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Baumi: I don't want to talk on this topic the entire video. Baumi in the entire video: you know, Commander damage 😊. It's so fascinating how you're getting carried away

"please don't run if you don't have a way of winning the fight" 💀

In my table, Each player keeps track of how much commander damage they have dealt to other players. And uh... It happens Very often. Specially when you have unblockable commanders. Billion life gain and Teferi protections with Damage can't be prevented on board. Also. Commander damage is dealt per commander. So if a player has two commanders, Then each commander has to be kept track of And if you Copy a commander, They are also commanders that deal separate commander damage. But you know what really should be changed? Fucking Poison

You're right Baumi. Egg came first, from something that almost consider to be a chicken.

The question, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?", can be answered in Aristotelian terms. The egg is the efficient cause, ie the "how" the thing came to be. The chicken is the final cause, ie the "why" the thing came to be. In this way, the question can be rephrased as such: "Which came first: the way by which a thing came to be or the final reason for the thing to exist in the first place?". In a chronological understanding of the chicken, surely the egg comes first. However, it is generally the case for most thing that what is last in intention is first in action. This is to say that I left my house before I got to the store. However, I wanted to go to the store and that caused me to leave the how. The efficient cause of my trip to the store (the leaving of the house) only happened because the final cause (the arrival at the store) occurred first in the form of a desire to go to the store. On a metaphysical scale, given a sort of creator, the chicken is first in intention since the egg is only made to become a chicken and is therefore first. However, the egg is first chronologically in a system of ordered evolution to make the chicken. Also, this is my first comment on RU-vid, and of course, it is on philosophy.

really jerma'd it with the "no chat i won't talk about commander the entire video"

That depends on the specifics: "THE EGG" came first, as it does not specify which kind of egg, but that's a boring answer for boring people "The chicken egg" answer now depends on the definition of "chicken egg". Is a chicken egg an "egg laid by a chicken" or an "egg that has a chicken inside"? That definition answers the question of which came first.

Between the chicken and the egg obviously the chicken came first. It said "I think therefore I am" thus proving it's existence into being. Whereas, the egg is a big dummy so it could not think and therefore could not prove it's existence. "The egg in extension is an extension of the chicken's existence as it needs the chicken to think for it's existence into being",so I thought. Maybe I am?

its possible for a chicken to come before an egg if chickens evolved from a live-birthing animal, and then evolved egg laying, but that was certainly not the case in real life

You asked chat if they wanted the entire video to be about 1 niche game design mechanic. Thats like 50% of the reason im subbed lol

Huh, when I first heard it explained I thought it was all commander damage on a player, so it'd be a single separate health bar, not 3. Tho that would encourage ganging up on someone, which is also an issue.

Its actually 20 hp bars in total because each player can die through 10 posin counters

I think I may have been playing commander wrong? We always had it as basically 2 lifepools: Regular, and commander. If a commander hits you, you lose life in both pools, no matter whose commander it was.

Baumi saying that the talking about commander damaged ruined the video makes me wonder what other amazing conversations he’s had that I haven’t heard… I thought it was super interesting to listen to!

Never had issues keeping coubt of cmdr dmg personally. Its needed to coubter the insane life gain decks unless you absolutely want to play 85+ of your cards. Good life gain decks will start looping by 3/4 mana and can easily GG people from there

@baumi out of the wild: what if the parents of the first chicken were not egg laying animals. The not egg born Chicken would then have the mutation to lay the first egg with a chicken inside - so technical i dont see why the Chicken can not be first

Completely agree with egg coming first. I have had the same argument for years.

Surely the inverse win condition is more interesting... Deal x amount of commander damage (doesn't matter who you damage) in order to win. You only need to track one set of damage, and it doesn't incentivise beating down on a specific player?

Complete Magic noob here, but interested why from a game design point commander damage encourages beating down losers? Surely for a mechanic that is only very rarely used (and I assume then only in the late game) you should always try and target the player you think you’re most likely to end up 1v1 against to maximise your chance of winning, which would lead it to becoming a mechanic that beats down winners

"In the matter of ethics, someone who takes all my creeps, bad." - Baumi 2024

Commander Damage sure, but how do we feel about Infect/Poison counters?

Boomi in Amsterdam!? When. I might want to just come and see you after all these years of watching 😂

There is scientific research about who came first, and it is chicken, because egg must have some properties that can only be transferred from chicken, therefore chicken first.

The egg comes first because the creature whch very laid the egg tht created the first chicken was, itself, not technically a chicken. Though it likely greatly resembled one, there would've been some crucial biological difference that precluded it being classified as any kind of chicken.

