He never gave up on a play, standing deep in his net looked awkward but his reflexes and his flexibility were off the charts. Keenan said a few weeks ago he kept Belfour in Chicago over Dom out of loyalty. Big mistake.
As an avid Stars fan who lived this....a very well-done, even-handed and comprehensive video. I had never seen the video before, of Stars players reacting to the Edmonton goal. One thing I would add. The March 1999 memo clarifying the crease rule was due to an embarrassing play that had been ruled illegal. On the play a player skates in on a breakaway at a sharp angle. He skates directly through the crease with the puck entirely in his control, a fabulous moving pulling the goalie away, opening up a giant yawning open net and slotting it upstairs for a spectacular goal. But....his skate was in the crease when he shot it. The puck was outside. It was absurd to not count this goal, but the rule was clear and offered no interpretation. That's why the league sent the memo out. It was rare to change a rule in the middle of the season but this goal made it's absurdity obvious. Had that goal not occurred Hull's goal is probably disallowed.
sabres fans still haven't recovered from this moment. controversy is unfortunate but man it cements plays like this in a different sort of way. just like how flames fans have never recovered from that 2004 scf game 6 "no goal"
And they shouldn't. I remember watching it live with my friend and we were super entertained... we were like "oh this is crazy! they are going to have to bring the teams back out!"... in my mind there is definitely an asterisk next to that cup. The only time (at least in my lifetime) I think of a Stanley Cup as being stolen.
@@cassiusdhami9215 But that one does not have a conclusive replay. Before you respond google the parallax effect. I think it was in too but the replay is not 100% conclusive.
The 90s Sabres jersey was one of the best, along with the circa '97-'04 Pittsburgh Panthers football jersey and the mid to late 90s Villanova basketball jersey.
@@ObscuraDeCapra Dallas’ current look is one of the best in the league. What they moved on to after that big star look (too busy for my taste, also reminds me too much of those silly Flying V sweaters) now those were uninspired, rote, awful looking.
@@selfaccountable3464 Don't care if you were on the ice. Wasn't legal, the memo wasn't a legal rule change. Follow your own advice and suck it yourself.
@@selfaccountable3464. Of course it was legal to an employee of the Dallas Stars. BTW, Hulls foot was in the crease. Illegal at the time. No goal. Suck it.
Think it they disallowed it at 3 am on a dumb rule like the skate in the crease….This is probably one of those plays that would have been controversial either way.
This is probably the best RU-vid video about this moment because of how you explained such a controversial call in such a neutral manner. It helps this young Sabres fan who wasn’t even alive when this happened to get a better understanding of this hockey monstrosity. Nice video!
As a Stars fan who watched this play out live, it drives me crazy when this is explained and the ‘attacking player w/possession addendum’ isn’t discussed. Very well done here indeed!
I was pulling heavily for the Sabres in the Stanley Cup Finals after the Devils had lost in game 7 in the first round (Jagr forced OT with about a minute left). Buffalo could not score in this game. Hasek was single handedly keeping them alive.
Except it is wrong. Kicking the puck does not transfer possession. Written rule in the NHL. Hull never had possession of the puck until we shot it in the net. So he was in the crease twice while not having active possession by NHL rules. His foot was in the crease twice before he had possession and finally shot the puck in. The video is great, but the explanation of the rule at the end is inherently false based on the rules at the time. Kicking a puck does not count as possession.
