The £6999 Middleweight Bargain! 🤑 | Distance Testing The KTM 790 Duke

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KTM 790 Duke is one of the top middleweight naked motorcycles, now with £1000 off could it be the ultimate bargain also?
To find out we ride three bikes to Wales for a Duke Adventure!!
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@steveball2307 8 месяцев назад

Bought my 105hp 2018 for less than £6k with 1500 miles on the clock and did 3000 trouble free miles around Europe this summer as far down as Solvenia. Ergonomics are top class, no aches or pains other than my boney 68 year old bum - even with the comfort seat! Got similar mpg to you with mid 60s for the entire trip. Definitely a keeper.

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Great to hear Steve! 👍

@Reppyboyo 8 месяцев назад

Had a 890 since May after test riding the 2022 790, one of the best bike I have ever ridden, if not the best. £6999 for the 790 is a bargain! Gives you a nice bit of extra change for the more comfy seat (nessacery imo) and maybe the electronics unlocks.

@yumyumbaboon 8 месяцев назад

I had the original “full power” 790 which was a great bike once you dumped the OE teflon tyres and fitted descent brake pads. Most important thing is that the engine/chassis is right as that’s the heart of a good bike - everything else can usually be easily upgraded or changed to suit ones needs.😉

@volt7cooltangs701 2 часа назад

What brakes did you fit please?

@michaelmclarney1994 8 месяцев назад

Great upload Chopsie, it's day trip territory for me living near Worcester and the roads are amazing and the views breathtaking! The KTM looks like a good bike too, with the discount they are head on competitors for Honda's Hornet and I think my choice would be orange 👍

@alanshearing7515 8 месяцев назад

Great looking roads and countryside, looks like everyone had a great time . KTM seam to offer everything one could need depending upon your wallet thickness. As some comments point buy what you can , and upgrade as your pocket money allows. Great video Chops .

@davem3008 7 месяцев назад

Great vid Chopsy... i changed my 790 for a K5 Gixxer 1000 last spring. Was concerned it was going to cost a small fortune when the warranty ran out.... but here i am getting notions of going orange again after warching this 😂

@nickrider5220 8 месяцев назад

Very enjoyable as always Mr Chopsy 👍 there's a reason Wales is very green, it tends to rain a lot !

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Yes indeed! 😄👍

@ianross225 8 месяцев назад

I have an 890 Adventure (non-R) and love it. I only went for the Adventure for year round use and hence needed weather protection. One thing that always looked odd was that silencer which looks like someone got the spect wrong and made it stupidly wide rather than skinny pushing the rear footrest hanger out.

@frumpyspud 7 месяцев назад

I'm lucky enough to live 7 miles away from Leominster [ludlow], it's great seeing you down some of the amazing roads on my doorstep. That moutain road from Elan Vally to Aberystwyth is special! Looking forward to some muddy Chop action.

@headrace4863 8 месяцев назад

A44 into the Elan Valley… one of my favourite rides that one. Awesome bike for the journey as well. Great stuff!! 👍👍

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Yes that's the one, yeah was fantastic what a route! 👍

@deanharris9331 8 месяцев назад

Awesome Chops......love it.❤😊👍 Just a shame about the weather. We've had a fairly long dry spell, but as soon as you get to go on a decent bike ride it rains.......bloody typical. 😂

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Yeah that's it! Bloody typical isn't it 😄👍

@FrankFurther 8 месяцев назад

Nice to see all the local roads

@antonoat 8 месяцев назад

Cracking little bike, mighty impressive indeed. The Elan valley is as gorgeous as it is good to ride! 66mpg could make a cracking little touring bike! 👏😀👍🏍

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Couldn't agree more!

@KnoxArmour 8 месяцев назад

Great and really enjoyable video of a great and long days riding! Just like you, I also spent most of the rest of the ride wishing I was back on the WP pro suspended bike! 😂 Aaron KNOX

@LambChopRides 7 месяцев назад

Was a great little trip Aaron! Looking forward to seeing your vid of the trip 👍

@PutOnYourLid 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Chopsi. This must be one of your best Vids. great Drone shots too!

