I don’t care what anyone says or what I hear. The teachings through Bhakti Marga have brought about profound changes within myself in just a few months. I’m nearing 50 and no stranger to most spirituality teachings. I think Paramahamsa Vishwananda has to be the smartest most aware teacher to choose such relatable and grounded teachers to spread the truth. Thankyou for all you do 💚
Although for sure this video is going to annoy many, it was long time necessary. It brings common sense and understanding of what in truth connects us and how our faith comes into being: a divine personality transforms the landscape of many people and creates a movement that is naturally based on sashtra. Different masters and Divine personalities will display different moods and emphasis and different seekers will connect accordingly. There's no whatsoever one true path, but each seeker has found his own true path and the highest authority. Unfortunately Bhakti Marga, Paramahamsa Vishwananda and His devotees are for long time misunderstood and 'bullied' by other devotees from others sampradayas, especially from Gaudiya and other keyboard warriors, that repeat senseless arguments, misrepresenting their own sampradayas, having no proper knowledge of what is the philosophy, personality and uniqueness of our Gurudev. Having myself had such encounters, and understanding that we are educated in Hari Bhakta Sampradaya to respect by all means other Vaishnavas, it was shocking to see such behaviours that go against the own belief system of such great gurus and Divine personalities. Having a guru as Paramahamsa Vishwananda that imparts in His devotees such compassion and respect for all lovers of God brings to myself the feeling of gratitude and certainty of what our mission is bring to the table is nothing but good to this world and sanatana dharma. If we can respect each others path, we will all please Krishna/ Narayana.
I love the factual confrontation with misinformation and the way you give respect to other heartfelt paths with humility and healthy self-deprecation. Thank you guys, keep it up! Can't wait for the next part. Jai Jai Rama Krishna Hari! Jai Gurudev! ❤🔥
Being from outside the Sri Vaishnava sampradaya, this is a fascinating conversation. I’ve always been curious but these discussions usually don’t occur in English. Tbf this type of politics happens in every sampradaya, including Advaita lol
4 bonafide Sects or Sampradaya is a not big boy club and gate keeping new thoughts of thinking for Shri Vishnu tattva and Jeeta atma But, One should be ready to be debated again and again and its going to be a tedious and bloody peoject to create a genuine siddhanta Kudos to your guru Maharaj and I hope Shri Vishnu smiles on all of us fellow Vaishnavas Jai Shriman Nārayan ☸️🐚
I'm just gonna chant Sri Vithala Giridhari Parabramane namah. Let them say it's fake whatever. I feel it's power. Who gets to say the name of God is fake?
But my question is why stick to it, it feels powerful because it has Hari naam in it so it's obvious but if possible don't you wanna chant a mantra that has been chanted through eons of time and great many Acharyas ⁉️
if u go to a guru he will give u moola mantram of panduranga vitthala swamy chanting name is not wrong but very slow process for bhagavadanubhavam, but its not invalid, it still works given u have the bhakti it has already become a sAmAnya nAma mantram when u chant with 'namaH' at the end, so be with shuci when u r doing jap\chant remove namaH and u dont have to worry about ritualistic rules
@@adiyen_ramanujan_dasamNamaskar, the mantra was received by Paramahamsa Vishwananda in the same way as Sri Vallabha receive the brahmasambhanda mantra for his sampradaya. We follow our sampradaya and acarya and therefore we chant Sri Vitthala Giridhari Parabrahmane Namah as well as asthaksara.
Exclusivity claims in Hinduism is a fatal idea , it was a doomed understanding to begin with, regardless of book. Though having a legitimate lineage is an important point, as it ensures credibility.
Thank you - this is a landmark conversation. Bhakti Marga is a threat because we have a living master. But why should Bhakti Marga bother anyone who is in the embrace of Lord Krishna? Krishna, like our Gauranga Guruji, is an ocean where those in Him should be fully drowned as not to care about others. And Guruji worships Giridhari everyday and travels with Him all over the world. Btw talking of Bhagavan interacting with the founding acharya, Lord Vittal gave Guruji our Maha Mantra...
