The 3 versions of Wilt Chamberlain | Offensive Legends Ep. 1 

I’ve been waitin for this one fr gotta do prime Dwight Ben Dennis fasho

@@DeeKAAM Could include perimeter defenders like MJ, Payton, Smart.

​@@jdapaul1351Anthony Mason should lowkey be snuck in there too. Dude could reliably switch from guarding Shaq to Nick Van Exel. He's the main reason MJ hated playing against the Knicks in the 90's.

@@jdapaul1351blud snuck in smart

Why not y'all mentioning the Arguably Defensive Goats in the likes of Hakeem and Tim Duncan

That is not the most underrated part of wilts game

He wasnt allowed to play like Shaq, if you lowered your shoulder in a defender it's an offensive foul.

@@TheIcemanthomas What evidence would change your mind?

Seriously people have no idea wilt played absolutely nothing like shaq. They just hear the (mostly fake) stories about his athleticism and physical traits and assume he was just a bruising big

@@jooyichenthere really isn’t any evidence needed for that. I just think his defense and passing are the things that don’t get talked about as much. Most of his highlights showcase his fades and finger rolls

If he was able to play in the 90s he’d be the best big of all time. His defense is extremely underrated as well as his skill set. Put him in an era where he can best utilize his physical gifts it’s hard for me to see anyone dominating more than him

@@kingjaydex7464see this is the hyperbole that messes up wilt in conversations.

@@TheIcemanthomasow is it hyperbole? He’s 7’1 (allegedly 7’3 which seems more believable in pictures) with a 40-45 inch vert, Shaq like strength, the speed of a wing, and he had a refined post game with good passing chops. Defensively nobody would’ve scored on him and he’d likely be the best rebounder of all time if not top 3. He’s already giving you all time great impact defensively and his offense in the 90s would be Prime Shaq like. That 2 way impact would put him top 3 all time at worst

Fans in general has zero clue about past rules... Even when discussing the 1990s basketball.

@@kingjaydex7464 nothing u said means anything in terms of what he would be able to produce on a basketball court. This isn’t track and field. His physical measurables are great but they don’t mean u can predict how great he would be in another. Not to say he wouldn’t be great, but y’all have to stop with this notion that he’d be far and away the best based on things that have nothing to do with basketball and the way it is played across eras. Hypotheticals can’t be proven and have zero basis besides what u think and not what u actually know would happen.

Did he really bring attention to hal Greer?

Greer and Cunningham were offensive killers for the 76ers, lethal during their title contention years

@@BoosterGoldEarth6yes he did unless you watched this video with ear muffs on

​@Smoothyoki Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy Cunningham along with wilt they won the most regular season games 69-13 and broke the stranglehold Boston had on title runs

As a child I was fortunate enough to see how Greer and Wilt play. I'll never forget how Hal Greer would drive to the corner like it was a layup and shoot, which would now be a three,with a high percentage.

Personally I can't wait for the Jokic and Giannis Greatest Peaks.

​@@heavylobster4339Giannis ain't an all time great offensive player

@@next_up... no, but he does have an all time peak for sure

​@@AlexBrown-xp7mtthis isn't what that series is about

@@heavylobster4339Yes ! But i think these episodes will only come out in like 2-3 years MINIMUM because they are only 28, they are in the middle of their prime … And i think Kawhi could also have an episode because it’s only the best peak not best career and his peak was higher than Kobe for exemple. Embiid could also have an episode, monster regular season player, most points per minutes of all time, if he just get 1 chip or 2-3 deep playoffs run were he is as dominant as he is in the regular season he could have an episode .

He was almost drafted by Auerbach & the Celtics (who already had Russell). They were initially friendly with another, but Red found him to be "a headache" to coach, because a young Wilt didn't get why he'd pass when he was unstoppable with the ball? imagine Russell & Chamberlain in the front court together? Game over.

@@88949597they legitimately might have never lost a game, outside of an absolute heater from an opponent. But even then there was no three point shot, making this tougher.

I don't think he's going to double-dip on players he already did in Greatest Peaks. I strongly suspect it'll be players like Nash, Dirk, Wade and Penny (he's alluded to making videos about some of them) - not quite good enough to make the first series, but all-time offensive weapons

@@marco5030I hope he does go over players twice and does a offensive and defensive list

Hope he does harden

@@roccocoffman9608yeah, it would be stupid to not make videos on Magic, Steph, MJ etc. if it’s a series about offensive legends. A jokic video is probably in the works too

It will def be like dirk and nash and others who never got a greatest peaks

Not just that but correlating/debunking what people took from the box score and put it by the eye test based on what film existed. And ultimately tying in concepts that do make sense. Like having a non-versatile offense generated from one player definitely needed more playmaking to offset their non efficient output to create a true team winning gameplan.

