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The A.I. Tech Fad Is Just Compulsively Shady (The Jimquisition) 

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The shameless race to the bottom with so-called Artificial Intelligence is only just getting started, and I have to thank to the fad's biggest advocates for being so inherently shady that arguing against them is practically Easy Mode.
Let's talk about shady behavior, SAG-AFTRA, Mario, and why A.I. continues to be trouble.
#AI #artificialintelligence #Media #Mario #Tech #Techbros #Jimquisition #JimSterling #StephanieSterling #Games #Gaming #Videogames

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@DarknessIsTheTruth
@DarknessIsTheTruth 4 месяца назад
Just imagine: AI-generated voices, reading AI-generated scripts, with AI-generated art and animations, every single employee fired... and the executives will STILL say "Games are just so expensive to make, Boo-hoo, that'll be 70 dollars"
@jadedbreadncircus9159
@jadedbreadncircus9159 4 месяца назад
No living wage though. Just learn to sell prompts bro.
@jamesrule1338
@jamesrule1338 4 месяца назад
With no one working, who is going to have the money to buy them?
@leetri
@leetri 4 месяца назад
@@jamesrule1338 That's a concept companies seem literally unable to comprehend. "Waaah people aren't buying our products, fucking millennials are killing the industry waaaah", they cry, while at the same time paying people so little they have to work multiple jobs just to afford rent.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
Besides the ethical issues, it doesn't really make business sense. Human actors & writers are notoriously cheap, even more so outside the US. And once you've made the product (movies, TV, games) you can literally keep selling it endlessly, everywhere, for as long as it makes sense to do so. Royalties and wages can be negotiated a helluva lot more easily, and at much lower rates, than Cloud tech service-usage fees & engineering costs. They are jerking off to this fantasy of zero-expense labor, but there are expenses, and they are *high*.
@devforfun5618
@devforfun5618 4 месяца назад
and still have no money to buy stuff because they arent goign to pay well@@jadedbreadncircus9159
@i.m.evilhomer5084
@i.m.evilhomer5084 4 месяца назад
Fun Fact: The OpenAI legal team was recently quoted saying this to the British Parliament "It would be impossible to train today’s leading AI models without using copyrighted materials.", they also basically said they would go out of business if they were banned from doing so.
@KingOfDoma
@KingOfDoma 4 месяца назад
Which means their asses SHOULD go out of business
@SpoopySquid
@SpoopySquid 4 месяца назад
And nothing of value would be lost
@Raso719
@Raso719 4 месяца назад
Oh there was another quote that was worse! They said the basically had no regard for gobbling up all content regardless of copyright or consent because they viewed human creativity as inefficient and obsolete. I thought it was a fucking Onion or Harddrive article at first.
@devilmikey00
@devilmikey00 4 месяца назад
Which is why OpenAI has recently removed it's stance on not letting it be used by the military. They know they will be banned from vacuuming up copyrighted material eventually so now they are beginning to pivot into trying to convince the military that AI can drop bombs on people more effectively. These are deeply deeply sick people.
@Gloomdrake
@Gloomdrake 4 месяца назад
@@Raso719they think human creativity is obsolete because they have none
@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm
@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm 4 месяца назад
The most logical use of A.I in business to replace the CEOs. All they do is crack numbers and looking for keywords, and CEOs do the same. Unlike Kotick, A.I might understand that Call of Duty isn’t the only AAA game.
@LillyP-xs5qe
@LillyP-xs5qe 4 месяца назад
But then who will sexually assault the workers?
@KaiserAfini
@KaiserAfini 4 месяца назад
AI are far superior, since they don't need to be paid multi million dollars in bonuses for doing nothing. Unlike real quality leaders, being a CEO of the AAA games industry is not skilled work.
@piotrarent6894
@piotrarent6894 4 месяца назад
Accidentaly, that could make CEOs more human
@linguotgr
@linguotgr 4 месяца назад
It would take a lot to convince me this isn't what happened at Facebook.
@Pyre
@Pyre 4 месяца назад
Okay so, just in case people don't know: this is Wall Street. That's not a joke, and you can look it up. Most investment in the US stock market has been handled by algorithms for *decades* . The old men in suits at high positions in investment companies don't actually DO much of anything: almost every important decision is left to the machines. This is SPECIFICALLY why stocks swing so wildly so often, at the slightest provocation. The stock market is already nothing but a giant game of pretend and educated guesses. If the things making the 'guesses' have no capacity for imagination, well. Sadly, this likely means that replacing CEOs with AI would have similarly fucky results. After all, the dataset the algorithms would be trained on would be poisoned to begin with. But one can hope.
@SpoopySquid
@SpoopySquid 4 месяца назад
Early tech utopianists: In the future, the boring and alienanating labour will be automated, freeing up whole hours of the day to focus on arts and being creative Modern-day tech bros: We've taught machines how to create art so our serfs can spend as much time as possible on boring abd alienanating labour
@electroflame6188
@electroflame6188 4 месяца назад
It's because robotics is like a decade behind ML
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 4 месяца назад
@@electroflame6188and some people like it that way
@SharienGaming
@SharienGaming 4 месяца назад
@@electroflame6188 nah robotic automation is just more expensive to maintain than a system that allows massively underpaying people for their labour... you cant underpay a machine without it breaking down and you having to pay for a new one... but with people someone else pays the cost when those break down in the end its all about controlling people... because people that have leisure time and dont have to worry about their next meal or shelter... they tend to have time to think about the world around them... and come to conclusions that the capitalists really dont like... and even worse they might be able to act upon those conclusions better to keep the desperate and struggling...otherwise the whole system fall apart... well it might fall apart before those benefitting from it can run away with their ill gotten gains... it will fall apart eventually either way
@scottbuck1572
@scottbuck1572 4 месяца назад
Just as they intended
@mekingtiger9095
@mekingtiger9095 4 месяца назад
Pretty sure you've already said this exact same over and over again in other videos about the same topic for over a year now. And yet it never ceases to be true.
@elderlygoose3667
@elderlygoose3667 4 месяца назад
I miss when Ai was just a term used for explaining how clever the enemies in games appeared to be.
@VixYW
@VixYW 4 месяца назад
Funny enough, generative AI can be used for that. It baffles me that everyone is so busy pursuing replacing workforce that nearly no one made an actual serious attempt at it yet.
