The 10 Best NBA peaks since 1977

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Who had the best peak in NBA history? Who was the best at his best? This video compares the greatest multi-season peaks in NBA history, and includes voting from Thinking Basketball subscribers. Since we can't quite compare the legends from '50s and '60s on similar ground to players from the 3-point era, the cutoff here is the 1977 ABA-NBA merger.
This is the 16th and final episode in a series on the greatest peaks in NBA history (focusing on 1977-2020), featuring detailed scouting reports and film breakdown on the best players in NBA history at their best, along with analysis of their impact using historical data & stats to size up the highest peaking players ever.
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@ThinkingBasketball 3 года назад

Thank you for all the amazing comments throughout this series!! Reading your reactions, feedback and (undefeated) jokes was one of the highlights of my week over the last few months. So...how do you feel about differentiating between these all-time greats? What would your top-10 look like?

@cdmacd 3 года назад

Well done. This series is a RU-vid masterpiece

@dask5687 3 года назад

Do you edit all your videos? Including the hilarious but incredible drawings?

@perryquijano6749 3 года назад

Just a masterpiece

@TheOnlyRizzy 3 года назад

No Kobe in top 10 😢

@AX5Terminator 3 года назад

Jordan is freaken Thanos with all 6 infinity stones: 1) Mind - Killer Mentality 2) Power - Explosive First Step 3) Reality - Control and Mastery of the Ball 4) Soul - Unmatched Artistry 5) Space - Created with his Amazing footwork 6) Time - Hang Time! All held by his gauntlet size hands!

@savethetrees1214 3 года назад

Thinking basketball is at the greatest peak for basketball RU-vidrs

@acpliego 3 года назад

The GOAT without a doubt

@luketanner5419 3 года назад

Thanks Thanos

@ahmedadem2227 3 года назад

clayton crowley and thinking basketball must be going through the worst backpain, the way they're carrying basketball on youtube lmao

@0401412740 3 года назад

Coach Daniel was good too until he was recruited by Dallas Mavericks

@conorskurk-dawgg2947 3 года назад

For real. Makes you recognize just how horrible the "analysts" on ESPN are.

@samuelyuan291 3 года назад

Jokic just sliding in during the Shaq segment is so funny

@minecraftowypolak 3 года назад

skinny/sneaky jokic

@toteispoe4 3 года назад

Got to think he's going to have a very high spot on this list when it's all said and done. Most offensively skilled center ever with sneaky decent defense. Doncic for sure will be on here, too. Playmaking is a powerful thing.

@vauneoso3292 3 года назад

MVP!!!

@clevisbernier8973 3 года назад

@@toteispoe4 I think he's already a top 20 Center probably.

@toteispoe4 3 года назад

@@clevisbernier8973 Definitely, not probably :)

@FootyInsights_ 10 месяцев назад

Jokic sliding in during the Shaq segment hits even more after this 2021-23 stretch he produced

@amazintr3266 5 месяцев назад

I was thinking this after I saw it 😭😭

@MindfulAttraction 3 года назад

This was the greatest series of basketball videos ever on youtube. The greatest peak

@dusk6159 3 года назад

And it's not even close

@TheSands83 3 года назад

😂no it’s not

@dusk6159 3 года назад

@@TheSands83 Yes it is casual, and you're saying it's not literally just because Ben addressed both the flaws and positives of Jordan. Which is especially embarassing considering that Ben still has MJ in the literal top echelon.

@SilentSneakman 3 года назад

Making The Case by Crayton Crowley is 100x better than this.

@TheSands83 3 года назад

@@SilentSneakman yeah this is awful

@EDAOM27 3 года назад

Jordan’s weakness being a “gambler” was smooth as fuck

@Max-kv8uw 3 года назад

Yeah, it fits perfectly on and off the court.

@t4d0W 3 года назад

I mean when you a gawd at basketball, you find other things to try dabble as a mortal human being like baseball, golf or gambling. Well golf is a popular crossover hobby that many athletes partake in.

@ireplytostupidpeople4750 3 года назад

@@t4d0W I know it's a joke but it's cringe to refer a person as "above mortal" 🤢

@epictubegamer 3 года назад

@@t4d0W “jOrDan Is A gOd”

@dusk6159 3 года назад

@@t4d0W No need to insert a cult of personality defense when there wasn't any criticism to Jordan to begin with.

@Noin007 3 года назад

"Typical All-NBA players" said almost as an insult. Really puts in perspective how over the top insanely good these guys are.