Baumi explanation on how annoyingly complicated the commander format rule is my exact problem with strategy and grand strategy games nowadays. I love the classics, but recent one has so many things to do and its a chore to finish them. This is why people still playing the old ones.

I actually have a deck (accidentally) based around commander damage with Shabraz and Bralin

commander damage laterally only exists so infinite health players have a losing condition, everyone else never sees its use.

if you want to take thr Chicken or egg question literal the true question should be. What came first The Chicken or the Chickenegg? Now the answer depends on your definition of a chickenegg. Is a chickenegg an Egg that was layn by a chicken and therefor come after the chicken or is a chickenegg an Egg that hatches into a chicken and therefor the Chivken came first. In actuality the line when the first animal became a "true" chicken is really blurry so it really depends on definitions to define what came first.

Tht tide don't have a ball 😂

My go-to with commander damage is that the player dealing the damage is the one responsible for keeping track of it

other way to have commander damage work would be to have the rule be 3 unanswered attacks. Make commanders play tennis while the regular units play checkers.

Have you considered to try running the dnd game as a master? I think you would be really good

If you have friends you can trust, then you could prob do a thing where you all make silly but fun magic decks and then randomly hand out the decks in a way that no-one gets their own

Almost at the end of video and you still talking about that game... 🥵

Commander damage is necessary or decks that gain massive amounts of life just don't lose unless you're willing to wait for them to deck themselves.

The 4k damage hero that couldnt win lol

The egg obviously came first. It's only a mystery for creationists. I love weird topic rant videos. Game design is super interesting to me and I like to hear your thoughts on it. I think you have a good grasp of game design.

Came for the video game, left with a degree in philosophy.

Math volleyball sounds way more fun

The question is wrong in its nature. Its like asking what came first red light or green light. This is just words looking like they make sense together, when they actually do not.

Egg or Chicken came out first? For me it's the chicken because if the egg came out first they won't survive in the wild life But the egg is also first not the egg of the chicken, egg of the trex the chicken's bloodline

You seem to have quite an interesting PoV on casual. Casual play does NOT mean, that you dont try to win. It just means that you arent reducing your options to the most optimal patterns, that you dont try to win at any cost. If you arent playing to win, by your very own words regarding the option to strike back if someone would kill you, you shouldnt be allowed to play because you arent going to win in any case but are just playing kingmaker. Its terrible to play with someone that doesnt play to win cause it can lead to very frustrating games. I had games were a players only goal was to prevent anyone from losing, I had games were someone would just stax , wipe the boards, destroy all lands again and again but without striving for a win. Thats fun for maybe one meme round, but it pretty much instantly gets annoying. Very much the same as someone taking their roided cedh deck and winning before other players were even allowed to play their first card with a turn 1 witherbloom apprentice into chain of smog. But there, the game is atleast over quick, you arent left to rot because the player will mess up everyone elses gameplan without bringing the game to a conclusion. Its entirely different to go for some convoluted or janky wincon, but unless its just to explain the rules or something your deck should have a somewhat consistent strategy to win in mind. Casual also means that you dont try your hardest to win, maybe you dont go for infect, voltron, stax or mld decks cause you think they arent fun to play against on a not so serious table. Anyways, to the points. There are so many ways to reliably and easily track commander damage im seriously surprised to hear it listed as an issue. A) many are by now utilizing apps that are made for commander like you see in the shows, which usually have a feature that allows for the tracking of commander damage (also different commanders dont track the same com damage, so if partners get involved or your own commander stolen you can have quite the party. B) just use paper, everyone either notes down how much they took, or how much they dealt. easy C) use d20, anything more than a d20 is death, so just get some color coded d20 for your playgroup (or everyone their own with a color for the player, w.e.) and just use them. Chances are you or the organizer got a bunch of them around anyways. Wincon for gates? Mazes end, Wincon for Vamps? besides go wide or some lifedraining aristocrats combo, go big is also part of the vamp arsenal, so yes, also commander damage, not to mention that eminence is among the most broken mechanics and edgar has one of the best. Why are lifegain decks "bad"? Because it doesnt protect you against winconditions that dont care about your hp total. The fact that everyone has access to commander damage is a giant part of that . Commander damage, infect, mill, infinites and whatever other combo kill you can get together, only a very limited amount of them are affected by your total hp, and the lifegain decks that win dont win just because of their life, but because they have other cards that allow them to win with it, and the most common aetherflux doesnt require much lifegain focus at all in your deck in the first place. Remove com damage and considering that the others arent all that casual friendly thats just a weird slope to go down. The point of those rules is to allow for variety in play, and changing any of the wincons will just change up the meta , usually not improving the game in the least which should be very obvious. You can interact with it tho, boost the creature, steal the creature goad it to force it at somebody else, remove creatures pre blockers to allow it to go through, grant it combat tricks, prevent it from dealing damage to safe someone from taking it etc.. Double the damage from commanders? Fixes nothing, just breaks in other places. infect, double strike, lifelink, effects scaling with damage dealt. Worst part is, it literally changes nothing about the other issues you raised cause literally the only case the person wont die with doubled damage if he had died with com damage instead is if its lifegain. Making it only combat damage is exactly so you can interact with it, how stupid would it be to count effect damage with the amount of cards that can easily just randomly create 10+ effect damage to a player from nothing. Other game mechanics push it out of relevancy, so should we remove wincons besides decking out cause dying to combat damage prevents your loss to drawing through all your cards? no. thats just a nonsensical argument. And sorry, but 40 hp is to high? Its so easy to burn through them, reduce the hp pool and you just change what combos are strong, nothing else. would just make it faster , shift the meta to more aggro and you see even less of the cards. Like the only take i can agree with is that it can be quite unfun to eat those 21 turn 4 because you didnt get your defenses up in time, and then watch the game continue on for a while because the player used his ressources or the others got their forts up and he now cant get through, but atleast im just happy for that player cause he got to do his thing and get myself something to drink cause i dont take it all that seriously to lose in a game. And considering the average voltron deck is about as stealthy as a kaiju, either you would have quite a bad game anyways, you didnt mulligan accordingly or your table doesnt have rule 0 conversations about what decks you play into each others which prevents playing into entire counters.

