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as a german, saxon tribe: at least you in india can be happy that at least a mainstream of hindu culture survived monotheism. in europe all holy places, trees, springs, rocks have been destroyed, cut, were built over. we have been cut off from all traditions. I don´t even know what in old saxony we can do.
This is interesting, could you please shed more light on the matter, for us who have very little knowledge about such old tribes of Europe, If I'm not wrong the vikings had something similar done to them?
One person start from one small place or tribe that you belong to and to take back what was yours, then you slowly rebuild that movement on bigger level.
@@JohnSnow01 there is an inner unrest in me to understand everything. after long years of contacts to the aurobindo ashram, a study of western philosphy as well, I am now in research of our ancient roots. there is on youtube the head of the - altheiden - here in germany , with his background of archeology, old germanic philology he explains what we can know in 21.cent. and what we can do. he nicely explains that indian and germanic gods are identical, same gods. another channel is -survive the jive - of an english person. but also important, sri aurobindo . he says that now a new time will start, a new universal force wil support humans to become super-humans in a spiritual way -- that also lead to nietzsche with his übermensch-idea. for me very important: practice a yogalifestlye ( food, money, possessions, emotions, sexual behavoir, ect.) but apart from that I try to meet people interested in creating may be in future at least some places, cultural centers for a revival of the old culture in north germany. beyond that I am in the AfD, a party for the german nation . for a german future against islamisation, EUnuches, for freedom, more democracy. I am not much in media, don´t have a mobile even, for me survive the jive is the best channel in english language. all the best, wolfgang
@@vaibhavbijapur6037 my contact to india is mainly via sri aurobindo with his concept of a spiritual superhuman as the divine will. this also leads to our german philosopher friedrich nietzsche with his idea of the übermensch - the superman. I am not so much in media, don´t even have a mobile. here on you tube the best channel in english for ancient germanic/celtic culture is - survive the jive - . at the moment I try to get contact to german groups with the aim to establish at least places to revive, to document our ancient culture. in any case - I have to be grateful to india for all the inspirations she gave to me. all the best , lots of love wolfgang
The closing statement of Mr J Sai Deepak is very important and deep. And we hindus should think about it very seriously. The distinction between thirth(pilgrimage place) and tourism must be made. The urja kshetra of a place mustn't be destroyed because if it is done then the place lose its divine characteristic.
So what comes out of these thoughts? What is the course of action? 1. Stop connecting teerthkshetras 2. Make it harder to visit 3. Facilitate more people to visit 4. Don't change a thing.
@@rutvikrs LUXARY is not tertha. If anybody wants luxary they can go to Goa or other such place where material pleasure is everything. Cleanliness of thertha kshetras is one thing but making it tourist destination is completely different one mustn't confuse between two.Some kshetra is deliberately built in difficult terrain cause it is requires penance and some like Kashi is itself is like a giant yantra where each mandir have it's own urja. If you destroy any one of them energy distribution whose kshetra become affected (in a negative way ofcourse). One should only visit pilgrims if they have shraddha in that place not for pre-wedding photoshoot or insta reels or weekend getaway. That defeats the purpose of thertha.
@@AmitDasVEVO cleanliness and hygiene with respect to teerthas and also everywhere is just contradictory in reality 😆. Indians love to be in mediocrity and truly lacks civic senses
@@AmitDasVEVO lemme translate that: you want all possible infrastructure minus people who you don't approve. Be it a WhatsApp group or public infrastructure. It's an either/or proposition.
I'm from Bengal, I've seen many temples where the pujaris are members of a particular tribal community not brahmins. worship of Maa Chandi, Maa Durga, and Mahadev in various forms. As large donations are made at one of the temple, the government even attempted to control it. However, the tribal community simply rejected it and continued their tradition. Though I think after a period of time we should revisit our traditions because, for a very practical reason, many traditions got distorted with time and lost relevance.
@@lolmaker because Mr. Mehra only wants 3 temples. And has said that 40000 temples will make India too crowded. The 2nd part is factually incorrect as there are almost 38000 temples in Tamil Nadu alone of which 33000 pre-date the British Raj.
I already knew J Sai Deepak Sir and his eloquence and his support for the Hindu cause but Saxena Sir is a discovery...shat shat naman for all your work!
Actually, Ashish Dhar is an intellectual giant. Because he’s a polite host, he’s not talking much here. But, if you can access videos where he participates actively, you will realize he is probably one of the most calm, articulate and knowledgeable thought leaders of Hinduism.