@Noin007 3 года назад

@Todd Lerfahndler That, on top of the fact that the small team size means that 1 player can have a much larger impact. As well as the fact that NBA players all play both ends of the court, immediately making 1 great player so wildly important. NBA: 15 MLB: 26 NFL: 55

@legoboyfan123456789 2 года назад

@@Noin007 forgot NHL which is 18 + 2 tendies and NLL which is 19 + 2

@josesalazar7556 2 года назад

@Trade Bum Simmons nowadays it's thrown around too loosely, you've got like 20 guys being called Superstars lol

@joweebird1993 2 года назад

@@josesalazar7556 because unlike what biased media analytics like barkley, shaq, reggie and etc... say, there are more better players today than before. Just look at the east 9th seed and 10th seed has all star calibre players(taytum and trae young). Same as in the west(lbj and lillard). Mind you those are 9th and 10th seed respectively of each conferenced and already have 4 all stars between them.

@the757general2 Год назад

@@Noin007 NFL is 53 not counting practice squad players

@freaking7459 2 года назад

The fact that Kareem was good enough to have the 6th greatest peak ever between the age of 30-33 as a Center is insane.

@kingofallmen1 2 года назад

Yeah. Nobody is close to him in total scoring.

@peterpan3022 2 года назад

@@kingofallmen1 wdym? lebron will pass him next year in total points scored and has already passed him if you include playoff points. and mj has the bigger ppg by quite a bit. so in what world does noone come close to him in scoring?

@jayanthan4882 2 года назад

Maybe he was in his prime in the aba when he was in physical peak.

@alessandropozzi2214 2 года назад

lebron at 31-34 with cleveland even better, but we take lebron so much for granted that we don't even notice

@reimixo 2 года назад

That wasnt his peak tho

@mrr1491 3 года назад

As a graduate student in Psychology who LOVES basketball, I feel this is the *only* channel that does justice to the GOAT and Mount Rushmore debates and that provides critical analyses of basketball that isn't couched in sensationalism and uni-dimensionalism.

@conflictedpersonnage6276 3 года назад

Just for the culture, what type of work do you do?

@mrr1491 3 года назад

@@conflictedpersonnage6276 Primarily work with Psychosis and Substance Use. Mainly from a liberation perspective, which views society and its constraints and labels as the primary issues driving illness and distress rather than biology. How bout you?!

@conflictedpersonnage6276 3 года назад

@@mrr1491 That’s actually really interesting. Well I’m still in middle school so I don’t have job yet.

@mrr1491 3 года назад

@@conflictedpersonnage6276 Ahh I see! go get it in school! Then go out there and make a difference in this world.

@mattdotts 2 года назад

Basketball is a fascinating game of superhuman athletes and I'm glad you appreciate it!

@nicolocadamuro9988 3 года назад

You were really killing me with that Jordan&LeBron switching

@geordiejones5618 3 года назад

They really are closer than most fans are willing to admit. Very different players but truly the only two who should be considered the greatest of all time.

@snazzrazzmazzlejazz8974 3 года назад

@@geordiejones5618 reject Bron and Jordan, embrace Tim Duncan.

@brrr3301 3 года назад

@@snazzrazzmazzlejazz8974 why not embrace all of them?

@nicolocadamuro9988 3 года назад

They are on a tier on their own

@ImbetterthanDWade 3 года назад

Lebron couldn’t even guard me. Of course, he isn’t better than Jordan lol

@akshaychekuri9504 3 года назад

I think we all knew what the top 2 would be when everyone else on the list had a ceiling of 3rd place.

@user-bw6pt9dy6f 3 года назад

i also knew Shaq would definitely be either 3rd or 4rd

@TheCloud175 3 года назад

I don't think it was ever in question, cutting it at 1977 hurt Kareem's chances of top 2, and there's no one else who has a good argument other than LeBron or MJ.

@davidolinger3948 3 года назад

@@TheCloud175 yeah, I'm actually a huge believer in how incredible young kareem was, but mj and lebron are no doubt the best 2 in this time frame

@Alphadestrious 3 года назад

No kobe?!

@StefveoX 3 года назад

You mean a roof?

@AKSBSU 2 года назад

Olajuwon was the first name I thought about when I saw the title would be focusing on best at peak. That guy was always good but off the charts on both ends of the court in the mid-90s. I've never seen center play at a higher level than he did at his peak, and it was against absurdly strong competition in an era of tough, physical defense and top tier centers.

@HiNRGboy Год назад

Wilt had the most insane Center play ever, you just never saw it lol

@Blank9458 Год назад

@@HiNRGboy yea that’s what he said

@planetpoog 9 месяцев назад

best defender ever😤

@ME-yo4op 8 месяцев назад

@@HiNRGboyactually I did and dream was better, Wilt was amazingly talented and great but he had lesser talent that he competed against. The 60s only fielded 9 teams for the most past and the average starting center was 6’10 and change. There was one real challenge to Wilt and he was 6’9, dream was smaller than most centers and these were all good to plus athletes and dream was still head and shoulders above. Sorry but it’s not Wilt.