Very good podcast. Always wondered about the authenticity of Shastric references. It would be good if we can deep dive more into how these abberations in Padma Puran came.
Gaudiyas accept Sri Ramanandaacharya being Sri Ram because there are many pramans from Shastra. If you want them please approachSri Rajendra Das Ji Maharaj or any of his or Sri Rambhadracharya's followers. Mentions in Valmiki Samhita, Aghastya Samhita and many more
@@wreyamon4472 this is what I found online, hope it helps: Observe strict vegetarianism (no eggs, fish or meat. Buying, touching or cooking any meat should also be avoided.)
If you wish to take initiation as a devotee, being vegetarian is part of the vows. If you wish to attend the events and not be committed to the lifestyle and to Guruji, in this case, it is up to the individual.
57:28 Thank you for saying this, I was sick of hearing this that ramanandacharya being Shri Ram himself which obectively and devotionaly makes no sense.
*About Ramanadi Sampraday* 1) They say that it is not true that Ramanandi Parampara is an offshoot of Ramanuja Parampara. They say Vishishtadvaita philosophy has teo broad lineages, one of Bodhayan Rishi, in whose line appeared Shri Ramanandacharya, the other of Natha Muni, in which appeared Shri Ramanujacharya 2) They DO present shastric evidence of Shri Ramanandacharya being Shri Ram. Although I have not looked deeply into it.
@@aditshukla they say it’s not true now but Ramananda was nonetheless said to be initiated by Ramanuja. To deny that is precisely what the Sri Vaishnava criticise. They have their own bhasya and parampara nowadays to the question is a bit irrelevant for today.
This opens the Pandora's box that leads to all the deliberately corrupt translations and phantom verses gaudiya vaishnavism is founded upon. The 4 sampradayas reference is only the tip of the iceberg. Just read their list of namaparadhas, the second one is indeed intriguing and a proof for their sectarianism. It is, in itself, namaparadha... 10 offenses: 2) To consider the names of demigods like Lord Shiva or Lord Brahma to be equal to or independent of the name of the Lord Vishnu This is a reference to Padma Purana Brahma Kanda 25.15 The verse 'quoted' doesn't even contain the word 'Brahna' or 'demigod'. The original verse goes as follows: satāṃ niṃdā nāmnaḥ paramamaparādhaṃ vitanute | yataḥ khyātiṃ yāṃtaṃ kathamu sahate tadvigarhām |(
Making a blanket statement like “ISKCON” does this or that shows you don’t know what you are talking about. ISKCON is a huge society of a million followers. To say the society of that many people does ONE thing is preposterous and laughable.
@@NamarasaPodcast it's the gaudiya philosophy 😂😂😂 I am not sure whether you're talking out of ignorance or if you're seriously trying to engage in a discussion you've already lost? Prabhupad called Ramakrishna a rascal, ISKCON devotees insult Advaita Vedanta, call Shankaracharya's philosophy bogus, insult Vivekananda, Sadhguru aso. No matter what you might think of them, you don't go against other teachings. You're not superior. And you certainly don't insult others by calling Shiva a demigod. Also, this 4 bona fide sampradaya lie is offensive to all other sampradayas. Hindus are inclusive, not divisive. All rivers lead to the sea. If you like yourself so much, at least keep it to yourself... Hari Om 🙏
I live in Bangladesh🇧🇩, where all Muslim girls are forced to wear Bokhras, they are taught this from a young age, they are not allowed to talk to any boy except their family, and girls are taught in Madrasas without being taught in schools, colleges and universities. I am frustrated my religion now I am ex Muslim
47:50 *Does Vishwananda's Shri Vaishnav Guru accept him as Bhagvan?* Since you are constantly going for Gaudiya parallel, Shri Gauranga was indeed accepted as Bhagvan by both his guru Ishvar Puri and sanyaas guru Keshav Bharti, as mentioned in Chaitanya Bhagvat and other hagiographies. Whether you accept that or not, my question does his guru accept him as Bhagvan?