@mekingtiger9095
@mekingtiger9095 4 месяца назад
​@@VixYW That's the only thing I'd always wanted and have been waiting from AI and for companies to improve upon and even when they finally get their hands into this potential breakthrough *THEY STILL IGNORE THAT AND SQUANDER IT!!!*
@KaletheQuick
@KaletheQuick 4 месяца назад
​@@VixYWGame AI peaked a bit ago. Players don't want a true AI system, even an advanced state machine can seem too adaptive. Which sucks because I was trying to figure out how to have a second GPU run an adversary in a simple FPS. By actually seeing the world.
@notgiven
@notgiven 4 месяца назад
@@KaletheQuick Well, in terms of wanting to "beat" the AI, yes, players want games they can win, and any machine learning algorithm set as their opponent with incentives to defeat the player would eventually form a strategy that beats most, if not all players. This would make the game feel unfair, but that's not the only way to use AI for character behavior. It could make "escort" missions or AI controlled party members less frustrating by making the friendly NPC's act and react more beneficially to the player. For enemies, if there were a form of player feedback (like how well players enjoyed a round in multiplayer games, for example) it could learn a baseline level of "fun" difficulty and what edge cases or difficulty spikes it can employ to make the game more interesting and keep the player guessing and engaged, rather than trying to "beat" the player. In multiplayer this would be easy, but in single player, training the AI might be part of the development or part of an early access program, with the rating systems removed once the devs are satisfied that the model is trained on their game. The devs could still have the game tracking player engagement and retention to continue refining itself, but doing that from the start would be gambling with your audience's patience.
@ASpaceOstrich
@ASpaceOstrich 4 месяца назад
Players don't want the AI to beat them, but its still a long way from peaking. Especially in things like complex strategy games where the AI can't even use all the systems it has at its disposal, let along use them well. Imagine Civilisation games but with the AI actually attempting to win. Really lets the player put their strategic skills to the test. Or if you turn the difficulty down, sure they're not trying their hardest to win. But they're now acting more like a real leader in that situation. No longer will they settle right next to you and then be confused as to why you're too close to them. Your close ally won't betray you the microsecond they have a higher score than you because they've forgotten that you're a production powerhouse. You can form alliances that actually work together. @@KaletheQuick
@AtomicSpaceWizard.
@AtomicSpaceWizard. 4 месяца назад
I have a recurring nightmare that when the AI bubble breaks, companies will sell media to us at an extra premium cost and label it as "AI free" or "human sourced."
@whoisthisguy128
@whoisthisguy128 4 месяца назад
"AI-free Assassin's Creed" So, Ubisoft, you're saying all the npcs stand around uselessly while we murder everyone?
@storageheater
@storageheater 4 месяца назад
the amount of versions of AI you can buy from Microsoft right now, to me, look a little bit like a bubble in the middle of bursting. and all of the Bing reddit is currently confused about why it's not as good as it used to be, or broken, or how to access it. i think we're on track to the nightmare!
@collin1240
@collin1240 4 месяца назад
My plan is to sell myself as an artisanal artist: Providing 100% AI-free, ethically sourced art. Etc.
@MarcusFigueras
@MarcusFigueras 3 месяца назад
recurring nightmare? that's just a headline in like, 3 months tops
@kriscynical
@kriscynical 4 месяца назад
I'm an illustrator for a living. When I said that AI "artists" wouldn't be able to produce jack shit if the AI generator was taken away from them, I actually had an AI art bro try to tell me that _I_ wouldn't be able to produce anything, either, if my tools were taken away. After I retrieved my eyes from rolling into the back of my skull, I told them that I could still draw in the dirt with my fucking FINGER if I had to, because my tools don't produce the Thing for me. _I_ produce the Thing, because _I am the production tool._ Dealing with this shit right after dealing with all the NFT Bros just has me tired. _So tired._ 🤦‍♀️
@EmeraldMara85
@EmeraldMara85 4 месяца назад
I feel for you, as I literally had to ask a tech bro dozens of times how is the LLM (Large Language Model) not plagirism when anyone can put the artists' names into the prompt? He could not explain anything about what an LLM does and only said "I misrepresent it" as I showed university research papers to him. While the same tech bro, refused to answer why he gets to tell artists to work for free when he won't work for free himself.
@AegixDrakan
@AegixDrakan 4 месяца назад
As a writer, I feel you. I legitimately miss NFTs, because at least the only being being hurt by the grift where the people buying into it.
@mekingtiger9095
@mekingtiger9095 4 месяца назад
_"BuTt WoT iF YuO LoST yUoR pHiNgUrS???"_
@DaDMonDCB
@DaDMonDCB 4 месяца назад
If you are an animator for living, may I ask how you feel about AI art for non-profit purposes? I play tabletop gaming and write below amateur fanfic. And I've got a folder of images used from trying to generate silly characters for roleplay with friends or on forums. I, however, was under the assumption that such a thing was as harmless if used casually as was grabbing and recoloring other's art for your faceclaims, so long as it stays casual. I'm completely on the side that all this ai in the industry, when money is involved and people's livelihood are at stake, is completely wrong and should be illegal. And I fear for folk at, say, conventions trying to sell the art they made legitimately. But how do professionals feel about folk using it for casual purposes, just for hobby stuff? Edit: I will note that I've spent more money going to conventions and purchasing the occasional vendor print (particularly My Hero Academia based) than I have on the AI. Though that's not much because my use of it is, shall we say, completely off the grid. I can't exactly feed the AI when my "version" of it isn't online, and not paying for their subscription service means buying more fanart (and vendor trash in general) when me and my writing friend hang out in person.
@VixYW
@VixYW 4 месяца назад
Joke's on him, AI art generation is one of the best tools an artist could have to help produce better art faster.
@Markleford
@Markleford 4 месяца назад
Late-stage cAAAptialism always seems to come down to "How can we avoid paying people for their work, so that we as the investor class can continue to get wealthy without doing any work of our own?"
@AegixDrakan
@AegixDrakan 4 месяца назад
The question is... What will they do once no one has a job, and no one can buy their stuff? What will they do when the entire economy fully dies?
@armelior4610
@armelior4610 4 месяца назад
Well it's called "capitalism", not "workism" so it does what it says on the tin : all the money in the world must be concentrated in as few hands as possible
@0og
@0og 4 месяца назад
@@AegixDrakan nobody having a job means they have general intelligence, and general intelligence means they have all the labor they want, unpaid. it means they wont need anyone to buy things, because they own everything.
@TeleportRush
@TeleportRush 4 месяца назад
That's only half the equation. The other half is the inner circle/winners of the investor class figuring out repeated scams in order to divest the more gullible wealthy from their money through bad investments.
@Acide950
@Acide950 4 месяца назад
To be fair, that has always been how capitalism worked. The only new thing is the tools being used.