@HiNRGboy 8 месяцев назад

@@ME-yo4op Wilt is my GOAT..Just my opinion buddy, love me some Dream regardless. You can't go wrong picking any of them. I would've chosen Hakeem over Jordan just like the Rockets did.

@Akaya7777 3 года назад

Seeing those on/off splits for Green (Im Assuming Draymond) and Ginobili makes me want a breakdown video for each player. Those stretches are absolutely insane. You could argue that those splits showcase their claim as two of the greatest supporting stars of all time.

@radithya6594 3 года назад

Ben, we need a Joker video asap and how his season stacks up against other bigs. Can't wait till the season ends

@Katsos44 3 года назад

I’ve watched his playoff Jokic video about a thousand times, the 3-1 comeback nuggets will live in my heart forever right next to the we believe warriors super jam Seattle teams

@RLSmith-jt8qj 3 года назад

Like for real

@othmanhawasly 3 года назад

Yeah Seriously, one about Joker and another about Luka, ASAP PLEASE ❤

@mskomu 3 года назад

But we don't even know if Jokic has even played any of his top 3 seasons. It's not like he's showing any symptoms of not continuing to improve and he's 26.

@doyouseestroberries 3 года назад

@@mskomu He's seemingly getting more athletic with age, as his body improves. Add in the improvement of getting to the line more as he gets more respect/smarter with drawing shooting fouls, and Jokic could very well force his way into top 5 peak territory.

@ciaranboland439 3 года назад

this man doesn’t miss. best youtube basketball channel peak of all time without a doubt.

@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 3 года назад

LEGOAT SHOULD BE NUMBER 1 AND BUMJ AND CURFRAUD SHOULDNT BE IN THE TOP 10

@ciaranboland439 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 get hit with this fat ass ratio my guy

@koolkai4299 3 года назад

Thinking basketball is not GOSPEL

@K_low_7 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 lol

@_kubahhh 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 your on the wrong app bud, take that shit back to Twitter😂

@dhruvkasthuri6401 Год назад

25:00 The fact that Jordan and LeBron are so far ahead of all other all time great players in their peaks shows how special they really are

@Akashic85 Год назад

Wait how are their top 3 voted more than their vote share

@Herv3 Год назад

Just remember that Lew Alcindor - AKA Kareem Abdul Jabbar - of his Milwaukee Years would probably have a peak as high as those two.

@Herv3 Год назад

@@JMV0711 that's a lie

@Herv3 Год назад

@@JMV0711 dude, you ain't fooling anyone.

@loydkline Год назад

Michael Jordan own nba basketball 🏀 1980s & 1990s

@En_Gho 3 года назад

This is one of the greatest series in all RU-vid history. So much thorough work and dedication, and I just want you to know that we appreciate it very much. Thank you @ Thinking Basketball

@jacktata5284 3 года назад

My life is complete. I can die now

@JarvisN 3 года назад

@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 3 года назад

LEGOAT BETTER BE 1

@joshuasamuel2274 3 года назад

I still have to finish one piece

@exiege 3 года назад

Don’t

@austin5944 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 are you just a bronsexual bot or a delusional fan. 6 for 6.

@richardmaska1818 3 года назад

"Impact relative to era" pretty much guarantees Jordan's place at number one.

@libraalibaba 3 года назад

Most definitely

@mjg6233 3 года назад

@leultrainstinct406 3 года назад

As the greatest peak? Then yea I guess. But like Ben said, it’s really really close.

@claudiojr.bellin496 3 года назад

Exactly, Richard!

@myasswithacherryontop1902 3 года назад

Richard!

@BrianJones-wk8cx 3 года назад

It is irrefutable-you are the GOAT of analysis! While allowing for personal perspectives that may differ, you quantify a solid case for each ranking through thorough consideration. This is a model for how these kinds of discussions ought to be carried out, thank you and the team for all your work on this!

@Dozalable 3 года назад

This is the first time I've ever commented on a RU-vid video, but this series was just so astoundingly brilliant and thought provoking that I had to let you know. Thank you, Ben.

@samuelyuan291 3 года назад

I'm just happy that Steph Curry gets his respect

@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 3 года назад

Lurry shouldnt be top 100

@xenopanda1 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 ZaMickey acting like his low-quality videos :)

@edwardtimothy3581 3 года назад

Agree

@scoots2085 3 года назад

@joceja23 what

@alliesstartedww1308 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 you clearly have bo basketball knowledge lmfao

@dulogmaz 3 года назад

The fact that you can separate 3 different stretches that would end up on the list for Jordan and LeBron each just shows how dominant they really are/were. GOATs no doubt

@kaimarquez8046 2 года назад

When is this shown in the video?

