The 737 MAX 10 is Too Long?

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@thornysnotsoepic Год назад

Boeing needs to stop modifying the 737 and give us a 757X

@ViktorGGeorgiev Год назад

or 797

@Homepage. Год назад

@@ViktorGGeorgiev no, 757X, nobody needs the 797 beacause the range of the 737 is enough when paired with the 787/777. But the 757X could give the range of a 787, whilst also having the capacity of the 737M10, which would allow airlines to serve routes that aren’t very popular/ don’t have high profitability when used with a 787/777

@theplanesdude Год назад

Yess

@johniii8147 Год назад

The 757 has long been dead you just have to accept that .

@ViktorGGeorgiev Год назад

@@Homepage. You are underestimating what the 797 could be, Either another narrow body aircraft such as the 737 or 757 or a long hauler, the 757 is also slowly being phased out from airlines phus the conspirency of a 797

@SpaceAsForPlanes718 Месяц назад

We're going to have twice the amount of incidents with this thing

@tjfSIM Год назад

Yes. Boeing have patched and bodged the living hell out of that airframe design. They really don't want to let go of it do they? The 757 would have been a much better platform for the MAX.

@omniton4106 Год назад

Correct on every point

@Nashy76 Год назад

its the budget airlines fault. they demand and only buy the same type so no pilot re-training is req. plus all pilots can fly all their planes. boing is flogging this old horse to please its stingy customer base. this led to two crashes already.

@triggeredcat120 9 месяцев назад

Boeing is becoming the GM of the aviation world.

@bettycrocker3425 9 месяцев назад

Its making $$$ , is one of the fastest planes boeing can build and does the job.. if it ant broke

@theoschofield1495 5 месяцев назад

im sure they do want to let go its just not that simple, also this mod isnt exactly complex

@kalszlsrdubai Год назад

B -757 would have been a perfect fit in these times . A new engine with a new wing design.

@peanuts2105 Год назад

The wings on a 757 are very efficient design to point where they create a lot of wake turbulence thanks to the large differential pressures

@cargil48 11 месяцев назад

@@peanuts2105 The problem is the cabin width (to envisage the 757 as an alternative). AFIK, the 707, 727, 737 and 757 all have the same fuselage width which is slightly narrower than the A320 family. That's why the longer the Boeing stretches their fuselages of the 737/757, the less comfortable it gets for the pax giving them the feeling of sardines in a can.

@gteixeira 11 месяцев назад

In practice the market is asking for smaller long range airliners like the A220 or the E2. For really long range there is the A321XLR, which could be competed with by a 737-9 MAX with a similar range. The -10 seems to be a kludge at this point.

@trainbdr101 9 месяцев назад

nah they stopped the production 2 decades ago; restarting the program would be a pain

@jonatkinson1971 Год назад

Embraer did the right thing and designed a new wing & landing gear for the E2 so the PW1000's would sit where they're supposed to be. The 737 belongs in a museum.

@peacesilver7524 Год назад

“The 737 belongs in a museum.” EPIC!!! 😂😂😂

@Adi2527A5 Год назад

Exactly what Boeing used to do. -200 ➡️ classics ➡️ NG, all of them had new wings and MLG. But not the Max.

@richardmiller257 Год назад

@@Adi2527A5 NG had same landing gear, they didn't raise the plane, that's why the NG has the distinct flattened engine cowl because of the minimum ground clearance

@Adi2527A5 Год назад

@@richardmiller257 then explain why the NG has 3cm more fuselage-to-ground clearance at MTOW compared to its predecessor. Both nose dan MLG of the NG is longer (slightly).

@Kayshots Год назад

@@Adi2527A5larger tires

@luisherrera1977 Год назад

It's nice, they'll do anything to keep the tired bird aloft. There's the 757 as prior mentioned that seemingly fits today's needs as well

@I_like_planes1 10 месяцев назад

"Which is an extremly costly repair" Oh Yes that's exactly what I was worried about

@redtailarts101 4 месяца назад

Tail strikes are extremely unlikely to hurt anyone, so it should be all there is to worry about. All that'll happen is you'll feel a bump, especially if you're close to the back, and you'll have to catch another plane. Being so close to the airport, the pilots will simply circle around and land again. This isn't going to kill or seriously injure anyone

@I_like_planes1 4 месяца назад

Jal 123: Am I a joke to you?