@TheJacobG
@TheJacobG 4 месяца назад
The frustrating thing is algorithms like this do have legitimate uses. There have been stories of medial advancements using AI models to analyze very large, complex sets of data. Identifying patterns that humans would take years to discover. They are great at doing tedious, non-creative work.
@devilmikey00
@devilmikey00 4 месяца назад
Yeah, or making it much much easier to do motion/facial capture in film or animation. We now have tools where you can just shoot a video or take a series of photos and feed that into an ai model and get results without needing a dude on a giant green screen with green props covered in ping pong balls. It's not perfect or anything but it smashes down the barrier for entry on stuff like that in smaller productions. These are good tools but the whole well is being poisoned because a bunch of techbro fuck knuckles want to get paid while putting god knows how many people out of work in the process. I know everyone is focused on the creative industry right now but the whole call center/over the phone service industry is about to be absolutely obliterated. Like, if something is not done that entire sector is going to just be gone and replaced with AI bots, millions will be out of work.
@danmickle2604
@danmickle2604 4 месяца назад
That's one of the things that irritates me about the whole AI = nft narrative. This tech does have real positive and good applications but everyone in these spaces is focused solely on generative AI. There are a lot of ways this tech could make disabled peoples lives better.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
You mean machine learning (ML), not generative AI (a use of ML), but both suffer from lack of context and audit trails. Those medical AI models tend to elicit patterns that reflect existing biases & inequalities, not necessarily the underlying health states. In order to be safe & effective, both the training data *and* the outcomes have to be carefully curated by, and able to be audited by, trained medical professionals to know how the result was determined. That doesn't achieve the *real* outcome that is intended, which is to reduce or eliminate the need for expert professionals.
@gaho5624
@gaho5624 4 месяца назад
AI is not welcome in rt and culture, it should stay in medecine and science. That's all.
@sitichybrid
@sitichybrid 4 месяца назад
I agree. I think even generative AI could have some legitimate uses, but needs a lot more further work, and a more ethical considerations. But hypercapitalists and scam artists jumping on it are touting it as something it isn't, and trying to shove it into places that it won't work. I'm waiting for the first multimilliondollar AI fail up. When someone uses Generative AI to polish up marketing material or research and it makes a downright false claim that makes it out, when people try to run it for customer service and it starts giving away too much (or too little), etc. In a research papers, it's been noted that given vague enough (IE, normal) incentives to succeed, some of these models will jump to fraud, and hiding the evidence. All the empathy of your normal business shark in a human suit, but without even the ability to fear punishment- if we could figure out what a punishment was for database of probability.
@IRDeady
@IRDeady 4 месяца назад
Not to be a "this is literally 1984" type, but I remember when I read it for the first time I thought it was so dumb that Orwell included a machine that created pop songs. It honestly was the one thing that took me out of the story because it seemed so stupid. I think about it every single time I see stuff about AI.
@Mick0Mania
@Mick0Mania 4 месяца назад
Ironically, the music industry is one of the only creative fields to dodge the bullet, thanks to their cutthroat legal presence.
@PraxisAbraxis
@PraxisAbraxis 4 месяца назад
@@Mick0Mania Dude, the music industry didn't or doesn't need help draining the creative soul out of humanity as it is. 90%(willing to label as hyperbole) of it went to hell decades ago.
@ninjacat230
@ninjacat230 4 месяца назад
Wasn't there a machine that made novels too?
@IRDeady
@IRDeady 4 месяца назад
@@ninjacat230 I think so. It's been a while though.
@soulkibble1466
@soulkibble1466 4 месяца назад
My favorite argument I've seen these AI bros use is how they're "democratizing art" by making it so the little guy can compete with the "Rich privileged artists" who apparently only got good by spending a shitload of money on expensive art schools supplies etc. And I'm like, "Nothing is stopping you from picking up a cheap pencil and paper pal"
@darksidegryphon5393
@darksidegryphon5393 4 месяца назад
If memory doesn't fail me, a ream of paper costs ~5€, a pencil costs ~0.30€ and an eraser costs ~1€. Or ~4.30£, ~0.26£ and 0.86£ respectively. Or ~8.24$, ~0.49$ and ~1.65$ respectively. AUD More or less the same in USD.
@gokuxsephiroth4505
@gokuxsephiroth4505 4 месяца назад
@@darksidegryphon5393 I mean, less than that if you'll head to poundland/dollar store etc
@Xvladin
@Xvladin 4 месяца назад
What do you mean? The benefit is they art is now easier to make. You don't have to invest a lot of time into learning how to draw to make some nice little art. It makes it easier for people to make art. I get that if you invested time into learning how to make art you would be upset that other people can do it it without the investment you made, but then what are you doing? Gatekeeping art? The computer put a lot of old machines and jobs out of commission, but it was still good because it made things easier for people. You can do things more easily. It doesn't make sense to NOT make things more easy or convenient just so the people who already sunk time into learning how to do it the hard way are still the only ones able to do the work. Isn't that like saying "You can't make a vaccine that gets rid of tooth decay, becuase then I, a dentist, will not lose the power I have that I use to make money.
@soulkibble1466
@soulkibble1466 4 месяца назад
@@Xvladin Alright, if it's suppose to make drawing easier then show me right now. Draw a cat with your own two hands. Show us how it made it easier for you to learn.
@Xvladin
@Xvladin 4 месяца назад
@@soulkibble1466 What do you mean? I'm not saying that it makes it easier to learn how to make yourself (though Im sure it could be used that way), it's easier to create the art. I don't have to good at painting to make a painting now, because I can just make a neural net that generates a painting. That's good!
@StonedHunter
@StonedHunter 4 месяца назад
The fact that I'm not at all surprised that they disregarded voice actors just shows how long and how intense the distain and under appreciation voice actors have always gotten within the greater world of acting is. Like what the hell was the strike for if they were just gonna give the companies what they wanted anyway?
@UnfortunatelyTheHunger
@UnfortunatelyTheHunger 4 месяца назад
The disdain for VAs I think is largely due to screen actors having little to no respect for animation and video games as artforms. To them, it's not really art unless it can be fully carried by an actor's performance; it's also why they don't really like movies that are heavy on special effects either
@MYSTERYDISCS
@MYSTERYDISCS 4 месяца назад
They must have tried really hard to come up with a name as dystopian as "Replica'.
@cv5953
@cv5953 4 месяца назад
Doppeldanger
@ben6464
@ben6464 4 месяца назад
Oh my god! I bought you that straw. Amazing, thank you for putting it in the video.
