explained to me the most important part of the treatment for a severe tear is to immobilize the wrist so that the two halves of the tear have time to find each other and reconnect. Unfortunately because I had no insurance at the time of my injury I didn't have an MRI of my wrist until almost 2 years later. I really don't know how sever the original tear was but what was determined by the MRI is that the tear was in a location closer to blood flow, that gave me a better chance of recovery than a more centralized tear. The hand therapist told me that their goal was to improve my wrist function while reducing my pain. Did that happen? Yes. However I only experienced a reduction in pain so long as I continued the therapy. When the therapy ended the pain started to come back and with that a reduction of my capabilities. Since my accident I have not been able to return to the level of function I once had in that wrist. To answer your question did it work for me...Not completely. Most medical professionals ignore the most important elements to healing. Eat diverse and balanced foods, get plenty of sleep, exercise daily, and reduce stress. In that order. The body will take care of the rest. Every medical professional ignored my shoulder. If you want to reduce stress to the wrist you have to strengthen the shoulder. Any weakness in the shoulder is compensated by the wrist. So my advise is to strengthen ever muscle in your neck and shoulder to give that hand and wrist as much assistance and support as possible. I wish you the best recovery. Kindly, -Richard

Now how's your pain now , please 🥺 help me I'm in pain from last 2 years , dull pain happens all the time.. doctor recommended me for surgery but i thinks it is slight pain ,can it be recovered itself or not? 😭

Any update? I’m seriously considering prp

@@wesleykasman6130 in NY, prp shots are $900.00 per shot! and my Dr. suggests getting 3 of them! I guess its better than getting cut.....

What is PT?

@@justinlima2892 Physio-Therapy

same shit...

I hope it doesn't have to come to surgery for you. If you do decide to take that path make sure you've got someone at home who can help you with your day to day until you're able again. Honestly I needed help with just about everything due to it being my dominant hand. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel.

Jada Dural I had one (I think left but can’t remember) wrist done Winter of 2016/17 and the other the following June. My injury’s origins are unknown however we suspect a previous broken arm/cheerleading (I also recall repeatedly popping my wrist in kindergarten/1st grade). I had physical therapy in 2013ish but it didn’t completely solve my problems. The surgery helped initially BUT I just recently have been having that similar pain again. I had completely forgotten what it’s felt like and I feel the pain coming back harsher and harsher. I’ve been working for the same fast food company for four years and perform repetitive motions for hours straight. I think part of my struggle is a result of that. I’ve already had two steroid shots so I’m not sure if that’s an option (but they definitely worked for a short period of time). In high school I wore a wrist brace and it worked really well I think I’ll have to pick up a pair of those.

How's it going now bro

Hey how do you got to know that your nerve was damaged??

Im curious who your surgeon was, Im 8 months past my original injury and although my wrist is much better, if I lift weights or row a boat it seems to get aggravated and Ill have dull pain for a few days. Im considering surgery at this point but wont have it done by any random doc

How is it

Im about to book an appointment for my surgery for a tfcc tear. I'm scared to get it now

Hii , How's it going on??

@@klam82 how was your surgery?

How is your journey after surgery

Do you have ulnar impaction? I have it on both wrists. Got surgery on right wrist and didn't help, took 2+ years after surgery before I could lift weights. Recently fell on my left wrist, same injury, although the tfcc damage doesn't appear as bad. I'm against surgery bc I think the damage that it did with immobilize my whole arm in a cast was more than the benefit

I went the conservative route and I would say I can do most things I want to do. Just have to be like an older person and think before I aggravate it. Carrying grocery bags in both hands is a NO

Hey there, yes you are correct. Even if your surgery is successful the reality is that no surgical procedure will return your wrist to a pre-injury state. I wish you luck with your repair and hope you find a way to recover without surgery.

@@emilioevenlighten2851 thank you,u2

how is ur wrist now

Thanks for the feedback NirmalRaj, I'm glad I was able to help.

How is your wrist now bro? Has it improved?

Is your wrist feeling better now?

hi, can u share more about your own treatment? especially about the shockwave, thanks

Hi, any update on your progress?

Keep going man , life is difficult but this painfull time will go one day

Rich Northrop did u make a full recovery? I just had the surgery last week.