@cavok1984 Год назад

I personally think the MAX series will be the last iteration of the 737 design. The age of the basic design is still from the 60's and I think they have modified the aircraft enough now that any more redesigns from now will not reap any further reward

@trenton.tchannel1810 Год назад

Yes it will be as Boeing and NASA are working on an experimental aircraft with a transonic truss braced wing design for future narrow bodies. GE is developing its RISE engines so I’m guessing they’ll likely team up again for that aircraft as well. GE and Boeing make a great partnership. Rolls Royce is a good option to though

@czhaok Год назад

Boeing already bragged that they have zero intention of doing anything new or inventing anything. They pretty much said they'll wait for airbus to set a trend, then follow. Because their shareholders are sick of their flops and expensive endeavours that go nowhere.

@damonjones7743 Год назад

⁠@@czhaokthat doesn’t quite make sense to me. The last plane Boeing designed from the ground up was the 787, which has significantly outsold the competition, while their cheap, low-effort redesigns (namely the 737 max and 777X) have sold very poorly compared to the competition with the A320neo family nearly doubling 737 max sales, and the 777X barely selling at all. I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t make sense to me that they’d go that route because their more conservative designs seem to have been more of their downfall

@bettycrocker3425 9 месяцев назад

⁠@@czhaokby 2035 they’re rolling out 2 new models. 1 slightly smaller than max and 1 slightly wider than max . The -7 & -10 are the band aid fixes. Making a new plane is HUGE$. Its not easy takes years to get dialed in and is allot of work..Max is cheap to make, easy to fly, can pump 50-60+ out a month at 115+ mill ea. And besides fuselage, boeings made em so long that they’re not loosing money figuring out how to build them. …why not.? The max isnt a luxury plane its a Corolla in the air

@TheImperiumEmpire552 8 месяцев назад

the 707 was the fist version with this body, 70 years ago

@BSPIVEY100 Год назад

I'm still amazed that planes even get off the ground.

@bettycrocker3425 9 месяцев назад

And im amazed that paper airplanes can glide

@Henchman1977 11 месяцев назад

Boeing continuously modifying the 737 reminds me of Marge Simpson and the Channel suit.

@Yk3d05bm 8 месяцев назад

I remember that really well good analogy 😂😂😂

@tonynes3577 Год назад

I'm not an airplane engineer but making this airplane more complicated makes 'Murphy's Law' more possible; 'If something can go wrong it will!' I like Airbus and congrats to them.

@Cal90208 Год назад

Don’t forget about the A320, A321, A321NEO, and A321XLR. They’re doing the same thing. Albeit Boeing is doing it more so

@jcspotter7322 5 месяцев назад

@@Cal90208airbus isn't stretching their airframe beyond it's limits. The neo's engine fit because they moved the engine in front of the wing instead of under it. They haven't stretched the airframs to the point where they need to modify the landing gear to be overly complicated

@JJ-xi5or Год назад

At this point, just make a 757 neo

@Felontich 11 месяцев назад

Cost problems

@matthewfranklin7541 Год назад

Are we sure the landing gear compression system is for this purpose? It could be a system designed to extend the landing gear life when operated by Ryanair... 😁

@machaviationofficial Год назад

They’re being to cheap and have been with the whole project. Argue it’s for convenience all you want, but the truth is they’re just trying to save money at the expense of peoples lives.

@ChapatiMan Год назад

It’s not risking any more lives, and it’s good for everyone if it’s cheaper

@machaviationofficial Год назад

@@ChapatiMan no, they could have banged the aircraft height, and not had to install MCAS. They didn’t, because it would cost them money for simulators. Instead they made minor changes that meant MCAS would be needed and that costed nearly 500 lives. Now they have the problems with the -10 shown in this video. The only reason they did it was to save money and that’s not good when it costs us lives.

@Samguy55 Год назад

@@machaviationofficial who said it’s a problem when something is working fine? Have you ever seen where you make a modification without some changes?