@sambonbon755
@sambonbon755 4 месяца назад
I wish I could buy Steph something that would appear in the show :)
@HUYI1
@HUYI1 4 месяца назад
really wholesome, it seems he loved the gift ❤
@chloeirnes
@chloeirnes 4 месяца назад
You're lucky they didn't put it somewhere else! 😮
@DragonNexus
@DragonNexus 4 месяца назад
The issue with "AI" is the genuine use cases are kinda...dull? In terms of business hype anyway. It can be used in medical fields, architecture, business modelling...a whole bunch of techy ways that can simplify work done by humans as an assistant, not a replacement. But then it butts heads with late stage capitalism, the need to get as much as possible for as little as possible. Slavery is a lost cause, and getting children back into the workplace has been a tough sell, so why not just get rid of workers completely? AI doesn't need breaks, doesn't need paying, feeding, sleep, and best of all won't unionise! So once again capitalism sets up the gallows and gets people to successfully line up to put their own heads on the block with the promise that this time you won't be the schmuck that could have bought stock in Apple in the 80s but didn't.
@jasonfenton8250
@jasonfenton8250 4 месяца назад
Slavery, at least in the United States, is definitely NOT a lost cause. The high cost of living and low wages are very coercive and force people to endure things they never would if given a real choice. Not bad enough? How about prison labor in for profit prisons where they earn less than a dollar an hour?
@jazz-a-lopium8090
@jazz-a-lopium8090 4 месяца назад
Dat is right! Dis guy speaking has a reactionary view... Dis is bad............. (humans are very irrational, I'm afraid).
@MsAnubisia
@MsAnubisia 4 месяца назад
Child labor in the U.S. is absolutely not a lost cause. More and more states are either rolling back child labor protections or passing new laws that give employers more power over underage employees.
@kiwikemist
@kiwikemist 4 месяца назад
That's all well and good, but "A.I" right now isn't capable of doing any of that replacing. All it is, is a bloated set of statistical models that make it a glorified Bixby. It's effectively useless because it's not real intelligence
@VulpesHilarianus
@VulpesHilarianus 4 месяца назад
Ahahah. Yeah. Slavery... Uh... Indonesia and the U.S. both still have slavery, they just try really *really* hard to call it something else. In Indonesia often times it's child slavery, while in the U.S. it's prison slavery.
@benhbuehler
@benhbuehler 4 месяца назад
I'd be furious with SAG-AFTRA. The whole consent line is ridiculous coming from a union because the whole point of having one is that individual consent alone isn't enough and you need the whole group.
@benhbuehler
@benhbuehler 4 месяца назад
Of course, I mean the leadership, to be clear.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
In a union, the leaders negotiate a proposal, but the members have to vote whether to ratify it. So all the actors will in fact get a chance to review the terms, and either approve them or not *before* anything goes into effect. I'm guessing they were pissed that they weren't consulted for the negotiations, but that's how representative democracy works - you elect someone to do that on your behalf. If they don't like this leadership, there'll be a vote on that too, probably soon-ish. I like Steph, but she needed to be clearer here on how US unions work, since most folks don't actually know.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
As to consent, pretty sure that's about any individual actor's performance. Haven't seen the proposal, but I'd guess they got similar terms for voice-replication as for the on-camera body-scanning. As I understand it, each person would have to sign-off on not only the capture, but the use to which their likeness (or voice, here, presumably) would be put. I don't know how specific it gets, what penalties or liabilities exist for misuse, etc. But the actors will get to review all that prior to voting on the proposal as a whole.
@coltonruscheinsky7863
@coltonruscheinsky7863 4 месяца назад
I imagine studios could leverage this by instead of having voice actors come in and perform for whatever the union rate is, studios will have the option to say "Hey, we'll pay you much less to use your AI replicated voice in our game. And if you don't agree to it, we'll just shop around until we find a voice actor that will."@@mandisaw
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
@@coltonruscheinsky7863 How it works now, you pay VAs one-time and you can just keep using their voice in your game in perpetuity, with unlimited copies. AI firms though usually bill as an ongoing service, where you're paying to generate lines, access new refinements, etc. The ideal from the actors' POV would probably require some kind of ongoing royalties from the AI service, for as long as the "voice" is in their library. Which would then be passed on to the studios via subscription fees. Like with Cloud, or outsourcing - in some cases it's cheaper, but in a lot of cases, those continuous charges add up to way more than just hiring someone.
@CreeperKiller666
@CreeperKiller666 4 месяца назад
Just a headsup, generative AI *does* have a place (in science!). Just not in the arts! Broad language models have helped crack several tricky scientific problems including genome sequencing, protein folding, and reconstructing damaged historical texts. The issue with the way that tech companies are using them lies with corporate greed and incomitance, not with the technology itself. A well-trained, narrowly implemented model can be a useful tool for researchers.
@SibrenFetter
@SibrenFetter 4 месяца назад
Exactly, this is seen too little!
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
Even in science though, there is pressure to use ML (not genAI) as a replacement for trained professionals though. The aim is to need fewer biomed techs, post-docs, et al and just have an expert human oversee a bunch of what used to be called "mechanical Turks".
@talonhammer
@talonhammer 4 месяца назад
​@@mandisawThanks for saying so, I'm losing my mind seeing folks who are furiius at replaced artists but a-ok with replaced science experts. 😮
@devforfun5618
@devforfun5618 4 месяца назад
because research doesnt make as much profit as movies and games, and profit is all that matters@@SibrenFetter
@SharienGaming
@SharienGaming 4 месяца назад
@@devforfun5618 research doesnt make any profit...which is why the vast majority of it is funded by government grants
@makou347
@makou347 4 месяца назад
I had a friend (note past tense) who started writing his own tabletop gaming system and world. When ChatGPT came out, he decided to use it to help him further expand the world by developing secondary NPC and location backgrounds. A year later, he's now just letting AI write literally the whole thing and plans to advertise it as "one of the first fully AI generated tabletop games." It's lazy as hell, and everyone he's asked to give him feedback has emphatically declined.
@Edrialyse
@Edrialyse 4 месяца назад
Maybe they should all agree to just give him one feedback: “Stop using AI” Will he listen? No, he drank the KoolAid. But he won’t be able to say he can’t possibly know why nobody will give him feedback 😂
@Ramsey276one
@Ramsey276one 4 месяца назад
It was one okay step forward, then a *PENGUIN DIVE INTO A JURASSIC POOP PILE!!!!* Good grief!
@flurglhinge3051
@flurglhinge3051 4 месяца назад
Why doesn't he just get feedback from chatGPT?
@LavenderGooms
@LavenderGooms 4 месяца назад
Declining to give him feedback just keeps him in his own bubble where he's the only person interacting with it. Feedback might actually help the situation.