There is no truth and theres much bias on this channel. You're just too much of a modern m0r0n to see that

@@t4d0W another m0r0n

It’s similar to Giannis or Shaq, in that they were so unstoppable at a few moves there was no reason to do anything else. Giannis however, unlike Shaq has a similar ability to Wilt to go up and over a guy and roll the ball in over the basket, although Giannis does it on the move.

He could still get beat. But he also was a fairly gentle guy most of the time. There are stories from multiple players who played with and against him who tell of someone going up to block some dunk of Wilt's and rather than throw it down as hard as he could, they'd describe how he let up and went soft because he knew he could break their arm, and the board, he if tried.

Some give and take here as well though. Defenders couldn’t really body him up and make contact like they could when guarding Shaq either. Part of why it was so hard to officiate Shaq because you could literally call a foul almost every trip up the floor, whether it was offensive or defensive.

So a less nice version of Wilt using his full strength with looser rules could dunk his way to 100 points every night?

@@airgordo4 no defenders were big enough to body Shaq.

he didn't need to play like that. Did u not see the offensive interference put backs where he got a large portion of his points?

WADE & DIRK WOULD BE BANGER VIDEOS💯😮‍💨

I believe he said that he thinks Penny Hardaway is one of the 20 greatest offensive players ever so there is a chance he gets featured in this series

Giannis deserves a greatest peaks

from the intro looks like Reggie and Manu are also getting a video

@@tridra5714 no he doesn’t

People be saying anything, His legs were extremely strong.

When was he ever supposedly 240? In high school? The basketball-reference page for his rookie year, '59-'60, lists him at 275. (I seem to remember 265 was his rookie weight, but I am not sure.) When I saw him in person vs. Portland in the early '70s (so there was no camera 'adding pounds' interfering with judging his physique ), he was not at all thin in his legs. He was very well proportioned (including an upper body that looked like a middle linebacker), and not like a thin stilt I was expecting. If he had smallish calves, he had those for his entire career, and still had ups enough playing over 300 vs young Lew Alcindor to block two sky hooks straight up (on one Bucks' possession).

Interesting thought, I mean he had to have strong legs to jump that high and he was a track and field star and also volley ball star later in life so I think he always had strong legs. Not sure he ever weighed 240 though I'd say at least 20 pounds heavier at his highest.

Wrong in many ways wilt never lost his agility wilt was very agility and very quick after retirement at the age of 37 wilt chamberlain might not be huge but his legs were far stronger than shaq legs wilt had higher vertical leap than shaq and could easily squat over over 670 pounds and deadlift 675

Wilt had so many quadruple and quintuple doubles. Be glad they weren't keeping all those stats because he'd pad the Stat sheet every night

He didn't like playing like that ​@@aarondigby5054

You are amazing , I have been watching ur clips since years ago, super cool to see ur involvement.

@@cesarquint256 Thank you, I really appreciate that comment.

Me too

Dirk First people don't give him any respect. There are people who deadass think K.A.T is better

He loves Steve nash, he will be here

He’s a non ball handler by modern standards

Not really. Especially with his inability to put the ball on the floor and blend playmaking with his shot making. And he's not gonna try put the ball on the floor in traffic either. Which is why his moves are pretty decisive but safe around 5 to 10 ft around the rim. The advantage is he's bigger than anyone so he's getting that offensive rebound and the putback.

​@jonjuko8859 you have no idea what are you talking carrying wasn't allowed in the 60s wilt would be a even better ball handled today

​@@t4d0Whe could play point guard so you just hating

Wilt also had the benefit of offensive interference so it’s a wash.

@@mkbzam That’s my mistake then I thought in the video they said he benefitted from it.

@@mkbzam I’ll do some research as well

@@mkbzam no hes doing it in the video.

