That time they decided to make a good base Tie Fighter 

They are like Italians just in space

I have the same Star Wars ship book

I was hoping for some one to quote this greate line!

@@owlwaifu4949 I think you mean Japanese.

The TIE fighter was created as a cheap “disposable fighter”, while the Chiss had a different military mentality- so a Chiss Claw craft may look like a TIE, but it could be made from completely different components and materials.

@michaelandreipaon359 Why do you say that?

Bc the umbarans are incredibly advanced

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The Imperials actually did do that in canon. Not with a starfighter unfortunately. I will note the IMHC rocked though..

Played around with the idea, it’s interesting because the umbaran star fighter we see used a similarly shaped pod for the cockpit, so replace the ray shielded pod with a tie fighter pod. Head canon for me was that it could act as a decent interceptor due to its high maneuverability as stated in the Umbaran star fighter wookiepiedia entry.

ah makes sense, it was weird the "cannons" were mounted tilted and not in line with the bigger guns. They being thrusters is actually better as they would allow the spacecraft to perform some crazy manuveurs

That's the point exactly. The Clawcraft is actually quite large and heavy for a TIE, and those thrusters are there to compensate for that, making it extremely maneuverable for a craft of its mass. @@the7observer

I was gonna say, I always thought that was what they were. It makes a lot of sense.

came here to see if someone said something, Thank you!

beat me to it

The Kom'rk starfighters used by the Mandalorians are larger than many shuttles.

Zahn is very consistent about that in a cool way. The Chiss do use fighters in Outbound Flight and Survivor's quest, but they are noted to be quite large. They're considered heavy fighters by Luke and Mara and their size is supposed to be somewhere between 13 and 25 meters long.

Given how difficult and dangerous it is to travel around in the Unknown Regions, my best guess is that the Chiss chose to make whatever Starfighters they had as big and as self-suficiant as they were fast and durable. Something as small as a normal TIE Fighter or X-Wing would probably have an extremely difficult time dealing with the dangers of the Unknown Regions in the event such fighters get cut-off from the larger Starships they're attached to.

​​@@Obiwan7100 But they aren't exactly fighters, the Fang are.

​@@Obiwan7100those are dropships

That’s what they were going for lol.

Look up the Twi'lek Chir'daki Starfighter. That's the truest x-wing tie-fighter hybrid.

TIE Hunter:

The TIE uglies 'series' comes to mind. That's basically TIE and anything else they could find bashed into a functional fightercraft.

​@manny022 nah there were some slace linked ai ships in their elite tie interceptor squadron. They had half a squad of pilots

Yeah the whole subplot of Zsinj setting up a hidden parallel economy inside the New Republic and non-allied Imperial space to produce his own distributed military industrial complex making unique variants of Imperial weapons to fit his own evolving doctrine was pretty cool concept to me. It was an interesting take on how to show how big of a threat Zsinj was in story, without resorting to superweapons or the dark side. It made him a genius on par with Thrawn, but in a different way. While Thrawn had strategy and tactics, Zsinj was purely a logistics mastermind. Where Thrawn had to take dangerous risks and shortcuts to build his forces( the Katana fleet, clones, C'baoth and the cloaking tech) , Zsinj went about ensuring he didn't need any of that, and was able to provide and supply his forces without worrying about being tied to preexisting infrastructure. I mean he was still an Imperial warlord so he had tons of wunderwaffen project's and personal 'elite' vanity units, but those seemed to be supplements to possibly enhance his power, and he didn't rely on them as central to his power projection.

​@MandoWookie that's what I love so much about the EU warlords they were all unique in their own way. Be it their tactics or personalitie quirks there was always something to injoy.

@@MandoWookie Don't forget actively hiring pirates, smugglers and small mercenary units to supplement his own forces, and in the process ensure both he had a steady supply of additional revenue, and potentially necessary supplies by actively disrupting his enemy's ability to transport men, ships and materials between worlds. And in the process use them to put pressure on both the New Republic and other former imperial warlords, while keeping his own controlled territories safe by literally incentivizing such groups to raid literally anyone else.

we also had a TIE Droid in the final mission of the original Rogue Squadron N64 game. no one ever talks about them

You could just read about them on wookiepedia

@@Amp661 but it would be much more fun to hear eck talk about it

No, they eventually came to replace the Fighters but that wasn't until after Endor.

​@@helghast1149Actually, it's both. They originally didn't manage to field enough of them and had to be picky about the pilots who got to fly them, then after Endor they just said "screw it, we're getting broke anyways" and they mass produced the thing to replace the TIE Fighter

OP stated that they weren't able to roll the INT's out before the end of the Civil War. If we're going on Legends material that's false as they were the mainstay Imperial naval fighter (technically interceptor but with shields it was used more in a fighter role) prior to the signing of the Pellaeon-Gavrisom Treaty. I never debated that the Empire didn't field them en masse prior to Endor. They certainly ramped up production prior to Endor but training pilots on new spacecraft takes time so you can imagine that lower enlisted would have been granted the Fighters while more senior enlisted would have flown the Interceptor's and other craft. I think there was just a slight miscommunication in my original comment so sorry if I made it seem like I was unaware. @@infinitespace2520

@@helghast1149 No problem, I know you were aware of it, I was just trying to link OP's comment with yours, sorry if I gave the wrong impression.

@@michaelandreipalon359 yep

Perhaps the unfinished KOTOR 3 game would have explained it

On the topic of Chiss ships, what we do know is that they are built to operate as self-sufficiently as possible and are very versatilely equipped with an array of weaponry. While they were somewhat nerfed in the new canon - which I'll never understand the reason for - in return they've also gotten some satisfyingly Warhammer 40K-esque traits. Such as the fact that they are piloted through hyperspace in real-time by Force-sensitive individuals. In combat they seem to rely more on agility and sophisticated tactics rather than direct brute force, even though a heavy cruiser like Thrawn's Springhawk is already something that, according to the one and only Darth Vader, could tango with a star destroyer one-on-one. And since the 4 man o' war classes they have are even bigger and more powerful, the Ascendancy has a formidable naval force even by wider galactic standards.

I thought the same. They seem like some sort of sensors, or possibly maneuvering thrusters.

It's rule of cool, WW2 bombing run isn't as cool as fighter maneuvers, when we had Y-wing bombers that were already cool.

They're requels, not sequels, so they don't consider it rocky

@@michaelandreipalon359 but then why do capital ships usually use concussion missiles & not proton torpedoes? & why don’t starfighters use more concussion missiles & not proton torpedoes?

@@michaelandreipalon359 mostly from what I’ve observed reading the novels & researching on wookiepedia