Why can't we revive temples across the borders, especially shakti peetas. Yea we can build temples in other countries with ease, but can't rebuild the ancient ones which are in islamic countries. But I hope in future we will be in a better position to bargain. I'm more concerned about the major temples of our civilization across the borders which tell the significant stories of our gods. I don't have an answer for Kuldevataas
I have no words to describe my appreciation for Shri Pankaj Saxena jj's closing remarks. Beautiful Beautiful explanation. Its overwhelming as well as mind-opening at the same time. The beauty and intricacies of creation fills my heart with awe and my eyes with happy tears. Hare Krishna!
The guests are wonderful. The topic is very pertinent. And I in South Africa have a vested interest because my children's identity is inextricably linked with the land and all its temples.
@@KasDlonewolf They are of Indian descent, a few generations back. Also Hinduism and Indian culture is strongly reinforced in my home. We make a point of visiting Indian mandirs every few years, most recently we climbed Girnar. We follow Indian politics and learn its history, so in short we love India.
Your discussions are very nuanced even for a believer. Makes me realise how far we have come from traditions, since it takes so many layers to peel through to come to this. Dhanyavaad for your work
We have indeed gone along way from our ancestors....we have science,all modern conveyance,products of technology...why should we go back to what our forefathers did?why dont we reason our practices? And accept what caters to logic and shun the rest
I must say this was a privilege to watch 3 great minds explore the idea of temples, the significance of the reclamation movement and how it would affect humanity and not just the community. Thank you Upword for this podcast! 🙏🙏🙏
My three most favorite and well versed orators on Indic subjects. Thank you guys for this enlightening discussion, i am sure this brought the much needed clarity in minds of many like me about why is it important not only to reclaim our lost temples but also to understand the importance of these sacred places.
Always enriching experience to hear JSD & likeminded very clear, uncompromising indic voices. इन सभी सनातनी विचार योद्धाओंके साथ खडा रहना एवं यथाशक्ती धर्म को सामाजिक बढावा देना हमारा उत्तरदायित्व है.
no one is talking about reclaiming the primary and secondary education from the missionaries, schools run by them is the primary reason that the youth has a total disconnect with sanatan dharma and the Indic civilization. Not to mention that our Universities are under the occupation of the communist. A total overhaul of indian education should be number 1 demand.
Sab cheezo ka time ayega bhai, educational institutes are also important but first we need to wake up the youth who had been sleeping for so many years. Aaj se phele youth PUBG khelne ke liye enough net meljaye usse enjoy karta tha, but abb dheere dheere youth Shree Ram ji ke pranpratishta ko enjoy kar raha hai. Toh education ko bhe reform karenge 🚩
Please call Mr. Dushyant Sridhar and Swami Velukkudi Krishnan who can give a better understanding of the temples. Someone from acharya parampara will be the best person to give valuable insights on the temple and history.
Im so happy to come across this beautiful discussion. My two favorites: Pankaj Saxena ji and Sai Deepak. Much love and blessings to them both and the host for bringing them together for this discussion. Absolutely love it ❤
Amazing video : deeply appreciate all of your efforts to protect and nourish Dharma ….and deeply grateful to the Divine Mother for sending us people like these who present the Dharmic pov with so much clarity, commitment and competence.
@@rutvikrs Charvaks can stay as they are. Constitutionally, perhaps, they would still be regarded as Hindus. But plainly they have no _locus standi_ to argue. I mean, FoE will allow them to say stuff, of course, but then they must harden their frail egos a little and be prepared to listen to our backlash, too.
Abhijeet Iyer Mitra will lose his shit after watching this.... Sir you should have taken his name specially after when he abused Brahmins on shree Iyer channel
@@gauravtributes5023 it's important to remember that there is no such thing as school of carvaka - no writing is known of it, no school has been extant in any historical period or even before, and there is certainly no continuity with the same up to today. It was just a foil category denoting conman or fool or contrarian or sophist (car-vak literally means sweet talker) in hindu texts. Just as vatsayana did not endorse debauchery in kama sutra - he was just merely chronicling the ways of the world - just so, no hindu acharya has ever endorsed "carvaka". similarly buddhist texts talk of dvesha or "hatred' as an impediment to enlightenment. these are all terms referring to mundane ways of "ordinary" people which even then were likely a microminority in a Dharmik society as Bharata. Bharatiyas all indeed venerated the devas, even those associated with Nastik schools like Bauddha (concentrates on shunyata or dissolution of Self) and Jainism (concentrates on Ahimsa or anti- ontological violence). Nastika itself refers to post-vedic where the tirthankaras and/or boddhisattvas are given an elevated position. Similar to Sai baba etc today. The conflation of carvaka or lokyata or worldliness with western atheism was a project of early jesuits, later taken up by their compadres and humsafars, the imperial indologist class. western atheism is a product of the Western Enlightenment that secularized christianity. atheism has a long and traceable pedigree in Europe as an extremist branch of christianity. Mehra and his band of asinine followers are peddling wholesale secularism and they want to visit upon hindus the same colonial straightjacket as all the other seculars. We shouldn't pretend they have some connection to an ancient sect anymore than nehru or romila thapar belong to an ancient sect. They are political opportunists functioning as agent provocateurs. They are also trying to displace intellectual hindutva with dressed up secularism and mehra in particular is trying to do inculturation for western atheism. Indeed, we can say there was no atheism known in ancient bharata. As said in this video by Pankaj Mishra the existence of the Deva-s was never in doubt to ancient (and current) Hindus.
