The 1843 Side-Lever Hall Carbine by Simeon North

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The final production version of the Hall was Simeon North’s Model 1843 Carbine, of which 10,500 were made between 1844 and 1853. It used North’s percussion update to the design, and a cleverly simple calming lug connected to a lever on the right side of the action to open the breech. These were smoothbore .54 caliber guns, issued to the Dragoons and used in the Mexican-American War.
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@MrRowrow22 4 года назад

Ian’s very annoyed that it isn’t rifled 😂

@richardlathrop61 4 года назад

@@therake8897 Since cavalry fights mounted and most of the time the saber was the preferred weapon smooth bore makes sense. I wish Ian would look at the larger picture. How many times have we heard of black powder fouling rifles after a few shots. It was not until the advent of the Minie ball that black powder rifled muskets became viable.

@jussayinmipeece1069 4 года назад

and it is written that when the gun Jesus saw the unrifled barrel he was displeased and spake thusly. Henceforth any and all guns shall have rifled barrels and the minions complied. The gun Jesus saw this and it was good. Selah!

@zacharyrollick6169 4 года назад

@@richardlathrop61 Ian did mention the fouling.

@jamesellsworth9673 4 года назад

Rifling would have added accuracy to the package for the first few rounds fired after cleaning. Ian's point, I believe, is about taking a big technical step forward and then taking a half step back by not rifling the barrel. What seems to be left out is the dimension of tactical dragoon combat doctrine. Would a rifled barrel be more helpful in scouting and skirmishing? How much combat time was spent fighting dismounted? How important was aimed fire as opposed to mass volley fire?

@jeffreyroot6300 4 года назад

@@richardlathrop61 I have to disagree, US cavalry very rarely fought mounted. Traditionally they still clutched to their sabers as an official primary weapon, but using them in battle was even more rare than fighting mounted. Also, breach loading rifles were much less susceptible to fouling as the projectile carried much of the fouling from previous rounds out with it and didn’t have to be forced down from the muzzle into the fouling.

@thelemon0001 4 года назад

Did I detect a hint of distaste when Ian said "It's smoothbore as well."?

@johnparrish9215 4 года назад

That old girl is in AMAZING condition, I wish I had held up so well......lol

@ScottKenny1978 4 года назад

When 175 years old you get, look that good you will not. 😇

@johnkelinske1449 4 года назад

@@ScottKenny1978 I won't look as good at half that.

@laptop006 4 года назад

Presumably tomorrow we'll see an Oates

@Waty8413 4 года назад

Gee Dad, do you think?

@canbrit4621 4 года назад

Watch out boy... here she comes

@Breakfast_and_Bullets 4 года назад

If he can find one, maybe. I've heard it's a bitch, girl.

@korbetthein3072 4 года назад

I'm surprised anyone remembered Oates.

@burntorangeak 4 года назад

A saw oats play a while back at a bar in Hawaii. Nothing good going on by himself.

@alahos 4 года назад

"Why is it a carbine?" "Cause it ain't rifled!"

@Hacker-ki7qm 4 года назад

Lol

@calebreutener870 4 года назад

@another pleb woosh

@Dennis-vh8tz 4 года назад

Does the smooth bore make it a musketoon instead of a carbine?

@calvingreene90 2 года назад

It is a carbine because it is short for ease of use while on a horse.

@owensenger9728 4 месяца назад

@@Dennis-vh8tzyes

@User_Un_Friendly 4 года назад

Isn’t it about time for a Calico video?🤣

@Hansengineering 4 года назад

It's broken.

@Hansengineering 4 года назад

@@rubbafunk It broke on video, and he discussed it in comments.

@onpsxmember 4 года назад

@@Hansengineering Malfunction =/= broke. Or did I miss another video?

@rogainegaming6924 4 года назад

@@onpsxmember afaik either a spring in the mag broke or the extractor is fuzzed. Been a few weeks since ive seen the video.

