The truck has basically 15 Powerwalls worth of batteries. You expect that for $45k? It's a far better deal than the Cybertruck, which is $25k more, even more spartan and inside, and a bit over half the real world range.
Freezing? I feel like there are more than ever being sold. People spend how much for a basic 4runner or tacoma with basically the bare minimum? 75k isn't insane for an EV with this kind of range. It is strange tho that they included a 360 camera and adaptive cruise control, but not heated seats. Still, this truck has the longest range of any EV at the time of writing this. I see a niche market here.
It's hard to profit from them due to battery cost. It's not like this truck will be making huge margins. This whole thing part of the game to make Americans less independent. Unnecessarily raise the cost of everything, based on a false premise of "doing good", in order to force people out of gas cars and homes and into condos and apartments with limited range vehicles, all under the guise of environmentalism, when it's really to keep people easier to corral and contain.
@@getrippedincAlmost every EV depreciates like a rock so I wouldn’t be surprised seeing it for 40k in a year. An electric work truck is such a niche product that very few people would actually want.
@@TroySavaryyeah I'm sure the 35lbs of extra equipment would destroy the range. Personally I don't mind as I move the seat once when I buy a vehicle and never again
@bobman717 No, I don't mean that the seats destroy range, but that no other EV trucks offer a battery this size, especially for the price. So you could choose another truck to get power seats but you will take a huge range hit.
Just picked one up for 67,000. Going to save me $800 a month in fuel cost. Texas has an electric plan for free night time charging. Works perfect as a roofing sales and repair truck. Can put my drills and battery powered tools up front in the trunk and charge them when I drive.
This what happens when you don't put your full effort Into an ev and just try to make a buck on the hot ev market. They missed with the hummer and now have gotten worse
like doesnt the lightning literally start around 40k? if thats its competition why price it so much above? maybe they thought the range would carry it through dealerships
Most high capability trucks these days are in this price range. Ram 3500s, Ford F350s, Even Chevy trucks(non-EV) are in this price range these days. Basically, anything that is a Duelley is in this price range.
They missed the boat of the basic work truck with the single cab for the lone service guy who needs to haul a crew of himself and his tools and supplies. A smart accessible storage. As well as an 8' bed and mounting points for aftermarket camper shells and utility racks.
I'm sure the crew cab is necessary to house all the batteries this thing requires underneath. Single cab would probably have terrible range, and also it would be harder for them to ask this much money for it.
@@quintonulm2435 Single cab long bed would probably have good range. Short bed would have issues, sure but a long bed would be very empty at the bottom.
I'm glad someone else said it. I work for my local county public works department and I can see a few roles where this EV could replace a traditional ICE truck. However, that short bed crew cab configuration makes it almost a non starter. And I'd hate to be the guy that finds the first leak in that mid tailgate separating the cab from the bed on trash day.
It's funny that in this video he's talking about the feature to open the truck bed into the interior like it's kind of dumb or useless or something. In reality for someone who actually does anything besides drive to the donut shop. That feature is incredibly useful, totally necessary. And over the years in an Avalanche i owned every guy who's seen me do that with the Avalanche and then put a ton of stuff in it, was totally in love with that vehicle at that point.
As a Chevy sales guy these things are sitting, we got 2 of them about 3 months ago and we’ve had maybe 5 people even look at them, it’s way too much for the average consumer and if you’re spending that much money why would you get the fully loaded one? Also they RST is starting at 97k not 107k. I also find it crazy that the WORK TRUCK trim doesn’t have the coolest feature which is the pass through bed, I had a customer that was going to buy to and write it off for his company but because it didn’t have that pass through and the fact the drivers seat has no lumbar support, I understand that they’re expensive to build but it only works in the hummer/high trims
@@Invrexs I agree, some people are too eager to incur business expenses due to "tax write off!". Not to go off on a tangent but the easier thing to do is realize the entire system is fraudulent and that participation is voluntary. If they print billions for their bills, why do they need people to pay them? Check around the popular book website for the "how to" about freeing oneself from legal tyranny, through knowledge of the UCC. The real full title name can't be written in YT comments or else the spam filter will catch it. That's how you know a nonfiction book is good. It's short too and cheap.