@machaviationofficial Год назад

@@Samguy55 do you research - the MAX-10 has problems hence it has not been delivered to any airlines. The fuselage is too long for the height of the aircraft.

@Samguy55 Год назад

@@machaviationofficial I know. I’m just saying whenever a modification is made, there must be challenges. It’s up to the company to tackle such challenges and that’s what they did. You’re making it look like modification to a product is always a problem

@dhayalan86 5 месяцев назад

It looks like Boeing always has a problem and a workaround. The fact is that nobody knows the work around until something happens in mid-air and they say we forgot to tell the pilot or staff the workaround.. 😂

@markjones336 Год назад

I won’t be flying in it!😳

@fluoxethine Год назад

Boeing is like: "We had a manslaughter episode but this happens from time to time! Let's keep going and patch this, then patch that. We might loose a few pennies but no one is going to jail, so no worries! Prize for the craziest optimization which will save us millions!"

@stephanboxall1462 4 месяца назад

It’s really insane that hundreds of people can die and no one goes to jail, yet individual civilians are convicted of manslaughter for the death of a single person, all the time.

@vapsa56 Год назад

The 737-900NG was already prone to tail strikes. There are plenty of these strikes on record. The 737-9 MAX is longer than the 900NG. Now you have the -10 MAX at 5'6" longer than the MAX-9. I would say the tail strikes are inevitable.

@Noctilucent800 Год назад

Tail clearance margins are better on the -10 (and -9) than the -8 and -800 (you read that right). Stretch is primarily ahead of the wing so it’s all in the geometry plus the moss referred to 👍🏻

@dmcr9525 Год назад

But the MAX 9 is only 3 inches longer than the -900. Thats not much of a difference.

@richardmiller257 Год назад

Yes, the MAX 9 is the same length as -900 (just as the MAX 8 is the same as -800), but they didn't enlarge the tailcone for better aerodynamics

@dmcr9525 Год назад

@@richardmiller257 The -8 and -9 are actually slightly longer than the -800 and -900 by 1 and 3 feet respectively

@richardmiller257 Год назад

@@dmcr9525 no the max 8's and 9's are the exact same length as NG -800 and -900 respectively. They did streamline the tailcones for aero purposes which accounts for the overall small length increase

@barrel6468 8 месяцев назад

For christs sake, there’s a tail stand designed for the 737-900 to keep it from tipping over at the gate, and Boeing still decided to extend the fuselage anyway? The 737 reached its full length potential with the -900. It’s time for something new.

@dodge_walks Год назад

But the compression system will enable and disable on landing by itself at will unless you buy the upgraded display option and boeing won't put in the manual why. Also Dave from Boeing's janitorial staff will sign it off as safe themselves.

@Isaiah-xi3lu Год назад

Lmao what a dig 😂

@Japanairlinesroblox1 Год назад

Nice vid about the 737 max 10

@mottyk8491 Год назад

If it works it works .. but what I don't understand is why they stopped making the 757

@madman98-37 9 месяцев назад

We love the 737 but it is modified enough instead we need the 757 max

@kimmerdkd Год назад

The 757 should never have been discontinued.. The incidents of tail strikes as well as engines ingesting dirt or debris with this aircraft was addressed by the aircraft fuselage being much higher from the ground with an already established FAA required flight attendant crew of 1per maximum of 50 passengers and 1 each pilot and co-pilot so labor cost remained the same while the 757 was a proven long haul high capacity bird with a far nicer cabin.

@bmused55 Год назад

The 757 wasn't selling. Everyone who needed them had them. No one was buying any more. At the time. Had Boeing waited 5 years, they might have seen a surge of new orders as airlines started needing more due to sending them on longer flights and finding them to be excellent for that. Sods law.

@chestermike9708 Год назад

Great information guys !!

@wilfredorebibis1719 Год назад

I hope the fuselage extension will not aerodynamically hamper the handling performance, that the flight crew will have suprises again down the line

@admiralsnackbar69 11 месяцев назад

@phillipbanes5484 yep can't let the perfectly avoidable 100s of deaths go. Stop deep throating boeing and their dangerous greed.

