The 2020 BMW M5 Competition is a Nearly Perfect Super Sedan - One Take 

couldn't of said it any better.

With enough road experience, karting and academic chassis design development i can ensure you that feedback is probably among the most neglected characteristics by the masses but it just changes the drive in every single aspect, even the speed you desire to drive. I've tested a few cars and some on test tracks and i can tell you that proper suspension and steering feedback makes you feel more confident on the road and also more relaxed. After driving a set of properly set up cars, whenever i drive the more mainstream "electric power steering" stuff typically employed at 90% of the car production nowadays i just feel plain uncomfortable, anxious at the road, especially when they have such such sharp, quick turning ratios. I don't think that putting a proper hydraulic power steering in a car like this is going to make it slower from 0-60 or ruin an entire mile per galon from it, making it huge and 2t certainly will but sportscars are not made for the drivers anymore, they are made to please the media and the people who pay close attention to what the media says a car is.

Everything today has that same numb feeling. I have a 2014 M6 with a stage 2 tune and it’s the fastest thing I’ve ever owned. It does have that numb feeling but 680/651 makes up for it.

Sorry to rain on you guys parade but I disagree, AMG's have so much emotion and drama, they're more than alive. As soon as you turn the car on and hear that AMG rumble you know youre in something special. They're fast and very fulfilling to drive and own. Yes many cars are so numb that its boring to drive them but if you ever driven an AMG you wouldn't say that. I'm proud owner of 3 AMG's and I love them all.

Talkditings dem that is true. I had an older 2003 SL 55 AMG and it sounded and felt great. Although, I have no idea what a 2019 feels like but I’ll take your word for it. Mercedes usually gets it right.

There's a good reason for it

It set the standard 20 years ago, and it's still the one to beat.

Because the E39 was the last great BMW sedan

@@pontiacGXPfan tell that to the e60 with the one and only legendary v10

@@AdiiS a massive engine doesn't necessarily make for a great sedan

VW does this with the DSG transmissions in order to keep the transmission intact at lower gears. A lot of the "turbo lag" complaints that journalists and critics talked about in first and second gear on the GTIs and Golf Rs is just power being limited because the cars produce a lot of torque with those small twin scroll turbos.

diz_ - it’s not just for the transmission. Mclaren does this too, for the most part, boost by gear exists because of traction issues. A mclaren 720s isn’t going to put down all 700 horses to the rear wheels at first gear, that would be stupid. Every gear is limited to a certain amount of hp and torque and it increases as you go up in gear just so you can actually put the power down properly.

@@LegendInThaMakin you are right that traction is an issue. The problem is the higher ratios in the lower gears multiplying the torque which causes the traction issues, not horsepower. McLaren also uses brake biased torque vectoring and for a car that produces an absurd amount of horsepower and torque with an open diff, boost by gear is absolutely necessary to get the power down.

LegendInThaMakin the car AWD, it’s not going to have much issue getting the power down in lower gears with less torque limiters

LegendInThaMakin That’s why their owner said the car just keep pulling at higher speed huh?

Exactly the buyers remorse I am feeling. Just got a low mileage 2020 same color. Exhaust sounds dead after 7 yrs in a stage 3+ RS4. Needs some work to open up the sound. The car is a monster though.

This comment aged well!

Time traveler?

Alex Gray exactly

How has reliability with your E60 been? Worth it?

you're gonna miss the tactility of the e60 (e61 owner who had an f10 for a couple months)

ThatRosco458 depends on the model, my 07 530i was great because it was NA. The V8s are hot garbage. I have an f10 535i and it's incredibly reliable, smooth, quiet, and refined. Has bolt ons and makes great power but a significantly bigger car. Drove a 540i but the F90 just seems sooooo isolated compared to my F10.

I bought it with 80k, at that point the smg pump had already been replaced. I put 30k on it and had to replace the input shaft seal which is common. I wrecked the car and when I got it back I am still having issues but that was due to the accident. Many owners I know have had minimal issues but there are also many that do have issues, mainly the 06 and 07 owners. Mine is an 08 and it seems as if the 2008-2010 models are extremely more reliable. So yes it’s been worth it!