@@TriptiDimri-lu3so Abhijit was targetting whole Brahmin community on Twitter. I am personally Anti Caste but, targetting whole community is not correct.
@@TriptiDimri-lu3so he also have same view as Abhijit. I am not saying that we should not criticize the rudimentary practices, but it doesn't mean that we should Target the whole community.
@@yashsharma-zw5vv I mean we have sc st act in place. Fully functioning. Anything wrong will be taken care by the constitution. It is just that there is a need for standard reclamation policy now. 3 or 40000 is not the number. Those who fullfil the criteria will reclaim the temple. And I am confident the no is more than 40000. 🙃
We Hindus need to think of all possible means to reclaim not just our lost temples but also our lost territories. I'm emphasising "all possible means" and not just lawful or constitutional means.
What are the logistics of these actions? How many of your own children can you send to the war? How much tax are you willing to bear? Hindus are the only conservatives/trads who have one child while Christians, Muslims, Jewish and even non religious conservatives have large families.
Reclaiming all of our lost temples from Muslims and our lost territories from Pak, China, Bangladesh seems impossible under the current regime Only a strong committed leader can do this like Netanyahu is committed to Jewish people and Israel
@@Anon12375 But if we Hindus continue to support secular multiparty democracy which contradicts our Hindu traditions and beliefs, then we'll surely perish. I am against anarchy. I want Hindus to bring back Shastric Hindu monarchy and non-partisan Hindu Panchayat till the national level.
Please make a video on the book the beautiful tree by historian Dharampal ji it's about indigenous Indian education system and dalit and women education system and because of casteism people defame and leave Hinduism please sir it's my humble request 🙏❤️♥️😢😢😢😢
It seems like the spiritual vibe changes not only from the north to the south of India but also from one state to another within the same region depending on the number of consecrated places and the nature of the deities principally worshipped there. Many of us can actually feel those subtle changes while moving around the country. Thanks to JSD for mentioning it.
Please do a video on the proposed Antiquities Bill 2017 that govt proposed but had to shelve the same by these two guys Sai Deepak and Anurag ( India Pride Project : Bring Our Gods Home ) . What actually needs to be done by bringing a new law to protect our Artifacts. Jai Hind
Such a enticing conversation , I didn't even notice until Sai sir said my closing remarks. Truly informative and insightful. Thanku very much for this.
Pankaj Saxena ji should write a foreword for JSDs " India that is Bharat". I jave struggled to read the first book because of it's language, but seeing Pankaj ji's videos about Christianity made it a little easier to understand what the topline of JSDs book is.
Great episode. JSD and PS - please do more of such vedios together, so that thousands of bharatiyas can learn about our temples, traditions, philosophies, etc.... in a comprehensive manner
These kind of discussions should happen regularly so that people wont forget.....we sanaathanis should unite and fight for our civilization and support each and every person who is supporting this cause and talking and fighting aboyt thid cause. We should never allow the invaders to win and as long as the mosques which are built by destroying our temples are standing on our face, the invaders and their idiologies win. So we should reclaim all our temples which were destroyed. Jai Bharat🙏
it's important to remember that there is no such thing as school of carvaka - no writing is known of it, no school has been extant in any historical period or even before, and there is certainly no continuity with the same up to today. It was just a foil category denoting conman or fool or contrarian or sophist (car-vak literally means sweet talker) in hindu texts. Just as vatsayana did not endorse debauchery in kama sutra - he was just merely chronicling some of the ways of the world - just so, no hindu acharya has ever endorsed "carvaka". similarly buddhist texts talk of dvesha or "hatred' as an impediment to enlightenment. these are all terms referring to mundane ways of "ordinary" people which even then were likely a microminority in a Dharmik society as Bharata. Bharatiyas all indeed venerated the devas, even those associated with Nastik schools like Bauddha (concentrates on shunyata or dissolution of Self) and Jainism (concentrates on Ahimsa or anti- ontological violence). Nastika itself refers to post-vedic where the tirthankaras and/or boddhisattvas are given an elevated position. Similar to Sai baba etc today. The conflation of carvaka or lokyata or worldliness with western atheism was a project of early jesuits, later taken up by their compadres and humsafars, the imperial indologist class. western atheism is a product of the Western Enlightenment that secularized christianity. atheism has a long and traceable pedigree in Europe as an extremist branch of christianity. Mehra and his band of asinine followers are peddling wholesale secularism and they want to visit upon hindus the same colonial straightjacket as all the other seculars. We shouldn't pretend they have some connection to an ancient sect anymore than nehru or romila thapar belong to an ancient sect. They are political opportunists functioning as agent provocateurs. They are also trying to displace intellectual hindutva with dressed up secularism and mehra in particular is trying to do inculturation for western atheism. Indeed, we can say there was no atheism known in ancient bharata. As said in this video by Pankaj Mishra the existence of the Deva-s was never in doubt to ancient (and current) Hindus.