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it! 😁👍

@neilrd350 8 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed my regular run 😊 Elan valley is an amazing place!!

@Robbiemoto 7 месяцев назад

I’ve ridden and driven around Elan many times. Next time you go head for cross gates cafe for breakfast then head across Elan to devils bridge then return and go around the reservoir. Great views.

@barryjmarling 8 месяцев назад

Living the dream,great video Chop’s.👍🏻

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Thanks 👍😁

@ninjanelly3506 8 месяцев назад

Beautiful part of the world elan and wye valley,went there a couple of months ago,loved it.Cant wait for part 2 chopsy!

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it nelly 👍

@veeken777 8 месяцев назад

Worcestershire to Leominster is my back yard. A49 is the best blast road ever. I did Lem to ABBA to Fishguard to Hereford on my 999s not including stops. In about 5hours

@johnward3490 7 месяцев назад

You did basically my regular elan valley trip. Stunning roads and scenery. That garage you went past “Crossgates” has a great cafe behind it usually loads of bikes with great staff and brill value food. Elan valley has a few dams all really close to each other worth a stop at vistors Center to get a map of them if you haven’t been before. Mountain road to devils bridge then back to Rhayader via the A44.. cheers 👍

@LambChopRides 7 месяцев назад

Thanks John 👍

@johnterry804 8 месяцев назад

Love this video amazing dam! What engineering! But I be mad if I paid full price for a KTM ? Now with the massive discounts they are giving?

@marksmith8663 8 месяцев назад

Nice as always great video. I live 30 miles from n/wales great road . Just not so much fun keeping a super duke to new 20mph on long stretches of roads . It’s 1st gear all the time not so quiet of Ecco friendly. I wonder if i should of bought the 890 or 790 never risen them , to compare. tho i be missing the cruise control and ktm panniers the super duke offer .

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Cruise control is an option on 790/ 890 😁👍

@GillyBikes 8 месяцев назад

I really enjoyed this. Really was a good watch. My channel is getting there but I’m a few years off getting invited to anything like this. 😭. At least I get to enjoy watching you and Kate doing it. ❤

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Thanks buddy 👍

@shadowred1980 8 месяцев назад

Great stuff. Looking forward to the off road bit. Looks like we will need a brolly. :D

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

A brolly, your going to need a snorkel!! 😄👍

@davidellis2021 8 месяцев назад

Those bubbles in the hot tub - they weren't DIY were they?

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Haha, some were! 🤣👍

@phillbell6927 2 месяца назад

😂

@Dayn-Ryder4life 8 месяцев назад

Great vid! Does anyone except me not have issues with the right foot hitting the exhaust shield (pushing foot off line) on the 790/890s?

@tracktime1196 8 месяцев назад

Never mind the bikes I wanted to see Kate in the hot tub 🤭 brilliant review though Chopsy and the 790 sounds like a bargain can't wait for the next upload it looks like great fun

@noeserd 8 месяцев назад

Cant wait for a direct comparison with hornet 750

@roypledger77 8 месяцев назад

I test rode one the other day, fantastic bike, I bought a new 790 adventure.

@PDCRed 8 месяцев назад

I live near Broadway tower and headed a very similar route towards Aberystwyth on Friday just gone. Some great roads which are very quiet after Herefordshire.

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Yes fantastic arnt they 👍

@johnDukemaster 8 месяцев назад

I've been there! At that dam. That little house attached to it, in the middle of it, is a staircase to the bottom. Me and my mates were allowed to go down by the caretaker who was there to do the checkups. We said "thanks but no thanks!" I was there 2019 and I absolutely love Wales! Uh, by the way, I'm picking up my new 790 Duke tomorrow! Though an "old" one from 2020. 30km on the clock and I'm the one who put them there!

@pauldownes5345 8 месяцев назад

What a stunning back drop oh the bikes ok too 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Thanks 👍

@paulfowler7618 8 месяцев назад

Whats the place you stayed at with the hot tub? Great video as always and had the 790 been £7000 when i bought my hornet I might have gone for it instead as I was replacing my 390duke

@caspianprince 8 месяцев назад

I just rode my 790 (2020) 350 miles up the motorway and back the other weekend. It's way better at it than anyone would give it credit for, though I have added the PowerParts gel seat and a tiny flyscreen. Also know this ... when you run out of petrol on the M42, it turns out it does 96mpg if you nurse it along at 50mph. Ps. is the fuelling fixed yet or is it still utter shite?

