That time a train powered a town - CN 3502 

Because locomotives don't care what humans think is impossible.

polar express looking at the CN diesel: *im so proud of you*

Tell that to Toby in one of the Railway Series books

That and the road and underlying ground being solidly frozen helped.

Reminds me of a quote from the first Airport movie when they powered a 707 out that had been stuck. "The instruction book said that was impossible." "Well there is one good thing about the 707... It can do anything but read."

Yes dc brown

Nice quote, I wonder how many will get it. I’m going back to my future now. Greetings from Cornwall.

@@exb.r.buckeyeman845 Hello from Ohio, nice to see you traveller. I hope I see you again!

@@_RandomPerson_ I’m sure our paths will cross again. Peace to you all.

on the way back, the train took a sharp turn into the sticks and chased ryan harrison several miles into the woods.

Lol

This is a robbery give me all your maple syrup please eh?

@@cooperthehunter3781 That's funny

@@cooperthehunter3781 Super sorry to do this to ya by the way bud, but my moose is thirsty eh.

@@cooperthehunter3781 fun fact the biggest robbery in Canadian history was in fact 18 Million dollars worth of maple syrup.

I saw photos at the time. . .

You can see it driving down the road in this news report from the time ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iFF4Yd06bcg.html

Don´t worry buddy, someone in the past got your back. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iFF4Yd06bcg.html

If video memes were around at the time, I can imagine someone captioning 'choo choo, madafaka' onto the clip.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iFF4Yd06bcg.html

Well...we've seen The Inception. :-D

tokyo driffting

Both can be surprising.

The distance that was driven on road is about 150 meters.

@@simonpoudrette going where no diesel locomotive has gone before

Makes sense. He did say the engines were heavy enough to make grooves in the road, effectively making makeshift tracks. The forward wheels might swivel a bit but the rest of them will just follow the grooves.

I guess once they start carving grooves into the road, they will keep going straight as the wheels sink neatly into the tracks they are making.

Have you never seen The Titfield Thunderbolt? :-D

They may have chained the trucks to the frame to prevent them from rotating.

@@PowerTrain611 Assuming they put the thing down with the trucks pointing in the right direction I doubt they could have rotated once they had dug into the road even if they'd wanted them to. It would have gone in a straight line like it was on rails... Which is quite ironic.

Drainage grooves!😂

As an engineer, I don't care about the tarmac - but oh, those poor wheels ! ;)

Especially since all the pressure is applied by a steel wheel flange, rather than 2 large tires.

Crying? More like dying. 😲

Several million in damage to the train and the road. Of course, they likely just poured some tar in the hole and called it a day.

Unsurprisingly, the ice storm of 1998 covered more than just Boucherville.

Worst affected were those in the black triangle formed of Saint-Hyacinthe, Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu and Granby

Most of Ontario, New Brunswick, Quebec... We lived south of Ottawa when The Ice Storm of '98 hit, we were out for 16 days. The forests of all affected areas were decimated from the ice load, snapped like twigs every 30 seconds or so (at its peak). Some places were out for weeks longer than us. I remember hearing that it took over a year afterwards to get all the rural connections back up. Get your own grid. Few solar panels, a small windmill, buncha batteries and a solid inverter... you're set.

Miles of the main power pylons were collapsed by the ice. Not your average blackout. Worse in many ways (for the areas affected) than the 2003 grid failure.

Prepare for that to happen again. Thank the world economic forum and trudeau

Makes me think of Simpsons hit and run, can drive a monorail about on the road

@@trentr9762 or literally any exploded car. Those wheels looked more like train wheels than actual car rims

I thought about the train from Inception plowing through traffic

Wrongfully Accused when Leslie Neilsen was chased through the woods lol

@@trentr9762 that car commercial where they let Ray Charles drive around Bonneville salt flats

not with that attitude *drives it down the road anyway*

I seem to recall reading somewhere that US Navy ships, especially nuclear powered ships including submarines, are explicitly designed with the capability to be used as temporary power plants in case of emergency. The Lexington, with its massive steam-electric system, clearly set a precedent

"...but they weren't able to sail her down the road..." That's Classified.

