The 11-Year Civilization Game that Went Out of Control | The Stuff of Legends 

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AND he created the thought police as a military force. That's basically what happens when you have a free-standing military in your cities unbound by roads.

This is the regular reminder that 1984 (and most of George Orwell's works in general) are warnings against tyranny, not instruction manuals.

The idea of a power fantasy taken to a realistic extreme, simply being the dictator of a superpower. Potentially an interesting insight into the psychology of dictators like Stalin. Someone should really reach out and interview that guy, would be an interesting paper to have published.

Guess he never got to the part in the book where Ingsoc turns out to have been a historical footnote of only niche interest.

I think interviewing Stalin might be a bit difficult nowadays.@@dangdudedan8756

O'Brien directly tells us this in the Ministry of Love. The Party wants power for its own sake, not to benefit the people of Oceania.

O'brien does actually "justify" it; it was only ever about power, it needs no reason and is the most openly selfish and evil system imaginable, by design. As previous autocracies failed because they let notions of causes or values taint their will to oppress

If I recall correctly the answer was simply "power" everything they did was for power

"God is Power. We are the priests of power." O'Brien, 1984

That's one of the key points of the book - along with the epilogue text contextualising the book's contents as being a historic footnote of only moderate interest to linguistic historians. Ingsoc was a project of national power that sacrificed every single element of rulership except power itself as an expression of that power, in an attempt to make that power truly unassailable, and failed so completely that in short order the only people who remember it are those whose job it is to care about these things. A major point of the book is that states of absolute control may seem eternal and immortal from the perspective of those inside them, but are in reality very fragile and have to expend massive resources to project that image of invincibility.

We have always been at war with America, not the Vikings. Since the beginning of your life, since the beginning of the history. So says the Ministry of Truth.

As it always is… until it never was

War is peace

At the end of the day the name of the enemy is irrelevant, so long as you recognize them as other.

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I looked it up. That story was hilarious.

Sand giant express is approaching the station. Please stay behind the level restriction line. Next stop pain and suffering

I went and read it; great story! I was a big fan of the carefree and naive character Fansy played in his responses to the mean things the evils said about him.

Considering The Escapist actually interviewed him I'd say this one actually made the perfect sense.

Oh I forgot about Fansy! That would be a great 2 parter.

Agreed

And then a film adaptation.

That would be so cool and engaging.

the older I get, the easier it seems, I realize that I have save files of games from 5 or 6 years ago, most of them sadly don't work anymore because of compatibility issues. but I could imagine myself going back to a game now and then to keep progressing it. the problem is that for me the best part of games like this is the beginning, I always get bored when I get closer to the end and the game becomes progressively more repetitive and slow paced.

The most interesting was he gave the SAV. File away so other could experience first...provide you had a computer that played Civ2

Peace is cringe bro.

From what I recall, not only was the person able to do that but was able to near permanently peace as well, after about another 1000 years

This very well could be a story that takes place in the 40k universe. A planet left to fend for itself after being lost due to a clerical error.

​@@SolarArmadillo Sounds like Krieg. A world devastated by nuclear war kindled by a civil war over independence from the Empire of Men.. Forgotten by the wider Empire for nearly 500 years or so. Once they tried to establish contact again. Only a single transport meet the ambassadors in orbit. Reporting ready for duty again. They were surprised by the huge number of soldiers a now toxic world like Krieg could provide and asked about the civilian population. The answer was simple. "There are no civilian on Krieg. Only Soldiers."