@Hansengineering 4 года назад

@@onpsxmember you missed the discussion, apparently. If a firearm malfs repeatedly, it is broken, even if there's no part physically broken. He even shot a match with the Hotchkiss Universal explicitly because the Calico was not functional.

@zendell37 4 года назад

This piece is in absolutely amazing condition. Did they find it in a stasis pod somewhere?

@JamesThomas-gg6il 4 года назад

The Hall models are so cool in and of themselves. Honestly if i ever hit the lottery ill start my own collection, but until then i guess ill just have to watch whatever Ian finds to show

@d33b33 4 года назад

Smoothbore is quite horrible. If ever you've been invited to a paintball match and thought "I'm a pretty good shot, I'm gonna be okay." No. You can actually see the balls curving out in random directions.

@sparetime2475 4 года назад

Laughs in abrams

@MrMattumbo 4 года назад

@@sparetime2475 Fin stabilized projectiles fix that problem obviously.

@AM-hf9kk 4 года назад

Luckily "spray and pray" is a viable option with a large hopper of ammo. You don't aim a paintball so much as intuit the area you want to hit as you shoot from the hip.

@Waty8413 4 года назад

While not terribly accurate, smoothbore muskets are generally more accurate than that. There are many videos on YT demonstrating practical accuracy of smoothbores.

@itsapittie 4 года назад

Check out British Muzzle Loaders' videos for some demonstrations with smoothbore muskets. When made to military standards, they're more accurate than I used to think. Consistently hitting man-sized targets at 50-100 yards is definitely possible.

@tylerjirkovsky482 3 года назад

Side levers are actually pretty genius, like it probably saves you lots of time, idk why thay dont do it on more guns like snipers, Unless 👉👈

@M_White_VA 4 года назад

You were in my dream last night. We were on a ferry. You were super cool. You showed us some videos on your phone that hadn't been posted yet. Then I woke up 😔

@MrAnticlimate 4 года назад

Why is it that it's mostly the Springfield Armory that's cited as the source of modern mass production, if Hall had such an obvious early success at Harper's Ferry? He's like an unsung hero of the industrial revolution :).

@tomhalla426 2 года назад

Most of the references I saw cite Whitney as introducing interchangeable parts, not Springfield or Harpers Ferry.

@davidkermes376 Год назад

@@tomhalla426 whitney actually conned the government inspectors by carefully cherry-picking the parts he used in his exchange demonstration.

@robertrobert7924 4 года назад

Thank you Ian. I was not aware of this last version, so I learned something new today. I agree with you that the smoothbore idea was unfortunate. Dragoons often complained about the smoothbore .69 cal 1847 percussion Musketoon as inaccurate, also.

@jscancella 4 года назад

Ian in 2120: Today we're taking a look at some cool early 3d printed guns...

@charles_wipman 4 года назад

Look pretty good to me, only issues... the thing in the middle of the sight and that's a smoothbore; other than that... looks great to me.

@MrJonathandcrow 4 года назад

Has Mae Shot This Yet ?

@slaughterhound8793 4 года назад

When I first saw a Hall "in the flesh" last year at Fort Scott National Historic Site in Kansas, I was really surprised to learn that those carbines weren't rifled.

@junichiroyamashita 4 года назад

Hey Ian,ever found a volley rifle similar to the double one and the Pieper we already saw?

@itsapittie 4 года назад

Clever and elegant! This example is in amazingly good condition. Poverty sucks.

@troy9477 4 года назад

Amazing condition, especially the wood. I would love to know where it came from. Someone loved that rifle. It is in better condition than i am, and i am barely 1/4 of its age!😃 Knew a little about the Hall from 1 or 2 gunzine articles over the years (thank you Garry James). I forgot that they made smoothbore ones. Great video as always. Thank you

@billd.iniowa2263 4 года назад

Thanx for this Ian. Your presentations are always very good. Yes, the smooth bore thing really threw me. Especially in a carbine! Would love to know the reasoning behind that decision.