@outermarker5801 10 месяцев назад

@@phillipbanes5484It is in fact a pretty spectacular multi faceted fail in the history of tombstone engineering and governance. It'll dog the Max till they're all scrap.

@josh.97 Год назад

Love these videos - keep it up

@chrisswift73 Год назад

The max 8 and 9 was a ok ish idea of modernising the 737-800, but the 10 is a no for me. More simple answer was a 797 or a 757 neo. Own goal from Boeing for me

@droid_protocol_official Год назад

They should have just redeveloped the 757

@benediktmorak4409 7 месяцев назад

we will hear it in - 60 seconds before impact- or in any of these -deadly accident - episodes.

@KeelohTwango Год назад

Stop milking it plz !!! A clean sheet design on the lines of the ‘Pencil’ is what is required

@nicolaematei3692 Год назад

This system was being used since 777-300 ER

@yhfhdcf Год назад

Bro how is the 737-10 gonna fit inside the a320s apu if its too long 💀

@timbaugh4034 Год назад

Boeing needs to get serious about replacing the 737.

@codymcnary3607 5 месяцев назад

This Aircraft will make the infancy of the early DC-10 look like teething pains!

@metalox88 2 месяца назад

Like taking a 1965 greyhound bus and jamming a 454 GM motor

@johnm8224 Год назад

So hang on... They had to put the engines further forward and higher up especially BECAUSE they didn't want to extend the landing gear, making the now-infamous MCAS necessary, but they've extended the landing gear anyway now?? Confused.

@Laxa30 Год назад

You should be confused because you’re not making any sense. The plane doesn’t sit any higher then it normally does. The extension only happen when rotating on take off

@neil.4725 Год назад

Love these new little facts videos 👍👍👍

@AirlinersLive Год назад

Thanks Neil - we have more coming :)

@davidperry4013 9 месяцев назад

I loved to see a 7J7 to fruition with CFM rise engines

@rocky3.041 8 месяцев назад

Yes it is very much

@sharoncassell5273 4 месяца назад

Amazing feat. Build the car around the man.

@ICONICYOBOY1819 9 месяцев назад

WE MAKIN OUT DA STALL WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@pavelchylek8432 6 месяцев назад

Respect engineers who did the work

@gigachad3327 5 месяцев назад

The same engineers who designed the Infamous MCAS system?

@icare7151 5 месяцев назад

Max Death Trap

@garytaylor7254 Год назад

Free flights for everyone

@rachmunshine9474 5 месяцев назад

Great more bolts to come off

@jude_the_apostle 11 месяцев назад

They really shouldn't have stopped the 757 program

@ArcadipaneVideos Год назад

This plane is completely done. I don't know why the powers that be at Boeing don't have. People to design a new plane?They haven't figured out already after 2 crashes that they have done enough to this plane but they continue to want to play around with it. No wonder why Boeing is in 2nd place now.

@WsjjsWsj Год назад

Modify it till ya get it how you want it. Make an omelette….crash a few.

@bruceparson3742 Год назад

Hello modifications are normal for example F15 ,B52, and C130's Also fuselage extensions are a pretty common and successful.

@danielwinn7108 5 месяцев назад

We saw what happened the last time they got creative with the 737

@williamwildcat 9 месяцев назад

Put a tail wheel like Concorde

@Mail2sumit88 11 месяцев назад

This is already a notorious plan and more modifications are not required.

@BethsaydaHizon Год назад

God bless ❤️and keep safe 😍🇵🇭

@reubenmcvey52 Год назад

It looked like it went up vertically

@gigmaresh8772 4 месяца назад

Boeing was actually working on this landing gear when they decided instead to go with moving the new larger engines to that forward and above the wing so they could compete wit the Airbus Neo. And that threw off the center of gravity. And that led to the computer program MCAS they didn't bother to tell anyone about. And that caused the crash of Ethiopian and Lion and caused three hundred and forty six deaths. (346) The saddest part of all of this is that Boeing in all their greed still doesn't think they did anything wrong

@TraderJam1 11 месяцев назад

Re-inventing the wheel - Duct tape and bailing wire thinking - OceanGate Macgyver on steroids

@Nebulous0_o 5 месяцев назад

Let’s hope this redesign wasn’t installed on a Monday morning like the emergency exit plugs obviously were.