@@chrisstfort7 Yeah but he didn't do that every single play..But if he was allowed to, he easily could've moved everyone under the basket and just dunked on them every single play until they triple teamed him. The only reason Bill Russell even stood a chance vs Wilt Chamberlain is because Wilt couldn't use his crazy strength and size to just move the much smaller Bill

I think Jokic Embiid is modern day Wilt/Russell. Jokic might be the quieter centre with less explosive athleticism, but he makes his teammates better like Bill. Embiid is the statistical marvel who has all the natural physical tools to be a Wilt stand in. So the question would be - would modern Wilt/Ewing (Embiid) be the better counter, or a more selfless centre like Jokic defeat Wilt by playing 5v1. I considered Gobert, but I think Wilt can playmake if he needs to, or power through up top. And no, the mini centres won't stop him, and they can't really run him out of the court, because Wilt is kind of an ideal small ball/run and gun 5, who would fit disgustingly on a modern Warriors/Harden Rockets team. I still prefer Jokic over Embiid here, but it's a pick your poison situation.

​@@blackjacktrialnah. Russell was different to jokic. It's jokic that's more like 67 wilt

@@blackjacktrial That must the worst double comparison ever. Bill was no where near Jokic offensive arsenal and Jokic has nothing of the deffensive prowess that Russell had. And please, Embiid can´t rebound pass or read the game as Wilt did (not to mention his lack of availability)... and Wilt never profited FT as Embiid does.

Prime Wilt was the fastest and strongest player on the court, and possessed the most endurance. Led the league in points, rebounds, blocks. Nobody close then. Nobody wd be close now.

@@bobomaigret5430 100% Agreed

Slick Rick

It don't get no better than "the Dipper"

Because it’s not a move that would work in other era’s

@@jonjuko8859 Sure it would. Gilmore used it and so did other players. Recency bias. You do know that Wilt is just as tall as Porzingis and more athletic than Giannis or Lebron. Right? That list heights are BS? The average barefoot height of a center last season was 6'8.86" tall. Wilt was a little over 7'1" tall barefoot. Lebron is NOT 6'9" tall. There are only a few players taller than Wilt in the league right now and none of them would have made a team in the 60's. Go watch video of Wilt next to Ewing and Shaq. He's taller than both of them. Hakeem would have been listed as 6'9" tall in the 60's, not 7 foot like in the 90's. Tweens.

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 it’s not a height thing, you can’t bring the ball through a defender at that height now. They’re just going to bump you with their chest or go vertical.

@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 When did Gilmore play?…..

@@jonjuko8859 I've seem Embiid use it. Not quite as elegantly, but he's used it. And he's shorter and way less athletic than Wilt. Artis retired in 1988.

Didn’t apply to Shaq. Shaq>Wilt

​@@HomoErectus311when was Shaq shooting fadeaways?

@@HomoErectus311 disagree. Shaq could play and dominate the way he did because his teams' gameplan was to slow down the pace and make it a game of attrition. You need a platoon of versatile defensive guys to help Shaq out on defense at the perimeter. As well as a dynamic scoring wing to kick out as a passing threat. By the 2nd half Shaq has tired out the opposing teams bigs and guys who had to body him up and were working with potentially high foul counts. That gave the wing players a green light to attack them at the basket.

His early teammates were good too. He just didnt let them be their best version by demanding more attention then his teammates

@@t4d0W The biggest difference was Shaq played when it was the peak for physical contact allowed, which was a massive advantage for Shaq. Wilt played when it was at its lowest level allowed, almost no contact.

It wasnt that they couldnt leave their man. Plenty of teams doubled Jordan. But the difference is they couldnt rush back to their man. Jordan faced a lot of similar defense and he didnt have the defensive 3 second. The only rule I would say that helped him was the goltending, as that hurt bigs a bit down low.

Wilt chamberlain was stiff and clunky when he started lifting alot of weight yet he was still far more athletic than lebron James

Shutup kid

How would a mere human guard Wilt?

so in other words. he needed to play like bill russell

@@RLSmith-jt8qj Basically yes, because the rules at the time did not allow Wilt to play like Shaq (ie using his body and strength to bulldoze over people inside the paint for an easy slam). So if you watch Wilt’s footage, he actually played with skills and finesse (eg turnaround jumpers, bank shots and finger rolls, etc) - very different from the style that Shaq played. So despite the unbelievable level of dominance Wilt has achieved in any case, he could have absolutely destroyed the league by winning chips every single year for his team, if he was actually allowed to use his body and strength and adopt a play style like Shaq’s. That being the case, he didn’t need to share the ball with his team, everyone else on his team could just watch him play as their job would simply be to bring the ball across the court and pass it to Wilt.

His playoffs numbers took a huge dip when compared to the regular season. That doesn't happen with MJ, LeBron, Luka...