B4 the surgery i was in a lot of pain and we tried everything to fix it(except a cortisone shot) and I didn’t get any relief. I had the surgery 8mo this ago now and I have never made a full recovery. I can do push-ups and punch a bag but I do live in constant pain with it. It’s not much pain but it does hurt. I do have pretty painful episodes like if I use my wrist a lot or weather patterns change rapidly. But even with that I highly recommend the surgery. (Also I am 16 and I do lacrosse and karate so depending on ur age u may not get the same results)

I understand, your surgeon will always see more inspecting it with an arthroscopy then the MRI but I'm all for avoiding the knife where possible. Just a personal choice.

Currently my symptoms have been more aggressive. It's largely due to my son being born and all that comes with taking care of a baby but the pain is manageable for the time being and I'm sure will revert back to normal once the anti inflammation meds do their job. I stopped doing push-ups in favour of using dumbbells as it gave me more control over both the weight as well as the position of my wrists during exercise which works better for me. Pullups are mostly cable machine now when I exercise for the same reasons.

That sounds like a frustrating situation mate. If you aren't comfortable with the answers your getting from your surgeon I'd recommend speaking to another one about your situation. But before you lock in any appointments with a new one, make sure they're clear that you intend for them to review your previous surgeons work and that they're comfortable in doing so. I booked a follow-up appointment with another surgeon after my first one let me down. He took the appointment which I waited several months for but on the day of the appointment he refused to comment on the quality of the work of the first surgeon because they knew each other. So make yourself clear what you expect before booking if you go that way. Good luck mate. All the best

Hi Cora, thank you for your comment! I'm new to this so any feedback regarding the overall quality helps me develop so thanks again. My injections at present are Human Growth Hormone Injections. I've opted for this treatment to help increase my bodies production of collagen which will hopefully repair the damaged cartilage. I am three vials into my treatment out of five and I haven't noticed any changes yet but am hoping this will change in time. The doctor who prescribed me the HGH, advised it could take 3-6 months before any significant changes appear.

I believe that surgery 'can' fix the issue but the surgeon who performed my surgery simply didn't give it his absolute best. I had two surgeries on the same wrist within 6 days of each other because of complications with the first. I'm happy to hear you've had success with yours but my scans and my symptoms have unfortunately taken my experience down the opposite path.

@@emilioevenlighten2851 Yeah i guess my surgeon was really a good one! Damn I am so sorry to hear that. I can really imagine how frustrating it has to be! I hope you are getting better one day! All the best!

where did u get ur oppression from emillio as in like country?

Emil Neuhauser hi. May I know the name of your surgeon and which hospital? Thanks!

Hello Emil, who was your surgeon and where does he reside?

Ok, that's interesting. I think I'll start asking that question to others in similar situations as yourself. I wonder if there is a practice of using an x-ray in place of an MRI based on the level of cover? I did more research and it appears that using an x-ray is common practice because of its lower cost. However it's still clear that it will not determine any physical damage to the cartilage. Below is some info I copied from another site: (Radiological Assessment The two main radiological exams to assess the TFCC are X-rays and MRIs. Though x-rays do not show soft tissues, they provide insight into the position and alignment of bony structures within joints. This enables them to provide a lower cost way of assessing whether a TFCC dysfunction or tear may be present. When using X-rays to assess for potential TFCC pathology, ulnar variance is calculated. Positive ulnar variance correlates with TFCC tears, though you cannot be 100% certain with an X-ray alone, since you cannot visualize the soft tissues themselves [7]. Unlike X-rays, an MRI shows soft tissue structures, allowing assessing physicians to visualize the structures of the TFCC to determine whether or not a tear or lesion is present. Studies show that MRIs can have an 86% sensitivity for detecting TFCC tears or lesions [6]. Once it is determined that a TFCC lesion or tear is present, the surgeon will decide whether or not to pursue surgical repair or to try a conservative, non-operative, treatment plan. The treatment option that is selected impacts the rehabilitation clinician’s approach to treating patients with a TFCC injury or tear. In part 2, we’ll review treatment methods and protocols for both conservative and post-surgical rehabilitation of patients with TFCC injuries and lesions.) This information is inline with what I was told when I first went through my treatment and then surgery. My surgeon (even the new one) has never sent me for an x-ray as it does not illustrate specifics, only possibilities. But in any case I think if it's affordable, the MRI will tell you more. Hope this helps in some way.

