The 2004 Ferrari on Slicks in Completely BROKEN 

"a yoke!"

Then Give f2004 also the reg limitation of the w11 (so not just the good stuff like slick tyres) and f2004 would look like a F2/F3 car

Williams BMW with Kubica driving still holds the record for highest speed acheived in F1 at over 370kmh

@@marcomolinari94 Pretty much. What would the W11 look like with a power unit unrestricted and only needing to last one session like the V10’s?

@@justinfrazier9566 well than you can give the v10 a MGU-K unit too and it has well over 1000HP too... its already confirmed on slicks the v10 Era is faster than the hybrid era... the corner speed of these cars is unmatched...

And it will stay for a long time since the modern cars are way slower in race trim

Pretty crazy that in 20 years, no-one has been able to break it

raikkonen 1: 19,119(2018) , Leclerc 1: 19,307(2019) ,hamilton 1: 18,887 (2020) break it many times.

V10 Engine Monster POWER!

Guess it's easy to work out when F1 peaked then

Some of the previous Mercedes cars had better top speed, I remember the 2017-2018 ones were rockets down the straights. then Mercedes started to use a barn door for a rear wing...

⁠@@AndresSztabathe 2018 one was slow compared to ferrari down the straights, especially in tracks like SPA. Ferrari was cheating but it was faster in the straights even though it failed to win the championship.

@@edk1124 In Spa 2017's pole lap, the Mercedes speed trap was about 340 at the end of the kemmel straight, so not slow at all, and in 2018, in Q2 before the rain, they had a similar speed. Yes you can argue that they had a 15-20kph advantage due to the DRS, but still, not that they were bricks those seasons. Now, 2019 and 2020 are a different tale as Mercedes went a different way with their aero design...

Back in that period track was faster, well, the bus stop chicane was faster, the new one is slower, and makes the overall lap longer. Plus, I think the F2004 mod in AC is a bit "happy" in terms of performance, looks like a bit on steroids. Having been close to race cars for a time, to me there's no way the F2004 can be faster (or that much, at least) than a car from 2020. Yes, the F2004 can have a better top speed, but on cornering, even with slicks, idk man. The conversation about this could be unending, but I see it this way, even if in a sim, is cool to see that comparison, but the only real way to put them head to head is to have them both at the same time on track, set up and cracked-up like there's no tomorrow...

​@@AndresSztabaactually it's down on power, and doesn't hit as high top speeds as the real car, the quali trim f2004 has around 60hp more than the car does in ac, the only reason it doesn't hold more track records is because, either A; the track has changed and therefore the lap time is irrelavent, B; the tyres were literally made of concrete, C; they qualified on race fuel load. Even with the super hard grooved tyres the 2004 cars are faster across race distance basically around any circuit. The AC f2004 has about as much downforce as a modern gte car, and way more drag. Most non gt3 kunos cars are slower than they are in real life, but for the sake of the experiment we can just assume that it's accurate.

spa has changed quite a bit, you can't really compare the lap times from that era with the modern circuit

@@houseking9211 They qualified on race fuel (in reality, the fuel load they'd start the race with, that could be full tank, half a tank, or whatever, since refilling was allowed), so it's not like they were just as heavy as now. The track hasn't changed that much in layout, only the bus stop is different, yeah you can say runoffs and kerbs, but that doesn't change the layout. The tyres were made of concrete, yes, that's one of the things I mentioned in my other comment, and why I just assumed that we just go and compare them assuming they (F2004 and say, a Mercedes W11) use the exact same slicks, at the same time on the same track, to throw that difference out the window. Now, when you mention power and the F2004 having about 60hp more in qualy than in race trim, that would be around 900-920hp (F2004 wasn't the most powerful car on the grid, both Mercedes and Williams had more juice), with the car weighing 610kg let's assume, a power-weight ratio of around 1.51hp/kg, vs a W11 with a 1000hp flat in qualy trim, weighing 730kg, a ratio of 1.37hp/kg, so slightly in favor of the F2004. With similar weight and power, an extra gear comes in handy (W11 ftw), on acceleration both are very similar, even considering gearing ratios that you can choose from in the F2004, so, let's say both are once again equal, same as with the tyre side. Yes you can say the old Ferrari is smaller and can have an edge on top speed even without DRS, so we give the Ferrari the edge there. Old cars were/are faster than the 2020 ones in race pace (in some tracks) due to the refueling being allowed, so the drivers could drive them harder for longer sections of the race, another item we just give the edge to the F2004. Now comes the rest of things I mentioned in my other comments, aero, suspension, steering, and all of that, and there's not even a slight chance the old Ferrari is better in any of those aspects than a 2020 Mercedes, they're not even close...