@charlesfowler4308 2 года назад

@@kaimarquez8046 at 21:27 they show 8 Jordan playoffs, using the 3 year peak system that's 3 peaks (2.66 for the pedants). While at 22:07 They show 3 sets of LeBron peaks and 2 Jordan sets.

@mbok29915 Год назад

half of the greatest peaks in history belonging to two players, they indeed are in a different stratosphere

@Xanninja Год назад

@@mbok29915 Been saying this. 💯💯 even if you don't prefer either player, no debating their spots.

@Mercurial. Год назад

So how does Lebron has 3 peaks when he STILL has a LOSING RECORD and lost the most of all time for an MVP again 🤔

@TheSeekerNFT 3 года назад

I would like to take the time and comment on the level of production this series carried through the weeks. I was eager to watch every single one of these as they rolled out making sure I had enough time to digest all the amazing stats and facts from each peak. Simply amazing work from the perspective of the stat gathering and the thesis of who had the best peak. Simply Brilliant and worthy of an award for sports broadcasting. ESPN or NBA TV would be pushing this series so hard if they made this level of quality work! Thank you for making this and I am looking forward to more videos and books in the future!

@nb_nic Год назад

recently had this series pop up in my RU-vid feed, never seen your channel before. I watched about 1/3 of them and this one, this is amazing content. as someone who only really watches playoff basketball and some hawks games it's been really interesting to hear what made all these players so great from someone who knows way more about basketball than me or my friends lol

@cgmp326 3 года назад

Olajuwon top 5 is all I needed to see. Good job on the ratings

@bolt7047 2 года назад

He's really underrated, but am glad hardcore fans like us can appreciate how good he was

@mixedpleasure4324 2 года назад

you have to remember Wilt and other from before 77 was not in this video and Wilt was better then Olajuwon

@siya2195 2 года назад

Mixed pleasure no bro Wilt under played underplayed the playoff and people don't know .hakeem would never have Hakeem>Wilt

@mixedpleasure4324 2 года назад

@@siya2195 Wilt was a two time champion just like Hakeem so what are you talking about and Wilt average way more point twice as many rebounds and almost twice as many assist with a better FG% and Wilt has 4 mvps and average over 50 pint and over 44 point and 38 and 36 and 37 with a 48 vertical like Mj.. Wilt was arguable the best player ever only Mj is surely better imo but Wilt could easily go as high as number 2. Hakeem doesnt do anything better then Wilt so just cut it out

@siya2195 2 года назад

@@mixedpleasure4324 Bra the the chainpainships he won were when he wasn't averaging record breaking numbers in the first one he was a 21 ppg scorer and the 2nd he was a 14 ppg in the playoffs and as I said there were many times in the play-offs were Wilt had a chance to beat the Celtics and Russel but he didn't have his record breaking averages (he underplayed) and got beaten many ,many times and only won when he wasn't avenging those numbers. Lastly Wilt is still an alltime great but people get lost in stats and records but we have to realize that you can avenge 50 if your taking 39.5 shots a game Hakeem > Wilt

@milesvincent6953 3 года назад

I already knew D-Wade and Dirk were goated. Can’t wait for a future series on them

@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 3 года назад

LEGOAT CARRIED WADE AND OWNS DIRK

@Thanosdidtherighthing 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 2011 Finals 🌝

@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 3 года назад

@@Thanosdidtherighthing DIRK CHEATED

@snazzrazzmazzlejazz8974 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 Hold the hell up. People really say whatever the hell comes to mind now, huh.

@cia6520 3 года назад

@@snazzrazzmazzlejazz8974 cmon man he is being funny

@thelegendofBigRay Год назад

Just discovered this channel 1st week April 2023. I respect the research and insight. It has been fun watching !

@nickpowell2524 3 года назад

Thank you so much for making this. This series has been the greatest sports analysis content I've ever seen.

@enzogialdi8647 3 года назад

It was just me that got nervous in the top 2?? man fenomenal series thanks man you are amazing

@ThinkingBasketball 3 года назад

No, I too got nervous in the top 2. 😂

@nandylast1314 3 года назад

@@ThinkingBasketball I saw every player's peak maxing out to 3 and not 2, and that's when the hype started building for the Jordan and LeBron debate for me

@nandylast1314 3 года назад

Everyone got nervous in the top 2, especially Jordan and LeBron fans.

@sexyshadowcat7 3 года назад

@@ThinkingBasketball You would have been roasted if you hadn't put Jordan #1 and then he would have challenged you and dunked on you.