@SeanStrife
@SeanStrife 4 месяца назад
I was kinda willing to give AI the benefit of the doubt in the very beginning; I bought into it being potentially a tool in the repertoire OF the artist... but then as time progressed and the shadiness became ever-more apparent, I've actually changed my tune and, at this point, I think techbros have so thoroughly poisoned the well on AI that, even if they were to get the kicks worked out, no self-respecting creative would want to TOUCH that shit. Funny how techbros always seem to completely kill their grift faster than any of us ever could.
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 4 месяца назад
The thing is that the techbros decided to incorporate "move fast and break things" as a way of life, rather than just a way to rapidly prototype some non-critical new bit of software. They just can't feel satisfied unless they've left a trail of wreckage behind them, even if it's the wreckage of their own schemes.
@mekingtiger9095
@mekingtiger9095 4 месяца назад
It's weird, curious and yet ironic how despite not garnering much sympathy from the masses, artists and creatives in general do not really necessarily have to do much by themselves to set the public against the most cultist of AI Tech Bros when they themselves do all this job in their place.
@PretendingToBeAHuman
@PretendingToBeAHuman 4 месяца назад
@@mekingtiger9095 Out of genuine curiosity, how are we artists not garnering sympathy? Many of us not only post our work for free, but create tutorials to teach others how to do what we do, which most of us also post for free. Most of us don’t make a liveable wage despite taking decades to build our skills. I just don’t understand why the public is still so against us. We're working hard to enrich their lives and get virtually nothing in return.
@Damian_1989
@Damian_1989 4 месяца назад
@@PretendingToBeAHuman maybe if i call it "X" instead of the previous name, it won't delete my comment: *Voice actors' opinions on X.*
@Damian_1989
@Damian_1989 4 месяца назад
Oh hey, that seemed to work. Apparently any mention of the blue bird rustles this website's jimmies.
@vexorian
@vexorian 4 месяца назад
I think you were among the quickest to realize this new AI thing is literally just a redo of the NFTs thing. At first I had some disbelief about that, I knew some bits about AI and generative algorithms. But it took me a while to realize. The current AI craze has nothing to do with the tech. There's actually nothing new about the tech. What's changed is not the tech but the intentions with it, the claims about it. The cultists around it. It's not an innovation in tech, it's an 'innovation' in strategies to fuck people over. Much like NFTs it is indeed intrinsically shady. The AI bros just seem unable to do anything ethically. It's really amazing how much this is basically exactly the same as NFTs, but the thing about crypto, NFTs, AI, is not the tech, or the math, or the models, it's the bullshit. The intention to scam people with. To steal from people.
@StraightOuttaJarhois
@StraightOuttaJarhois 4 месяца назад
Unlike NFTs, generative AI actually does something. If it didn't, people wouldn't feel so threatened by it. We can joke about weird AI hands, for example, but the fact is that AI can already somewhat successfully make art to a high level of finish, and it's only going to get better. Like it or not, art as a profession is probably about to face some hard changes.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
​@@StraightOuttaJarhoisMachine learning does something useful. Generative AI is much more use-limited, and doesn't really pay for itself. The business model relies on getting unlimited free training data, and being able to fully own & monetize the output. None of which is likely to happen long-term, and all face legal & fiscal challenges. The users want it to be free/cheap, but the tech is very expensive, and either has to be subsidized, or the prices go so high that only companies can afford it. Even then, the quality, legal, and security issues, plus ongoing rising expense of training new models, may ultimately make "boring" human labor the cheaper & more-sustainable alternative.
@minhuang8848
@minhuang8848 4 месяца назад
Everyone knows that any "tech" is going to be leveraged for scams, but claiming that the current craze has nothing backing it when you can plainly see how huge the implications are is truly silly. Not even just lurking around the corner, we're talking about to a degree where people pretty much immediately accepted the fact that it was possible to have these models imitate and synthesize all kinds of "human" works, including voice acting and video, even. The tech has changed drastically. Comparing it to NFTs is full-on nonsense, considering that the conservatively estimated value difference is around 15 orders of magnitude or so. And it's not like we're playing out novel ideas, we had more than a century to fantasize about how all this playing out, which shows in between the many ways the big AI revolution turned out to be different. Regardless, if you think this is nothing new or "not an innovation in tech," you've been thoroughly asleep and missing all the important aspects for this particular discussion.
@randomtinypotatocried
@randomtinypotatocried 4 месяца назад
Ai bros hate when I bring up a bunch of different copyright cases whenever they try to do a bunch of "gotchas" to me to justify using AI. It's amazing how many of them don't get even the basics of copyright law. I spent a whole ass semester having copyright law drilled into me in my art business course
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
@@randomtinypotatocried In software, we used to say, "free as in freedom vs free as in beer". People see stuff online as both, when often it's neither.
@PretendingToBeAHuman
@PretendingToBeAHuman 4 месяца назад
To all my fellow visual artists, keep an eye on the free program called Glazed and its upcoming extension, Nightshade. Not only can Glazed disguise your art style from AI, Nightshade can poison the AI models who steal it. And it only takes a few drops of poison to kill the monster.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 4 месяца назад
Malware to attack malware lol
@gokuxsephiroth4505
@gokuxsephiroth4505 4 месяца назад
Ohhhh excellent. Do a Kung Pow and train it wrong as a joke
@Xvladin
@Xvladin 4 месяца назад
How does it work? I'm sure there's an easy way to get around it. Someone post an image that's passed through this program and I'll show you that I can still train a model on it.
@radiodeer902
@radiodeer902 4 месяца назад
Nope. Glaze poisons the hell out of the date via hidden usual data. And it's randomized differently each time I believe​@@Xvladin
@Sonichero151
@Sonichero151 3 месяца назад
The word that catches my attention is free....... that shows whoever is making this isn't in it for the money, they want to send the message that AI needs to stay in it's fucking lane as a tool for science research
@SloMoMonday
@SloMoMonday 4 месяца назад
I remember when computer chess engines were beating grandmasters, the proto-techbros said human chess is dead because because all we would want to watch is the perfect machine games. Right now, the only thing you'd use a chess engine for is to cheat or spice up some anal beads. Maybe they will make a perfect game, designed, written, coded, performed and monetized by AI. Infinite Content spewing from the depths of the AAA pit. Nothings changed, it's still BS. And the only good part is that fewer people are actively abused by it.
@Ramsey276one
@Ramsey276one 4 месяца назад
Care to explain the beads bit???