That’s not Obamacare. Obamacare is costly and not many doctors accept it.

Hi, how is your wrist now?

How is your wrist now buddy?

I'm much better now to be honest. I wouldn't say my injury has completely recovered as if I push it I can easily aggravate again but I think I've learnt how to live with it more than anything. I'm certainly nowhere near in as much pain as the first few years post surgery. I started using a grip strengthening device which I believe played a huge part in protecting the cartilage by enhancing the surrounding muscle.

Have you tried bpc 157 or tb 500

Hi. I'd like to start saying my english is not good. I'm not native, I'm brazilian, so ignore it. Was ur pain a very bad one at first? My pain was NOT very bad at first, just a little disconfort on the right wrist and a ''medium to big'' disconfort on the left one. It has passed 1 week and a half from the injury and the pain is almost gone in the right one (only when I do some "ulnar" movements or try to lift heavy on bicep curls) and just a little disconfort on the left one. So, do u think it'll heal naturally?

@@SteveFoi um. It has been injured for over 2 years. They said it it healed on it's own the longest it would take is 6 months. But yes the pain was very high but either it has gone down or my pain tolerance went up cause now it hurts still but slightly less than when I first had the injury

Hey bro how did the bpc 157 go I’m currently like 20 days in possible improvements I’ve got but now just started to be more aggressive with it I’m im injecting it literally near the wrist instead of stomach fat

Hi Jocelyn, that’s a tough question to answer objectively. On one hand I had the surgery thinking specialised surgeons would have the skill and resources to make having surgery worthwhile. On the other hand my experience was horrible. I never wanted to share my experiences to sway others from their own journey, I merely wanted to bring awareness to the possibilities as the path ahead is not always as straight forwards as some surgeons might have you believe. If my surgery had gone well I would still be sharing my experience objectively and not with the intent on swaying the opinions of others. Some people’s conditions are far worse than mine and so for them it’s a matter of “when” to go under the knife and not “if”

Looking forward to reading your results DJ!

Hey mate did BPC-157 work for you?

@@tuncayyavuzcan it's changing, the joint isn't as prominent anymore. I've had to change the plan a bit. It will most likely take 4 months of using a munester splint

All the best with your surgery! I hope all goes to plan and would love to hear from you post-surgery to see how you went.

Emilio Evenlighten thanks! i’ll let you know!

let me now 2 :)

Nout Bodyn i just got out of my cast and it’s great so far. movement for me is coming back easily due to my hyper mobility and i don’t have any pain unless i twist my wrist a weird way or apply too much pressure to the incision from where they moved my nerves. the scars are small. two dots on the top and one small slit on the pinky side.

@@ellen4583 hey I am happy for you !! Could you tell me what kind of Tear in the TFCC you had? I have a partial tear 1b palmar, whatever that means haha. Also WHAT WERE YOUR SYMPTOMS LIKE ??

Hey mate, sorry to hear you're dealing with this injury too. As you've no doubt experienced and have mentioned yourself, its a real pain in the...wrist. I hope you're able to get better without having to go under the knife as it would save you a lot of pain and time-off afterwards. Just out of curiosity, you mentioned you were having an injection to try and help with your recovery. Is that a cortisone injection?

Wow, that sounds horrible mate. Sorry to hear that. I'm looking into peptides at the moment. Going to try and heal using them but its proving difficult to source hear in Australia. I'll update with results when I have something of value to share. I hope things get better for us both mate.

Hey Akhil, thanks for watching and for your positive feedback brother! Much appreciated. That sounds right regarding the possibility of Arthritis and that is why I'm having my follow-up surgery. I am concerned of the very same thing and I don't want my symptoms to get worse later on. I think it's a good idea for everyone to start increasing their intake of collagen as it is a key contributor to cartilage regeneration. You can get it in powder form and just add it to your water or beverages to consume it. Depending on how far gone your injuries are it may help prevent further degeneration or even (hopefully) begin to reverse it. Good luck man.

Update????

Akhil Tewari update???