@MatteoRuberto 3 года назад

@@ThinkingBasketball I mean, it could have become personal..

@legamingchair6632 3 года назад

This was so good. I think we all appreciate this series so much🙏🏼 Thank you Ben!

@ThinkingBasketball 3 года назад

Appreciate the support!

@sussvarman Год назад

a weird detail to point out but: i love these thumbnails SO much. its so hard to find a balance between what works for the algorithm while making something that looks genuinely pretty. the graphic designer behind them deserves so much credit, as they are what drew most of us into these videos!

@MinLee2 3 года назад

Amazing series! Thanks for putting this together. I wish sports shows were this deep. Their level of analysis is, "if you score more points than the other team, you'll probably win."

@Scottdick6 3 года назад

Damn LeBron James and Mike so damn close too. Basically coming down to team construction.

@supremegoesviral9922 3 года назад

It’s as close as u think, his analysis is just straight up wrong.

@jamesbullock4316 3 года назад

@@supremegoesviral9922 oh cool where is ur youtube channel where people care ab ur opinion

@aaronantwi9164 3 года назад

@@supremegoesviral9922 why don’t you tell us how genius?

@marquisdaniels8371 3 года назад

Of course Michael Jordan is the 2nd greatest player of all time behind me

@josephhanicak7922 3 года назад

@@marquisdaniels8371 What about Lavar Ball?

@MrAntwan301 3 года назад

That Jokic cameo is perfect hahaha

@YevgenyBazarov1862 3 года назад

This series contains some of the most impressive content I’ve ever seen. As a teacher, it has an amazing balance of content and explanation that makes sure viewers don’t get lost. It would be hard to make one of these videos, let alone sixteen. Thank you, Thinking Basketball Team!

@bigpapajake 3 года назад

A terrific series of videos. I loved every minute of these videos. Thank you, and I'm looking forward to what you do next.

@diegocarvajalcastro 3 года назад

That final race for the first place was way dramatic, well done Ben

@harrincourt95 3 года назад

I wish most NBA fans knew that there are no time machines :(

@scordatura9259 3 года назад

Fr man it's so annoying. Like jordan fans say lebron would die in the 90s with that soft flopping. While lebron fans would say that mj wouldn't be able to face the modern nba with the three point shot and his inefficient latter years. While the truth is it's impossible to know what the players will be at each era since well they're humans and can adapt and change according to the style of basketball being played

@tchalla7828 3 года назад

@@scordatura9259 that’s why you should only judge them by how well they dominated their respective eras.

@iLawfGaming 3 года назад

@@tchalla7828 except lebron didn't dominate his era. He only dominated his conference. So even with those standards MJ is still more dominant and the better player.

@MrReverseOreo 3 года назад

@@iLawfGaming Are you just going to different comments to place MJ over Lebron?

@lik7953 3 года назад

@@iLawfGaming He did dominate his era. Look at the stats. This series isn’t about championships or rings or MVP’s. It’s about impact metrics. And Jordan and Lebron are neck and neck in them

@ja8ames 2 года назад

Great series, fantastic work Ben! However you might work it in, I'd be really interested to see something on Charles Barkley. He was such a unique, unconventionally dominant player in his own way, it would be cool to see your perspective on him.

@NickTriant23 3 года назад

The Greatest basketball series on RU-vid came to an end. Sad to see it go but thank you very much for these videos. I'm going to refer to them for the rest of my life probably, when contemplating about some of these players. Would love to see something similar in the future with the guys that just missed out on this list, such as Chuck and DWade!

@gamemeister27 3 года назад

Oh man is he making the KG argument!? OH MY GOD HE'S DOING IT! YES! YES! I LOVE YOU! THE STATE OF MINNESOTA LOVES YOU! YOU ARE WELCOME IN EVERY HOUSEHOLD, YOU GET FREE HOTDISH FOR LIFE, AAAAAAAA!!!!

@bcyost1908 3 года назад

As a minnesotan, I liked this because of your use of hotdish.

@gamemeister27 3 года назад

@@bcyost1908 I'm a native after all

@moaden9553 3 года назад

No cap lol 😂 😂😂😂

@shockboomjj7070 3 года назад

1:16 there is a graphical area when you say what years the criteria fall into (graphic says 1997-2020)

@TheBest-gf8qo 3 года назад

He meant 1977 I think

@ThinkingBasketball 3 года назад

Nice catch! That's my subconscious wishing the ABA existed until 1997.

@TheBest-gf8qo 3 года назад

@@ThinkingBasketball While we're on the topic, could you make a series about the forgotten stars of the ABA and their placement amongst the basketball greats? Love this series btw

@davidolinger3948 3 года назад

@@TheBest-gf8qo man I miss ABA dr j, he was rediculous

@hmmBEEFY 3 года назад

Glad someone else caught that

@Chaching632 3 года назад

These videos are incredibly details. Wow thank you!

