Thanos Was Wrong - Eugenics and Overpopulation | Renegade Cut 

I want this on a T-shirt.

@@johannageisel5390 i second this motion! please someone get on it!

Had to unlike to keep it at 169, but yes

He could have made the universe more bountiful yes, therefore producing more products to feed the masses

My headcannon for Thanos is that he really just wanted to kill people, but he masked it with some BS "noble" intention.

This is my main problem with Infinity War. Thanos is framed as having a point because no one comes up with a counterargument

@@Chronicpatchkids well its hard to argue with a 8 feet tall alien ,who had murdered a lot of planets ...

Just such a badly written character.

@@xw591 mediocre at best I say

Perhaps its cause they, as thanos, are also so entrapped within the systems of capitalism, that they cant imagine a world without it either. And so they, as thanos, cannot identify the core problem.

Also they were subjected to draconian work for food programs, where they weren't even given enough food and were force to work long hours in terrible conditions.

Also Turks were about to send £10,000, but the queen donated £2,000 and wanted ottoman sultan to donate £1,000. Later, the sultan sent a bigger aid with ships secretly.

The Choctaw nation too gave aid to Ireland! Despite having recently survived the Trail of Tears and dealing with their own oppression. That is what solidarity looks like.

o.o

The surplus of good arguments could keep breadtube in contentand video essays for a full year.

thanks for sharing this video peter! always love finding a RU-vid leftist to binge

We should donate the surplus to centrists so they can learn the actual economic issues they face, while remaining willingly blind to solutions.

are you using your comment to direct people's eyes to the spectacle of comic book movies so they understand how Malthusianism is bad?

It's a distribution problem. The good arguments aren't getting through to the people who need to hear them.

He's not called "The Mad Titan" in the MCU, it doesn't apply to that interpretation of him.

@@gregorioguerrero1124 Nooo...in GOTG Vol 1 specifically called him "the Mad Titan" while Gamora was being booked on Xandar.

Gregorio Guerrero well he was called an madman on his home planet

The fact he is called the Mad Titan doesn't change the fact that the plot and the narrative of the movies frames his choice as ultimately necessary and that the heroes couldn't see the big picture.

@@ANTSEMUT1 it’s even more annoying when you see pseudo-intellectuals say things like “i understand his point of view” or “he’s charismatic”.

Yes! I saw that video.

A private jet doesn't do that much polution compared to The rest. A billionaire could do more good then bad if he goes there.

@@poutineausyropderable7108 Billionares are the reason we are in this mess in the first place. They would do more good hanging on rope than breathing our air.

@@poutineausyropderable7108 Sir, Ma'am or whomstever you are, the numbers are available. In 2022, the average celebrity produced about 3.3 kilo-tonne of equivalent CO2 polution just through their use of private jets, *just* the jets. To put that in perspective, according to pawprint, the average yearly production of a regular person from *everything* they do is 7 tonnes of equivalent CO2. Also long-distance conferences have been a thing since at least the radio was invented.

True!

RaymondtheA.I. That’s the diamond industry basically

hexatentacle at least they’re doing their part.

Yeah Thanos is a moron. Honestly even if he's right about overpopulation, his solution is stupid and short-sighted. The world's population used to be half of what it was, and it will replenish over time. He's just buying 100 or so years.

Same here bro. Im sick and tried about that argument.

Overpopulation should NEVER be a reason to kill off or regulate births. The American west is absolutely huge, and yet the federal government won’t let that many people live there. All eugenics and overpopulation agendas are government created.

We're not the only species on the planet.

@@tabularasa0606 Your right. Were going to need to start taking care of our fellow living beings on this planet so that we don't kill them with our reckless use of fossil fuels, hunting to extinction, and introduction of invasive species.

Yeah, dumpster divers can be fined for grabbing food that is just going to landfills. The food is ripe or still in good shape but grocery stores and restaurant must throw unsold foods away.

It’s not just that distribution of excess food is more expensive than destroying it- it’s that giving away excess will lower the value of what they do sell. It’s why they don’t just throw it away, they pour bleach on it first, or lock the dumpster- they have to make sure that no one can benefit from their excess, because they don’t want their product to lose value. Which is even more selfish and greedy. Also, in regards to the cost of distribution, there are charities that will go and pick up the excess- it costs no more than throwing it out. But... there’s a reason why so few companies take up the offer.

Sounds so familiar to something Aldous Huxley said, once upon a time.

@@MyssBlewm It's not even just the dumpsters. The stuff that's kept lying around in orchards or on fields because of "aesthetic" reasons is staggering as well

Even worse when you realize that food production is one of the biggest causes of climate change. Capitalist farmers & landowners just do what makes the most money rather than what benefits the most the people. So cows are literally farting our future away.

Right? A huge chunk of Canada's population lives in like, 5 cities.