@@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory That's my man. XD *proceeds to throw the starboard(?) anker to make a right hand turn*

@@Vespuchian basically all modern warships are designed with this feature in mind for when they are assigned to disaster recovery efforts. They can pull into ports and basically act as a floating power station. Even a small destroyer has a large enough powerplant aboard to power nearly 1000 homes, or more importantly, a full sized hospital.

Never knew that. Cool article 😁

I also remembered reading about this.

That winter was pretty epic! We had a few in the mid/late 70’s.

Whaddya know, an engine named after a Canadian province does the same thing as these Canadian engines. Coincidence?

@@thestarlightalchemist7333 Maybe a coincidence. Maybe not :P. This class of locomotives were given to Sri Lanka under a so called "The Colombo Plan". So to show appreciation, the CGR (Ceylon Government Railway) named 12 out of 14 locomotives with states of Canada. Fun fact (not so fun), one of the locomotives got caught in the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami. But it was later reconstructed and returned to the same place and time, hauling the same train 5 years later. 13 are still working, even after almost 70 years in service. 1 was destroyed due to a landmine during the war.

@@grundalwalfe4463 I heard about that. The engine didn’t only provide power to the LTT camps, a few buildings in the local village were powered too, not just the ones under Tamil tiger control.

@@MFKR696 one I know their called LTTE but my parents always called it LTT, not sure why but I call it that by a force of habit. Two the Tamil Tiger thing was my bad, accidentally spelled wrong. And my source isn’t google. It my parents and their family. They lived in Jaffna during the war and had first hand experience. They told me stories of what happened and that how I know what I know. The LTTE weren’t saints but neither was the government, when Tamil Eelam and the LTT abandoned Jaffna the Train was still used for sometime by nearby villager to power part of a decimated village, until reconstruction was started.

@@MFKR696 just to be clear I am not touting my self as a “expert” I just repeating a story that was told to me. It could be wrong so don’t take what I say as fact, but I trust my parents’ family members saw what they saw.

Love the choice of music you always use btw. Great stuff.

Are you that guy from "I like trains" song?

@@igninis .... y e s

2 more reasons infact

@@TheOnePhun211 I bet you're subscribed to Adam Something, too.

Formerly built in London, Ontario in the sprawling GM diesel complex. After the GMD/GDLS split in 2003, the train plant (now called electromotive) was still open for several years. I worked at the GDLS plant for a time just before the electromotive plant closed, and it was absolutely astounding to see how big those locomotives were up close, and seeing them in various stages of completion (mostly just needing paint or the odd panel here or there) when they finally made it outside. Their finished product lines were visible from one of the designated smoking areas in our plant. Even after I quit smoking, I still used to find myself outside just looking at the locomotives like I was a 5 year old again. Lol. There are still a number of folks I know and work with that were welders/mechanical assemblers/maintenance guys in the electromotive plant, and they have some really neat stories.

@@HerculesRockefellerESQ I commissioned a couple SD70's out of London at the end. There where so many problems. I'm 23 years locomotive electrician. Done a lot of ZTR work that's also out of London.

im working in a company that turns ship engines into powerplants that burn trash gas or pyrolysis fuel made from old tyres, those machines make enough power to run a city

@@theodorethompson9032 as a "regular" electrician, I'm curious how they were able to obtain the right voltage to power the grid, what voltage do these locomotives operate at?

​@@JamesSimmons They operate on a variable range starting at high current low voltage and ramping up to high voltage low current as the engine works harder and accelerates the train. 1200 volts would be the typical upper voltage limit, and several thousand amps would be the typical current upper limit. The A/C frequency would vary as well since they use a variable frequency drive system to run the electric traction motors. Because of all of this, I would expect it would be relatively simple for a locomotive maintenance person / mechanic to configure a desired power output profile that matches normal grid power and and have the engine regulate / maintain that level. Since you'd be hard limiting voltage to a lower 120/240 volts, your output would just be limited by amperage.

A couple of reminders, eh?

Hey Simon, that's the street name? I kind of want to go see that now!

@@elises.1588 Corner Rivière-aux-pins and Montarville

they’re passenger locomotives so it’s part of their job to provide power for electricity…

Where was this?

@@martinhow121 Aberthaw Power Station late 60's

Same thing happened at West Thurrock on the Thames but the loco (a class47) had its bogies removed and sat on wooden blocks

I think somebody made a video about this and it can be found here on youtube.