You’re simply making the point made in the podcast stronger. You said both his gurus accepted him as Bhagavan and you quote a Pramana which is pramana only in the same sampradaya. That’s the problem
@@basilejolissaint1645First of all, even Advaitins, with whom we have the principle siddhantic conflict, accept Mahaprabhu as Bhagvan. Secondly, I am totally fine with someone not accepting what I accept, I simply made a query. *Does Vishvananda's Shri Vaishnav Guru accept him as Bhagvan?* I ask this since they make a Gaudiya parallel. I did not say I accept your pramaan or not, I simply want to know about this.
@@aditshukla I don’t think anybody asked him the question personally. Also also not questioning the divinity of Mahaprabhu, I’m questioning the validity of the claim that both his guru saw him as Bhagavan. I’m happy for that to be true as we also see him a manifestation of Krishna. But the only pramana for that is an internal one to the same sampradaya.
@@basilejolissaint1645 As I said, I am okay if you dont accept it. Your take. But atleast there is talk of it. *But noone can even claim (truly or falsely) that Vishvananda's Guru accept him as Bhagvan.* Thats my only point. The only thing he accepts is I gave him diksha, apart from he has nothing to do with him.
@@aditshukla You cannot assert this simply on the basis of external references which do not address this issue. Vallabhacarya is supposed to have recognised Mahaprabhu but denied it in public and went on with his own Sampradaya. Look at Kabirdev ji and Ramananda if you want further example.
50:35 That is just not a Gaudiya group, but Smartas, Advaitins, Shri Vaishnavs all are speaking up against this Paundrak Sampraday. 'You do you own thing, we do our own thing' can't play out when Paundrak has _stutis_ calling Shri Radhika his maidservant; makes his disciple make Vishnu Tilak (NOONE does that even to Vishnu) and offer Tulsi on his hideous feet.
What’s within you that’s causing you to criticise a Sampradaya so much that you’re watching a whole video and writing multiple comments hating on them, when you have nothing to do with them? There must be something within, that’s causing this hatred being spurred out
@@priyaj6242 'watching a whole video and writing multiple comments hating' not at all. I am simply giving my comments on the various points made here. No hate.
Look you’re trying to make your point and as Swami Revatikaanta clearly explains in the beggining people tend to misunderstand Bhakti Marga greatly. Paramahamsa Vishwananda never claim to be Bhagavan and that He should be worshipped this is the faith of the devotee but of course if you’re not akin to His teaching or his association you can’t understand that. He personally forbids tulsi on the feet or any tilaka.
@@basilejolissaint1645 I dont think the disciples sedate him first before making Vishnu Tilak on his feet (which practically is not even done with Vishnu deity; not even Vaishnavas dare to put it on feet) and offer Tulsi at this feet. In that case he is in full acknowledgement of the idea among his disciples that he is Bhagvan.
@@aditshukla Gaudiya offer tulsi to mahaprabhu and his associates as per Gaidiya siddhanta because they recognize him as Bhagavan and his expansions. But this acceptance is only their. We Don’t have any problem with that. Why creating problem for others then ? I told you, Paramahamsa Vishwananda forbid those practices. If you still have doubt you can contact any Bhakti Marga temple and ask for yourself 👍🏼
@@basilejolissaint1645 I am sure there is another quote that can be used here to say dont at first put a thorn in the body and you wont need to remove it. To take offence is to make offence. I see the need followers of Bhakti Marga sect feel in substantiating and defending their Gurudev, I have no quarrel, and I completely agree that there is a lot of falsity and corruption in religiosity wherever it is practiced....same as it ever was...but trying denigrate an entire vaishnava tradition...that's cope and counter productive...kanaistha adikari stuff.