@dctungsten 11 месяцев назад

Its time to break out the 757 from the boeing toybox

@amirdahir2029 Год назад

AMIIIIIIRR TAHIIIIIRRRR 👓👓👓👓👓👓👓👓👓👓👓👓👓👓

@JustAvation_Ireland Год назад

Ryan air bought a good few

@jonatkinson1971 Год назад

Another company that puts profits before people. The MAX is thus the perfect choice.

@schnitzel1984 Год назад

Course they did - it was the cheapest option 😕

@markrhuett Год назад

It was the best option for Ryan Air.

@jonatkinson1971 Год назад

I always fly Easyjet short haul. That way I know I'm never flying on a 737🤣

@easydrive3662 Год назад

The max8 and 800s are slippy and fast on landing plus of course the max8 requires the mcas for stability, so creating an even longer max10 would be a right handful for pilots!!!

@artisteric 5 месяцев назад

And here we are again with the 737 …

@davidfuller581 5 месяцев назад

I feel like the simpler solution was just... I don't know, making the landing gear longer.

@edsheeran9882 Год назад

SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER MCAS

@Gamerboy-gy1rl Год назад

No it doesn't 🤦🏿‍♂️

@AlvinYuen-xc1vd Год назад

Patch work+afterthought

@bossybail50 10 месяцев назад

Yes because they can't make another aircraft that doesn't have to huge risks and was grounded for years

@AirlinerCamera Год назад

They need to make completely new plane I think

@MattFromWiiSportsAndWiiParty 9 месяцев назад

A340 watching this: 👁️👄👁️

@ralphgoodberlet2093 10 месяцев назад

Brilliant Move by Boeing!

@SmooV15 2 месяца назад

Choose life , don’t fly on a Boeing , simples 👍

@picklerick_404 Год назад

I don’t think boeing can do anything else to the 737 airframe, might as well design a new 757 and put it into production.

@WigsyDoesSimRacing 10 месяцев назад

When there’s no ground clearance to begin with, stretching it was always gunna create this problem, trust American engineers to miss something blatantly obvious. Time to bring back the 757 I think.

@amandaspencer1304 4 месяца назад

Why don't they just bring back the 757?

@mariusfrost640 Год назад

I think any engineering solution can be valid, as long as it's thoroughly tested and verified.

@kevindigo22 11 месяцев назад

True...but we know what happened with the Max 8

@nel600 Год назад

It seems that overall now days Airbus jets are better

@snuffthemagicdragon9721 5 месяцев назад

At this stage, with all the cancelled orders , quality problems, and law siuts, it would have probably been cheaper to design a new aircraft from scratch.

@danielthommen8243 Год назад

Modify something to modify the modification doesn't sound too safe to me...

@jamiemorris4687 Год назад

More mode, more risk of failure

@BrandonSKW 9 месяцев назад

Boeing looking like beginners in the aviation industry as compared to Airbus.

@jaynechew166 2 месяца назад

Agree Boeing would be better making 757X

@MichaelFRASCOGNA Год назад

Honestly if Boeing is going to already make the fuselage bigger what about getting rid of the window shades and do a electronically dimmed windows like on the Boeing 787?

@boondoc001 Год назад

And what happens if/when either mechanism fail?

@whirltech8031 Год назад

They've spent enough finding workarounds to do a clean sheet design. The major hang up is the FAA is so inept and difficult at certification, no OEM wants to risk a new design.

@MsTatli 6 месяцев назад

if I recall correctly 737-800 MAX was grounded for more than a year may be two... as accidents happened due to modifications in design. .Larger engines which caused a nose up tendency that was remedied with a compensating electronics....which failed......As a non aeronotics engineer my Lesson learned was: a commercial aircraft geometry and c.o.g. must be inherently stable and not rely on compensating systems that can fail like any system could. military design might not care about it but civil aviation need to.

@AmbientMorality 5 месяцев назад

It is stable, but there was an aerodynamic quirk on high angle of attack maneuvers that made it less stable there (though still stable). Fixing an issue like that with software is definitely reasonable and done on modern planes, but it can't be software that relies on a single sensor and can't even fail safely.