Update?

@@TheKwadwo14 sorry brother for not being able to respond as your notifications got mixed up with other insignificant recommendations of RU-vid and I was not able to see it but today while going through my profile activity I saw all of your request for update. Since it’s been an year I hope you have recovered well and enjoying your life. Now coming back to my tfcc status let me share my full story from where I left 2 yrs ago. It will be a bit long so kindly bear. My first tear happened in 2018 and after getting MRI done I went to several physicians they all told me to undergo surgery after all conventional therapies were over with no improvement in condition as I have mentioned above. Later I went to a very renowned physician he gave me expensive cortisone injections and told me to not undergo surgery right away as surgery is invasive, painful and recovery is long and not always 100 percent in case of wrist soft tissues as they are small and asked me to wait until tissue heals itself(though didn’t tell me exactly for how long). Cortisone shots were very effective and my pain subsided within 2 weeks and 1 month later went again to gym and started lifting. Everything seemed okay except I felt a little weak in my left wrist. Suddenly few days later I started feeling pain which got worse and I knew tear has again aggravated. I went to same doctor and again he gave me cortisone shots but this time pain didn’t went away fully. I lost hope of hitting gym ever and lamented for not waiting to able ligament to heal. I went again for therapies but everything was ineffective. So this time I knew I had to wait. I waited for long 3 - 4 months and condition was as it is. I changed my physician again and went to a government hospital. Now just to inform in India government hospitals are very cheap and the physicians have fixed salaries irrespective of the money they make for the hospitals. To be precise physicians don’t have any targets and they will tell you treatment without any motive to earn money. I showed my all past treatment copies to my new physician, he studied them diligently and told me to undergo a laser therapy for my wrist and no medications. He asked me to wait for atleast an year and start some other activity which helps me keep my mind off my wrist. I was distressed but this time I followed his advice. I started playing badminton from 2019 mid and forgot that I ever had injury. Since badminton involved just my right hand my healing has been good and as of today 31st dec 2020 my tfcc tear has completely healed and I am ready to hit gym again once pandemic aftereffects are reduced substantially. So if you are someone who has got tfcc tear my only advice from my experiences is be patient and just take your mind off from the injury. I have seen people who have been affected with tfcc for years because of being impatient. Surgery can also be considered but it is painful and expensive. If you are a fitness freak I know how tempting it would be to continue with your normal routine despite having tfcc but it will only delay the recovery. At last I would just say that please don’t consider my words above as any professional advice because it’s just my personal experience and I believe it could be helpful to you to make right decisions for your well being.

Good luck mate! I hope all goes well for you.

@@emilioevenlighten2851 any update from this?

Hi there, Apologies for late reply. For me personally when I took the splint off after 6 weeks my wrist felt as though they had fused the bone. People relate to this like a psychological splint. Depending on how strict you are on your post surgery stretches you may gain that mobility back by week 8. I personally wouldn't do the other wrist straight after just to be sure your first operation was a success first and hasn't come with complications like mine did.

Sorry to hear that mate. Feel like sharing your experience? The more we all know the better. I hope your situation improves mate. Fingers crossed for us all.

@@emilioevenlighten2851 sure I would love to share my experience, sorry it took so long. Initially after the surgery, due to the surgery you're going to experience a lot of pain for the first few days which I did. After that most of my pain was due to the same discomfort you described in your video, for example; with the splint that I had on the first week or two my elbow began to get really sore because there's no padding or the padding is just not enough, so you're going to get some friction and pain, also at the surgical site along the tfcc side of the wrist due to your cast or splint putting constant pressure on the area you will experience pain and discomfort. Whenever this pain and discomfort became too intractable I simply went back and had the splint rewrapped. For my pain I was given hydrocodone 5 mg and was allowed to double up on doses but in the beginning it didn't seem to help much, a couple of painful sleepless nights I had to deal with. So far I'm about 3 weeks in with maybe 3 weeks left in a cast a good portion of the surgical pain if not all that pain is gone it's just the discomfort now from wearing the splint/cast. I've had my cast on for a few days now and already I feel the need to go back and have my cast redone with more padding those areas just continue to be a nuisance. My injury occurred at work so it was a workman's comp affair which took 4 months to get a proper diagnosis. They wanted to stop at x-ray which showed nothing, I had to push and push until I got the care I needed which again took 4 months and in the meantime it tried to repair itself several times and not knowing what was going on and continuing to use the hand I ruptured it several times so had to deal with that pain for months before the surgery and now the surgery itself. Anyone out there who may have gotten this injury at work don't give up until you get what you deserve.