@richardprice7763 4 года назад

Seems like a nice 'handy' little rifle!

@rogerramiussergeialexander5541 4 года назад

Well, a handy breach-loading-musket-carbine-thing anyway. 😝

@richardprice7763 4 года назад

@@rogerramiussergeialexander5541 I just like the way Ian calls anything short 'handy'...

@RockIslandAuctionCompany 4 года назад

Such an unsung rifle! Glad to see it get its due.

@zacharyrollick6169 4 года назад

*Casually pulls out second rare gun*

@Mrgunsngear 4 года назад

very cool gun

@LCO344 4 года назад

I love this gun, it looks so elegant yet simple

@iobey 4 года назад

Never saw this variant of Hall Rifle, and I must say the sidelock design is ingenious, yet simple enough solution for the Rifle.

@michaelcarrinton585 4 года назад

That is a beautiful piece (Even if it ain't rifled ! ), the stock looks like it was made yesterday. Great Video as always! !

@lilliansullivan5867 3 года назад

Vs. a muzzleloader, loading a Hall would seem to be vastly easier when on your belly, hunkered down behind a rock, or when remaining in the saddle.

@kikichevy 3 года назад

Of course Ian presents a very rare and ancient rifle from the 1800s, and during the video pulls out the even older and rarer version from under the table...

@PitFriend1 4 года назад

Could it have been made a smoothbore in order to use shot or buck and ball loads for cavalry? Basically to make them into shotguns for close range on the move firing? Rifled barrels wouldn’t be as good for those kind of loads.

@jamesellsworth9673 4 года назад

Once again, HIGHLY INTERESTING content.

@ОлегКозлов-ю9т 4 года назад

Last time I was this early, tsarina Ekaterina thought it was a good idea to support British colonies' fight for independence

@jimcappa6815 3 года назад

This carbine is in amazing condition! It looks like North definitely took the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' mentality when it came to making improvements to the Hall system.

@kbjerke 4 года назад

Ian - does it have that "Kalashnikov Klack?" ;-)

@TheDiameter 4 года назад

That Klick-Klack is probably the most iconic rifle charging sound

@kbjerke 4 года назад

@@TheDiameter I actually was referring to the AK safety, which I thought bears an uncanny resemblance to the Hall's side lever. Just funnin'!

@itsapittie 4 года назад

@@kbjerke that was actually my first thought as well.

@TomSedgman 4 года назад

Wow, i've seen SA80s in worse condition than that!

@cpcw06 4 года назад

Beautiful firearm! Perfect timing of this video, just got my copy of Hall's Military Breechloaders in the mail today! Ian needs to do another book review

@96_stars22 4 года назад

Early squad. Quite an elegant weapon

@michaelathens953 4 года назад

Funny you'd say that; about 1 minute in I also thought to myself "that sure is a handsome long gun".

@pyrobob5724 4 года назад

For a more civilized age?

@FORDboy357 4 года назад

...for a more civilized age

@EzioIlMentore 4 года назад

Damn... I actually now wanna see videos of someone firing this.

@daviddavis584 4 года назад

Thats a nice ass gun.

@Marci124 4 года назад

The old locking lug was rounded, and the new ones straight. Probably another simplification, I thought Ian would mention it.

@nicholasbrownlee4209 4 года назад

Simeon North must have been monkeying around for a while to come up with this design.

@tyrantworm7392 4 года назад

I dealt with a bloke at work called Simeon Gibbons, how much must his parents have hated him.

@nicholasbrownlee4209 4 года назад

@@tyrantworm7392 Your comment made me laugh probably more than it should have.

@kingdarkem 4 года назад

Wish I could find blueprints or designs to sit down and study of these odd ball guns. They are fascinating seeing all the different designs. Wish the original manufacturing designs were for sale.