If I may add some of the story… I was a reporter at the (infamous) 1999 Draft in Boston. On the day of the draft, I found Scotty Bowman (then coach of my Red Wings) just standing alone, so I approached him - and we had about a 20 min one-on-one. He told me that the GMs had a conference call earlier that morning (which I believe was just a few days after ‘the goal’) where it was explained to him and the others on the call that a worker at the Aud opened the gates for the media to come on the ice just 8 seconds after the goal was scored, and that played a big part in why the refs refused to do a review of the goal, and that the league did apologize to the Sabres. Also, evidently Lindy Ruff practically kicked in the refs dressing room door trying to get them to review the goal. One more interesting point: it was widely reported - and is still lore - that Derian Hatcher of that 1999 Stars team was the first American-born captain to lead his team to the Cup. This is only partially true. While in the NHL era, starting in 1917, Hatcher is indeed the first. However, in 1915, the Vancouver Millionaires won the Cup (still the city’s only Cup win) and the team was led by Si Griffis, their Captain who was raised in Rat Portage, Ontario… but he was actually born in Onaga, Kansas, making him the first US-born Captain of a Cup winning team. (FWIW, I wrote to the HHOF about this several times with no response)
It's been 25 years. I still remember being in this dingy little dining hall/bar of my friend's church watching the game. I still remember my friend and I shouting "NHL '99!" at the TV whenever Buffalo had a scoring chance because my friend said he just got it on the Playstation right before Buffalo got one of their goals. I still remember my dad and I listening to the game on the radio as we drove back home between OT1 and OT2. I still remember standing in my family living room, pointing to the TV and saying "He was in the crease." as my dad flopped back into his chair. I still remember the confusion in my mind when I flopped into bed about 30 minutes later. I thought I was over it all. Then I remembered.
Took a visit to the hockey hall of fame earlier this summer. They had a large video board playing a clip from a documentary about the No Goal. Suddenly, a random dude walked past the board and yelled "No goal, you cheaters!". Being from Buffalo, it made my day and stung a little. Thanks for making a great video on the topic!
I found this channel about a 1/3 of the way through last season and I fell Inlove. Best hockey RU-vidr by FAR. The presentation and knowledge is absolutely top notch.
Hardcore Dallas fan here. As an 11-year old watching this happen live, I'll never forget the moment Brett Hull was interviewed and the reporter told him of the controversy about the gwg. Brett Hull's words, "Well aren't you a joy kill." Never forgot that moment.
The Eagle vs The Dominator, I think it was Scotty Bowman that said the only reason it's called the Stanley Cup is because calling it the "We have a better goalie than you" cup would take to long. That goal divided classrooms, fights would break out at recess and teachers would argue with students for a year or 2 over that one.
Stars fan here who lived and died through this and every other Stanley Cup run since they moved to Dallas. This was an EXCELLENT breakdown. Quite possibly the best I’ve ever come across. Given how many time the Stars have come up short of hoisting the Cup since, we may be entering curse territory at this point!
I’m pulling for Buffalo to have a good year this year. It’s been far too long since this upset and they were such a fun team to watch growing up. I remember I commented something about being disappointed as a Canucks/jets fan, but Sabres fans arguably have it worse lol 😊
Fun fact for any gamers: Brett Hull's "foot in the crease" goal was scored on the same day that the very first version of Counter-Strike was publicly released.
I watched this game live on TV when I was in high school. I wanted the Stars to win largely because of Modano and Hull, but always though that while "conceptually" the Hull goal was OK, it was still outside of the letter of the law and thus shouldn't have stood. I'm pretty sure I never heard about the NHL memo from earlier that season, even in subsequent years, but after reading it, the league's "halfass" justification doesn't look so bad, anymore. In fact, that little skate-kick to his own stick by Hull does justify "possession" of the puck, and according to the NHL memo, it's a good goal. I know that isn't going to matter to Sabres fans, but I feel like there is finally some clarity about that series now that I've seen the actual wording of the pre-playoffs memo.
Sabres fan here, I was 8 years old when this series took place, all I remember is the beginning of game 1. The most heartbreaking Sabres loss in my life is game 7 of the '06 Eastern Conference Finals. My eyes welled up the next morning
Same man about those 06 Sabres. That was the best Sabres team we ever had. Remember Tim Connolly in the playoffs that year before the Sens took him out? Then in the ECF, 4 out of 6 of our starting defense all hurt. Losing Tallinder was so bad because him and Lydman were playing so shut down. Then losing Jay Mckee after that was the worst though. That was our year and we win in 6 if they dont all get hurt in that series.
Man I don’t know how you found the footage at 11:23 but that is awesome. I wish the NHL still caught the emotion like this. It’s also rich that the Stars owner wanted to get rid of the rule… and in the end, it won his franchise a cup lol
There was a playoff game from a season prior where PJ Axellson on the Bruins had a game winning goal disallowed due to the foot in the crease rule, and the Bruins would later lose the game. I've been looking for footage of that no-goal for like 20 years.