@niki8280 3 года назад

This is perhaps my favorite youtube series ever! Extremely well done, dude!

@GeorgeElEmery 3 года назад

Why the f*** am I crying like this is the end of Friends or something?! Fantastic series 😭

@yungluluu 3 года назад

I swear bro 😂😂😂😂😂

@YoungPhenix 3 года назад

Same bub

@bobbyjankins3796 3 года назад

i feel you man when the outro came on i felt like i just finished a long journey

@dusk6159 3 года назад

It seems like yesterday that I was watching the YT announcement video and started waiting lol Or the Wilt vs Bill precursor video. Wow!

@jonathanoka7866 3 года назад

Probably bc u watch friends lol

@secretcow4228 3 года назад

JordanHeads: "He had us in the first half not gonna lie"

@chrischen5048 3 года назад

@You mad Bro!? The thing about LeBron (for me) isn't so much the choking job in 2011. The thing is a lot of players choke, and that sucks, but it's really LeBron's lack of consistent winning that takes away his shine. It's one thing to be the greatest floor raiser of all time, but it doesn't matter how much you raise the floor if you're not winning championships. Moreover, I know LeBron is catching up in terms of his championships, but I do think his longevity (also important) is a factor. I don't think very many players have the opportunity to play at their peak for as long as LeBron has (not sure if that should be attributed to him or science) and that skews things (though I'd give it to Lebron though). If Jordan was Jordan, but without the titles, we wouldn't even come close to seeing him in the same light.

@ObnoxiousOtter8 3 года назад

Chris Chen man you really saying that you’re disappointed in Brin for not winning with Matthew delly and an aged Kyle korver in a finals starting 5 against prime super team warriors? Come on now.

@ObnoxiousOtter8 3 года назад

Chris Chen didn’t mean for it to come off as stupid as it reads btw, it was a good and well thought take.

@leultrainstinct406 3 года назад

@You mad Bro!? top two, no lower than that. As much as you hate him, you can’t deny that they’re sitting at the top of the mountain and everyone is below them. Eh, the generic reason lol. Sure you have 2011, but you also have 2016 which was the greatest finals performance of all time against the 2nd greatest team ever. That performance alone should’ve completely scrubbed away 2011.

@leultrainstinct406 3 года назад

@@chrischen5048 tons of players who played in this era don’t have primes nearly as long as Lebron, so it’s a lot more than just science(Kobe, wade, Vince, Carmelo, etc.) Science alone isn’t enough to make a 36 year old man in his 18th season the best player in the world. That’s just greatness at that point. To your championship point, you have to think about the context. 2007, he took a team of scrubs to the finals against the spurs dynasty. 2014 he was against the spurs dynasty again but wade and bosh were too injured to show up. 2015, he was up against a 67 win team alone with role players as support. 2017 he had a great team but KD just made things unfair. 2018 he had an even worse team then before, STILL dragged them to the finals, but was against the 73-9 warriors+KD. So only 2011 is his fault, and the fact he can carry teams like nobody else in history is a testament to his greatness, and why he’s called the best floor raiser ever.

@shamgar86 3 года назад

I have loved most of your work (I say most, 'cause I haven't watched ALL of your videos), but this was my favorite series yet. I truly hope for another 3 or 4 volumes of this series. Thanks a bunch. Good stuff.

@ianrhodes8786 3 года назад

this series was absolutely incredible, thank you !!

@ImBarryScottCSS 3 года назад

Without doubt this series challenged my own preconceptions and furthered my ability to analyse players on what is/is not valuable. That's what this is all about, it's not about who's number one and who's number 6, that's your choice, it's about the process of making the choice and you explained that process perfectly. Thanks for such wonderful content and I really hope this channel keeps moving forward and the content keeps flowing 👍

@jiuc9314 3 года назад

I'm so happy that I found this channel, thank you so much for all the insight and research you've done.

@meircohen4814 3 года назад

Thank you so much! I was waiting for the videos to come out! I really appreciate all the hard work. It was the greatest youtube series I have ever seen probably.

@adampohlen2133 3 года назад

KG is the most underrated player of all time because he was on the Wolves

@kingdinodragonite3470 3 года назад

Facts. It’s still disgusting how Lakers fans taunt me that I said KG was better than Kobe smh.

@a-a-rondavis9438 3 года назад

@@kingdinodragonite3470 he ain't better than Kobe, but is RIGHT there in the mix of greatest PF's of all-time. Skill-wise, I think so.

@kingdinodragonite3470 3 года назад

@@a-a-rondavis9438 you would not say that if Kobe was on the hornets and the Wolves didn’t fuck up with that bullshit scandal that costed them 5 first round draft picks.