Wyoming doesn't even exist

All you have to do is fly and see how vast and empty this earth is.

It kills me how so many people are recognizing there are problems with today's living situations but are taking the wrong lesson that overpopulation is this issue.

We'll actually need to re-wild half the planet (if we want to avoid biosphere collapse), so I'd not use that line of thought to prove Thanos wrong. There are many others one could use to do that.

i mean, look at who the most famous avengers who are framed as the "leaders" of the group are. 1. tony stark, billionaire capitalist. 2. steve rogers, america incarnate

Defenders of the status quo

o.o

The easiest and most universal argument against Thanos' mission is the ecological one.

Fucking mat pat.

Yeah plenty of people are like yeah the ends justify the means, even though it ultimately doesn't change shit.

The story is so harsh,that I can hardly believe it.But I believe this happened,and it happens everyday

Same sort of story. Worked part time at a movie theater in high school. We were throwing out hotdogs and asked if I could eat one. Manager said only if I pay for it. I wish I’d seen the light then.

That is why after apocalypse Hell is the only afterlife possible.

Kinda how we can imagine a cyberpunk future better than a solarpunk one.

Maybe it’s because the books and films depicting the apocalypse won’t be banned and no one would go to prison under suspicion of being “Anti-American”.

You might, actually. Never thought of it myself but it fits. Worth noting: Rand started off her life from a place of privilege and spent the rest of her life justifying why she deserved to have it back. Can't help but think that Thanos was similarly privileged in the beginning.

To be fair to Thanos here: I doubt that Rand would have stopped at half the universe

@Liz Lee yes. As a result of these harsh agriculture corporations, the suicide rate amongst chicken farmers and farmers in general is staggering and should be considered a national emergency.

The sad part is that as this video also mentioned, capitalist realism means that even if there were 4x the resources, it doesn't mean anyone would use them well enough to aid the increased population. That is the real problem that Thanos would still refuse to address.

Well, if you watch the video, you will see that we actually do have enough resources, but that's not the problem either.

Fanatics like him never have that kind of imagination.

The other questions are really good, but also… You would destroy the universe by just making it one quadruple heavier. Also, it seems like the reality stone can only change the reality at the place, where he is? See knowhere, where Mantis and Drax are put together, the moment the stone leaves.

No. Once Thanos had all the stones, he could do anything and anywhere. That is how he was able to snap his fingers and wipe out half the population -- not only where he is -- but across the entire universe. His proximity was irrelevant once he had all six.

This is just a silly memey way too put it (I tend to lean left lately). The left takes the grill, the right takes the peace.

Found one!

white people

We have some in Queensland, Australia. Not only is it a good source of energy, it’s created long term stable jobs in a rural community. Considering the regional flight issue Australia has (95% of the population lives on a very thin strip of the coast), it’s a massive benefit in more ways than one. Solar farms out in the Bush would also provide the same long term jobs. The crazy thing is that for all our conservative government goes on about “Jobs and Growth”, there’s actually more jobs in renewables. But then they wouldn’t get massive donations from Gina Rinehart- who is most well known for complaining that Aussies won’t work for $2 a day, and for driving Aboriginal people off their land so she can mine it. And now it looks like the world’s largest coal mine is going to go ahead in Queensland- owned by a very dodgy Indian company (they have an awful reputation, for environmental disasters and proven fraud). So they’ll be getting a royalties holiday and all the free water they could want (why not pay the dodgy company to mine our resources! That’s a great idea!). Oh, and the mine is right next to the Great Barrier Reef, with the port on the reef (they’ve already had coal leak into the surrounding water there), and the ships carrying coal will be travelling directly through the reef. Apparently it’s all worth it for the 1400 jobs it will create- but some are for the start up only, and most will be office workers in Brisbane. It’s going to be mostly automated, and they’ll bring in their own workers as much as possible. I’ll just note that the reef supports 70,000 jobs. Up against maybe a couple of hundred local jobs. It only makes sense when you consider political donations. Our politics are completely cooked.

I was under the impression that Geothermal only works in certain areas of the planet.

In northern California we apparently have the 'world's largest geothermal field' in the geysers region of Napa, Lake, & Mendocino counties. It powers 60% of coastal California north of the Golden Gate.

@@herbertpocket8855 anywhere near a fault line can use geothermal.

Maybe everybody else was waiting for you to develop it. That is, if you don't have anything better to do.

That's how fanatics with their "final solutions" always think. One big move like that and BOOM, problem solved.

@@johnathonhaney8291 We live in a time where people wants solution that can fit under 240 characters.

@@POLE7645 No, pal, simple solutions, in all times and eras, have ALWAYS been attractive. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to do some serious reading up on history beyond the pop culture understanding of same. The stuff that actually worked in the long run always started with the rejection of the notion that there was ever an easy out for the actual problem.

I am still wondering whether artificial life forms are considered "alive" or not. Would Vision have been affected by the snap if he had not been killed before it?