Speaking as a Sabres fan, while this was brutal most Sabres fans see the '05-'06 elimination as more painful. The best team in the league that only lost because every defenseman got hurt and they were using numbers 7,8,9 and 10 on the depth chart. The '98-'99 team holds a special place but nothing close to '05-'06.
I remember staying up watching that game. The absolute anxiety battling with elation (as a young Stars fan at the time) on whether or not the goal would stay kept me awake until the next night. Glad to have gotten to see the Stars win the Cup, but definitely wish it'd happened without the controversy. Hasek was an absolute beast, and nearly carried that team to a cup.
Nah, the new foot in the crease is the phantom goalie interference calls when a puck goes in nine seconds after a goalie whacks a skater in the shins with his stick.
lol. Weak, incorrect take. There's nothing wrong with enforcing offside. It's against the rules. Do you wanna just get rid of all video review? Go watch House of Cards or Game of Thrones or some other childish nonsense if you don't care about the integrity of sports.
I relate it more to the "distinct kicking motions" that seem to go 50/50 either way, as they're both more directly related to a goal. Although, when it comes to the nitpickiest of "I think the tag on his jersey is still on the line before the puck" type nitpicking, the foot in the crease is up there.
@@joshuaneal7552lol he's right. When a player has his skate in the o-zone by an inch and is not even involved in the play that's actually the exact same level of nonsense rule!
@@tomblade If you're in ahead of the play, you're in ahead of the play. How do you _actually_ measure offside? How many inches (how many millimeters) is no longer "close enough"? A rule like offside SHOULD not and CANNOT be subjective. The crease rule WAS dumb. Offside is NOT. Are you for getting rid of offside? If so, then your argument is understandable. But if you agree with keeping offside a rule, then you can't be all "close enough" about it. It's no different than "everyone's a winner." A rule is a rule. While the crease rule was dumb, at the time, it should have been enforced as is. However, I've heard the explanation that Hull had control, then stepped out, kept possesion, then stepped back in, and that the league had already sent a memo clarifying that that was within the rules, so it looks like a good goal to me. I've defended Hull on this for a quarter century. If the league was being dishonest to protect itself, then that sucks. If they were being accurate and truthful, then that's good. I just want to see a fair game. In my opinion, winning unfairly is a far worse feeling than losing fairly, as the game itself is bigger than anyone else.
It's so wild that the league didn't make that memo tweaking the rule public... What is the possible rationale to not letting the fans know when any rule has been tweaked, let alone the most controversial rule? There still would have been arguments around whether or not kicking the puck up to the stick should count as 'possession', but it wouldn't have been nearly as controversial as it was if everybody including the announcers had been aware of that memo.
Jere Lehtinen is the most underrated player of all time and it's not even close. Scored the first goal of the game on a shot Hasek would stop 999/1000 times, then got the puck on goal for an A on Hulls OT winner. Won multiple Selkes as a winger. Yet you will barely hear him mentioned once, including this video. You wont see him in the highlite pacjage lifting the cup, or doing intervuews after the game etc Lehtinen was the clutch player, and both times Hull scored here, Lehtinen was the name you hear before he scores.
I was born in Buffalo, and honestly the feeling of hopelessness at the time was palpable. Both the major teams, the Bills and Sabres, got so close to getting over the hump and winning the city a victory in sports. Only to watch the Four Falls with the Bills and then watch the Sabres get back to the finals after 24 years, and lose it thanks to a rule that'd later be changed. Not to mention that a year later began the Flutie Curse. Being a Buffalo fan is pain.
William McKinley curse still lingers He was shot&killed in Buffalo (sound familiar) at the worlds fair Legend claims it was the citys first chance to shine on the worlds stage, failed so anytime Buffalo is involved in anything major they stumble… Buffalo Braves NBA team anyone? 90-93 Bills? 99Sabres&Bills At least the Buffalo Bandits win titles!!
They’re remaking them under the fancy fanatics branding (it’s 9 am on a Monday I’m not checking the official name lol) for Modano. Not hyper authentic but pretty good.
@@ShamanicEnzan I heard about about that. Under Mitchell and Ness. And for what I understand, the jerseys will be more higher quality than the old Mitchell and Ness.