Situation on my end hasn't improved unfortunately. The only thing I haven't tried yet are stem cell injections. That's mainly because they are really expensive. I'm doing some research into trying to get sponsored for treatment. The idea is to document my procedures and determine if stem cell therapy can help cartilage regeneration and how much it costs to get the job done. If I can't get sponsored though I may end up seeing if a kickstarter or gofundme campaign might achieve some success.

Now how's your pain now , please 🥺 help me I'm in pain from last 2 years , dull pain happens all the time.. doctor recommended me for surgery but i thinks it is slight pain ,can it be recovered itself or not? 😭

Pain for me is bearable for the most part. I wear a wrist splint all of the time now to avoid aggravating it. Still on the hunt for a solution but Western Australia is a little backwards in the medical field unfortunately so finding access to some of these experimental supplements is challenging.

What did you?! I have the same issue .. and my surgery is in few days ..

@@doris0713 I have delayed my surgery indefinitely. I wear a ‘switch’ which supports my wrist 24x7 and I have a wrist support device on my desk which cradles my arm. I can function perfectly with these supports in place and I will delay my surgery for as long as I can. I’ve started to use red light therapy on my wrist but I don’t think it’s helping and if anything it’s a bit more tender after use. So really the only things I can’t do are push-ups and other weight baring activities but I can lift weights with only minimal discomfort

injections may work but ONLY if you totally immobilize your wrist in a splint for 3 months or sth. like that. I've met people which were able to heal their TFCC with this but you really need to immoblize the wrist for the TFCC to heal.

How is it going?

Did u recover It?

Hi there, thanks for supporting the channel. I'm surprised you weren't sent for an MRI prior to surgery. X-ray can't determine damage to the TFCC. The important thing now is what you do moving forward. While it's in the splint do your best not to move your wrist. I understand it was not repaired so did the surgeon provide you with notes of what he did do? If your tear is unrepairable, follow the process for post surgery recovery now and look at putting moneyvaside and getting a second opinion from a different surgeon if possible. I myself have to have what will be my third operation soon but I chose this time to see a different surgeon in hopes of having a different outcome. Can I ask what state and country you had your operation in?

Any updates Si ? I'm going in for OP tomorrow. Exact same reason as you.

How is your wrist now?? Go for tfcc reconstruction then.

Hi Si, I realize your post is three years old but wonder how your healing results were? I have TFCC injury and an upcoming surgery. My dr. finally ordered an MRI after failed rehabilitation occupational therapy. I wonder why you never had an Mri? I hope your ok now.

@@dtanberg1266 This is the 3rd time I've tried to reply to you but they never appear on the thread.

Thanks Mike. Sorry to hear that. I can certainly appreciate your situation. I used to fly my niece around in stretched out arms like an aeroplane. Now when she asks me to fly I have to tell her I can't anymore. Can I ask what sort of stem cell treatment you received and from where? I'm curious about it myself and have been wanting to talk to real people who have tried it.

Hi Victor, thank you for your question! I have been wracking my brain to figure out whether or not there was more I could be offering and your question has made me realise there is. I plan on making a new video to showcase how I've adapted to the injury and how I do things just like putting luggage up to a cabinet. So stay tuned and I'll showcase how I do this in the video as it will be far better than any written answer I can provide. Thanks again for the question!

Victor How is it going? Did u recover It?

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@@fabriciosilva8946 Not 100%, but enough for a normal life

Thanks for the support, David! I unfortunately was never given those details my friend so I cant say on the length. I am due for a new assessment on the 11th of Jan where it's likely I'll be booked in for an arthroscopy to see where we go from there. Basically if the new surgeon finds something he can fix, he will. If not, they sew me back up and its the rest of my life as usual. But I'll be sure to keep this channel up to date with my progress and I've just finished my course of HGH so I'll be doing a video to share the results of that too.