Rumblestrip.NET nailed it! I was racking my brain trying to remember what it sounded like.

It sounds like you cannot afford one!

@@miketheman4341 What a stupid comment. How would you know if he can afford it or not

@@miketheman4341 he's not hating, he's stating facts

@@miketheman4341 Do you even know that it has fake noises pumped in through speakers?

Isaiah Cat E63S wins because it comes in estate form as well as saloon

I had an F10 M5, test drive the F90 M5, and chose to spend $500/mo more to lease an E63S because the new M5 was very boring.

@@brandonros5519 Boring lol. M5 is better agile car than Mercedes, also beats E63 AMG S everywhere on the track drag and speed

@@henzo7087 the m5 is a more precise and performance based vehicle agreed. However the e63s is more theatrical and therefore is more rewarding to drive. M5 has always been the more track focused super sedan.

Brandon Ros the f90 is faster though

It's fairly easy to get it coded out.

you can use bimmercode and code it out

However, it sounds not that bad from the outside

I was wondering what that noise was

It's kind of killing my raging... But yeah I'd like a little more natural engine and exhaust note.

Cars are getting bigger everywhere. It's just how it is bro.

cars went from small to huge to tiny to medium to big

An e21 3 series was 177 inches long in 1975. 18 inches front to back in 45 years to account for safety standards, styling trends and technology isn’t really much to ask. Especially when comparing a 3 series coupe to a 5 series sedan. It’s not the exterior dimensions... it’s the weight.

@@Estoril_Blau agree. length is correlated but the weight is the main issue. wheel base too. fat cars with long wheel bases don't dance.

Basically, yes. 5 series is now the size of older 7 series and the new 3 series is the size of older 5 series. So essentially, if you want the feel of an old M5, go look at a new M3 ... and if you want an M3, get an M2 Comp.

what fell you need if you push it to redline one time per year? all bmw M cars have great handling for street,one of the best of all cars

@@raivons You are not sure what BMW used to be all about are you? That used to be all BMW was about, now M cars are like AMGs - missiles in a straight line but that is it

@@ChaosphereIX no they handle great too. But they take the driver almost entirely out of the equation with little to no feedback or need to small inputs/adjustments anymore. There's not a whole lot of point in going fast if it doesn't feel fast or fun. Unless you're gunning for Le Mans

@@raivons no point in spending that money on something that is completely synthesized. BMW is now 95% image. Their only saving grace is the M2.

@@ChaosphereIX exactly!! The M cars used to be for the driving enthusiasts....comfort was secondary. Now there are more wives and soy boys driving these than enthusiasts. BMW is one of the biggest sellouts in the history of trade. Its so bad that I actually feel better about the X5M/X6M than I do the M cars because an SUV couldnt be what an M car should be...so there is no shame.

did you get the 2020? does it sound good? how farty are the overruns?

@@jasonbanas2899 The active-sound-design-shit started with the M5 F10...other cars like E63AMG or RS6 don't have stuff like this and sound much better, also inside...shame on BMW M (i own a E39 M5 supercharged and a E36 M3 track car, both car sound so much better that the M-Cars today)

At least it goes fast

Agreed, not even a good fake sound, like a bad video game sound.

I don't know if the sound changes over time, but mine doesn't sound nearly as bad as everyone complains about. If you don't like it, it's easy to turn it off in software, but then the car is far too quiet

At least you could get the F10 in manual

White Peony here in the US. Unfortunately, ALPINA does not sell their B5 wagon here.

TheJacobShapiro true, however, to an E34 3.8 and E60 M5 6MT owner, F10 6MT is of zero interest.

The f10 wasn’t awful, the tuning potential on that thing was nuts.. didn’t take much to put it in the 700hp range and walk supercars. That’s how I remember the f10 anyway. A 4 door sedan super cars were often scared of.

I wonder if you can change the exhaust sound in the infotainment system..?

The RS6's brakes wont catch on fire if you do a track lap.