@@MrJonnyGunn I have one from the Modano Statue night in Dallas, it's good. Definitely don't pay retail though lol. I think they're on sale on nhlshop....
At the next season's Buffalo home opener, fans began chanting, "NO GOAL! NO GOAL!" before the national anthem was finished! Fans were wearing t-shirts featuring the overhead photo of Hull's skate in the crease.
This is the first time anyone bringing up this goal being unbiased. What a well written narrative! This is so well written - I seriously love this way of unbiased takes on so interesting hockey moments. Thank you for this - I finally can feel less hurt from this crime against the GOAT goalie Dominik Hašek.
I remember these games very well and while I was routing for the Dallas Stars I had a glimpse of a skate inside the ring. I thought they were gonna have to go back on ice. I went to bed as I was too exhausted. Thanks for clarifying the NHLs ruling. Good shit.
Most people in the comments seem to be more sympathetic to the Sabres, which is fair enough. However it's a shame that Stars fans have to contend with their only cup being so shrouded by controversy. I hope they get another cup soon
I'm a Stars fan and I live in Buffalo. I love arguing with Sabres fans about this. It just might be the Stars only Stanley Cup in my lifetime. Until the Stars win another one or if they win another one, I can always say they won their only Stanley Cup in my backyard
Obviously still bothers you guys because you know it was genuine bs. That said, I still would’ve bet on the Stars to win game 7 because their team much stronger. But you won it on some bs, that’s just how it happened.
@@kyleconnor2759 Oh yeah, Stars fans are so bothered. Tell me, how the fuck many videos have been made targeted at Stars fans reassuring us that we actually won? Fucking none. Now how many have been made shitting on Buffalo fans that can't accept their teams are all trash and will always be trash and also they don't know how hockey works? DOZENS, and that's just the ones made by randos on RU-vid. Cope and seethe, Buffalosers.
Absolutely love these historic episodes. Way before I started watching or playing (we were baseball fans mostly at that point), but it's so damn fascinating to see how the game has evolved in 25 years. Best hockey channel on youtube, or maybe even the internet.
Love the toughness of NHL players. No other sport has guys like these. Just on the stars team. Hull had a groin injury, Modano played ~14 games with a broken wrist. Soft cast and nova-cane injections just before each period.
This was the era I grew up watching and I remember being thrilled by the superstar goalies; all my friends and I only ever wanted to go pro between the pipes. Dominator, Cujo, Roy, the Eagle, Osgood, and of course Martin Brodeur got me so excited then and they still do today.
Buffalo's existence is to be a punchline in pretty much any sport (Besides Lacrosse). Buffalo's only known by a few sayings so far. "No Goal" , "WIde Right" & "13 Seconds".
Okay, I'm about to watch this: but I think you should know that I'm from Dallas, but was stationed in San Diego during this time. California (West Coast) airs live "prime-time" games beginning at 5 or 6 PM. This game got over at 11 PM! I cannot fathom how Central Standard Time (Texans) or ESTers (Buffalo) survived! Also, to any sports fan, we ALL have felt the bitterness of defeat by a lousy call. It sucks. ... I mean, of course, not this time. No way! Stanley Cup Stars, baby!
I have wondered about this goal since it happened! Thank you for taking the time to explain about the rule update that, unfortunately, nobody knew about.
Yup, I followed hockey closely this year and never heard anything about it. Nobody heard about it until at least the day after the stanley cup was awarded, maybe two. I think it's revisionist history tbh.
As someone who lives in Buffalo, it's not just the skate in the crease, its the fact that to this day, the only professional sports team to win a championship for our city is our Buffalo Bandits. A lacrosse team. We had an NBA team, the Buffalo Braves that left the city in 1978. We also never had a MLB team. Therefore, the only sports teams that could win a major championship are the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres. We don't have the luxury of other big cities having 4 different teams competing for that glorious victory in sports. That's the major reason this day in Sabres history haunts us to this day. We were this close, and the dreams of a championship parade stick with us to this day.
Hasek was brilliant. I played goal in ice hockey, but never to any real competitive level. I remember making a few pretty stunning looking saves but many were really just kind of lucky. Hasek made stunning saves all the time. There may have been a few lucky saves for him, but he was all talent and one of the best. A pleasure to watch.