@@Navasundar I wouldn't say that, the intention here is not to denigrate any Vaishnava movement, I would even say it's quite the opposite. It's about showing the greatness of Vaishnvsim without the need to base it on interpolated verses and semi-political sectarianism. As mentioned at the very beginning of the podcast. This is a response to years of misinformation and misunderstanding of Bhakti Marga and also Vaishnavism. This is not the making of Bhakti Marga. The concept of 4 exclusive samprdayas in Vaishnavism has been refuted by many scholars both in India and the West, this podcast is simply a presentation of the arguments. The intention is to see what unites everyone and not what divides. In my opinion, this is not kanistha. Rather, kanistha is the reverse, when a sampradaya tries to have exclusivity over Bhagavan and not when a sampradaya tries to raise the unity factor.
Yes, as a Sri Vaishnava, that padma purana verse is definitely interpolation just like every other purana more or less Excluding Shrimad Bhagwatam and Vishnu Puranam obviously because the oldest of acharyas commentary and verse counts and mentions are still the same as today throughout generations unlike other puranas which were only 100 pages 100years ago in old manuscripts and suddenly in 2024 they are in more than 3 volumes 😂 aka shiv purana and devi bhagwat and skand purana etc Jai Shriman Nārayan ☸️🐚 Shrimate Ramanujaye Namah
1:20:57 Just see the craziness. They will question Shri Ramanuja, from who they claim to come, to justify their guru. Btw, Ramanuja Sampraday DO give shastric pramaan for him being Adi Shesh. Whether you accept that or not, its amusing you have not come across it.
Nobody question Ramanuja, why would we have Him on the altar and offer daily service in the main Bhakti Marga temple if it was the case ? He’s one of the greatest Vaishnava in history and surely a Divine being. However, once more the pramana you’re referring which you didn’t quote are accepted only by them otherwise if it was so clear everybody would have taken imitation when he was embodied in the south. Faith based doesn’t means wrong, it’s simply a fact that those claim are from the very Sampradaya the Acharya is from and not outside.
@@basilejolissaint1645 I pointed out how the speaker is not informed when he says that there is no shastric pramaan of Ramanuja's position. There is, whether you accept it or not.
@@aditshukla the Pramanas are from the Padma puruna and narada purana and have no references. And again we will be super happy for those claim to be true. The fact is that Bhakti Marga will not play this game of interpreting verse to announce the coming of Paramahamsa Vishwananda although they are many possible one. as pointed out most verses that are used by other sampradaya mention a Brahmana coming in the age of Kali which is precisely what Paramahamsa Vishwananda is (Bharadwaja gotra) other verse mentioning krishna varnam in Bhagavatam is as explains in the podcast also well applicable to Him without the need of saying that Krsna varnam refers to the syllable Krsna and taking the mukhya vritti of dark color. Again you will not see that in Bhakti Marga because as the podcast points out, this is au necessarily childlish game and a tap on once own back. Why not simply accepting the divinity of all those great personality on account of the greatness of their life and how many people they brought on the path of Vaishnavism. That would be mature thinking.
@@basilejolissaint1645 Krishnavarnam tvishakrishnam is applicable to Gauranga Mahaprabhu. Even opponents cant deny thy fact that the worldwide spread of Sankirtan Yajna is in the following of Gauranga Mahaprabhu. Anyone who chants the name of Vithhal Giridhari is respectable, but that in itself will not make him suitable to fit into this shlok and declared an avtar.
@@aditshukla check the official translation from Gita press and Montilal banarsidass and then you tell me to whom it can apply Sankirtan was first spread by Sri jnanesvara in Maharashtra trough ‘Jai Jai Ram Krishna Hari.’ Only then it came to the rest of India. This verse may well apply to Dhyandev.