Local gmc /buick dealer in my town has an orange new ev hummer sitting on the front of the dealer where the dealer “showcases” their better cars. It’s been sitting for a while now. People in my town don’t have that kind of money. 😂
Nah all the truck guys will buy it. They don’t mind paying ridiculous prices for trucks ($1300+ a month) to have the “cool new truck.” This is coming from a gen 1 raptor owner. They’re going to lose hella equity though
You can (almost) buy TWO base ICE F-150s for one of these as they cost about $38k. I don’t need a spacious rear seat, I need a longer bed in back to haul building materials. I don’t want my employees drag racing other drivers. I don’t need 4 wheel drive. I don’t need 450 mile range, driving to a job site 200 miles away (and back) uses up most of the work day. Complete and total miss.
GM is absolutely clueless if they actually believe people will even consider this thing as a work truck, especially at this price point. If you're an actual professional and need a barebones work truck but want it to be electric, literally just get a Transit van. None of the currently available electric pickup trucks make any sense as work vehicles because, as you said, you want them to have a long bed and no rear seats, but all the electric trucks you can get are shortbed crew cab models.
The price is mostly irrelevant to me due to cost savings on fuel and maintenance over how many miles my work trucks see. We drive around 100-200 miles per day going from site to site. Trucks could charge at home and the company would pay for it all and it'd save money long term. Hell, some of our trucks are already this expensive or more so. But as long as these things have 5'-6' boxes they're absolutely useless. I absolutely need an 8' bed in a work truck. With any cab and 8' bed I'd 100% be a buyer but a 5-6' box wouldn't fit half my supplies.
@@DrGand There is the folding midgate that might allow e.g. 4'x8' sheets (see 9:30). But it seems like you'd have to strap them down to not crush the front row in a crash.
It’s clearly for fleet buyers, who need the capability and range but not the style or comfort - to help them meet emissions rules. There’s plenty of others choices out there for lifestyle buyers.
The only thing I can think is that GM got a government order for a bunch of these. I know the National Parks are committed to only having EV in their fleet. I can imagine getting permission for buying this is easier than other, more tricked out, alternatives.
It's definitely a fleet truck. A company's CFO can justify the cost over 48 months as that's about the breakeven point for comparing to a gas truck and the cost to fuel. I agree, it's probably being pushed by high level meetings between GM and their major fleet customers.
i’ve worked on these for police fleet use and Port Authority fleet use and they’re becoming very popular. To the average person i don’t see these selling much
I am wondering if this is a similar to how Aston Martin rebadged a smart car in order to meet the regulations of having X average percentage of emissions across their lineup. Maybe GM never intended anyone to actual buy this ugly, overpriced POS.
@@pablomax9376 I've always kinda suspected the same - that the automakers don't expect these models to actually be successful, but the morons in the government are basically forcing them to try.
lol it's comical how quickly people get used to something. Pre 2021 it was very common for cars to lose 40-50% within the first 2-3 years. in fact most leases have residual values in that range.
@@ronald4life1 It was more like 25% after 2 years. Unless it was a Honda, Toyota, Subaru then it was around 10%-15% after 2 years. However, you weren’t financing @ >7% it was around 2.5%-3% EVs depreciate worse than smartphones.
@@mikedelape6609 I’m about to buy a 2024 Land Cruiser. It’s not quite $75k but it’ll still be worth a lot more than this truck in 5 years. Everything is at least 30% more expensive than it was 4 years ago. EVs are still undergoing growing pains, they’re almost disposable at this point. 5-7 years from now this EV Truck’s specs will be laughable compared to what you’ll be able to get at that price point. It’ll be like an iPhone 3G compared to an iPhone 15.
I have a few issues with your rant at 21:20. Truck buyers are more interested in capabilities than style. I sell pre-owned vehicles and when it comes to trucks I have had trouble moving the lighting because my customers all either need to tow or need to work, and those are not people I would recommend an EV to. This truck actually seems like decent rig, if only they could get the price down about 15k or more.
Especially because heated seats are one of the easiest ways to increase range on an EV. Instead of having to heat the whole giant cabin, you just heat the people directly.
@@Techfanatic73 My 2011 base model got 6.0 0-60 stock. At the time it was faster than a Raptor but it was as basic as it got, crank windows and 4x4 on the floor. Speed =/= high trim.
