That Time A Kicker Won the NFL MVP 

@Matt Pizzano yeah, that's kind my point really. We have such high expectations now it seems like we expect too much from certain position players. I'd go out on a limb and say Cody Parkey would out kick this guy, meanwhile some like Adam Vinetari wasn't able to win MVP despite being the greatest kicker of all time

@Boba Fett No doubt about that, but doesn't help that they were out of shape and toe punching it.

You guys do realize you can't even touch the long snapper. Back then teams would maul him, and get in the backfield before the placeholder had the ball. Kicking is much easier now from that rule change. Which I admit is only 5 or 6 years old

Matt Pizzano now that’s hilarious

@Boba Fett Parkey definitely wasn't the best but the double doink wasn't his fault, that one got tipped

from people who got flagged for running into the kicker

Nathan Zou lol

Eazy me the 43 likes are Cody Parker’s relatives

@@user-dd9qq1ru7s or Kareem hunt or Cody parker

There cowboys fans

I feel like some of the issue is that almost anytime a wr does something the qbs stats get boosted as well, so you can look at it and say without the qb this wr wouldn’t be as good. Don’t get me wrong though I don’t understand how a wr hasn’t gotten an mvp either.

If they got incredible yac numbers then maybe

WRs are so overrated to football

Jerry rice 87 season...nuff said

What's as bad is only one more defensive player than kicker has won it...2014 Watt

@Matt Pizzano And that's good. I can't believe anyone ever thought it was a good idea to kick a ball that way. How could anyone ever think you could have any control over the ball that way?

@Matt Pizzano Strength is really easy. In football (or soccer as you call it), many small children tend to kick the ball with the toebox, because they don't have the strength to kick it properly. It's one of the earliest things taught in football to only kick it with the toebox if you really can't get to the ball otherwise.

Marvin Schmid it’s taught to never kick it like that but ok

@Matt Pizzano Steve Cox was with the Redskins when Mosley retired and although he was a punter he did do long distance Field Goals with a straight on conventional style.

Marvin Schmid who in the fuck teaches you to kick it with your toe...

Actually, if you want to get it right, Pete Gogolak was the first major pro "soccer-style" kicker (drafted in 1964 by the Buffalo Bills, later playing for the NY Giants.) Morten Andersen (the correct spelling of his surname) was a 4-year old toddler in Denmark at that point. By the 70's, soccer-style kickers slowly replaced "straight-on" kickers, with kickers like Garo Yepremian, Toni Linhart, and Chester Marcol leading the evolution of the kicking game in the NFL. A final note on that, however, is that the long-standing record for longest field goal was (until a few years ago) a 63-yard kick made by Tom Dempsey, a straight-on kicker with half a foot and half an arm. Additionally, the old "straight-on" kickers were themselves an evolution from what is virtually an unpracticed art form today - drop kicking. Drop kickers had no holders (an advantage in terms of added blocking), they simply set up in a formation similar to a punt formation and artfully kicked the ball after dropping it to the ground. Doug Flutie's last scoring play as an NFL player some years ago was a drop-kick extra point for the Patriots - and it was the first score via a drop kick in some 70 years. The evolution of placekicking is about accuracy. Drop kickers could be better protected, but accuracy was a greater issue. Straight-on kicking with a holder sacrificed protection, but increased accuracy to a certain degree. Soccer-style kicking with a holder suffers again in terms of blocking, and some soccer-style kickers have difficulty hitting from longer range, but the vast majority of kickers on the list of most accurate in league history are soccer-style. Eventually, the distance record Tom Dempsey once held fell to soccer-style kickers - but it took about 40 years to happen.

@@stone1andonly love it ty :) who knows, with all the aussies flooding college kicking, maybe a return of the drop kicking is possible some day?

The AFL has given the NFL a couple great punters in recent years, and in an ironic twist, there's been a movement bringing American football talent to the AFL. As would be expected, the Americans are encountering resistance, but are learning to adapt to the AFL game and might soon be a factor. And the return of the drop kick to the NFL? I wouldn't mind seeing a drop kicker in the game, if only for all the possibilities it brings to life. Personally, I would love to see a real throwback to the old days of the NFL, when virtually all players filled multiple roles on the team. On many teams in the *really* old days, the kicker was usually the quarterback. Sammy Baugh of the Washington Redskins (the team that won't change their racially insensitive name) was at one time a leader on both career lists for passing *and* punting, and the immortal Jim Thorpe at one time was paid to appear at games to demonstrate his considerable skills as a drop kicker after his playing days had ended.

stone1andonly What an informative reply. I wish this was reddit so I could give you gold lol.