I love the random discussion that baumi has even if I don't know anything about it. It's nice to even just learn about something or see somebody's view that you didn't think about before, plus it's great side monitor content.

was an interesting talk tbh

Dota 2 but baumi didn't stfu about commander blahblah

why is everyone sliding in game

baumi, you should check your attack speed before buying moonshard, you already reached max attack speed cap

if egg comes first how tf a chick survived in a new world without a parrent

Baumi = sleeping pill

watched the whole video only because I caught the last of your stream complaining about commander damage making the video worst... I really enjoyed the discussion, but I wonder what if you simply track commander damage combined? the same way each person has a single hp pool regardless of who attacks they have a single commander damage pool regardless of who attacks?

That is why i went with yu-gi-oh, just 1v1 and either stun-lock or cry becouse you get stun-locked and lose…negate, negate, negate

Baumi its 30min you talk about that topic

I’m here to watch some custom dota but all video I just listening about some commando…….

If you’re passionate about something feel free to talk about it,…😊

Well, if you question about any egg, obviously eggs from fishes or hard shell eggs from reptiles came first. However, if you consider a chicken egg, the chicken egg couldn't have come first. There was a bird that looked like a chicken that laid an egg, let's call it a "chocken", and the first chicken came from that egg, but that egg was not a chicken egg, it was a chocken egg. The first chicken egg came when the first chicken laid an egg. I'm a duck, so you can trust me on birds and egg issues.

Baumi love your video, but this time it irritates me because you are way too focus on talking about the other games rather on your own.. and end up you know..

bro almost went to bed without watching the video ..... :D im dont wanna be a bitch but im old now xaxax need to go to bed sooner than before :D but if i do without a Baumi video ill be a bigger bitch tommorow ! xaxaxa good video :P thank you

WDYM the egg came first? Eggs can't have sex, so the chicken is the only one who can come in this question :D

EGG come first, you can genetic enginering egg, but not a living chicken. about TCG game, or any other competitive game with multiple target player and not 1 vs 1 game... aiming 1 specific person is called "bad manner" is offensive word in competition world. but it is part of strategy and it is legal. might be mental war.. might be the person is very strong, i think it is dumb to let strong opponent got a chance to play his game in the competition, unless it is just friendly match. as a dota player you should know letting a carry/strong mid late game having free time walk in the park is a mistake, even keep aiming weak target nonstop as a late game hero got good benefit easy money. what i considered BAD MANNER in competitive game is flaming, disrespect move like toying around with your enemies when you can kill them, throwing a game. CMIIW , just my opinion

I know you’ve played Dota for YEARS and it might be getting to the end of the road for Dota content for you but I will listen to your MTG talks, but not for a full 30 mins, unbearable when I came for Dota content but have to listen to MTG commander or whatever the hell

boomi

Dota 2 but MTG

I love you baumi :'3

This is unwatchable with so much talk about a card game i dont care about. More enjoyable when you talk about The game ur playing

I get that the MTG is interesting and all but man talking about 1 topic for 30+mins...i stoped listening after 5 min😪

Thumb down for losing

WAAAYYY too much MTG ranting :(

dog

If I liked MTG that much I'd watch MTG videos not Dota.