@allanhouston6759 3 года назад

KG is overrated.

@FuShengAlex 3 года назад

@@allanhouston6759 wow....finally a comment from you I can agree with 😆

@noparkingbp7355 3 года назад

You legitimately deserve a job at ESPN or some major sports network with this intensive and accurate basketball analysis. It’s just so good

@daltongiddings2771 3 года назад

We just lost Coach Daniel, please let me get through that before we lose Ben too 😂

@mskomu 3 года назад

Masses are not interested in truth. They are interested in stories instead. Read the news or follow pro sport "analysts". It's about stories and narratives, because those sell. I hate to day it, but Thinking Basketball is a niche thing. It will never attract the majority, but it's so great that all the niche followers root for it.

@kingz5493 3 года назад

@@mskomu Yeah Idk about that it could be easily marketable I mean he gets hella views anyway the problem is the live cable tv format he’d actually be great having a tv show like series.

@bcyost1908 3 года назад

Ben is way too good for ESPN.

@adamjohnson1966 3 года назад

@@mskomu well said and unfortunately true

@macnolds4145 3 года назад

I love this channel so much. Just fair, detailed, analysis with good graphics and even better stats (and with context!)

@Mercurial. Год назад

Fair detailed? How?

@markyd02 8 месяцев назад

Really fantastic series. This channel stands out in a strong and competitive NBA RU-vid landscape. A cut above!

@jesusshuttleworth6301 3 года назад

This is definitely the greatest basketball series of all time.

@leultrainstinct406 3 года назад

It’s up there with “making the case”

@LommeMann1 3 года назад

This is seriously my favourite RU-vid series ever. You deserve way more subscribers. Props to the whole team, keep up the excellent work!

@toxictoast6599 3 года назад

Great series! I would love it if you went back and did some Stat dives on those earlier players you mentioned. Oscar R, West, Havlicek, and revisiting Russel and Wilt with their own videos. 👍

@narayandejesus218 3 года назад

This was so entertaining and enjoyable, it was also a basketball learning experience. Thank you!

@palebluedot930g76 3 года назад

Ben, your attention at minimizing biases is charming. Love your work, this series was a bliss.

@MindfulAttraction 3 года назад

I'll watch this when I can relax and watch it

@okeythegoat2332 3 года назад

@mydogsnameislucy768 3 года назад

Facts. Imma just see the top spot right now. Lol

@johnsmith1474 3 года назад

Like anyone gives a shit ...

@fw9512 3 года назад

@@johnsmith1474 what’s wrong with you

@KyleNamiteVlogs 3 года назад

@@johnsmith1474 oh god a stereotypical mean white man 😂😂😂

@hennore 3 года назад

More nerve-racking: switching Bron and Jordan back and forth OR the bouncing Kawhi buzzer-beater? 🤷🏾‍♂️

@nickbeaver3601 3 года назад

Dude, very in depth analysis. THANK YOU

@Chairsium 3 года назад

This was one hell of a series, best basketball content on RU-vid for sure.

@andythedeane 3 года назад

Loved this series! Can’t wait to see what’s next!!! I think I’m going to rewatch them because it just was so much fun.

@toobasaurus23 2 года назад

Your analysis videos are insightful and immensely entertaining for basketball fans. Thank you. I'm subbed. Keep them coming.

@adamjohnson1966 3 года назад

Absolutely phenomenal work, Ben. This was simply excellent.

@packerfanbd1995 3 года назад

Well...that was just phenomenal. Great work Ben, we all appreciate the insane amount of work that's clearly gone into this series. I'm looking forward to your next project.

@felipewidderson4832 3 года назад

I appreciate, the amount of work that goes into these videos. Thank you for thinking basketball, not just reacting to it.

@carlflannagan9592 3 года назад

Great series so detailed and interesting and has increased my knowledge of basketball greatly and had shown my yet value of certain players i undervalued keep up the great work

@b_dog-kg9zq 3 года назад

Fantastic series, one of the best I've ever seen on RU-vid

@AsadKhan-tz6vr 3 года назад

I loved this series. You really make the game more fun to watch for me. I hope you can do a series on single year peaks i.e. 94 Pippen, 03 T-mac, 09 Wade etc.

@aaanawaleh Год назад

Its interesting how those single year peaks weren't in their championship winning seasons.

