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Finn completely forgetting everything that happened in pillow world always left me with a sense of unfulfillment but now I think it adds so much more to the episode, considering the first golb apearance
It's probably one of the few examples in media where (at least for me) the whole "it was all a dream and no one remembers anything" trope actually worked and wasn't unsatisfying
It also kind of hilariously foreshadows how nihilism Gold represents can be defeated by Adventures Time idea of and moving on and just keep living with no higher purpose.
@@MarioofSevenStars it's actually kind of an interesting theory that golb sees everything on they rawest form so to speak, so even further than what happened in his stomach
Wait does that imply they have reproduction organs? Are they pillows or life forms that resemble pillows? Do they have cells? Blood? Nerves? Erogenous zones? The dragon fin fought at the beginning was just pillows and feathers... *wait where do they get the feathers?!*
Golb's prescience and Finn's forgetfulness makes me wonder if Golb destroyed the pillow universe, which in turn erased that specific universe and everything directly connected to it. Memories anyone would have of it included..
Yeah idk i think it kinda defeats the themes if it is destroyed by an external force and it isn’t just that he isn’t there and it doesn’t matter anymore
As Jake said "now it's gone forever, so it's not real, and I don't care about it anymore." I don't think it matters if Golb destroyed pillow world or not, Finn dies there so he can't go back. It's erased from him because he's done with his time there regardless of Golb. He subconsciously gets Jake's lesson better than Jake does. Haha
I've always been very focused on families, especially the love of a parent and child. Because of that, I started ugly crying every time I saw the pillow kids, or thought too much about Finn forgetting them
The Box Prince has stuck with me since I first watched it, it serves like a reminder that some things aren’t as complicated as we make them seem. To just enjoy the simple joys of life, and to just live in the present. It’s one of my favorite episodes cause it’s so simple yet can be interpreted as a more complex idea
The fact that Finn manages to get lost in the Pillowverse, find a girl, get married, have children, embark on a quest to get back to his home-world, grow old, and die, only for this entire thing to be a dream... I was like "Huh?!"
Technically he loses his arm in other universes too not just future, It's like 'must happen' phenomenon, I never seen a version of him without a missing arm.
The advice Jake gives Finn is by far the most helpful thing for a person with anxiety disorder to hear , I really wish this episode existed last year when my mental health was falling apart but I'm much better now so...Eh , I guess it all worked out.
Not to mention, Father Finn was voiced by Jonathan Frakes, Will Riker from Star Trek TNG :D The ending of the episode though, with the promise to remember after the dream... reminds me very much of Zelda: Link's Awakening, where much the same thing happens.
To make the frakes voice cameo even better, this episode is directly influenced by TNGs The Inner Light, where Picard lived an entire lifetime in a similar way. My favourite episode of both shows. alphanumeric.
As a fellow person with autism and panic attacks, the importance of being mindfully present is such an important and god damn difficult lesson. Darn electric meat sac gonna do what it'll do and we both have to manage it best we can.
Honestly, considering how Finn was when he was 15, I don't think he would have recovered if he remembered his pillow family. That would have messed up even those who aren't chronic overthinkers like him.
This really hits home with something I keep trying to remind others in my life. Just because you know something isn't a big deal and you know that it shouldn't affect you as much as it does, it doesn't make the feelings less real and go away. Just because there are worse things in the world, it won't make the pain you experience less painful. Whether you stub a toe or break a bone, BOTH still hurt even if one is clearly more painful. You should be allowed to feel your feelings without others criticizing you and invalidating those very emotions.
As someone who has suffered from anxiety disorders and borderline I can totally relate. There's a RU-vid channel that I'm a big fan of and I used to sign their Patreon and when I did, I got a shout out in a video. I love rewatching videos that I like but I had to cancel my subscription to their patreon due to short money and I felt so guilty about it that I couldn't watch the video that I got a shout out for months. Yesterday I finally watched it again I realized it was just my head that was being hella messy and stupid. Now I singned the Patreon again and stopped feeling guilty cause I had no money to support a creator that I love. Feelings are weird.
Damn. I wasn't expecting a video I clicked on randomly since I haven't watched that much of Adventure Time to affect me so profoundly. I also struggle with being autistic and anxiety disorders making it impossible to live in the moment as I'm constantly absorbed by the past and future. I feel like I've been told to move on and start living in the here and now so many times before but something about the way you put it truly resonated with me. It's completely shook up my perspective on everything going on in life right now. I honestly feel the need to say thank you for making this.
As someone who had similar experiences having social anxiety, I appreciate you sharing those experiences, makes it seem less alone. Even though I'm much better off these days than I use to be!