I think I remember seeing a picture of a Class 47 being used to provide excitation for an alternator. Guess it was Aberthaw. I assumed it generated DC for traction motors so could provide DC to excite an alternator set. Where I worked we normally used smaller alternators and a rectifier bank to provide excitation.

Yes

technically only the lead would ever need to be adjusted if that was the case. because as the wheels of the lead truck carved into the ground, the trailing truck would just follow because the carved grooves wouldve acted as makeshift rails.

@@MasterOfTruck Ah, makes sense.

@@1_railfan hi Railfan#1

@@MasterOfTruck even then there are no external forces trying to turn the locomotive. The rear wheels of the lead truck would also hold the front wheels straight

Long as the loco dose not need to turn.... Rails are not needed... The train wheels are in a shape of a r... Most of the weight pressing down would be top of the r and the lower half of the r is so they can push on the inside of the track, and as the track bends that pivots the wheel carriage to fallow along the rail....

Crazy how they can power a whole neighborhood and it doesn't even push them past high idle

Ahh that's the one!

OOOOOH I just got that.

Mostly the proper Southern locomotives are. It done that way because of the whole every year we have a set of natural disasters roll throughout the southeast. The railroads are normally the first ones in after the fact along with the various linemen for the power companies.

Any of the newer AC locomotives would be easier to hook up to the grid than the DC driven units with alternators... With the AC traction you can run the prime mover at full power and set the variable frequency drive to output 60 Hz at a specific voltage and plug that into a transformer to get the power into the grid. On the older DC drives, you'd have to match the engine speed to get 60Hz out of the alternator like a conventional generator set... at least on EMD locomotives they were usually set to 900 RPM at full power so it would produce 60Hz like an 8 pole generator would. I say usually because some of the bigger later units maxed out at 950 or even 1050 RPM, but I think they had AC traction drives, so it wouldn't matter as much. I'd really have to look to see which ones would be capable of what.

@@kleetus92 kleetus, your comment is awesome, my dad was a truck, big rig lover and I was a hoghead with 40 years of service and he always told me about how railroad engines dont work hard because they dont produce the rpm’s and last forever and I would tell him how I just hauled a 200 trailers on a 100 car train and your truckers run around tired and sleeping along the highway just pulling one trailer, we use to laugh~~~>>>ms~~~

@@kleetus92 When I saw the comments about derating to 375 kW, my immeditate thought was "Modern frequency conversion electronics should have allowed that thing to go to full power with a good enough inverter". You reminded me that the motor controllers are exactly that...

@@Entropy512 375kW is only 500 HP... so I'm not sure where they're getting that power number... that locomotive itself should be 4400 HP, or roughly 2.2 Megawatt...

Spelled Boucherville?

@@andyharman3022 Yes, spelled that way. It is a French name. In English, Bouchertown😁

jeez they really butchered that.

Mike Mitchell I remember that Storm We went up North to Camp to open up a Road connecting to the other Camps . 100 man hours for 2.5 miles of cutting our way thru . We were not hit as hard as you were . We ran into convoys of trucks from power Companies headed North to fix the lines . A truck with a Generator from the National Guard would go from Farm to Farm so they could run the Milk House for 2 hours . You Lived it and I only Saw it . It was Brutal any way that you spell it . Set dub Terrible ?

Just to clarify, the ice storms in 1998 affected alot more than 1000's. The mpacted persons were will into the millions including no small number in the U.S.. While some areas of Quebec arguably took the brunt of it, my area of Ottawa was without power for over a week. Total mess.

Yeah, the Ivory towers always make sure they get taken care of first. The peasants? Let them eat cake!

@@randydicotti3975 how do you expect the authorities to do anything without power? lol

@@TheKnobCalledTone. Pen, pencil, flag signals, but maybe they should not get in the way of citizens that try to deal with s*it that happened in part due to long term interference of authorities and mismanagement from their part.