I don't religiously watch hockey videos but this was really good! My next paragraph has some loosely actual things related to the video. The rest is just me talking personal thoughts of a couple of teams. I just dumped all that crap below. So be warned, you might strain your eyes and brains. I get as far as the Blackhawks with it.. Those Stars and Sabres jerseys, man.. In the arguably most fun period of hockey, with the most entertaining goalies. I'm not native to NA so I always picked a team I like based on the players I liked in the NHL. On that period, it was the Sabres because of Hasek. Then after a few-year break of watching the NHL, I started to like the Blackhawks. It was around the time when Kane and Toews started playing. I still root for the Blackhawks, but I enjoy watching the Sabres and Stars. Another big one for me in the '90s was the Avalanche. I love them nowadays as well, they have Rantanen from my home country and has the same last name as I do. And he is gooood. Obviously not the only reason though. Another off topic remark: I hope the Blackhawks dig their way out of the mudpuddle they soaked and stirred, to grow to be a stronger team. There are pieces of a puzzle with lots of unfitting shapes and sizes. I hope they get one sharp boxcutter, which would even out the whole picture and the spaces between. They have the big piece on the center, which they can move around a bit, but the corners, sides and spaces between all that need some serious thought as well as trying, failing and getting better. The failing part preferably being the less frequent repetition of the aforementioned ones for the upcoming years. Lots of rambling about different teams and players, but that concludes my personal experience as an enjoyer of the sport.
I turned 10 years old as a Long Island New York Rangers fan (proper education would soon lead me to correcting towards the Islanders but i digress LOL) and i remember this moment just as much as moments my own teams went through. It was crazy. I felt so bad for the Sabres.
06-07 was their best chance to win the cup but they were decimated by injuries. Now here we are in 2024 and they’re about to miss the playoffs for the 14th season in a row next year
I’m from Dallas. I was watching this game live and it was unbelievable, but I do feel sympathy for Buffalo fans. It’s not just what transpired here, but for all those years losing SBs, too…two of which came against Dallas…Y’all must really hate us after all that, huh? I wouldn’t blame you.
The city of Buffalo had announced that the Sabres were getting a parade after the Finals, win or lose. Lindy Ruff spoke at the parade. And ended off the speech: "One more thing - No Goal!"
Its only controversial because the league didnt explian it well enough, it proves they made poor calls of it in other instances and were a southern franchise. Back then that was a tad less tongue and cheek and more actually problematic for the older clubs.
As a Sabres fan this still hurts but being somehow honest and realistic with not only focussing on the skate in the crease: , and believe me that it takes a lot of effort, high blood pressure and getting back my subscrbtion on suicide watch….. This goal also shows how smart, strong and sneaky Hull was as a player. He evades , i think it was Holzingers check perfectly, gets himself back in position, shoves the puck with his skate to his stick and slides it in. I think a well executed bodycheck would got Hull down on the ice or out of balance enough to clear the puck out. But besides that: Skate in the crease: check Advantage of skate in the crease: check No goal: 300% check * taking my valium again now
This goal is controversial the same way global warming is controversial It's really not disputed at all, there's just a small handful of people who still won't shut up about it because they think the "controversy" makes them money
Honestly i love that they took it away. Its more skill. Sometimes teams miss smokes in pro play too and you see good players like donk take advantage of those situations (i just recall a miss smoke donk clip as an example). We need more skill gap in the game and better anti cheat. Knowing that you just set up a keybind and youll never miss a smoke was stupid especially for the complicated ones. Like you said jump throws are not hard and there is no skybox. Somebody will cook up some smoke that is easier at some point, the whole beauty of the game is how the meta evolves.
Played Junior A level hockey and triple A before that. 20 years i played. At the end of the day its the officials decision. Yes his foot was in the crease but Hasek had all the room in the world and fumbled the puck while it was still in view of an official. If the puck isnt dead and an official can see it even if no one else can its still live.
The biggest losers were the Minnesota fans who watched theor team come close a few times, move away and then win. Then they get stuck with The Wild, who let's face it are a team of hyper mediocrity.
The thing I remember most about this was the sad look on Ruff's face when he realized that none of the officials even considered reviewing this goal. It just happened and everyone just accepted it.