To summarize, the F2004 was a great car, yes, and it held its pace/records for quite a long time, and all that stuff, but from a technician's (mine) perspective, it has been surpassed by a margin, and also, yes, a comparison with slicks could bring it way closer to a more modern F1 machine, I think it doesn't have that big of a chance of coming out on top...

Would be embarrassing to see an old car go so much quicker. Best not to disappoint the new fans.

@@ColonelJohnmatrix1000 That's F1's concern, not Ferrari's. They should do it with Hamilton in 2025, though. If he goes for title 8 (beating Schumi's 7), it would cool to have him drive Schumacher's most dominant car

Maybe 7G in some corners?

​@@emmanuelgalasso easily if not more

^ this. All we have is simulations, we don’t actually know what affect the forces on the aero and suspension would have had and whether the car could actually handle them…

While I don't play ACC, it looks pretty different to how it looks in GT7 certainly - that big mound to the left after turn one is distracting me with its' presence! 😯😂😀🤘 .

On current tyres it'll probably need to run the medium compound anyway. The super/ultra soft might just melt before it gets through a lap at Spa.

Yes I did, but there would have been 0 difference on lap time, it was a small wheel snap that took me wide.

W11 was just fastest car that broke shit ton of lap records, nothing else, it was ridiculously fast

@@stefan.marsenicc but then, why infamous? 😂

On another note, there is a limit on the amount of "exotic materials" that can be used for the cars and engines... can we all agree that ridiculous imagine if there was a ban on exotic material when the chassis was still made out of aluminium and steel trellis frame. we would never have gotten the Litteral space technology carbon fibre monocoque. There is a budget cap now so who cares if they coat the pistons in alien dust as long as it's under budget and passes crash tests it should be allowed.

good thing about games is that aesthetics can be separated with physics, lap times are just 7 seconds faster than 2002 qualifying lap which was done on race fuel and grooved tyres, it adds up

wait, really??

the v10's that runned on F1 are a completely different beast from a road spec v10. we are talking about an engine that can effordlessly reach 15k rpm without melting itself and can touch 900+ hp on qualify trim on a 3L engine... those things devoured fuel and F1 wants to be as fuel efficient as possible and fuel efficient a v10 isnt, when you compare the two F1 engines. its actually ridiculous just how much fuel efficient those hybrid v6 are.

Fuel efficiency isn't really their biggest concern going into the next regs because they're changing to sustainable fuels. I think the real concern is how often V10s blow up. You're not going to magically make that go away and the teams probably aren't into it. Ferrari also doesn't have a brand identity association with V10s so they probably aren't that eager to switch to them. Even a switch to V8s would be an improvement though @@sch3ffel

If we are speaking realistically on spa it is possible for slicks to shave off those 5 seconds give or take. Spa is a much larger track than Abu dhabi and Alonso car was detuned to have around 100BHP-200BHP less as well as RPM being limited to save the engine. The switch from slicks grove tires rules were made to slow the car down to have more competitive racing, now with modern slick sticky tires its totally possible.

@@GT_FREAK you can also say the current cars have to carry so many safety features that add well over 50 kg of weight plus all the weight of the hybrid systems that certainly make them more slow than what they gain with 160hp. Also Spa is a long track, but it's mostly 2 long straights, where abu dhabi is all abound low speed cornering where lightness of the old cars really help. Even if the 200bhb that Alonso's car lost cost him 3 seconds, it's still very far from being 5 seconds faster than Abu dhabi 2020 pole.

@@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6295in 2020 Abu Dhabi had layout with few traction zones which quite literally would make him lose time with detuned engine

@@stefan.marsenicc maybe 3 seconds, but not 8 seconds.

@@GT_FREAK Still, the power-weight ratio on both cars is relatively similar (a topic NO ONE talks about, and is a major one), and that in medium-high speed corners doesn't favor any of those cars more than the other. Then you have suspension, aero, gearbox, tolerances, and all that, and on that I'm pretty sure the 2020 Merc is above the F2004, especially aero and suspension. Now about the tires, idk what model he uses there, if the 2013 ones, or the big fat 2017-onwards, but let's say they use the same dimensions (2017 dimensions, that is) on both for the sake of "equality". Then comes the aero, the 2017-2021 generation of F1 had the biggest overall downforce ever (no, don't come up with the ground effect era from half a century ago, as much df the had, it isn't even close to today), even if I only consider the cars as wider and longer, thus having a larger area to generate downforce, and ignoring the more intricate ways they generated it. Spa is not only some big straights where the F2004 can have the edge being smaller in size, but there's more places where the W11 can have an advantage on this particular track...