The 4 Levels of Psychedelic Geometry (Ft.  

I love your presentation, and it is in my opinion the most accurate representation I have ever seen presented on the general subject of psychedelic visuals. I think there are a couple of points worth looking into further, and these are the geometric scale of 'sharp and defined' geometry to 'fluid and undefined' geometry, as well as the presence of noise or geometric oversaturation at higher doses where it is impossible to perceive forms of any kind. The first notion I find extremely significant because we do not know if these patterns are innate or learned patterns. Meaning, if a human being does not learn mathematics, does not live in civilization, and has never seen an object with a definite form like a sphere or triangle, then is it possible that the 'sharp and defined' aspects of psychedelic perception would be missing, and instead they would only perceive the 'fluid and undefined' geometry, or are such networks innate? What about such perceptions in other animals? Do other brains produce such phenomena? As for the second point, beyond the structural and fluid dynamics, we must account for the significance of randomness in the experience at high doses. It has been expressed that at very high doses of 5-MEO DMT the geometry dissolves into a mess, similar to white noise. Perhaps this implies a limit to our perceptual faculties as relates to our biology and chemistry, and perhaps complex geometry is the final frontier as regards human knowledge. On the other hand, perhaps it is an indication of a wall that we have yet to develop the capabilities to break through. Just a couple of thoughts! Thank you for the amazing content!

Tried Terrance McKennas guide to Cannabis I thought I was dieing I thought I hit my head and even was hallucinating, kundalini saved me

Totally useless , this is barely relevant. You don’t even know what’s generating this geometry 📐

@@asadchoudhryawhere’s your video at friendo? How about instead of criticizing you could contribute your thoughts and opinions to the discussion so we can all learn together? Psychedelics should be about communal understanding and growth as a whole. Could you perhaps elaborate more on the things you think were lacking from this video that you claim make it “useless”? I’m genuinely curious and not trying to be an arse lol

​@@asadchoudhryai think its the drugs affect on the brain that creates the geomitry mate😂

the secret was mostly just giving creative input while other people made the video

Collaboration is beautiful 🩵

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@@nuonflower Tis true

I haven't watched it yet, the other videos are already amazing I can only imagine the quality of this

I am so glad I watched this, I have always been extremely fascinated by hallucinations but especially psychedelic ones. You guys just shined a light on...and then spoke in depth about a topic I haven't been able to even describe to another person

​@@ohethean8475Thank you so much! Comments like this really mean a ton

Yes Emily! I left another comment about my amazement by the video, but your excitement particularly for how psychedelics research can help us discover how our brains work shines through and through. It also made me excited! I can see how videos like this may inspire teenagers to get into neuroscience and science in general! Looking forward to reading more from you and watching your content :)

​@@amerajanovic4841This just warms my heart, thank you so much! I care about these things immensely. Much love!

Congratulations on making such an excellent video!!

These are great healing compounds! When used in proper context.

I think it's actually the illusion of having a proper grasp on reality gets lifted, we are all convinced of what we know, what we see and what we hear but we do so with very limited knowledge, information and understanding. Having the conviction that we're locked into an objective reality that we're accurately interpreting is actually the best way to describe "not having a proper grasp on reality"

Y'all all talk about the benefits but you don't say where one can grab from...

dr.rinehartshrooms

He's on 1nsta

Absolutely what I felt woow soo accurate

They are so good. Almost like 5D remembering.

Do you also suffer from aphantasia my friend? My fellow redditor?

That beginning animation with the twisting tree looks exactly like what I saw one time when I closed my eyes. Trippy asf

​@@Moonshine449check out Loka

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Yep

Yeah very cool research

no offense but the work is derivative of work thats actually been done, most people just lack the education to understand, hence the video i imagine

@@anonemouse1470putting information in a form understandable to the layperson for the first time might as well be new discovery as far as societal advancement is concerned.