Then why 37:05? JSD is implying that Narasimha Rao played the long game. The same position as Kushal Mehra. Is JSD Raita enough to say the places of Worship act was strategic? 😨
Thanks for the discussion; the last segment from both guests was spectacular. To that point, please DO NOT dig around Neelaparbhat in the name of development. Leave the nature around Mother Kamakhya alone.
Shouldn't there be a big team of lawyers which should be guided by Adv. JSD Adv. Vishnu Jain and Adv. Shankar Jain ji to start lawfare in parallel for all the known temples.
I was never convinced with Kushal Mehra & Co regarding this issue. They're doing their part for us, but this temples issues is for the community as a whole. Everyone is a stakeholder like JSD said. No one can convince that one temple is not so important than other. Every murthi had a pranprathista ritual which means that place belongs to our murthi forever 🙏🏻
I am really curious to know how many of you feel grateful to this people, because whenever I asked my parents why do we have to go to our kuldevta's temple every year when instead we can pray to the idol that we have at our home and the answer I always got was "stop asking questions !".if it weren't for this guys I would have missed out on such a great thing out Shakti shetras and how important it is to preserve them, the importance of rituals, basic defination of darshana. Oh my god , I feel pathetic being a 17 year old I didn't know such a basic things. I truly am very thankful.
#SAVE_KAMAKHYA_TEMPLE Closing remark by J Sai Deepak is very true thats why we all have to stand up for Maa Kamakhaya Corridor that is distraction in the name of development. They are digging the hill that cause disruption in hydrology of temple. And the one who don't know there is no idol warship, the water is considerd devin and warshiped. So please support
Declining Hindu birth rate below 2.1 (currently 1.9)is very disastrous for Hindus & Bhartiya economy. Hindu must do 3 or more children's,or in 15-20 years we will lost demographic dividend.😢 (2-child rule) to get govt. job must be replaced will (3 child) as soon as possible.
Why are we reclaiming temples that were destroyed by invaders? As per Supreme Court of India place of worship where a deity has been concecrated (prana prathishta/energy form), even desecration doesn't translate to destruction of the energy and is not same as deconcecration unless a necessary ritual is conducted and the energy form continues to reside! That permanence is the current position of law. Period.
Excellent conversation.. For me, Swayam Bodh is a primary concern... until we know what we are fighting for, we cannot fight with conviction.. Temple reclamation is not and 'Infrastructure' project or 'tourism' project or 'economic development project. Let us not allow others (including our own) to define our Dharmic ways of thinking differently....
Lovely Discussion w/o any frills or fancies. Old School but still driving home the point. Something for other podcasts to take a leaf from. Two panelists both erudite n articulate n well supported by a well researched anchor
One para is enough to explain it all. ‘दो न्याय अगर तो आधा दो, पर, इसमें भी यदि बाधा हो, तो दे दो केवल पाँच ग्राम, रक्खो अपनी धरती तमाम। हम वहीं खुशी से खायेंगे, परिजन पर असि न उठायेंगे! दुर्योधन वह भी दे ना सका, आशीष समाज की ले न सका, उलटे, हरि को बाँधने चला, जो था असाध्य, साधने चला। जब नाश मनुज पर छाता है, पहले विवेक मर जाता है।'
As usual Charvaka anab shanab bak Raha hay twitter peh. He and AIM are afraid of losing their position in the Right Hemisphere. Kanp kyu rahe ho bhai Sai ka logic sunke?? 😅😅😅
I agree, that reclamation has to be done keeping in mind the metaphysical aspect of temples, and not just as an important piece of construction that once belonged to us. But the problem is, none of us are walking around with 'Jagrit' or even partially jagrit kundalini to really connect with the deity/energy.
Why should 3 North Indian temples have more significance than any other temple in any other part of India. Every temple is important to the area it is in