@@MrToradragon Ah yes, use a pen to organize medical help for the citizens, what are you gonna write on citizens to keep 'em warm?... Imagine hating the government so much that when they try to help you still try to turn it into something bad xD

Its an “engine” by railroad operating rules a train is an engine with one or more cars displaying a marker on the rear…..take a deep breath and say “engine”, locomotive is its technical term…..railroaders will thank you….😉

myth.

bro could you imagine seeing that thing when you go out side and it starts drifting

Most all hospitals have dedicated diesel powered back up plants… larger hospitals use EMD locomotive type engines, or GE, or caterpillar, etc. Amazingly in event of a power failure from city utilities, these diesels fire up and run at full throttle immediately, no chance for a real warm up minute… imagine start your car, cold, hit the highway floored with AC on, expecting full performance, in the first few seconds (many people do that anyway)

@@vwecco1 Large generators that would be found in places like hospitals, generally have block And sometimes coolant heaters that keep the engines warm at all times to ensure they start and accept the load within 10 seconds of power loss.

@@mtmmac1 Yes or sometimes they have indirect heating - by placing them indoors!

@@vwecco1 although they normally also have battery backup that steps in without even a millisecond of power losss.

One thing you all must remember, is we lost power for up to TWO MONTHS. 3/4 of the entire power grid powering Montreal, the south shore and Laval failed. Miles and miles of collapsed high-tension, long distance metal structures, the kind you see between cities on the side of highways that are hundreds of feet tall, all collapsed. I was 10 at the time, and still remember it vividly. I imagine a generator in a hospital is not meant to run indefinitely..

I read that magazine story and literally dismissed it as a cleverly inserted April Fool's joke. It was 20 years before I looked it up and realized it was true!

I was hired by the Canadian army to haul a Caterpillar containerized generator (30 tons)to Montreal from the cat dealer in Vancouver 3 days non stop for the same ice storm

@@bradjames6748 Thank you. My best friend was living in Montreal during the ice storm. You helped save lives for sure.

@@bradjames6748 That is nuts! Hope ya were rewarded with a nice, cozy bed afterward. Three days of driving is brutal, and I doubt the treacherous road conditions were any help.

Very true! They are not much different than the generators that they now package inside semi trailers. Possibly slightly larger.

375kw @ 60hz. At least that's what they said in the video.

I watching and hearing the music qnd was like i heard it before and got a flashback of myself sitting down super close to the tv playing sega.

This time their doing in intentionally

(Cue deep-fried Thomas the Tank Engine theme song)

To be fair, most of Texas isn't expecting a *blizzard.* Like, people didn't even know how to insulate their outdoor water spigots. Many of the affected homes had pipes bursting *in the walls* because the insulation wasn't suited for below freezing conditions. Few people who've lived in Texas their whole lives even know what winterizing a house entails. And all that is just about the water grid. Power infrastructure also requires some element protection. That on top of the fact that running a power grid is a delicate balancing act in general. Texas isn't suited for blizzards, neither the people nor the objects.

Texas had followed the green movement and has more wind power than any other state. The majority of these windmills failed during the deep freeze. The other side to it is that Texas spent the last 30 years transitioning almost all new construction to electrical heat from gas furnaces. When the temperatures dropped so drastically, the heat was mostly electric and the wind power supply failed, the grid was over taxed and failed as well. People are just not given the little details when these things happen because it’s not in the interest of the prevalent political message. The problem is that ideology and physics don’t always agree. Physics wins every time. Texas has always been connected to the rest of the national power grid. It shares/sells/buys electricity all the time. During the deep freeze, nobody had surplus so there was none to get. The connections exist. The supply was just not there.

@@blisterbill8477 I wanna be clear, I had no intention of making statements politically or otherwise (intentionally). Your comment is educational and did make me think a bit, which is always good. Thanks.

@@propermods2849 I laughed. It was funny. Most people don’t realize that it wasn’t the grid. It was the supply change and the load change that caused the overall problem.

@@blisterbill8477 Are you sure about the wind turbines failing? Thought they only supplied about 10% of all electricity in state.

Transformers can run at higher frequency with negligible issues, they just get a bit less efficient typically due to higher lossees from inducing current in the thicker laminate of the lower-frequency core. Also, many locomotives these days here in Europe are designed to handle the different grids which include typically everything from 15.7 Hz 15 kV to 50 Hz 25 kV.

Thank you! I was scanning through the comments to see how on earth they were arriving at a voltage where they could tap into an existing transformer.