@SkylersRants 4 года назад

Wow, I’d never even heard of this rifle before. How could anyone see this rifle and not quit muzzle loading forever? Thanks for educating me about it.

@Waty8413 4 года назад

Simple, they saw the price tag.

@TheRumbles13 4 года назад

PRESENT

@Taistelukalkkuna 4 года назад

At ease. Enjoy the presentation. =)

@TheMrPeteChannel 4 года назад

Gun Jesus tells us the final chapter in the tale of Saint Hall.

@karthimechify 3 года назад

What's the use of having the breechblock vs an usual full barrel cap and ball ? Can someone explain iam new to this .. i love ap and ball antiques

@Dapstart 4 года назад

This gun is in such good condition I honestly would've thought it was a reproduction

@dobypilgrim6160 4 года назад

Condition is just stunning.

@brutedude1 4 года назад

If you've ever watched forgotten weapons on the toilet, hit the subscribe button.

@dudesqr 4 года назад

If you squint, you can almost see it as the M-0 Garand

@donolbers9446 3 года назад

Is it just my eyes, or does the early version have a slight radius on the locking lugs, while the side lever's lug is straight?

@itdwellsinthewoods 2 года назад

I wonder if they were using buck and ball in these things, intending for them to be a faster musketoon rather than a rifle, still seen as a precision instrument rather than a general issue weapon

@highlandoutsider 4 года назад

3:20 with all the changes to the flintlocks it wasn't really just a conversion but more an overHall? Sorry 😂🤦

@deadflowers7017 4 года назад

You can let yourself out, now ;)

@ScottKenny1978 4 года назад

Okay, no more Dad Jokes! Back to the salt mines with you!!! 😜

@kerrycoleman8395 4 года назад

It’s like when the AR went from browning to colt

@austinm.9832 4 года назад

What do you mean by that, are you talking about the BAR?

@kerrycoleman8395 4 года назад

@@austinm.9832 no, I was referencing when the AR-15 went from browning management to colt management.

@aqui1ifer 3 года назад

@@kerrycoleman8395 Browning wasn’t involved with Armalite at all.

@franksaunders800 Год назад

Was the Hall rifle ever modified to use the Minne bullet or did it remain using a round ball?

@PositionLight 4 года назад

Middletown Connecticut shout out on the markings. Woo!

@DanielM111 4 года назад

What made percussion caps cheaper than flintlocks?

@MFGordon 4 года назад

No mention of Samuel Chamberlain? Wow.

@evocati6523 2 года назад

That wood looks immaculate for its age

@brucemccreary38 4 года назад

No rifling!!! "I Can't Go for That, no no,( no ) no can do."

@reneschaap8091 4 года назад

kijk dat is weer een heel interessant verhaal en een prachtig wapen . opa

@ScottKenny1978 4 года назад

Wow, that's in gorgeous condition!!!

@hardyanpajero69 4 года назад

👍😎☕🍩

@THR33SIXX3MPYR 4 года назад

Good morning everyone!

@UXB1000 4 года назад

Good morning to you sir. It's night time here where I am, so hopefully Ian's video got you off to a good start for the day.

@peterfinland1370 4 года назад

You could almost use the breech block as a gun in itself.

@itsapittie 4 года назад

Yes you could. I have read that during the occupation of Mexico City the commanders had to issue strict orders against taking the breech blocks out of the carbines to carry in a pocket in the sketchier parts of town. It may be a myth (military stories often are) but it's certainly plausible. I suspect it wouldn't be any fun to shoot but it's better than bleeding out in a gutter.

@KonradSeverinHilstad 4 года назад

Ok, this looks like an American kammerlader

@JamesChildress-pk2tz 7 месяцев назад

Could you find a Feruson rifle to display

@burnsboysaresoldiers 4 года назад

So when hostilities in the civil war broke out why didn't the federals ramp up production of the hall? It was a well proven design and had a combat record? The Sharps and Spencers are great but the Halls could have been produced at the fed armories.