@@stone1andonly Drop kicking is dead for a good reason. Even today the gamble of losing accuracy may be taken for the protection, but the act itself is improbable. The ball shape slowly moved from a rounder, close even to an egg with even sides, to the ovaloid it is today with the sharper tips, with the growing use of the forward pass and changing of the way the game was played. And so, dropping the ball and having it bounce in a fashion that is predictable enough to be useful as a scoring method is such a small chance, it just won't happen

That's where Mariota drew his inspiration from

Peter James that would be an insult

Peter James hahaha

😂😂😂I know

Joe Theismann was as tough as they come broke a tooth on that block plus he saved the Super Bowl with a great pass defense play on a deflected ball

no their aliens

@@imdavidmayoandiapprovethis5746 they're*

bruh

I don't know who told you that, but they were lying.

@@joesmirt7262 spelling Nazis are the worst.

Exactly! Between guys like Marvin Harrison and Antonio Brown? Rice and J. Jones? All of those guys had years that warranted MVP's

All we need is another strike shortened season

Because if a wide receiver put a monsters numbers of receiving yards and touchdown like rendy moss did in 2007 season it means that the QB (brady in this case) will have a monsters passing yards and touchdown, so at the end the QB will win the mvp. A kicker or runnig back or defensive player are not Not dependent on a quarterback like a wide receiver so they have a much better chance than him to win the mvp.

Anthony Apodaca At least they should get Offensive Player of the Year!

Any other kickers besides Sebastian Janikowski or Morten Anderson is a shocker if the MVP was to ever go to a kicker on a bad season.

Brandon Petrovia RFK used to be the most intimidating place to play. Built to withstand the ruckus, and the movement ability was engineered in so no joints or welds would fail. Maddening looking though - imagine trying to play w the crowd seemingly willing to risk architectural death just to yell at you. I had the fortune of going as a kid in 96 before they moved to FedEx - amazing. #HTTR

It was rundown when the Senators played there, lol. Went to Georgetown in the early '70s. Saw a number of games there as my elderly cousins had season tickets to both Redskins and Senators.

Attended several games at RFK that season. That place was a dump! But it was, hands down, the most fun I've ever had as a fan. It held about 55,000, and you sat right on top of the game. Ticket prices were such that it was a diverse crowd -- professionals, workers, white, black, young, old, you name it, all cheering for the 'Skins. Downtown DC. And that team was pretty dominant, on its way to its first Super Bowl win, so that was great, too.

See I miss football

he was a running back before becoming a qb

When Theismann threw that block, he chipped his 2 front teeth. When he when back to the huddle, he didn't realise it, until he tried call the next play in the huddle.

@@w41duvernay you ain't playing if you don't chip your teeth

Theismann secured his place on the Redskins due to special teams. In addition to holding duties, he also covered PUNTS! (How many quarterbacks since Theismann covered punts?)

Yeah that could have only been safe

Aaron Beaulieu it still happens sometimes, the fans today are just not nearly as passionate and on their phones or watching redzone the whole time even at the game in person

@@TheLocalLt Damn millenials don't want to kill or maim hundreds of people!!!

Collin McNaught what are you talking about I’m 22? The stands rocking wasn’t unsafe, it’s just what happens when thousands of people jump on a grandstand at the same time

RFK was a legit home field advantage. It’s no wonder Washington has won all of one home playoff game since they moved to whatever they call the place that replaced it.

Well, he only hit 70% of his kicks that season

DaPokemonLord 😂

I’m ded

@@dylanfristoe9202 so am i

Dylan Fristoe Dead*

oh god don't remind me

Why not? Lou Groza and George Blanda are there, but they kicked and played another position. Jan Stenerud and Morten Andersen are the first pure place kickers in Canton. Mark Moseley should join them. He is still the Redskins alltime scorer with 1,206 points.

Totally agree. Ah well, too late.

Well, Los Angeles got their revenge the next year. Speaking of LA, I might as well mention two things the NFL doesn't want to admit: The Redskins never lost to the OAKLAND Raiders in the 1984 Super Bowl. The LOS ANGELES Rams never beat the Titans in the 2000 Super Bowl and have yet to win one.