They had to restrain me from talking about it more, it wasn't right for this video XD But yes, it would be very cool to make a little documentary about it sometime

Me too

@@emilykinsplease! This is a fascinating topic

I'm also interested. A previous study showed hyperconnectivity in the brain during LSD usage, so it is a very natural idea that the visual cortex would link to areas that don't get visual input so that activity in other areas leads to activation of the occipital lobe. I'm particularly interested in the temporal domain. I wonder if the frequency with which the visuals move/flicker are slow or are sychronized with larger scale brain activity, such as the 40hz of gamma waves (conscious, awake activity) in the EEG. I do really struggle to think about how patterns get so complicated and how e.g. activity of a bunch of neurons in the frontal cortex would translate to crazy fractals. Maybe interconnectivity between areas that already represent elemental shapes (e.g., the cluster of neurons that lights up when seeing a triangle and therefore encode a triangle) with associative areas leads to more complex shapes simply because the elemental shape areas get 'overdriven'. A different idea would be that whatever leads to awareness in the visual cortex is extended to other areas of the brain. We know there's a lot of unconscious processing going on even in the cortex (parietal cortex, cingulate gyrus, entorhinal cortex etc.) and we still have no idea how some brain activity is translated into a conscious experience and some activity isn't. Maybe some quality of neuronal processing is altered so that the direct link between the occipital lobe and conscious awareness is established in other areas. This would suggest that consciousness does not require a central coordinator (I guess the precuneus is considered a candidate). My guess would be that psychedelics have an interaction with microtubules through their aromatic molecular structure and that the whole serotonergic thing is more just a coincidence, since most ligands of the HT2a receptor have an aromatic structure. That would suggest its not the effect of serotonin that causes the psychedelic experience and that it is something more elementary within the neurons. Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff came up with such an idea - that microtubules create a stable microenvironment that allows for quantum states to be coherent in a wet and warm biological environment and that microtubules have rapid access throughout the brain to integrate information (near)instantly without suffering the delay of neurons. Neurons have the issue of being a temporal mess, i.e., activity in one area only leads to a consequence in another area many milliseconds later yet our conscious experience integrates all that activity into a single moment of experience. Could be that there just is considerable latency between sensory domains to become conscious, but we can't measure it if we don't get consciousness in the first place. I took a minor in quantum physics a bunch of years back to be able to wrap my head around quantum ideas of consciousness, but I really didn't manage, so all these ideas will remain unfounded biological ramblings. Hope we can do some nice fMRI studies though and diffusion tractography in chronic psychedelic users to figure the first steps of how psychedelics may work out. Sorry for the difficult lingo. If anyone is interested in these ramblings and isn't a neuroscientist, chatGPT can probably translate :) (I don't work in psychedelic neuroscience FYI so I don't actually know shit about this topic)

that's something I've also pondered over - with a more basic question - why geometry at all? Why would things be symmetrical and colouful? It's very interesting!

That's Emily speaking on this video. But what you said applies to Josie too, the one who voices/presents most of the previous videos.

thanks man, it took a full month of in person irl effort from me/emily/loka/hypna 🤣

Like Rome, in the end, we're living in an art world, too smart for our own good.❤

Tremendous work

thanks bro

Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried microdosing to see if it allows you to visualize objects, without geometric visuals?

Microdosing doesn't have any effect on visuals.

@@Rolling_lens_photography interesting

I have full aphantasia too, I see visuals and patterns with eyes open but don’t get any closed eye visuals

A full on religious experience... I've been there too mate. The Divine is real... it's insane.

Psychedelic mushrooms completely helped me get out of addiction and depression. It totally rewired my mind. Honestly, they worked better than antidepressants.