@@emilioevenlighten2851 Emilio just to let you know when you get MRI or x-ray you should have your hand in a neutral position to get an accurate ulnar length reading supinated grip to pronated grip is approximately 1 mm difference so neutral to pronate would be approximately half a millimeter also you can check into Prolotherapy and plasma Rich therapy that is used instead of surgery to speed up the healing in the area check that out dude thanks also those were shots I was talking about and also didn't know if you knew this gripping your hand increases the ulnar bone length which is not good pronated increases it and then doing an ulnar deviation is not good also you probably know that one take care

@@davidclark6172 thank you for the information I really appreciate that! I had looked into PRP injections for my injury but everytime I visited someone here in Perth who administered those injections, they assured me I would not receive results. That's what ultimately led me to jump towards HGH instead. Have you tried PRP?

@@emilioevenlighten2851 I tried Prolotherapy or plasma Rich therapy it's been so long I can't remember on my sciatica and he hit me in about five different spots and it healed it instantly perfect but I can't say on any other body parts I think you're making the right move going with HGH I take some sublingual homeopathic HGH does help probably not as strong as what you're taking but better than nothing my wrist is getting better I wore a wrist widget don't know if you have heard of itI think the wrist widget helped me and I do Dynamic tension exercises forarm against forearm without my hands and I get some muscle development so that's working and then I put a strap that the girls put around their ankles at the gym to work their butts and their thighs I put that around my forearm to work my triceps no more weights in my hands it's working pretty good now I only wear the wrist widget when I'm think I'm going to lift something slightly heavy try to stay away from heavyweights and and it helps but I no longer have to wear it all the time I also try to pay attention to my angles I always try to keep my hands in a neutral position not pronated and I do not do ulnar deviation

also I have infrared light it's called light relief infrared light definitely takes the pain away like it kills the free radicals or something I don't know you could try that it does speed some healing up. I'm also taking bromelain I'm 7 weeks out from my injury and it's supposedly eats Scar Tissue you still could have some scar tissue in another area that's not around that nerve you're talking about so it might not be a bad idea to take it you take it on an empty stomach and it's a protein enzyme that supposedly eats away the scar tissue any more questions feel free to contact me one final point you should also be taking glucosamine and chondroitin for your meniscus the homologue in your wrist also it's a good idea to take vitamin C and citrus bioflavonoids for Speed the collagen production up for your meniscus and also silica helps with collagen production also

Reply please

With a full tear you'd be wanting to consider surgery but first having a surgeon you feel confident in buy asking what they believe they could do to help you if you had surgery? They should be able to explain what steps they might take to repair the damage. My first surgeon was vague, didn't really explain and just said he'd fix whatever has could. I know now that type of answer was a red flag. Especially if it interferes with your career you may want to consider surgical intervention. Just bare inn mind that like me, it could get worse from it as well.

@@emilioevenlighten2851 thank you I will make sure I ask questions. You are very helpful. Thank you for your video

@@stephaniepage3661 I'm happy you were able to get something out of this. Thank you for watching and for supporting the channel. All the best.

Any updates? I'm also a self employed massage therapist. Same problem

I had the op 4 years ago. It has been fine up until last week. Never thought it would go again.

I’m sorry to hear your story. How’s your TFCC doing now? Is it gradually getting better?

@@dietherfiguerres5622 I have the same question

How are you now?

How did you heal man? Please share

Yah bro , just like me ,I don't listen to doctors what they are saying i simply do my own research and repaired them myself eg. Shin split, disc slip, de qurvain tendonitis etc.. now I'm my own doctor. About my TFCC I do gym for first 2 months and continue the pain go away automatically but it little instability, but I think sinpli recovery itsef

What have you tried so far?

@@emilioevenlighten2851 hi, I've done 6 months of physical therapy.. on a torn tendon and a partial tear of my central ligament.. and cysts, I had 2 cortisone shots in the last 3 months and pain still there, there's a crack in the wrist every time I intend a full rotation, the tearin in the middle of the wrist is very constant and aggresive.. Surgeon recomend to have a surgery to repair the tendon and a arthroscopy to repair the affected area. May I ask for your opinion.. I thank you in advance!

How r u now?recovered??