Shaun Jobs they figured that out 20 years ago. But this older guy isn’t going to risk his career to change his kicking style

Rugby kickers have been kicking the "proper" way for almost a century. No excuse for this style even by the 80s

Actually its easier ...this style as a kicker your goal is to hit it center and that way it goes straight....soccer style nowadays you never know where its gon a end up

jesus gonzales toe balls are way more inaccurate

@@NY-ITA99 my perspective when i kicked....i could never kick soccer style....u kick?

jesus gonzales your just bad at kicking

jesus gonzales you are a moron Hesus stupid Browny.

all the good players on those teams retired or they are too old

Nickle The completely normal Human yep!!!

#HTTR

Former star quarterback Billy Kilmer (1961-78) was the last player in NFL history to wear a single bar face mask.

@@armorybrunotjr.3204 Gary Anderson

Okay, Kilmer was the last quarterback to wear the single bar face mask.

Armory Brunot,Jr. Joe Theismann was the last quarterback to wear a single bar face mask.

Miss the leather helmet days

SkyMC It’s not too far fetched. Quarterbacks are holders sometimes,so a really good QB could also be the holder. And a lot of Long Snappers are tight ends and linebackers.

Joe was tough unlike even QBs in his era - much less now. He’s worshipped here in Washington.

Yeah and his awesome career was ended with an injury. There's a reason QBs don't play like that anymore - they're too valuable to risk losing especially with how pass-heavy offense has gotten in the NFL.

Casey Johnson aka LOFT yea and he’s the one who got his leg snapped

That block is illegal now lmao. Can’t chop past the line of scrimmage

Dan Lorett, Theismann's career-ending injury didn't come on a "tough guy" play though. He was sacked while trying to execute a very ill-conceived flea flicker. Washington's coach and offensive coordinator are most to blame for putting him in danger by calling a slowly-developing play in the backfield against LT and the rest of the Giants' superhuman defense of the 80s.

Yes. The good old RFK stadium. Not the same stadium as today

Batman Blood ikr qbs throw/handoff and just stand there

Thought the same thing bro

Russell Wilson

Chris Plays 020509 Nah Tom Brady and Brett Favre made some blocks

Russell Wilson

4 am for me lol

Actually, the first players to congratulate Moseley were all Redskins quarterbacks - starting with Theismann - who would never win MVP in his career. (Theismann was, in fact, Moseley's holder during his entire stay in Washington. What was unusual was that even AFTER Theismann became the starting quarterback for the Redskins, he remained Moseley's holder; while other teams have quarterbacks as holders, it typically is NOT the starter.)

@@PGHammer21A "Actually, the first players to congratulate Moseley were all Redskins quarterbacks - starting with Theismann - who would never win MVP in his career." Really? Do a Google search for "1983 NFL MVP."

Damn you beat me too it. He did win mvp you troglodyte

@@PGHammer21A Theisman won MVP in 1983 dude.

Mark Moseley's leg saved Washington many times during the 1982 regular season. Moseley's leg put them in the playoffs and then Riggo and the Hoggs took over.

I gotta agree with you, LT was the absolute best football player of all time. any position. He used to destroy my favorite all time player Joe Jacoby. Still upset at that 1986 season when he blew up the league. That was the year he went from best pass rusher of all time to best player of all time. Without Lawrence Taylor the Redskins go 14-2 and the Giants go 12-4 that year.

Kickers aren't automatic now either.

@ even soccer style kickers were less accurate back then. Moseley was the best kicker at a time when every other kicker was soccer style.

@@inthemoment8791 He was not the best kicker, he just had one fluke season. He finished 23rd and 17th in fg% in the two years preceding his MVP season, and 17th and 8th in the two years after. If he had played a full 16 game season, he wouldn't have made over 95% of his kicks. There were other players that benefited from the small sample size. Wes Chandler was on pace to set what would have been at the time the record for receiving yards in a season. If he played a full season, I doubt he would have continued to average over 21 yards per reception. Moseley just had a lucky year.

Johnny Raymond a lucky year? I understand that success like that isn’t always sustainable, but one does not get by (or win an mvp) purely through luck

FAITHandLOGIC not true

Still got it. Two things can be true

brianbachmeier34 Bingo!!! Someone gets it

Dan Fouts, Marcus Allen, & Wes Chandler in that particular order.

Ig: Yg_Jxime760 except that everyone’s talking about it

Ben Godwin why

@@michaellinch5828 football, that's why

Bad Cornflakes ... hey if 👀 a QB cut block or a Kicker Winning the MVP blows your hair back more power to ya ... it does nothing for me . I want my QB upright & throwin Dimes not risking injury for 3yards & cloud of dust

@@michaellinch5828 if only everyone on the team could throw dimes, it wouldn't matter