It is absurd to call this thing a work truck. I bought a brand new four-cylinder Nissan frontier and 2017 for $16,700. Here we are seven years later and as far as I know, you can’t get any new truck for less than $30,000, that is totally insane. I guess I’m going to drive my 2001 model Tacoma and 2017 frontier for the rest of my life and I’m only middle-aged. I am not willing to get ripped off in any transaction in life. Somebody is gonna come along and blow all these makers out of the water with an affordable truck.
What you say is true, but the days of a sub $20k work truck are gone, and they aren't coming back. And it's OUR fault, the customer. That said, I would argue that this IS a work truck but for a very specific buyer. Imagine your gig includes daily towing: car hauling, generator, wood chipper, water tanks, tool trailers, parts, whatever. A gas truck towing will be lucky to get 8mpg in the city. At $3.50 gallon, call it 43 cents per mile in fuel. This truck towing will get 1 mile per kwh. In Ohio, I pay 7 cents per kwh so call it 7 cents per mile. That's a HUGE difference. Now imagine you log 100 miles a day towing in your work truck. Imagine you do that 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year. I'll do the math for you; gas cost=$10750 per year, EV cost=$1750 per year. The EV requires NO MAINTENANCE! No oil changes, no belt to snap, no exhaust to rot, no $8000 transmission to fail, no tune up, no starter...literally nothing. Because of regen, even the brakes will last 5 times as long on the EV. In 5 years of daily city towing, the gas truck will be a clapped out money pit. The EV will still be maintenance free and good as new. Even if the battery degrades 50% (it wont) it'll still have twice what you actually need. Conclusion: run the numbers and the EV is a bargain.
I feel like your video must have been recorded a long time ago. Not only is the RST already being shipped to customers, but even the GMC Sierra EV is starting deliveries. That being said, the strategy of starting with the WT is that fleet buyers are basically guaranteed demand up front. The fact that several of those fleets were rental companies also adds the benefit of getting these trucks into customer hands very quickly.
@@Jlemus01 pretty much. People forget that these are going to be bought by GSA and sent to military bases all around the world. Apparently the pentagon has stated they were going to electrify their fleet vehicles as a means to reduce their carbon footprint.
99.9% of companies wants to spend as little money as possible and bring in as much income as possible. Spending 74k times 10,20,50 is just not a smart financial decision. Buying regular Silverado WT or Colorado WT’s would be so much smarter
That giant rectangle slapped on the dash with giant bezels on top of bezels winds up shrinking the size of the screen to like 7”, it looks horrible, cheap, and outdated. It looks like something out of a ten year old Polaris Slingshot. All for the low, low price, of seventy four thousand American dollarydoos.
I rented one of these for a few days. Loved the range, acceleration, and camera system on such a large vehicle. I would consider buying one for like half the price.
@@95mushroomNo, they absolutely should not be. Unless they automatically come on when starting the vehicle and shut off when the vehicle is off. Relying on automatic lights is why so many idiots drive around with no lights in hazardous conditions. It's best practice to just always have them on anyway. "Lights on for safety" and what not.
@@VoidOneGamer No, so many idiots drive around with no lights at night because they "think they're smarter then the car" and switch the car off from auto. GM's system works as Auto-On, every single time. Even if you switch the lights off, the next time the car turns on, its back to Auto-On. Its been this way with GM cars for 20 years, and it should be industry standard at this point.
@95mushroom Well, my 04 buick had it and it wasn't something that could be relied on. Even the modern GM trucks I drive, I don't prefer they decide when my headlights turn on. Because they don't unless it's dark. Running lights come on instead. As a part of my job, I sit in the side of the road and take phone calls or do paperwork, and I don't want my lights on when I'm doing that...strobes yes but don't want to give the impression I'm moving if I'm not.
This truck is so well equipped for the price. I love the vinyl floors. The fact that any vehicle has carpet inside baffles my mind. The plastic around the bottom of the body is fantastic for longevity with rust. 75k for a truck that will save 5k per year in fuel is fantastic.
I work at a Chevy dealership in the shop and we have one of these that's bricked with 7 miles on it 🤣 and the suspension collapsed in on PF. All for 97k. I don't have faith in these.
17:45 they designed this very well. there is no lack of storage. the seats fold up and allow you to slide some big piece of equipment in that space. if there was a larger storage tray underneath the rear seat you couldn't put a bandsaw or such in the rear. it's a work truck.