Should of done that again for the last 3 storms....

Sir, did you watch the video? NO ONE KNOWS!

This worked because the ferry was diesel-electric generating three phase 3.3kV (I think) 50Hz at nominal full speed and a suitable transformer to feed into the 11kV or 22kV network happened to be available. Even despite this, as well as the use of portable generators and installation of 'easy' interconnects, much of the CBD was without power for some weeks. It was a CBD problem only, the suburbs, the airport and the main hospital were not affected. The rail line was only closed while linemen were building the temporary line (two 110kV circuits on poles - fortunately there was sufficient materials in NZ to build the line at short notice). Fortunately too the line could also be built through a disused single track rail tunnel (with the ends fenced off). That tunnel ran parallel to a newer two track tunnel.

You can buy an inverter for your car. It clips to the battery and produces 120 Volt 60 Hz power, obtaining its power from the alternator. Some make a sine wave of sufficient quality to power electronics. You can find them under camping supplies. The low-end ones start at $200.

Or, each important building could just have its own backup generator.......

@@majorphysics3669 That's actually a worse idea by far. See, the thing is, backup generators _aren't_ something you can buy once, stick in a shed along with a tank of fuel, and then forget about them until they're needed. They need _maintenance,_ they need to be run every now and then, fuel goes off if just left sitting for too long; _all of this adds up to a recurring maintenance cost._ It's also the _first_ cost that gets slated for "deferred maintenance" by beancounters because "why are we paying for upkeep on a generator we never need?" The result is that maintenance for the backup generators gets deferred and deferred and deferred until such time as either it finally gets looked at and _holy crap the expense_ of the _intensive repairs required_ to bring it up to spec just blows everyone away and the beancounters decide not to do it, or worse, they just scrap it. Or, it becomes necessary, and someone tries to fire the backup generator up, and it doesn't work _or worse,_ because it hasn't been maintained in ten years. Meanwhile, a railroad siding in a strategic place is _basically_ a one-and-done expense. Not _entirely,_ but it's a lot cheaper to maintain a siding and perhaps a shed over that siding, and a single/few track switches. Then when you need emergency power, you can just hire/rent/beg one in from the train company, who can back a generator (whether on a flatbed or just an actual locomotive) into your siding/shed, hook it up to your power grid, and let it run; not only letting it run, but should it need to stay in place for awhile, they can actually bring in a tank full of fuel for it by rail as well.

The Sears Tower in Chicago has four EMD 16-645E3’s in the sub-basement.

I think you mean 2,000 horsepower, not 2,000 kilowatts. Kilowatts are a measure of electrical power from a generator (DC) or alternator (AC) while horsepower in the case of locomotives is a measurement of the prime mover's output - the cylinders turning the crankshaft and creating torque. The MLW M420 is actually rated for 2,400 hp despite the 4 being absent from the locomotive model designation. They use a GE GTA17 generator to provide power to the traction motors, which under no natural circumstances will ever produce 2,000 kw.

@@burdizdawurd1516Official that's precisely what I mean. The application in question is electrical power output which is 2megawatt for an average 251c. Which ironically nearly matches the horse power. This isn't common however, the 251c is a 900rpm motor so it's driving an 8pole generator making a higher proportion of torque to HP.

From what I know, older diesel-electric locomotives have DC generators which are connected to DC motors in the bogies and their output voltage depends on rpm of the diesel. Modern diesel-electric locos have 3-phase AC generators with power electronics between them and asynchronous AC motors. I think that an older loco with DC generator cannot be connected to 3-phase 60Hz grid without an inverter. An AC generator can be connected to the grid through a transformer, but it requires very specific rpm of the diesel to have exactly 60Hz, otherwise an inverter is required too.

I was thinking the same - the theoretical power output of such an engine and generator is quite simple, every locomotive has a power rating. The question would be how much of that power could be delivered to a power grid? Probably only a portion, due to several factors, and these might be variable given circumstances, so the answer in the end would be "it depends." For one thing, the engine and generator system isn't designed to deliver power at the desired voltage and frequency, so to do so (and not completely destroy what it's trying to power) it might only be able to put out a portion of its rated power. For another, the connection they're using to the grid might not be able to handle the locomotive's full power capability. Neither of these are the case with the stationary generators you describe, where the engine, generator, and connection to the grid are all designed for that purpose, are compatible with each other.