The "only" things that you got were the telephone call that you may have heard spoken of before ! (when you get the call...hang up!) I mean this nicely, spend time processing and learning from your recent experience before trying to get anymore insights , you have much from that alone ! 😊

I often get this kind of mindset when “I’m trying to hard”, to hard what you ask? It depends, most of the time it’s either trying to hard to understand, explain or to hard to come back to a sober state. I can imagine how this was not easy for you but I can give you a tip for the future: This mindset of trying to hard, being to much in one thought, leaving to a deconstruction and fractalization and also resulting into something “hard to leave”, is one thing that can be easily dealt with: somebody has to tell you one simple different beautiful thought like grabbing your hand gently and saying: “Look at this beautiful tree, isn’t life so beautiful?” And then you’re almost immediately out of it. Some people manage to do this on their own, I sometimes can, but not always, it helps to then change the setting. If the set is struggling, change the setting: listen to different music, take a walk, eat something, talk to someone, put the headphones away etc etc. This helped me a lot

@@mayatrash ty, i will definetly try this. Im planning on a maditation centered trip next time, and will make sure to seek some "good triggers'' for good thoughts. i really apreciate the advise. cheers

@@iainhill492 i didnt fully understand what you mean, could you please elaborate more. all the help is appreciated ty

As someone who grows if it's someone's first time they always say I do a 8th right and I'm like no way bro. Do a little. In a few days do a little more you will know.when your ready to move onto the next level I would never recommend 3g for a first timer unless they did other psychedelics before and not dmt cause dmt is easy and not scary like other ones.

What are the risks please?

​@@DavidAKZwhen I was 16 I took too much acid and the dark spots in a white bathroom became portals through which giant slugs with razor teeth were crawling out. I ran around the neighborhood until I got tased and beat up by the cops and rushed to the ER still trying to rip the slugs out of my body

​@doseferatu thanks for replying. They talk about 'set and setting'. Do you think the experience would have been different with a different place or do you think it is related to state of mind? Thanks again.

@@DavidAKZ Some people are predisposed to certain conditions like schizophrenia, and even without having a straight up condition, there's always the risk of someone jumping too far into the deep end without any guidance or research and traumatizing themselves for life. Some of them have a very low dose range too, so you gotta measure out the dose extremely accurately. And also because sourcing them is currently illegal in most of the world, so there's also the nasty risk of dangerous fakes, adulterants, and random research chemicals. The risks can be dramatically lowered by using test kits, doing research, and taking set + setting into account.

You seem like a cool person :) mush love

Agree with you about the mushrooms / acid . Although I do find the acid experience a little bit more 'angular' than shrooms , regardless of relative intensity . Psilocin , the assimilated form of psilocybin , by the way, is actually a form of DMT

Thanks! I was really excited to find that research when I was writing the video. I feel like some of that stuff has just gone unnoticed by a lot of the psychedelic community, flying under the radar in bio mathematics journals

Gonna build up some really cool stuff from the things I’ve been working on through the channel, can’t wait till I can show y’all ❤

Down to get some good psychedelics? (lsd,dmt , shrooms,salvia,mdma……..)

psychstore_001

Oh god, you got creative. The farthest that I've come as a kid was squinting at light with tears inside my eyes, watching the little floaters and light artifacts change :D But also, with the eye pressing thing, I've noticed the visuals tend to be much stronger when I'm sick or low on iron (that dizziness when standing up after a long time). I wonder what that's all about?

That's one of the ones I looked at while writing the hypothesis and commentary! I should add more of the articles I looked at to the description...

The math-inclined should also read and/or watch "The Hyperbolic Geometry of DMT Experiences" by Andrés Gómez-Emilsson

Yeah and communities used to be able to upload their own localized translated closed captioning until RU-vid decided to replace it with the god awful auto gen CC

Equanimity of mind!

Down to get some good psychedelics? (lsd,dmt , shrooms,salvia,mdma……..)

psychstore_001

That's so interesting! That you get it without as much of a fractal style might support the idea that it is a combination of non-visual stimulation of the visual cortex to create the geometric style and synesthesia to create the complexity and profundity of the experience, since if you remove the first part you still have a lot of the behavior but without the geometric style. Thank you so much for sharing!

I also see these things as you described "swarms of translucent bugs"and if i focus looking into nothing, i can see them more with my side eye. they just appear more and more, and then all of a sudden disappear. . i noticed there are different types of them.