@CharlieTheSupersaurus
@CharlieTheSupersaurus 4 месяца назад
@@Ramsey276one It comes from how many people were saying that was the way that someone cheated in his chess match against the, then, world champion, Magnus Carlsen. The guy had cheated in the past in online chess games. Don't think they ever figured out if he was cheating in his match against Carlsen or not but yeah, the beads thing, all to do with that. Google up Carlsen Niemann chess match for more info.
@thomasakagi7545
@thomasakagi7545 4 месяца назад
@@Ramsey276one last year, Hans Niemann was accused of cheating in a match against Magnus Carlsen. Because of how uncomfortable some people thought Niemann looked during the match, people joked that someone was sending him hints on what to do by consulting a chess engine and using remote controlled vibrating beads in a certain body cavity to signal him.
@Ramsey276one
@Ramsey276one 4 месяца назад
@@thomasakagi7545 Morse Code? Nope, ARSE CODE! O M G XD
@rickdaniel7341
@rickdaniel7341 4 месяца назад
With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound, she pulls the AI Art Tech Industry down. …See, because it’s a parody of the Blue Oyster Cult song called Godzilla.
@Ramsey276one
@Ramsey276one 4 месяца назад
Nice one
@youtubeuniversity3638
@youtubeuniversity3638 3 месяца назад
God*zilla* eh?
@mesektet5776
@mesektet5776 4 месяца назад
Outsourcing to Artificial Intelligence, is only advocated by those with Artificial Integrity.
@BadCaseOfSerpes
@BadCaseOfSerpes 4 месяца назад
With zero Artificial Intensity. It's true, it's artificially damn true
@Xvladin
@Xvladin 4 месяца назад
Would you say the same with computers when computers were first invented and replaced jobs by making them easier? Why is this different?
@mesektet5776
@mesektet5776 4 месяца назад
@@Xvladin You can learn to use a computer and still get a workforce, AI is being embraced by companies because it is unpaid labor
@Xvladin
@Xvladin 4 месяца назад
@@mesektet5776 I can assure you, there are people who would have to work on/with whatever AI they're using. Just like how moving to computers created some jobs, so will implementing and maintaining and using neural nets (if they are adopted). Computers cut down the necessary workforce drastically too, so I don't really see how you can say that they're different. Both cut down on the necessary workforce drastically by making things easier, and created a smaller number of other jobs related to maintaining and using this system. You're identifying an obvious problem, but it's unchecked rampant capitalism, not AI making things easier. AI making things easier isn't bad in itself just because greedy people will use it to benefit themselves. What about a person with a small bussiness, whose able to operate because they were able to get a lot of the work done using AI? Or a bussiness where they impliment AI to get a lot of the work done so the employees don't have to work as hard as they used to without any pay changes? It's the same technology, but in those cases it's not bad. It seems very silly to be saying "Don't make things easier!" instead of "Corprate greed needs to be dealt with".
@Mene0
@Mene0 4 месяца назад
Steph, thank you for being so consistent with the uploads. I look forward to the show every monday
@arturoaguilar6002
@arturoaguilar6002 4 месяца назад
Protect yourself from unauthorized simulation of your voice by signing the contract to authorize us to simulate your voice? That sounds like racketeering. Al Capone would be proud...
@JachymorDota
@JachymorDota 4 месяца назад
It's all about doing as little work as possible (preferably none) to sell for as much as possible (preferably everything). But noone in "the industry" thinks about: Wait, where does the money come from? Who is going to buy if noone is earning money to spend? The entire system is unsustainable, unreasonable and ruled by the uncaring.
@adamejcpa
@adamejcpa 4 месяца назад
The "best" part of the AI fad following immediately upon the NFT fad crashing and burning? They are literally, fundamentally the same. The computers powering the NFT bubble were simply repurposed for the next big thing.
@paritoshd
@paritoshd 4 месяца назад
I once considered calling it Abominable Intelligence like in 40k, but it doesn't work because our "So called AI" isn't anything like it. The Tech Priests would probably be really annoyed that you wasted their time with this, and decree it not heretical.
@LexYeen
@LexYeen 4 месяца назад
Oh, it's still tech-heresy, just not _that kind_ of tech-heresy. After all, it routinely and provably lies to the user.
@katarjin
@katarjin 4 месяца назад
@@LexYeen AdMech would think it was a waste of electricity and burn you just for that.
@kingofthemoon3063
@kingofthemoon3063 4 месяца назад
The imperium and ad-mech care a lot about separation of man and machine. A human can become like unto the machine, this is fine and a major part of the cult mechanicus. A machine however must never become like a human in any capacity whatsoever. Teaching a computer to draw or imitate a human's voice is heresy in the extreme.
@thepolarphantasm2319
@thepolarphantasm2319 4 месяца назад
"They're paving the way for the scorpions to come." *DJ, spin that Winds of Change*
@VecTron5
@VecTron5 4 месяца назад
I hate how homogenous AI art is, among it's other faults. Even the less shit specimens are all boring and weirdly overdetailed.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
The genAI models are trained by non-artists, who don't really know how to deconstruct & analyze the intake art properly. Then the main users also tend to lack art education (formal or not), so they don't know to focus on aspects like light & shadow, form, composition, etc. And of course, neither the model nor the user have a unique artistic "voice", since that's something you build/discover for yourself over years [lifetime!], and hard to describe, let alone quantize. The models & users also often don't quite understand principles of physics, space, and reality. So you'll get a lot of impossible geometry, like infinite fractals made of stairs. I can't see this as ever being used in something like architecture, or even as usable designs for concept art.
@LexYeen
@LexYeen 4 месяца назад
All machine generated images I've ever seen have made me physically ill. Every last one. I think it's got something to do with the uncanny valley effect.
@jazz-a-lopium8090
@jazz-a-lopium8090 4 месяца назад
Wow, it's almost as if that usage of AI will never replace humans... (have some more ellipses) .................................. .........................................................
@Pazuzu4All
@Pazuzu4All 4 месяца назад
@@mandisaw Exactly. It's all made by "disruptors" who don't understand the field they are disrupting, leading to them making dogshit. I don't fear an AI made by a techbro disruptor. I fear an AI made by someone with a firm understanding of the field they are disrupting and don't care if it hurts their fellow artists.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
@@LexYeen Yup, Uncanny Valley here too. It's like VR - it can't *ever* be widespread, even if the tech improves, b/c humans have different tolerances for it. So just like with metaverse, VR gaming, and industrial AR, AI art in anything consumer-facing is doomed to fail at scale.