Maybe they where somehow able to get 60hz from running the engine at 900rpm? (Full throttle?)

No way those engines can achieve that rpm without self destructing.

@@thegeforce6625 8-pole generator will give 60Hz at 900 rpm

The theoretical power output of such an engine and generator is quite simple, every locomotive has a power rating. The question would be how much of that power could be delivered to a power grid? Probably only a portion, due to several factors, and these might be variable given circumstances, so the answer in the end would be "it depends." For one thing, the engine and generator system isn't designed to deliver power at the desired voltage and frequency, so to do so (and not completely destroy what it's trying to power) it might only be able to put out a portion of its rated power. For another, the connection they're using to the grid might not be able to handle the locomotive's full power capability.

@@thegeforce6625 that generator design should get 60hertz at about 800 rpm.

11 miles? That's a long journey by this method! I've seen videos of transporting a locomotive in this manner (bringing an SD35 or something into the Colorado Railroad Museum if I remember right, a few blocks down the street from a nearby crossing), so I know what you're describing. But 11 miles? I'd think for that they'd load it onto a low-boy semi trailer or something.

@@quillmaurer6563 floodwaters remember? A tracked vehicle can go a lot of places.

@@sadwingsraging3044 Ah, true - damaged or flooded roads would add another element of challenge to that. Sounds like a quite interesting story actually, a desperate effort to keep people alive using whatever means necessary and whatever was available.

Yea, well guess what, the railroad operator are not responsible for the maintenance on customers sidings so guess who paid for that boom and the extra cost for those cars occupying their siding…..that was an expensive day for that industry….

@@mshum538 yup. My friend was in charge of buildings and grounds which the rails were a part of. He told them about the track deterioration that needed to be done _before_ the derailment. You know how highly educated business people are so they obviously ignored him. He grinned as he laid the receipt for the Side Boom and work to temp in the track and move the cars off right beside the receipt for tearing it all apart again and replacing about 250 feet of track. His smile was the average Joe twisting the _'Stupid Boomerang'_ he just happened to find lodged in the back side of the skull of the hyper educated business class elite he had to deal with.😂

The heavier the loco, the more traction it has.

“boo-shay-veel” might get him even closer.

@@ericssmith2014 No, it's pronounced “boo-sher-ville", and the 'sher' is pronounced like Cher, as in Sonny and Cher. Of course in English, one could easily confuse it and pronounce it as Sonny and Chair.

Sounds like a plot out of Jericho!

The unfortunate truth of reality, however, is that large scale EMP attack wouldn't significantly affect the generating stations, but instead affect the lines themselves due to their length, and cause anything attached to them to blow or trip out. You'd end up in a situation where everything that can trip out has done so, and where some of the things that couldn't have failed into a short circuit. You'd end up with a black grid in only a few seconds.

@@user2C47 and a million fried transformers, large and small.

@@rearspeaker6364 Short pulses like that will rarely damage transformers. And the shorted loads will trip out the breakers, The initial job is to just shut off or unplug all the loads then reset the breakers to get power on. Then have engineers and technicians go out and check all the millions of loads to see what will work OK. Incandescent light bulbs will either be burned out or they will be fine. They will not be shorted. As for everything else, a simple protection rig made out of an incandescent light bulb and a toggle switch issued to each person checking things can be used to see which other loads can be safely connected. Where I worked we made such protection rigs on all our benches when firing up newly built amplifiers. The bulb was put in series with the amp and would limit inrush current if there was something wrong by lighting up brightly. If it glowed tor a second and went dim, we bypassed the bulb with the toggle switch and carried on. If it stayed bright we would send the amp to a tech for diagnosis.

Footage from that day.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iFF4Yd06bcg.html

You may need a transformer, but other than that, yes, you can. However, the alternator for the hotel function is nowhere as powerful as one for the traction motors though

@@theminer3746 depends on where you source the power from. The Alaska Railroad SD70MAC are only powering one truck while in HEP mode.

@@truckertj2109 and still have over 2500hp doing that. similar idea being used for metra chicago's sd70macs.

but did it drive down the road no

@@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory No.

Wasn't that in 1929?