@adec1044 8 месяцев назад

Ok Diner is West of Worcester Chopsy. Leominster and Pembridge are in Herefordshire. Roads are OK round here (I live In Hereford) and ride a KTM 390 Adventure, definitely wouldn't want a sports bike on the roads round here, the surface can let them down, especially with the local farmers trying to grow whatever it is they constantly leave on the roads. :) .

@stephenchapman8344 8 месяцев назад

Owned one for two years. Only downside was riding in town or heavy traffic. Was not the smoothest. 😂

@matthewday9898 8 месяцев назад

This is great ride Ive not long done this from Aylesbury Buckinghamshire and back all in one day on a k4 gsxr 600 one of the best days riding I’ve had (my wrists did not agree with that 😂) the duke is a far better choice !

@prof.2248 7 месяцев назад

KTM always had best hp/kg ratio and fun factor, but always problem with realibility...

@victorgonza4528 8 месяцев назад

Good one Chops

@rogerkay8603 8 месяцев назад

Will be chopping my 390 commuter in for one of these soon if P&H do me a deal. The 390 is excellent, and I have my XSR900(LC) for weekends but really fancy one of these

@simonbeal2148 8 месяцев назад

the elan valley as spectacular as ever

@lukaszg74 7 месяцев назад

Any chance to know where those shots at 19.30 mark where filmed please

@johnnygeorgopoulos4072 7 месяцев назад

Which dam was that, the Pen, Llyn, or Craig? (Not like I have any idea what I said or if I'm even close lol, I just looked up "Welsh Dams" and those were the three that popped up, but they all looked very similar 😅)

@TheScortUK 8 месяцев назад

Can't beat a bit of Fish Hill 😎

@saifskyline 7 месяцев назад

More GSXR 1000R content needed

@indiamelia639 8 месяцев назад

I can't belive you've never been to the Elan Valley chops. Some of the best roads in the UK are within an hour of there. Mid Wales is beautiful. Get yourself over to Lynn Brianne, the road around there is mental.

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

I know I will certainly be going back! 👍

@nicholasjarrold8649 16 дней назад

I do love ktm’s but it’s put me off being made in china I’ve had 3 1290 adventures loved them so much but found they are just to high and top heavy now for me I now ride a2023 rocket gt and that is so much fun I was sceptical about that but it’s great but watching your video on this 790 scalpel as a second bike it’s got me thinking but have to be the R version with everything on it how much would that be bye for now waiting for part 2 👍

@TheMissendenFlyer 8 месяцев назад

Loved that Chopsy you went to some of my favourite spots - you do make me larf.....great to see Kate too! So would you rather have the baby Duke or a Triumph Street Triple?? Oh and everyone needs a barometer OK.....

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Hi Andy and thanks buddy 👍 Should have guessed you own a barometer 😁 I've actually not tried the non RS Street Triple so I guess I better sort that out!

@paulfowler7618 8 месяцев назад

But even the R street is 9.5 grand so not really a fair comparison. I would compare the standard 890 to the street triple R and this price wise compares to the trident.

@jorgecastaneda6639 2 месяца назад

I am struggling between the Duke 790 and the Hornet 750. But, when I see the Duke I am simply in love, I just adore this bike. Am I about to make a mistake?

@MrBiggles 8 месяцев назад

Great vid cheers Chopsy any chance you could give us the route you took out to Wales? 👍🏻

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

I honestly have no clue as was just following and not navigating myself. I think it was basically the A44 from Worcester to Abba 👍

@MrBiggles 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Chops heading out that way again this month so I’ll try that route cheers 👍🏻

@ojoimages 8 месяцев назад

So Chopsy, I’ve had my Duke 890 (non R) for 18 months and 7000 miles. Been mulling the £1600 WP upgrade. Worth taking the plunge?? I’ve added decent pads and got the wavy galfers that improve brake feel no end. Nice drop btw!