If he a legend then you have very low standards.

Thank you! People think that players today would dominate because of athleticism, or that guys back then were average at best because they couldn't do all these dribble moves today, not taking into account that the rules limit what they know now as second nature. Kyrie Irving would get a travel called every play back then because you couldn't carry the ball, you couldn't put your hand underneath the ball. The step back would likely be called traveling in assuming. The offensive player couldn't initiate contact... The shooting and dribbling is much better today, but that's more so allowances in the rules than people think, vs strictly evolution. I think it'd be much harder to un-learn what you've trained for your entire career, vs. new things allowed that are introduced to you, and have time to learn for the first time. guys were almost as fast & just as athletic (more impressive to me for playing in flat converse) just certain moves hasn't been invented & a lot of things we take for granted today weren't around. so why would you expect Bob Cousey to dribble with his left, or the average player to be able to shoot from 35 feet, when it didn't make any sense to, and no one had done it yet? Yes the game evolved, but I really hate the dismissive attitude towards legends who paved the way for everyone now, just because they played 60 years ago and assume they wouldn't last a second today! If Joker could play in the 80s, then Wilt most certainly would do just fine today - especially with modern advancements & a style that pulls bigs away from the paint. If it weren't for Mikan in the beginning, Wilt, & Russell, & countless others that have been forgotten, there wouldn't even be an NBA for these guys to be making $200 million in in the first place!

Thank god the rules changed cause this is horrendous basketball. These mfs don’t even know how to shoot

I've been waiting years for a Steve Nash video. Hope we finally get it!

He's definitely getting one.

Dirk, Wade, Oscar Robertson all need ep

During that stretch, MJ was actively stalking triple doubles. He'd even go to the scorer's table to see how much more he needed, and sometimes argue with them if they hadn't given him a counting stat on a given position. It become a nationally covered sports story, and he was openly quoted about telling his teammates they needed to help him get one more rebound or assist, etc. It became a controversy, and eventually the league ordered him to stop going to the scorer's table. So he was not getting those triple doubles naturally, letting the stats come to him. Instead, he was manufacturing them, in an attempt to get the attention that Magic's natural triple doubles got. As it turned out, he got half his career triple doubles in that short stretch of time.

I disagree ​@@phillipschuman4307 , look at his effectiveness, PER, and win shares. This was not Westbrook, this stretch was something special

Nah he got burned in transition all the time by Russell

He would have to develop a shot though because I could see him getting done like 2019 Giannis and a wall being built around

@@jamalwalker That's more style of play for the team than style of play for the league. If you try to play him like Giannis in an iso spread scenario, yeah he's going to struggle. If you put him in a high post elbow with back cutters, like he's used to playing in his day, but with better spacing, he's going to do a lot better. He would do great on the Warriors or the Kings with their offense. Coaching and offensive style matters a lot.

I think Wilts Fade was more than enough to excel today... and he had, however inconsistent it was - a nice jump shot and I've seen footage of him hitting a several 18 footers. Accounts insist on his 100 pt game, he was consistently hitting jumpers from the top of the key.

LOL you would be amazed that despite the 3-point line being adopted since the '79-'80 season, it would take 3 decades moving forward with a different cycle of development from the amateur level to weaponize it and change the modern game. It really shows that much of the NBAs little known changes in rules would take much longer to have a lasting impact. But at the same time spacing concepts have always been developing even as the half court space wasn't fully utilized.

@@t4d0W Well the Princeton offense has been around for even longer. It wasn't really adapted to the NBA until Mike Brown tried it with the Lakers and got fired 6 games into the season. Then he goes to the Warriors as an assistant and the rest is history. Now he's running his version of it at Sacramento and the Kings are relevant again for the first time in 20 years. You're right, evolution in the NBA is slow. For whatever reason it's a league that resists change. Lately it seems more like trend chasing and people are copying the wrong things. Shooting a ton of 3's is only part of the Warriors success and only because they have the best and second best 3 point shooter of all time. I would say that their floor spacing, motion offense, and switchable defenders played just as much of a part of their success if not more. IMO if teams adopted more high post elbow sets with off ball action (pretty similar to what Wilt is doing) they would find more success than trying to jack up bad 3's. I'm all for better shooting and utilizing the 3 point shot. But some of these teams are giving guys the green light on some pretty bad shots.

had never seen the phrase “best peak” “greatest peak” until that series. I now see it not only in basketball discussion, but other sports as well.