This episode somewhat made me ponder a lot as a kid. And no, it's not because of the whole "finn fucked a pillow" thing, it's the ending. The idea that your entire life was just a dream, one dream after another. Every time someone dies, they just wake up as a different person, and they only see it as a dream. As a 14 year old back then when i first saw this, it made me ponder of my own existence. Whether or not I'm just a dream. And this shit lasted fir 4 years until i came to the conclusion, "fuck it, we ballin". That shouldn't matter to me (yet). And plus, even if I'm a dream, my dreamer self is probably not going to remember me or my old life so I may as well just live in the present for all I know
That ending breaks my heart after Together Again. That timeline is Literally the only time Finn could live without Jake. If he did remember that... Maybe he could've moved on in life. Assuming he didn't spend the rest of his life looking for Pillow World. Also, Rosalin was best girl. I will die on that hill.
The closest comparison I can think of is superman the man who has everything. The idea of immersing one self in a false world only to lose or forget sound terrifying. It's like some weird form of dementia.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS EPISODE This one stuck with me for YEARS and the fact the show and everyone else seemed to have just forgotten it and left it behind as if it were nothing has been so jarring to me for so long now. This episode and it's implications have lived in my head rent free for far too long XD
For me, it's the cat prince episode. Because it builds up to a final battle only to undercut it when Finn realises that they're cats and don't really care about concepts of royalty
Honestly I never thought of Jake’s issues until you mentioned it cause he never really gotten over it till much later when his kids tried to get involved with him on their own.
Thank you for being vulnerable. I'm having a tough time sorting through all of my own shit (probably still trying to find any logic and equating it to meaning), but your personal struggles and where they've led you do resonate with me. I'll keep processing
A content creator I really liked quit recently and someone made a video about his reasons for that and in that video he said. "People appreciate and like things in silence, but people hate things very loudly." it made me think that hitting the like button is one thing but leaving a nice comment can be so much more impactful so thank you SC your videos always entertain and you really be on point for each Helluva Bos episode. I look forward to each and every time one of your videos comes up. Keep it up man and I'll see you in the New Year.
I've always liked this episode but never unpacked it like I have had with others, so this video actually made me appreciate the episode so much more than I already had. So, thank you for that. Which episode has stuck with me the longest is a hard question, as I feel like multiple have stuck with me. Though I'm going to go with the one that made me feel like a turning point for the show is happening when it released, which is "Astral Plane" as while story wise it sets up a lot, the mental side of Finn going through the meaning of creation was really changed my thought process a bit when I was younger. Love all of adventure time so much and thank you for all of your videos talking about it and Fionna and Cake as well. And thank you for opening up a bit at the end it was really relatable.
The Adventure Time episode that's burned into my brain (in the good way) is "Dad's Dungeon". We know from the show, even up to that point, which was fairly early in the show's run, that Finn is a very capable kid growing up into a strong hero. Joshua's recordings point out how much of a squishy baby Finn was, and it highlights how much potential a person has. With the right guidance, any squishy baby can grow up to make positive changes in the world. That's how the best people in the world came to be. "I'm proud of you. You're gonna do great things in this world. I love you, son."
Gotta say it was very interesting to hear someone describe their thought processes surrounding stuff like anxiety, people and social cues, and have it be verbatim to my own. I think including your own personal experience was a great addition to the overall idea of the video and really helped to facilitate your analysis and the point of the episode. Great job!
This was a great video. Makes me want to rewatch that episode lol I loved that you talked about your experience with your struggles too. Glad you've been kind to yourself 💕
12:00 was the moment where i've never felt so relatable in a Sarcastic Chorus Video, i myself struggle with overthinking and anxiety, trying to logically come to the conclusions of why I'm feeling the way i do instead of just accepting it and moving forward. This was a good video and i thank you for opening up about this
I love the quote you shared in this episode. I've never heard it before and that quote and just the solid advice you gave about feelings and moments in our lives makes this one of my favorite episodes. Thank you
12:30 What you said right there really help me with the sickness im going through and my throat, thank you for sharing this beautiful life advice and I bless you and your channel for a very bountiful future and hope other people growing up find this video and have the same relief I had when I was going through this illness.
I wasn’t expecting such a relatable & poignant life lesson out of this analysis. I’m autistic and struggle with the exact same things as you, thank u for this video as adventure time and philosophy are my main special interests rn! Great reminders in here!!
I understand your feelings regarding anxiety and autism cause I've had to face the same struggle with my adhd, and namely the rejection sensitive dypshoria that comes with it and how it continues to affect me to this day. Making me overthink, and the fear of overthinking making it even worse. Or the feelings that I'm annoying people around me because of my hyperactivity. When in reality I'm not bothering anyone. It causes me to hyper analyze my own behavior and things i say.
the thing about fearing a panic attack, and that just leading into a panic spiral, is too goddamn relatable. even with meds and therapy, it still dominates my life. anyway yeah thanks for talking about that.
Hall of Egress is probably the episode of Adventure Time that stuck with me the most. You can avoid a problem even adapt yourself to live with the problem, but it’ll still bite you in the ass every once in awhile till you solve it. I really like that in Fionna and Cake Finn wears a blindfold again and it’s kinda like symbolism for Finn still being in denial about Jake and avoiding his feelings.