CarWatchCoffee tracking this seems like a waste of time. This is a luxury autobahn stormer. For $120,000 you can get a way better track beast

@@manahatter Aren't carbon ceramic brakes an option? Wouldn't the car cost less without them too?

Eck this car is so fat carbons will be molton orange too.

@@manahatter You have no fucking clue about the new RS6! Greetings from Ingolstadt, Germany!

Xdddf

Probably too heavy for track if you drive it in earnest for a session longer than 3 laps. They call it M but it's not Motorsport, fast and comfortable yes.

Do you think a G80 M3 would be any better on the track then this M5?

Spot on the money. 34.56257852103079, -118.55738873493648

Maybe this is the M7 people asked for in the past.

It's also numb

@sanju2 That's too bad. The idea is good at least even if the quality isnt there yet.

Is he wearing an Autavia? I have one and it looks very similar but hard to tell for sure.

Good to hear, just ordered a couple for my daily!

Cant ignore the rs7

DevPack Agreed

Be interesting to hear how one of those Widebody Hellcat Chargers would compare to this on those roads!

The exterior sound isn't too bad, I think it's just the interior computer generated sound that ruins it.

@@DanielSadjadian exterior-sound also sounds fake/not good compared to E39 M5, E60 M5...

I have the competition and it sounds incredible both inside and out.

@@backyardsmoker1697 if you like that sound, thats okay for you. I hate computer-generated cabin-sound which is supported by the speakers......, also artificial farts like everyone is doing now. But maybe I'm too old for hat ;)

mTwMarco given the emissions standards manufacturers are having to follow, I think it’s a fair compromise. I used to have an E60 M5 with eisenmann race exhaust, and nothing compares. I’ve come to accept it and overall the new M5’s performance makes up for the cabin-infused exhaust noise. Have you driven the car by chance? I’m guessing you may change your mind if you get behind the wheel of a competition model with the m sport exhaust, which is standard.

Who's Bozi?

Sure is faster in every way tho ;)

the e63 has fake sound as well though (its just not as obivous and clear as in the m5)

Bring back the m5 wagon!

overall, maybe, soundwise though, nah

jacek p look up f90 M5s with downpipes and burble tune. It’ll never sound as good as the amg but it def puts up a fight.

@@kevinyao1560 yeah, i've watched countless videos on the s63 engine and i can't lie to myself, it's just a really bad sounding engine, it's not about cracks, pops, it's the timbre that makes it a really mediocre sounding 8-cyl

jacek p The stock humming noise does get old I agree. The first mod i did to my first edition f90 was a catback and a secondary downpipe and that really did it for me. It really gave it that growl I was looking for but I still prefer the engine note of my soccer mom g63 than my M5 😂.

Interesting question. The problem Matt had with this car was that it is not hardcore. This car seems like a 550 and an M5 needs to have more feel. I doubt it's worth the $$ over a 550.

I work for BMW, the M550i is great because it gives you almost everything the M5 does luxury/tech wise, performance will satisfy most people, exhaust note/crackles are almost better than the M5 , & it's 25gs cheaper

Its a world of a difference the m5 is much faster and straight up raw. It made the m550 feel like a 528 tbh

Does this classify as a GT?

What ever you do, don’t buy it new. These depreciate faster than pretty much any other car I’ve seen.

@@gt1r over here in the UK you can pick one up in the early 60's.brand new these were around the 120 mark smh

Well if you dont consider the m3 competition then yes

@@ImranHussain-cc3ot Woooooosh

Pretty sure It's just the refocusing...

You're a moron this is the first time they've actually made an effort. Thank God they were "tacky" this year or no one would've bought this car over an e63.

Jason who hurt you? It still doesn’t come even close to the Mercedes. This interior looks like a videogame. Red start button, red paddles, the gloss black everywhere. I guess you’ve never heard less is more... The older interiors were more mature. Take away the bmw badges and m logos I’d swear it was an sti or something

@@picklejay7822 Lmao a car interior can be more "mature" lol? I never said it came close to Mercedes I said they made an effort to try and get close to what Mercedes offers. The only thing really shitty about the interior is the wheel and a carbontastic wheel would fix that.