Mahaprabhu was a devotee incarnation that was his mood if everybody started worshipping him and calling him God it would interfere with his devotee mood that is why he is hidden that is why the previous scholars did not realise it mahaprabhu didn't want to be considered God when he was incarnated another verses for mahaprabhu 11.5 point 34 and in the bhagavatam and verses from the garud Puran and references in the Vishnu Sahasranamam are all accepted by all Vaishnav samprday it is just that they give different interpretations but the sloka are same. They are not later addition and the gudiya interpretation of the slokas is grammatically correct fits the context and does not contradict other Shastra and also verses are also given for ramanujacharya being incarnation of adi shesh Shri vaishnavas other samprday is also demand proof so also you are not free from giving proof for the divinity of Shri paramhans Gurudev I think he is a great devotee but not God why doesn't think so vishwaroop the n mahaprabhu did that and no scriptural evidence for him it is not random that he is called hidden in car nation orr even convenient and many acharyas from the other sampradaya like mirabai, Jagadguru kripalu Ji Maharaj premanand Ji Maharaj and even Shri Vaishnav Acharya some of them have accepted the divinity of mahaprabhu. While none outside Bhakti Marg accept the divinity of Gurudev
It is true that not all the verses mentioned are late interpolations. The Bhagavatam verses are not considered a late interpolation but, as you said, they are subject to different interpretations. late interpolation are verses from puranas without references of proper canto, chapter and so on. The original translation of the verse of the Bhagavatam (not based on the sampradāya) systematically translate these verses differently from the Gaudiya sampradāya. We understand the why and the how and also accept the divinity of Mahaprabhu, but we refuse to allow this to be based on the authority of the sastras or on an any link with the Dvaita sampradāya. Moreover, it is not true that relying on the sastras is a prerequisite for having faith in the founder of the Sampradāya as the manifestation of Bhagavān. There are so many examples, simply in Vraja, the radha-vallabha sampradāya believe in the divinity of Sri Harivansh, the same goes for Swami Haridasa and many others. Shankardev in Assamese, Swami Narayan in Gujarat are all samprdaya founders who are recognised as divine descent, but the references are nowhere to be found and need not be since the pramana for countless 'unknown ' incarnations is precisely sastra. (अवतारा ह्यसङ्ख्येया हरे: सत्त्वनिधेर्द्विजा: । यथाविदासिन: कुल्या: सरस: स्यु: सहस्रश: 1.3.16) Mahaprabhu showing the vishwaroopa to his devotees is a account according to a text in their own sampradāya which is not recognised as pramana outside their own sampradāya. With great respect, I doubt that the Sri Vaishnava and others would accept without question that Mahaprabhu showed the vishwaroopa to his devotees.
how do u know "none outside Bhakti Marg accept the divinity of Gurudev"? I personally know many people who aren't his devotees but yet confirm his divinity! There are many people like that... you just haven't met them yet, prabhuji 🙏🏼
Again Maharaj I have said the translation of gaudiya samprday is not grammatically incorrect nor is it contradicting context or any other Shastra and we give references for multiple shastras of verses which are not considered Interpolated. Regarding other sampradaya is not accepting I have pointed out that many outside gaudiya samprday have accepted like Jagadguru Kripalu ji who is given the title Jagadguru by the council of scholar in Kashi and also acharyas from Shri sampraday sorry I don't remember the name you can find it in any article on mahaprabhu along with clip even some advait scholars like Swami Vivekananda have accepted mahaprabhu and again most people who don't accept because the purv Acharya of their samprday have not accepted or he was never given prediction by any other samprday Acharya cause he is hidden Avatar this is not some convenient claim like Swamiji said in the video. He is Bhakta Avatar devotee incarnation if everyone considered him God and worshipped him it would interfere with his mood. And why we need proof of the Shastra is also important Maharaj because there are many fake people who are sinful claiming to be divine an exploit their followers like Ram Rahim if we do not have system of proof of Shastra then anyone can claim worship based on followers fooled by magic tricks or hallucination and mahaprabhu only revealed himself to very close associates not to the general public and why he was divine another proof is that sarvabhaum Bhattacharya advait scholar and prabodhananda Saraswati Maharaj have accepted and became followers and they are also scholars. Shri paramhans Maharaj is a great devotee. But God has some signs that he is God including the marks on the food which are auspicious and totally mesmerizing beauty . Beyond human conception and performs extraordinary miracles. And even the people opposing him become his followers. Nothing like that was done by paramhans Maharaj Gurudev. Dandvat pranam