It’s more like 1984

So Warhammer then

Well at least this story is written better than warhammer the end times

Wow, just got it, thanks

I always manage to drive my enemies out to a few tiny far off islands and keep them blockaded there with carriers while the rest the world glistened under a continents spanning "democratic" empire with 90% of taxes directed towards "entertainment" (civ2 equivalent to culture in later games, with a bit of welfare thrown in) each city had its own taxmen and intellectuals, if you're not happy citizen, you're an elvis impersonator, there's nothing left to build, so citizens basically just exist to work tiles and pay taxes (9/10 of it just flips back to them anyway, causing them to celebrate my eternal rule forhundreds of years because everyone's just too darn happy) and THEN overpopulation set in, then too much production gave way to waste and pollution, and my army of engineers (my empire had as many of them as I have military units, basically a whole second army but for public works) had to scramble either terraforming overly productive land or clearing out pollution (each polluted tile contributes to global warming, which eventually sinks coastal cities and turns the rest of the world into crappy swamp) but I'd rather not genocide my few remaining enemies struggling to make ends meet in a bunch of these crappy resourceless islands because that'll prematurely end my game... welp, better go for a spaceship victory then

I'm not a civ player either but I've seen some similar scenarios in Stellaris, it has some grand strategy elements that can keep it from spiraling too far out of control but 4X never changes.

What was the pun?

@@Hifuutorian Missiles with Tom Cruise's face on them. Hence, Cruise missiles.

Say it again! Unh!

As bleak as life gets, we at least don't live in the world where our entire bodies are made of ballsack and everything is covered in cactus spines.

If this is the darkest timeline, then I'd say we got it pretty good.

@@thrownstair Very true.

We as a species have narrowly missed nuclear Armageddon on multiple occasions purely due to luck. I'd say this can't be THE darkest timeline we're in.

Good news....

A little like Asimov's Foundation series ... but just different enough. Someone should do it.

A little like Asimov's Foundation series ... but just different enough. Someone should do it.

Isn’t that Warhammer 40k?

​@@PokeBattlerJazecame here to agree that it did sound like the emperor but with a diary

that is basically 1984, just from a top down point of view.

Do I understand correctly- you mean the civ2 subreddit is inactive?

@@rubz1390 No, I mean that there was more than one subreddit dedicated to this world specifically. How to fix it, worldbuilding, that sort of stuff.

I always imagine a monkey awkwardly trying to sneak about whenever people mispronounce guerrilla. XD

I was trying to place what it reminded me of, and I think you nailed it.

Yeah I mean ... it's not like the game (especially Civ 2) has complex characters or detailed culture. If you're not building up knowledge or culture you're waging war. it's litterally all the game had in it. There is no way you keep a game going for this long without just seeing how the war fronts move around over time. I mean it's kind of facinating how it plays out kinda similar to an old apocalypstic war novel ... but it also feel a bit ... disingenuous with how this guy goes from "help I want to end the war" to "welp back to the old eternal war that I willingly control" in apparently a year and tries to play it off like he's a meriful leader that fell to the corruption of power. Sounds like he just got bored of letting it play out with ZERO player input and decided he wanted to manipulate the cycle and was just too invested in this one save file to let it rest.

@@SimuLord honestly, the dude who made that potion seller video and Jon Bois is my dream collab. I'm pretty sure both of them would drown the world in tears

I mean it took us this long to rediscover Roman concrete. Something that might seem obvious isn't so for everyone.

I think we ended up getting the explanation for this; he didn't really want the game to end. Before he learned all he did, it was subtle, maybe even subconscious, but you can see it in the first post when he talks about using engineers to clean things up when the Vikings stopped being shitheads. For weal or woe... he never pictured a scenario where the game ended in the first place. Maybe it took seeing his path to victory to make him aware it wasn't a path he wanted to follow.

@@Tuss36 We didn't "Rediscover" roman concrete. We just figured out how it was made by the Romans. We have invented stuff that is FAR beyond it in strength. The romans jut didn't have multi ton vehicles moving 60 mph on theirs.

@@StarHeaven07 I honestly think that part was roleplaying.

@@SImrobert2001 I mean, probably. It's fun to play along in turn, though.

Next War mod of Civ 4

In the grim darkness of the 41st century, there is only war.

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When it starts distressing, or otherwise negatively impacting, you and/or your relationships.

@@gogauze So, immediately?

@@gogauze "Shivers in FIFA"

I bought Civ II when it first came out and still regularly play it. It’s addictive in a frightening way.

Frost, you're doing great too, as per usual