@xandermin
@xandermin 4 месяца назад
if i were a sag-aftra member, i'd be deeply concerned by the union leadership making these deals behind my back. imo this is very much grounds for union members to stage a vote of no confidence against the leadership.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
That's not really how this works. The union leadership always makes deals on behalf of the members, that's their role in a representative democracy. Sometimes a union will survey the members to prioritize known/unknown concerns, but for members to say, "we weren't in the room" makes no sense honestly. They will all have a chance to vote on any proposed contract before it's ratified - that is when you express your agreement or not. If they don't like the current national leaders, I'm sure there'll be a leadership vote soon. (SAG-AFTRA rotates pretty frequently, I don't think their terms are that long.)
@Dave-rd6sp
@Dave-rd6sp 4 месяца назад
The part people keep leaving out of the story is that SAG-AFTRA has always made one off deals like this, without "people in the room." It's how the union works and has always worked. The other part people keep leaving out of this story is that it's in line with the deal reached at the end of the strike.
@rolfs2165
@rolfs2165 4 месяца назад
​@@mandisaw But signing such a deal barely half a year after getting all your members on the streets and grinding Hollywood to a halt FOR MONTHS over this exact thing is so incredibly tone deaf, it could star in Sound Of Noise. I'd be surprised if any of the current union leaders get reelected after pulling this stunt.
@JJTheDev
@JJTheDev 4 месяца назад
​@@mandisawthe main reason people are saying "we weren't in the room" is because when the contract was revealed, it was stated that "this decision was voted on by those who would be affected" aka the people who weren't there to vote on it in the first place.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
@@JJTheDev The vote is/will-be among all the members - the [voice] actors in SAG-AFTRA - not the negotiators "in the room". Presumably it's based on the broader terms around AI & acting that they just voted-on a couple months ago. That's why the complaint doesn't make sense, and even Steph's take that it's all shady dealings seems a bit off-base.
@jingbot1071
@jingbot1071 4 месяца назад
TOP TEN SONGS FROM THE MOUNTAIN GOATS: 1. No Children 2. That one they did with Aesop Rock 3. Cubs in Five ... those are the only mountain goats songs I know, I'm sorry.
@Herrikias
@Herrikias 4 месяца назад
In no particular order off the top of my head: Birth of Serpents Black Pear Tree Quito Until I Am Whole Store Prowl Great Cain Romans 10:9 Surrounded Lion's Teeth Song for Dennis Brown PS Confining it to only ten should be considered a crime against humanity.
@jingbot1071
@jingbot1071 4 месяца назад
@@Herrikias I'm usually more of a techno guy, but they're one of my few forays into folk pop type stuff.
@FantomPhenrir18
@FantomPhenrir18 4 месяца назад
Holy shit, the Vicious Sipper unlocked a childhood memory. I had the same straw as a kid
@ysucae
@ysucae 4 месяца назад
what is frustrating is ai is notoriously bad at lateral thinking, image recognition, genuine innovation, coalescing multiple sources of different kinds of data and mediums. it's good for data analysis, respecting sets of rules, statistics, allocating ressources, inputs, oversight... so really it's the wall streets bros and other ghouls pushing this shit on artists. i feel that they're trying to do to us what would logically happen to them. they want us poor and submissive so we can't replace them with genuinely better beings. so they push for less effective uses of AI. also capitalism hates art. obviously.
@klisterklister2367
@klisterklister2367 4 месяца назад
Capitalism loves art as a get out of paying taxes scheme
@Dave-rd6sp
@Dave-rd6sp 4 месяца назад
Wall street bros have been pushing AI research since it began in the 1950's? The conspiracy theory stuff with AI is reaching Q-Anon levels of ridiculousness. The simple truth is that AI simply reached the level of complexity need to perform certain tasks and now people are upset that it can perform those tasks and are lashing out.
@PretendingToBeAHuman
@PretendingToBeAHuman 4 месяца назад
Capitalists can’t have free thinkers running amok inspiring the plebeians to imagine a better world now can they? Better to keep us creatives too exhausted and poor to create.
@huntergrant9690
@huntergrant9690 4 месяца назад
Love the helps old people thing. If you suggested society spend money on care workers or stop exploiting family members to the point where they cannot engage with their elderly loved ones and that would be impossible, but sell them a creepy robot that's the answer.
@Dave-rd6sp
@Dave-rd6sp 4 месяца назад
Not every elderly person has loved ones. I know people who work in hospice and a lot don't or do but they have lives and can't be there 24/7. Robotic caregivers would do so much good for the world, and those won't exist without the AI foundations being laid down now.
@leonarddevir9965
@leonarddevir9965 4 месяца назад
This is very shortsighted. Most care takers would gladly accept a bot that can support them during their duties.
@TheManinBlack9054
@TheManinBlack9054 28 дней назад
​@@leonarddevir9965 they dont care about it being short-sighted, the havent thought about it this far or this long AND they havent thought about any of the people too. Its incredibly shallow.
@AmyDentata
@AmyDentata 4 месяца назад
There is about to be a huge wave of backlash against AI, not just because of exploitation, not just because it does things poorly, but because it's being used for things it *can't actually do*. Self-driving cars can't self-drive. LLMs are gibberish generators, not answer machines. Image generation is best used as one tool in an artists toolbox, like the clone brush, not as a replacement for artists. And so on.
@thrashingputz5163
@thrashingputz5163 4 месяца назад
Yup.
@ZombieApocalypse09
@ZombieApocalypse09 4 месяца назад
A heartfelt thank you from someone inside the tech sector. As awful as it is to watch companies chase these obvious grifts from outside the sector, to be inside software development and have to push back on executives and other developers (who maybe aren't as skeptical as they should be) trying to pivot projects A, B, and C to include the new thing is equally draining. I held the line through the last two AI crazes, the Crypto/blockchain craze, and now back to AI again. It's exhausting, truly. I can't tell you how many hours I've spent in meetings trying to get people to understand the simple realities of one of these crazes so we don't end up spending months/years of dev time and hundreds of thousands of dollars working on something to chase one of these trends. The start of these crazes is always the scariest point when not enough people are being skeptical and the big pronouncements from uninformed media personalities and newspaper articles creates an avalanche of pressure to pursue it. It never seems to matter when I point back to the last handful of crazes they wanted us to chase because the current craze always seems different. So again, a sincere thank you. Keep pushing back on this crap. We need the help.
@nathanguice2417
@nathanguice2417 4 месяца назад
In all fairness to the gift-buyers, it's way easier to buy Godzilla merch than it is to buy you a pinball machine, or find pinball related merch :).