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Well I think it depends what you plan to do with the bike and how you ride. If you like to get a shift on you will most certainly notice it, go anywhere near a track and it will be night and day different! I also found it fantastic over potholes, just gives the bike extra support and doesn't crash. 👍

@codenamenoob4973 8 месяцев назад

Trade her in and get the R those brembo stylema brakes are something else

@ojoimages 8 месяцев назад

B and C road thrashing! And our local roads are shockers!! Trading upto the R…🤔🤔. It’s tempting esp as the 2 yr warranty is near its end

@RupeWilson Месяц назад

Definitely interested in the suspension upgrade but is it worth the £1500 outlay.

@riggsyb 8 месяцев назад

Really funny watching a video of someone else who doesn't know them well, riding all the roads I know so well and come to take for granted at times @Lamb Chop Rides !!! Great bike to ride them on to be fair... I was PMSL at your "east of Worcester" comments as a resident of Worcester... Fair to say Geography isn't your strong point eh! You were still claiming to be east of Worcester when you were at least 45mins west of Worcester! 😂 Keep up the good videos anyway... 👍🏻

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Haha geography wasn't one of my best subjects at School 😄👍

@furnacemountainrides 8 месяцев назад

I’ve always wanted a Duke 👍🏼

@davewestsk8 8 месяцев назад

I'm going for the gsx 8s over the 790.

@judge831 8 месяцев назад

Why?

@Bow-to-the-absurd 8 месяцев назад

@@judge831reliable. Looks decent.

@chriswest2290 8 месяцев назад

Yep. Jap made too 👍

@michaeldavies7660 6 месяцев назад

Chops what's it actually like for your physical build; im similar stats to you? do you look small on it?

@LambChopRides 6 месяцев назад

Yeah it looks a bit small if your a larger rider unfortunately 😕

@Rust_valleyracing 8 месяцев назад

Rhayader rhy ar dar with the clock in the road 😂😂

@clownworld-honk410 8 месяцев назад

Do you think the benefits would be noticeable for a lighter rider with the suspension upgrade?

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Yes absolutely, it handles pot holes much better and the whole bikes just feels better connected to the road. The standard ones pretty good but the upgraded one is fantastic. I would say really depends what you want to do with it and how hard your going to push it 👍

@clownworld-honk410 8 месяцев назад

@@LambChopRides OK. Thanks for the advice. I'm looking for a more comfortable ride than my GSXR1000 K5 so considering options. Obviously, the price of this KTM makes it an attractive proposition.

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Yeah it certainly does, really is unbelievable value for 7k!!

@youtubed9695 8 месяцев назад

Chopsy you need to ride my 890R with full exhaust + remap making 121bhp at the wheel.. with 10kg weight reduction and 135+bhp its a proper weapon

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

I bet it is!! 🙌

@Rolilasx 8 месяцев назад

7k is still too much for a chinese bike! Fun video though, thanks!

@gss6531 8 месяцев назад

I was looking at the 790, but went for the 890R instead 🙃

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Nothing wrong with that! 👍

@gss6531 8 месяцев назад

@@LambChopRidesDefinitely not, just my riding ability or lack of 😂😂

@MinhThuan998 7 месяцев назад

it's strong bike and happinest for rider. I wil buy it but not cheap in VietNam :D, nearly 15,000 usd.

@stephenmcqueen4029 8 месяцев назад

Elan Valley reservoir

@Dan-cg8zl 7 месяцев назад

Hey Chopsy, do u think u feel/look too small for the bike mate? I am an inch shorter than you and about the same size and I worry that I'll look/feel too small on the bike.

@LambChopRides 7 месяцев назад

Yeah I look too big on it, but doesn't feel to small while riding

@Sc50001 8 месяцев назад

Nice😎👍

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Thanks ✌

@youtubed9695 8 месяцев назад

Are you I Wales yet 😂

@johnhart868 8 месяцев назад

Nice bike hope the reliability comes with it.

@Mancastle 8 месяцев назад

I think at this point they've been making these parallel twins for a long time, should be good.

@Inked_CR 8 месяцев назад

@Mancastle it's not the engines that have the issues. It's everything else 😂

@johnhart868 8 месяцев назад

I had two both had issues.