11:18 Same here about the throat issues related to anxiety, nice to know I'm not the only one. Great video by the way! Hadn't thought about it like this when I watched it the first time
This is one my favorite episodes of Adventure Time, but yeah I too find it pretty hilarious that Finn have pillow kids with a pillow girl. Not to mention that this episode tried to be way too deep here. Finn has the weirdest taste in girls.
This is reminiscent of Jake and Finn's entire life and afterlife. Finn still through his entire life, didnt want to let go of Jake who passed away decades before, and Jake had already moved on and was enlightened in the afterlife as fulfilled. Finn learned to let Jake go, and Jake learned to hang onto his attachment to Finn, and they were able to reincanate together.
I think, I would like to forget Adventure Time because whenever I try to think of an episode from it I go back to two - the one with the clown nurses kissing Finn and Jake’s feet to heal them and…the deer one.
Omg the deer 💀💀💀 that's the first episode my friend watched because she watched it premiere with me and she REFUSED to watch AT for years 😂😂😂 any time i wanna mess with her, i send her a gif of the deer. I might do that now
I really appreciate the advice section. I'm in a similar boat with all those years of therapy, autism, stress and anxiety... I'm still learning a lot and have a lot left. I really love philosophical lectures for meditation, especially Watts and Ram Das. People always advise to distract from the fear, but the quickest way through is by embracing it and letting it teach and empower you
I thought this episode was just a recreation of an episode from Star Trek: Next Generation. I don't remember what the takeaway from both was, but I know Jean-Luc remembered his life fake life in the end, because the whole thing started with a cursed flute that took him back in time to a long dead civilization who wanted to be remembered as real people.
Having MDD and CPTSD, I intellectualized my feelings a lot. I thought I could table my feelings and get rid of them and never feel them again. And then I had a triggering moment in my life that sent me into a MONTHS long spiral and depressive episode. I learned that it was okay to be upset or bothered by something. And while I still struggle with feeling my feelings, I’ve gotten a lot more gracious with myself. Things still bother you, even if it’s a little bit and that’s okay.
Ironically, the episode that stuck with me the most was the first Fionna and Cake episode. It was the first episode I watched in full and got me into the series. Yes I am still foaming at the mouth over the Fionna and Cake series as it gave the characters that drew me into the show so much room to shine.
First off, love this episode and this video. It was great to get an in-depth understanding, especially since I didn’t know this episode got an Emmy! Second off, i know you don't usually talk about anime, but I think there is aaample ground for a shipping video about the ships in Kaguya-Sama: Love is War. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that mixed up situation.
there's a theory that Pillow World was real, Finn got into it through a wormhole in reality, and the "it was only a dream" comes from the fact that Golb didn't just "chance upon" Finn in the nothingness, but was actively going towards Pillow World to destroy it/rework it into something new, and *that* is why Finn forgets everything. and like. that theory haunted me for a while.
i dont remember exactly what i thought when i first watched this episode, cus i was a child, but i know for a fact it really freaking messed with me as a kid. thats about as close as you can get to an existential crisis as a child with no concept of existence in general
Agree completely. Specially since it's self contained, other good episodes built on stuff we already know, but Hall of egress is just great, funny and deep on its own.
This is great thank you. I think the episode that stuck with me the longest would be 'The Hall of Egress'. I don't really know why, I don't remember much context for the rest of the show and what Finn was going through, but Finn having to live his life voluntarily closing his eyes or he would be sent back to the beginning of the dungeon is such an interesting concept and stuck with me and made me think 'Yeah Adventure time dealt with a lot of existential problems'.
This ep is AT’s take on the Star Trek: TNG episode “The Inner Light”, which is one of the best episodes of Trek ever made. AT did lived up to the task of making their version great as well. There are more Trek references in the ep as well, like Frakes being Adult Finn’s VA, and also the hermit guy is voiced by the same actor as the Grand Nagus in Trek. The following episode to this, “BMO Lost” has Levar Burton (Geordie) as the voice of Bubble/Air. Also, Finn playing the flute after this is a reference to Picard after the Inner Light. I’d love to see a comparison video analysis of the two versions. Like in the Inner Light, the world that Picard experiences is doomed to end because of a supernova, and the whole community knows it. It gets pretty existential as well. Puhoy also has one of my fave AT one-liners: “i remember.. when i was dad,” “im not dead yet!” Great video!
I Remember You. That episode hit me so hard, I had to draw fan art of it that night. I still openly cry when I hear the song. If you've ever had to watch someone you love slowly forget you, this episode will wreck you. I even had Tom Kenny (Ice King) sign my art, expressing to him how much that episode really meant, outside a silly little fantasy cartoon.
15:32 tragic, but maybe not meaningless... If the kids are still around and all of that, even if he forgot, it had meaning... he had love, he made love, he loved his kids, and they will have that memory of him and tell stories to their kids It wasn't all for nothing.