1:13:20 I understand the point your are trying to make. But factually, the point of hidden _avtaar_ is not some convenient excuse. It has a proper backing, छन्नहः कलौ 7-9-38 भागवत
PLEASE, if you could speak a little more slowly, even if you set the speed to 0.75 which is so fast for some people ... that would make it possible, even if you don't understand English very well, to BENEFIT FROM THIS TEACHING
Maybe it could help you to activate the subtitles! As they are automatically generated they usually get the Sanskrit words wrong, but it can still be of use:)
Don't you think there are more acute threats to Sanatana-dharma than three guys with Bhagavan's footprint on their foreheads having a conversation about deficiencies of contemporary Vaishnava sampradaya? A look at recent events in Bangladesh might help to form an opinion.
What harms sanata dharma is the constant attack and hypocrisy that is experienced by different devotees of different sampradayas and organizations. This video only displays how mad and illogical and corrupted is the thinking behind such attitudes. When we give 2 steps back and understand how much we have in common and how movements come into being, we can stop the aggression and have respect and appreciation for each other's path. All saints, divine personalities and guru that were mentioned are highly respect, refered in satsangs by Gurudev and present in our saints museum and are role models of what it means to be a devotees of the Lord.
The thing with Hindu myths is that the goal of the myths is to often convey some learning or teachings to the recipient of that myth, it doesn't matter if you take them literally or not, as long as the message comes across.(Hinduism is fluid like that). So in essense, somebody who believes in a myth (Leela) is equally valid pov as someone not believing the myth, as long as they get the messages meant to be conveyed by the stories. If message is not imbibed believing it or not believing it is a moot point. Though the degree of belief or how one interprets these myths varies from sect to sect(sampradaya), this particular sect is a vaishnavite sect , which is mixture of iskcon bhakti philosophy with karma yoga philosophy of ram krishna mission (as of my understanding). Hence Hindus doesn't give you ready made answers, your are free to choose any of the ways (even atheist exists in the fold and have a famous sampradaya).
@@harshgarg1448 that could be said about basically any myth since myths usually are born to convey messages in every culture. My question wasn't about any of that. I was curious to understand whether they believe in them or not
@@piage84 So let me confirm! I'm a monk of Bhakti Marga. And if you ask me, if we believe in the various incarnations of the Lord, wherein He performed awesome miracles like lifting mountains, killing demons, multiplying Himself of bringing back people from death, I can say Yes, He literally did that. And not only in ancient times by the way...
@@piage84 I explained all that to convey the point that wether they belive or not depend on the sect , this particular sect believe that these things happened and are historic in nature. In fact in first 1/3 of this episode they were trying to convey why a statement about one of the puranas is not a valid point and may be a latter addition by various logical arguments, as that statement stands as a gatekeeper in them claiming to be a new sampradaya i.e, getting legitimacy among plurality of Hindu Sects. This legitimacy is important because it ensures that the new sampradaya is not a "cult " or "malicious group" out to con individuals in the name of opening a spiritual path. Many famous gururs like Sathya Sai, Sadguru, Osho or Ramdeva are not part of any sampradaya and hence are not taken seriously by Hindu organisations.(even though they are wealthy) My explanation was to convey to you that them believing the myth doesn't diminish the philosophical discussions emanating from their discussion.