The market would offer that truck if enough people wanted it. I stopped wanting a straight cab truck when I was 19 and there was no room for stuff and a person in the cab of my truck at the same time.
As someone who only buys vinyl seats and floor trucks, I am glad they are offering this, but the price is crazy. I get the giant battery isn't cheap, but it really needs to be $55k for that interior (which i am all about). If the equivalent gas work truck is say $45k, you got $30k for gas and additional maintenance which is quite a bit.
Family member of mine got a brand new F-250 Duper Duty to use for his construction company. He paid disgustingly little out of pocket after write offs and incentives. He ownes it outright for less thsn I spend monthly on groceries. Thats what will likely happen with these WT Silverados. Without that scenario, the pricing is absolutely absurd. However, the amount of Hummers, Rivians, Lightnings and now even Cybertrucks i see in my area (Metro Detroit area) is ridiculous. They're everywhere! Despite price tags, people are affording them. Theres obviously something we dont know...
The work truck is meant for commercial/fleet buyers, not average joes. The basic Chevy ICE pickup we use at work was over $60 grand, but it costs more to operate and maintain.
My first thought too, but then I considered the application where you need bodies more than tools, like a painting company or lawn service. I agree it's a tough sell but not /completely/ silly. Hopefully they will eventually offer other configurations.
@fullsenderman8291 he doesn't need to have used one for work, many fleet buyers do not need crew cabs for their fleets. Regular cabs or extended cabs often do everything they need.
@@hellocar123 i mean in a literall sense it is, but to consider the fact that the msrp is 96k and this is before auto retailers get their grubby hands on them, it's anything but sensible, yet alone cheap. Annnnd I'm keeping my quotation marks 🤭
I have a 2023 Trail Boss Colorado with the same infotainment. You can modify the shortcuts on the left. You hold, drag and drop. Allows you to add the camera shortcut (and others) on the side. Always accessible.
I thought the wireless charging would be great paired with wireless CarPlay in my super duty. After using for a week I noticed that the wireless charging wouldn’t charge fast enough to keep the battery from dying while using CarPlay lol. I use a charge cable now.
Most people buy 3rd party phone holders of some sort. OEM’s should build some sort of pull out or flip out wireless charging phone holder that also has feet. And give you an adapter for tablets also.
And what’s with the bezels being ⅔ of the surface area of the displays. This is dumb, displays are cheap. If you’re gonna put in the real estate, fill it up with display.
I was in contracting for years, and our fleet had much more expensive trucks that couldn't tow as much. You can write these off, and if you add in the almost zero maintenance and low low fuel costs comparatively... This thing is a home run for a local contractor, even at $75,000.
My brother got one of these while his truck was at the dealership. It was awesome but only as a rental. Very quick and comfortable ride. Sound system was alright and it seems to be well built. But charging infrastructure is terrible and expensive plus the range isn’t great if you drive at Texas speeds. He said it would be an awesome truck for 35k. Not 90 after markups.
I think the work truck would sell better around the 40k price point. Some companies might not mind the higher price for tax reasons. The RST version should be around 70k. These manufacturers are pricing a lot of us out of the truck market.Im a loyal GM owner, but I don't see myself buying any truck over 2010 year.😢
GM aren't trying to sell these EV trucks, they're just trying to comply with government mandates. It's a waste of money and time and resources on their part and ours.
@@bahamatodd it is true. If you can make one its not hard to make the other. they have been doing that for decades. The alternative is get rid of V8s like Ram and say goodbye to Corvette while you are at it.
Two of them showed up at my local Chevy dealership about 4 weeks ago. Both of them also white paint like featured here. Both of them obscenely expensive. Both of them still sit on the lot each day, but the sales staff moves them around every couple days to maintain the façade of continually changing inventory...
@@bk_nreynolds3278 that is one thing I actually do like about the Silverado EV because the range is actually pretty good especially for electric pick up truck probably one of the best of any electric pick up.
That price is insane. I really don't see companies buying these as fleet vehicles. So much for the promise of EVs being cheaper than ICE vehicles. It was a fairy tale all along.
its because someone set the price high and people are paying it. People are buying the Ford Lightning EVs, Tesla cybertrucks, and Rivian R1Ts, and those are going for 100k or more. thats now the base price, and anyone who goes lower is throwing out free profit. this is a 35000 truck with a 13000 battery and a massive upcharge, which is exactly what we should have expected without any government intervention preventing price gouging.