@atfyoutubedivision955 3 года назад

The Hall was produced at Harpers Ferry and that armory was under Rebel control at the beginning of the war. Also the introduction of Minie balls negated the main advantage of the hall, that being accuracy and rapidity of fire.

@alanvonify 4 года назад

Cool

@SuperODST1 2 года назад

I came here because Taylor Anderson's Artillerymen series, a spinoff prequel of his Destroyermen series, features Hall carbines prominently in the hands of 1847 US Army dragoons, even including the maintenance issues.

@reesehuntiii3070 Год назад

Very cool Rifle. It's fun taking a break from studying the Mexican American War to learn about the weapons used.

@badweetabix 4 года назад

Where's the bayonet lug? How can you have military rifle in 1840's with no bayonet? Since it is a breechloader, it would not interfere with loading.

@kodiakkeith 4 года назад

The Minie' ball made the Hall obsolete about 1855. It may seem like a step back to return to a front loading percussion rifle, but the cost and simplification of manufacture ($20 each in 1861) made the Springfield the weapon of choice for arming a large army. I suspect a Springfield 1861 was also much less prone to damage in the field.

@inutted4594 4 года назад

Hi Ian I actually have a great idea for a video for you why don't you go through the decades from the year 1900 to 2000 and in your opinion what you would say would be the best handgun,shotgun, SMG, LMG, etc just an idea

@redsky8509 4 года назад

very much enjoy, thank you.

@madcynic 4 года назад

Really have trouble believing this is the original stock. What are the odds of it and the cartouche being replacements/faked?

@saiyanelite0979 4 года назад

Early

@andrewreegs6319 4 года назад

Weird 19th century breachloaders is ny favorite Forgotten Weapons genre

@davidkermes376 Год назад

it amazes me that the army didn't continue with the hall rifle and instead went back to muzzle loaders. but then again they resisted rifling muskets even longer.

@theangel7208 4 года назад

Man its been trip I remember coming across your channel looking up revols and back then the most views on a video would be like 3 to 4 thousand views

@michaelrobbins6694 4 года назад

Pttth more research required!

@jblico 4 года назад

kinda looks like a m1 garand lmao

@thepoglin8479 4 года назад

i love ians entire channel is just him talking about a cool weapon or somethin like that and people love it for that

@fernpaz9570 4 года назад

Thanks Ian, still enjoying the Hall collection. Keep up the work!

@carloslalik4346 4 года назад

Amazing condition, a couple of question: Those carbines were re-barreled (with rifled barrels), Do they maintain the .54 caliber?, Ballistic of that caliber? (muzzle velocity, bullet weight, etc. Best regards from Argentina. Espectacular estado de conservación, un par de preguntas. Esas carabinas recibieron nuevos cañones (cañones estriados) ¿mantuvieron el calibre 54? Cual es la balística de ese calibre? velocidad en boca, peso de la punta, etc. Saludos desde Argentina

@johnkelinske1449 4 года назад

They didn't rebarrel them, they just bored out and rifled the existing ones.

@carloslalik4346 4 года назад

@@johnkelinske1449 Thank you for the explanation John!

@johnkelinske1449 4 года назад

@@carloslalik4346 You are welcome! The Hall really doesn't have a receiver as such, the two iron straps that hold the breech block chocks are just screwed to the sides of the barrel.

@carloslalik4346 4 года назад

@@johnkelinske1449 Oh, I didin´t know that, thanks, So I undestand thatthe conversion work was easy, correct?

@johnkelinske1449 4 года назад

@@carloslalik4346 Pretty much, they went to the standard musket caliber of .58, some of these were done by various contractors. In one instance this resulted in a huge scandal where the Government was buying back their own weapons they had sold as surplus but the buyer didn't actually have legal title to at the time. Caused great embarrassment for President Lincoln and the General responsible to be dismissed.