​@@johannageisel5390Its explained in the Eternals movie that Eternals and Deviants didn't get wiped out by the snap because they are artifical beings. So yes, artifical beings like Vision all though appearing alive would not be affected by the snap because at the end of the day, they are man-made. The Eternals had emotions and even started relationships with each other and Humans, with some even having families. But at the end of the day its just programming to help them blend in and not act weird.

I still burn over my experience of falling into barely functional poverty in the early part of this decade and hearing people like me called "takers".

More common to kick the cup intentionally then taunt their victim.

It was awful. What was with that suited guy. I would report him to his company if I could, given them an image problem.

@@thomasw4422old comment but this is very obviously stock footage involving actors. doesn't take away from the point though.

Well, if it makes you feel better, they were both actors. Not that that doesn't happen in real life, though.

Are you referring to the oversized tabloid by Paul Dini and Alex Ross, Peace On Earth? That one certainly tackled that question in spades.

YESSS Loved the intro!

Yep, meat production is very bad for the species and the planet. We use farmland to make food that we then feed to animals that are on lands that could potentially be farmland and then slaughter those CO2 producing animals. In the future we're going to lose arable lands to climate change. We have to cut down our use of livestock to make up for that loss of arable land to maintain our level of food production. We can still produce the overall amount of food we produce, it's just that a lower percentage of it will be meat.

If we distributed the food more efficiently instead of destroying so much of it, we could produce less which also includes keeping fewer animals which again require less food and arable land themselves. Instant win!

Gunwanti Ramchandani half of infinity is still infinity. That’s how infinity works.

@@HollowLily Still infinity, but a smaller infinity. Less living things in every part of that infinite space.

You were a smart kid. But then some kids have a knack for recognizing bullies, no matter what form they take.

@@CrowTR0bot I have a feeling it's probably the 2003 version, the version I'm most familiar with, because it was darker.

@@CrowTR0bot Definitely 2003.

You seriously deserve a standing ovation for this comment, gurl.

It's important to understand the numbers here before automatically jumping into believing that this is an automatic threat to nature. There is a reason he used Wyoming as an example, as the US has some ridiculously low population density. France has 309 people per square mile. UK has 727. Even China, as large as it is, has 397 people per square mile. The US has only *94* people per square mile.

it doesn't matter. the billionaires have already decided it is

One of the defenses of capitalsm I've seen is that it's efficient. It's not. It's really not.

I hope they confront him about this fact in End Game too.

Rocket raccoon:"Thanos you killed half the world's population and pey are still hungry" Thanos: "the real issue is that people aren't cleaning there rooms"

If endgame doesn’t end with the avengers becoming eco conscious and using their powers and technology for the betterment of the entire planet, I am gonna be sad.

So, yeah, instead of that we got f a t t h o r

Aaaannnnd they didn't. Because they can't think of alternatives. Because they think he's right. They think his method is wrong, but his underlying assumption is right.

Retro Future MAKE 👏 THANOS 👏 READ 👏 KAPITAL 👏

and this is why they spend so much time and energy brainwashing as many of the 99% that capitalism is the best option.

Shhh 🤫 keep that on the down low 😉

Gamora tells him he's crazy

Michael Slack It’s like the XKCD of sketch comedy.

"Are we the baddies?"

@@harrietamidala1691 Not that one necessarily: Search for "killing the poor" instead.

Or even easier just check the video at 21:22.

he is just wrong.

He is just wrong man.

Thanos is evil is just wrong he is dunce and evil wrong WAY.

Yay❤

Read the early Jim Starlin material on Thanos and Gamora again before deciding the relationship is nonabusive.

@@johnathonhaney8291 Comics Gamora was the amoral mercenary that Thanos intended to raise her as though despite that he was still shown to have given her some normal comforts as a child. And of course Nebula wasn't a factor. There was no hypocritical "passion" portrayed.

@@BugLondon I say again...reread the early stuff. There is one particularly disgusting incident in Gamora being raised that led to her being to let herself be modified into the "most dangerous woman in the universe". No doubt the movie's writer used that as their starting point.

Correct...meaning he'd have to keep reimplementing his chosen solution every few years. Not much of an accomplishment.

@@johnathonhaney8291 And given the gauntlet is pretty fucked up after he does that Snap and seemed to take a toll on his body, he probably doesn't have more than three snaps of that thing total before it renders his arm a useless husk.

How about the first quibbler with Malthus, David Ricardo?

The movies doesn't frame it that way though, the movies makes Thanos's plan as ultimately necessary or at the very least very sympathetic motivation.

Make sure to sleep.

@@renegadecut9875 I do. I can listen at work. I put on your videos and put my phone in my pocket! I miss some pics, but I love your videos still. I have shared many.

That happened almost immediately. You might even be able to find videos or articles that came out before the movie.