@Mancastle 8 месяцев назад

@@Inked_CR sad to hear, I've had a KTM 1090 for 2 years and not a single issue even once, maybe quality has went down

@JinKazama92 8 месяцев назад

This Cfmoto build 790 engine has reached 50000km in 1 year. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aNaP6zUOz0Q.htmlsi=aYkLUyS_6gbGXVix

@judge831 8 месяцев назад

I can barely hear the engine. Were you keeping it under 5k rpm the whole time?

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Nice useable low down power! 😁👍

@magaudion 8 месяцев назад

That poor suspension 😀

@magaudion 8 месяцев назад

Will it need a rebuild ? 🤔

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

What the suspension?? Probably 😄

@ticthedog6095 8 месяцев назад

Is the 790 a Chinsky KTM? Elan valley is a beautiful part of the world and Rhayader is the home of ET James who are very active is supporting enduro and the Rhayader M/C who will be putting on a round of the world enduro championships in 2024

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

OK thanks for the info 👍

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 8 месяцев назад

6,999 is a real bargain. Nick J

@arfb8 8 месяцев назад

Clutch problems again 😂

@joebloggs1583 8 месяцев назад

I’ve always wanted 95 Chinese horses 😎👍

@_Archambaud 8 месяцев назад

👍

@TheLastCrankers 25 дней назад

Idk how it either went up in price or is it just a regional pricing difference, but it’s now £9200, putting it on par with mt-09 and the street tripple, rather than usual 700s in the mid class. Edit: we also don’t get any of the tech you’re praising. Idk what KTM is doing with this one.

@LambChopRides 25 дней назад

On the KTM UK website it's listed at £7,999.. not sure where you are seeing £9200?

@TheLastCrankers 25 дней назад

@@LambChopRides sorry for misleading you, I see I missed a part of the message. I don’t mean the British KTM, it’s the equivalent of 9200£ in Poland, which I didn’t expect since it’s the same bike in theory (legislation, emissions, etc). I was just being jealous that it’s slightly better value over in your country. It’s such a sweet bike and tempts me so much, but this price is so hard to justify. Equivalent of £800 difference to the triumph street triple (£1000 with the fancy white paint job), or £2000 less for the Honda hornet which also is a cracking bike.

@LambChopRides 25 дней назад

@TheLastCrankers ah OK gotcha 👍

@pyrodoll2422 8 месяцев назад

Such a shame our Welsh council, sorry, "government" hates motorists and tourists.

@James_Rides 8 месяцев назад

I do love the sound of these.. particularly the adventure. I just worry it’ll feel like a grom.. they look TINY!

@drbigmix7752 8 месяцев назад

😂 I live near there and I own a 790

@grtbgf 8 месяцев назад

Why can't KTM's amazing engineering make a tft with faster changing speedo intervals.. they update only like twice per second, its so annoying.. otherwise great bike i'm looking into.

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Actually most bikes are like this, not many which refresh at a super fast rate. Aprilia do... that's all I can think of

@grtbgf 8 месяцев назад

@@LambChopRides Yeah aprilia's looks super fancy. However my little honda's lcd refreshes faster than ktm..

@davidstiglitz4341 8 месяцев назад

"Nicer with a bit more rear up" Chops, what are you saying......

@Ukmongoose3 8 месяцев назад

Can anyone else see the big seagull in the tank, eh, Chopsy, can you see it?

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Yup I know what you mean 😄👍

@talkingrock7011 8 месяцев назад

You had me until the Chinese HP comment

@steve-wu7jp 8 месяцев назад

Good price , not crazy on the looks but it seems like a very solid bike

@markcartwright1176 8 месяцев назад

👍👍👌👌🍊🍊

@lestersmyth692 8 месяцев назад

Rather than upgrade the suspension why not buy the 890 you’ll pick one up new for 9k if you shop around. You need to stop salivating around Kate it’s embarrassing 😳

@flexywing 8 месяцев назад

Everyone salivate around Kate😂

@johnDukemaster 8 месяцев назад

I tested both and I find the 790 (the old one) more rock'n'roll and suits me better. I found the 890 to be a bit too BMW'ish. Nothing wrong with that. But I like the rawness of the 790 better. That's me!