@zotanica 11 месяцев назад

@@aaanawalehpeaks usually occur when they take a lot of the offensive load(=less help, less championship aspirations)

@SirKibblestein 3 года назад

This was literally the best basketball analysis series

@GianlucOne88 3 года назад

As well curated and beautifully carried out series as you can find on youtube. Truly great

@kursadkozelo1042 3 года назад

Truly amazing series, taking into account all those variables really makes the picture more clear

@Links2077 3 года назад

one day we need a breakdown for chris paul from you brother

@willc3155 3 года назад

Thank you so much for this series! Do you think you'd ever do a "greatest teams" series as well?

@doublefieldli Год назад

I have to say, this is the BEST basketball analysis series!!!! and it's so much more knowledgable than those from ESPN. this is real substance! THANK YOU

@coimbrahero 3 года назад

one of the greatest series iver ever seen. loved seeing you r insight and knowledge about basktball. keep up the grat work

@h7m156 3 года назад

This is some of the greatest basketball break down ever love the channel🖤

@samuelyuan291 3 года назад

Everyone's range is at 3rd because of Lebron and Jordan lmao

@leultrainstinct406 3 года назад

Greatest players of all time. The order is interchangeable, but they’re above everyone else

@carterpatterson8149 3 года назад

Love the content Ben, this series is one of if not the best basketball analytical series ever!! Since you didn’t do a Dirk Nowitzki video for this series could you do a video on the best title runs of all time ?

@yusufjibrel7465 Год назад

Phenomenal series, watched every episode great stuff!!!

@piripiao245 3 года назад

*Brb gotta rewatch this series all over again.*

@ReCharredSigh 3 года назад

one thing i appreciate about you listing the top 10 peaks is you acknowledging that the order isn't set in stone and can vary depending on how you optimistically view them, like some players being listed around the lower 6-10 range but can be bumped up as high as 3. ie, it's not a contest; these guys are all really good, and it's tough to definitely tier them.

@elroz1675 3 года назад

exactly. many overlooked that factor.

@Arthur5000 3 года назад

True

@kscotth 3 года назад

This was a really awesome and unique RU-vid series. Really well done. Very interesting. Thanks alot.

@InterFectorem06 3 года назад

This series has been so much fun. Thank you

@jappinjames 3 года назад

Told my wife that I feel like I was a part of something epic. Thanks Ben

@cameroncampbell1638 3 года назад

You were right.

@raysmith6731 3 года назад

These videos are the best part of my week

@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 3 года назад

NO THEY SUCK HE DISRESPECTS LEGOAT

@matthewbodony4000 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 I hope you’re joking ( doesn’t even matter if you think Lebron’s the goat, these are high effort extremely high quality videos using stats and numbers to provide information to the viewer).

@acpliego 3 года назад

@@zamitlegoatis10-0inmybooks5 como on fanboy. LeBron is questionably tied at 1. Let’s analyze, why do you think he’s disrespected ?

@RohitRoy-lj8zx 3 года назад

Loved this series...keep making such videos

@injusticeanywherethreatens4810 3 года назад

Thanks for all the work that you've done Ben. You have my dream job.

@iisaii 3 года назад

literally took my lunch break now just to watch this masterpiece lol but I’m gonna miss the greatest peaks series :(

@Raghuveer2798 3 года назад

It's so amazing that even after 18 years since MJ's retirement, people still think he's the greatest.

@Max-kv8uw 3 года назад

(peak)

@yvans. 3 года назад

@@Max-kv8uw well Ben had him as his GOAT Edit: In fact he got Kareem as number 1, MJ number 2 and Bron number 3

@murm9460 3 года назад

@@yvans. as the goat perhaps (legacy,accolades etc.) but he has admitted to lebron being a better basketball player in a vacuum. Stating the only reason he would pick jordan over lebron in any scenario would be because of his bias for jordan which is understandable given his age

@haha69sexnumber 3 года назад

@@yvans. He doesn't though, Ben has MJ as a better peak but not a better player

@yvans. 3 года назад

@@haha69sexnumber No he does. He just doesn’t have MJ has His GOAT but he has him over Bron career wise too. Ben consider Kareem had his GOAT check his website you will see.

@VivekAppadurai 3 года назад

Loved the entire series, great work Ben!

@drew5794 3 года назад

Congratulations on an amazing series. 77k views is disrespectful to such an accurate, detailed, and well put together finale.

@diegosantacruz6331 3 года назад

Awesome series! I was just wondering where you think bill russell, wilt and other greats before 1977 would stack up. Such an awesome series. And a great finale. The whole time I was nervous knowing this would determine my opinion on the Lebron vs Jordan debate lol and it was obvious those 2 spots were for them. I'm also curious if you could someday make a series or video on what you think great pairings of superstars that never happened would have been based on their playstyle. I think it would be fun.

@vmrabello 3 года назад

accompanying this really made me feel eager to learn more and more about basketball, and with this series completed, I even feel like I've been part of something. That is awesome content, thanks very much Ben