People started idealizing EVs as a "luxury" because Tesla was the only real option for a while. Manufacturers ran with that market and counterintuitively made the "economical" EV archetype into a rolling entertainment center, rather than something sensible and simple like I recall EVs being conceptualized as.
There is an “OFF” button hidden on the top left of the center display. Took me forever to find. You need to shut it off if you don’t exit the vehicle right away after putting the vehicle in park. The truck will remain “ON” in ACC mode until you hit that hidden button (quirk).
I use the F-150 Lightning as a work truck, and the absolute worst thing about it, besides the range, is the automatic front trunk. It takes forever to open and close. I'd rather do it manually. Also, because I have a ladder rack, I always worry that the hood is going to hit the top of the rack or when I'm carrying something on the rack. Besides that, it's the best truck I've ever owned.
I don't believe manufacturers at all with their range numbers. It's ridiculous. One quick search will show you how bad these ranges get when it gets cold, and I mean really cold out. We need some laws passed so that just like city/highway mpg ranges, we get "optimal" and COLD ranges.
I tend to agree with you that they are overstated, but I have seen a couple of tests that where done at 70 mph and It actually pretty much got what it advertised.
Cars/Trucks keep getting more expensive and worker's wages are stagnant. Automakers are going to keep milking these high prices for as long as they can. Some brands have inflated their prices to almost double what the actual inflation rate is.
He has a specific scale of 0-60 times for that category. Believe it or not the Lightning goes 0-60 in 4 seconds flat and this actually takes over 5 seconds, but yes it does seem like a score of 4 seems too low.
I disagree wit many of Doug's points. i don't think the majority would want pretty looks in exchange for 4 wheel drive and range. As an EV owner, I'd take range over pretty interior any day. The range is super nice. The price is what hold me back. I would also take this over the Rivian (too small) or the Lightening (just as expensive and not enough range) anytime.
what do you mean no driver assist? it comes standard with lane keep assist, auto breaking, side blind zone, pedestrian breaking, and collision alert, you keep calling it stripped down but if it had carpet, heated and a power driver seat it would be an LT, it already has a power steering wheel I've had to do a proposal for fleet purchase and this is really understating the features on this truck, the pricing right now also gets 7500 off, very behind on the update not defending how expensive it is, but youve also got some of the stats wrong. the 74k version doesnt drive 450, but it tows 11k instead. the 450 version tows 10k and is 79k.
Just crazy the amount of things a 74k truck DOESN'T HAVE! I get it's the work /fleet version but it should be a 40k work truck. Probably why they're making the base model 1st to see how well it'll sell at that crazy price before they bring out the RST for over 100k. Its just wild were talking about a 74k work truck hahaha
Why would you buy this base work truck for $75k when you could get a low mileage and optioned out Silverado High Country or Sierra Denali for roughly the same price?
Well, if you're a fleet buyer, costs are paramount. The fact that yearly operational costs are next to nothing for many years on this guy is what some fleet buyers are already discovering.
Doug might be off about work truck buyers not wanting the fancy or comfy features, but he's right about it being priced too high. For $75k, I would expect heated seats at least. My $20k Spark even had heated seats. Nice to see higher range finally.
Doug, I think you touched on it yourself: It seems clear to me that the target customer for this truck is a fleet buyer. It makes sense for a business owner to buy one or several of these. They don't care much about luxury features for their employees to enjoy while driving the trucks, but they DO care about the immense fuel and maintenance cost savings relative to gas/diesel trucks. As for that huge range, it's for towing! This truck has so much energy capacity that it might actually be able to travel for 2-3 hours between charge stops while towing a large trailer at highway speeds.
I've been getting the vibe for awhile now that we are seeing products produced that not many want and the response is to admonish the customer base instead of focusing on producing a good product
@@dannydaw59 give me a new Tacoma for 30k. A Tundra for 45k. Naturally aspirated. Keep all the BS electronics. I don't want a message appearing on the dash telling me to go to the dealer for service because there's a problem with the "active grill shutters" which shouldn't even be a thing. If you want a good example, look up the guy with the 2018 F-150 who had to spend $6500 in repairs because he got moisture in his taillights which prevented his truck from starting. The cost of the new taillights alone was over $3k from Ford because they are loaded with unnecessary electronics and sensors. It's utter nonsense.