@xjsonx 8 месяцев назад

This or an RS660?

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Hmm good question, the RS 660 more of a sportsbikes, the Tuono 660 is quite a simalar feeling bike. Bit more money though and not ridden it in years so hard to compare from memory sorry

@flexywing 8 месяцев назад

Another bike for you to test

@wesley290 7 месяцев назад

All the better reason to test the Tuono 660 Factory then...

@PBSONE555 6 месяцев назад

Kate not in the hot tub?

@Lifeofrejkjaer 8 месяцев назад

Kates link aint workin btw.

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Good spot, fixed now 👍

@Lifeofrejkjaer 8 месяцев назад

@@LambChopRides good chopsy 😁

@thomasperl1172 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video, own a Duke 790 by myself, FYI i find your line selection on the video extremly dangerous and so like i dont know who to 2 it..., SY

@sambagogo777 8 месяцев назад

Doing a quick search of 'KTM 790 reliability' might provide an answer as to why the price has been cut!

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

This new version it heavy updated compared to the original one, I would say all the issues are probably resolved..

@flexywing 8 месяцев назад

As per Choppsie says let's hope so

@sambagogo777 8 месяцев назад

@@LambChopRides I sure hope they're getting on top of the widely discussed reliability issues with some of their motorcycles because I'm contemplating getting a 1390 Super Duke R Evo next year.

@mart7798 8 месяцев назад

if you look online for reliability issues for any vehicle,you'll find them. half the people who talk about ktm reliability,have never owned one,and the rest want a platform to vent their anger. just buy one,if its crap,sell it. i bought one,its great,if it upsets me it'll go!simples!

@johnDukemaster 8 месяцев назад

@@mart7798 True!

@UsernameKate 7 месяцев назад

Pretty sure this is the second tine youve accused me of scatting 🤣🤣 usernamescatter 💩

@LambChopRides 7 месяцев назад

Haha yes I think your right Kate! 💩🫵😄

@markbenson7670 8 месяцев назад

Come on chopsy you can't keep promoting knox and not give use a 10% discount code .we are waiting

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

I will try! 😁👍

@Omar-kw5ui 8 месяцев назад

Ofcourse the bike looks good with Kate sat on it 6:50. But otherwise, for people 6ft and above, you just look like a clown riding a kids bike. The same goes for most middle weights. I just don't understand why they don't build sporty bikes that are slightly bigger that's not a sports tourer. I'm pretty sure a lot of tall guys go the sports tourer / ADV route cause they don't wanna get laughed at. Its like being spotted in a fiat 500 (sorry fiat 500 drivers).

@LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

Yes I do agree, its why I like the 890 SMT. MT-09 isnt to bad a size however..

@Omar-kw5ui 8 месяцев назад

Yeah I saw your review of the SMT and I was very interested. I agree the MT is a actually good size and that includes the XSR too. But for me its the looks that put me off. Let's hope Yamaha releases an R9 with similar dimensions as the nakeds soon. @@LambChopRides

@GCTO239 8 месяцев назад

Why should you upgrade this China bike? Rather buy a proper bike which is built in a factory with workers who are organised in a union.

@johnDukemaster 8 месяцев назад

A Union is not always the best solution. And actually, the bike can be proper even if the Union isn't. I know you mean well. But where to we say stop? Phones? Cars? So many things are made in China, it's difficult finding a product who isn't. And what about the things within? Not an easy task doing the "right thing" here!

@GCTO239 8 месяцев назад

@@johnDukemaster actually I really care and avoid products from China. My smartphone was built in Korea, every single bike I have owned or currently own was built in Japan. The cars I have owned and currently own were built, Germany, Korea and Japan. My hiking and camping gear and most of my clothes are from Europe or fairtrade products. I could go on...Amazon is also a no...But you know what? Nobody is perfect. I only try to do everything I can. Some things are not under our control. I don't want to teach and convince people. People should do the things they want to do...fair enough. But it is not for me. Take care!

@johnDukemaster 8 месяцев назад

@@GCTO239 Thanks mate! Cheers!