@matthewshiers9038
@matthewshiers9038 4 месяца назад
The other factor when it comes to generative AI - let's assume that _somehow_ someone actually does it ethically, and sources the training data with permission and consent. Who's going to give permission and consent? Only the people who've already made their fortunes and are ready to cash in their old voices, likenesses and talents. Now, let's assume that the tech does what it promises and delivers an excellent substitute for the artist or actor that sold their soul to the machine. This means that fresh talent now has to compete with the spectres of these old retirees. I personally know a couple of people who questioned the choice to cast Will Smith in the movies _I, Robot_ and _I Am Legend_ because they couldn't get over the fact that it was Will Smith, the same guy who starred in comedy films like Wild Wild West, Hancock and Hitch. He just seemed to be everywhere! And while he's a great actor, I don't really want his voice and his likeness to be used over and over well into the 23rd century. Let him be remembered respectfully, and respect the need for new actors and actresses to be given the stage and the spotlight! It's the same for voice actors and artists. There are so many of us, so much talent that deserves to be recognised by people. I have no faith that Generative AI will grant them the compensation required to make their vocations financially viable. Nor will AI allow them to decide where their work's likeness would be used, and where its use would be restricted. Gav from Miracle of Sound made it very clear in his ToS that he doesn't want his music used in support of political protests. I'd have to wonder what Scott Cawthon (developer of Five Nights at Freddy's and donator to Republican political campaigns) would say if his assets were used to produce propaganda to support a liberal agenda. MidJourney is fed a lot of copyright images from Marvel, which often reappears in its output when fed specific prompts, and the US courts (so far) have deemed AI generated arts to be "uncopyrightable" -- Marvel would be furious to know that Captain America's iconic costumes as shown in their movies are suddenly fair game for the whole internet! Here's a demonstration in action by Upper Echelon from a video released just 5 days ago: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wMPGuBQLNBY.htmlfeature=shared&t=613 None of these entities would be fine with their works being used to mass produce assets in their styles that would threaten to become market replacements for their own products and services. The only artists and voice actors who would be fine with their works being used to effectively replace them as employable assets for a company are the ones who have no future for their careers and don't care what happens next. (They also might by young, dumb idiots who have seriously underestimated the value of their talents.) I consider those people who would give their permission and consent, the ones who would willingly make a deal with any company that supports generative AI, to essentially be signing a devil's bargain. They're not just signing over their name and integrity. They're signing away opportunities for their fellows in the industry. So, what are we really getting from these "ethically sourced data sets" for AI companies that operate "above board" as customers? If they're telling the truth, we're most likely getting the talents of people who are no longer in the industry or who probably won't be in the industry for much longer. It would be a service that would only ever produce assets of rapidly depreciating value. It doesn't sound like a sustainable practice. So I guess the only question left to ask is this: How long before the value of generative AI, dependant on ethical above-board contracts to function, returns zero?
@gokuxsephiroth4505
@gokuxsephiroth4505 10 дней назад
Actually, I think you may have cracked the way for us to protest - let's stick AI generated Disney characters on every political poster, every agenda, every small business - EVERYTHING. It'd be illegal to use commercially in a millisecond.
@LicencetoMeme
@LicencetoMeme 4 месяца назад
No one : Ubisoft be like : "You can't be accused of harassement if there's no employees to harass!"
@bleh329
@bleh329 4 месяца назад
Can we please talk about Hank Green displaying enthusiasm for this copyright theft? His last Vlogbros vid attempted to explain that it "doesn't matter" when companies get caught using systems that thieve their sources.
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 4 месяца назад
I've been 1998 godzilla pinball table curious, but I'm not sure I'm brave enough to sip visciously in today's hostile political landscape. Thank(god)fully I have Stephanie's example to look up to.
@HUYI1
@HUYI1 4 месяца назад
is the pinball table available in zen pinball game on PS5? would like to try it ❤
@Alverant
@Alverant 4 месяца назад
Thanks for using the "Too Far" segment of "Beyond the Mind's Eye". I loved that series (well the first two anyway, the thrid and fourth seems to have missed the point). For those wondering, "Beyond the Mind's Eye" was a DVD of early CGI video back when the technology was new and people were still showing the things they could do with it. They took various clips from business presentations, the Lawnmower Man movie, tech demos, and even CBS Saturday Morning Cartoon commercial sign and set it to New Age music. They were sureal videos and fun to watch. IIRC the company made Animusic. But that's for another time.
@YukiKurosame
@YukiKurosame 4 месяца назад
my top ten songs from the mountaingoats are: 1. Autoclave 2. This Year 3. No Children 4. Lovecraft in Brooklyn 5. Rain in Soho 6. Up the Wolves 7. Foreign Object 8. Training Montage 9. Cry for Judas 10. Old College Try yes i did pause the viddo to type this
@medes5597
@medes5597 4 месяца назад
No boombox era? Blasphemy.
@NFM1337
@NFM1337 4 месяца назад
I am in romantic love with you. (edit: not actually. But that was great.)
@gogongagis3395
@gogongagis3395 4 месяца назад
1. The Best Ever Death Metal Band from Denton 2. Golden Boy 3. Picture of My Dress 4. Training Montage 5. Heel Turn 2 6. Rain in SoHo 7. This Year 8. Dance Music 9. Clean Slate 10. Matthew 25:21
@medes5597
@medes5597 4 месяца назад
10. Deianara Crush 9. It's all here in Brownsville 8. Twin Human Highway Flares 7. Going to Georgia 6. Waving At You 5. Palmcorder Yajna 4. Torch Song 3. Source Decay 2. The Recognition Scene 1. Hast Thou Considered The Tetrapod
@Chazzmatazz
@Chazzmatazz 4 месяца назад
The new SAG/AFTRA contract is NOT a victory over the creative workers' threat from AI. It is just a 3 YEAR truce, that serves to allow the tech to (literally) evolve to the point where writers will actually not be necessary at all. Who's going to stop them at that point? Consumers? 😂😂😂
@bondfall0072
@bondfall0072 4 месяца назад
You mean actors right? Sag/Aftra covers actors, not writers.
@devilmikey00
@devilmikey00 4 месяца назад
@@bondfall0072 Yeah, the writers actually got a good deal.
@becuaseimbored3481
@becuaseimbored3481 4 месяца назад
​@devilmikey00 Okay good. Now I don't have to kill myself. Sucks for the actors, though.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 4 месяца назад
@@devilmikey00and there’s many actors speaking out against the contract, but their union leadership stopped listening to their concerns altogether
@Waspinmymind
@Waspinmymind 4 месяца назад
boycotts? If a project or product uses Ai voices without actor consent. We just don’t buy or support it.
@NoirpoolSea
@NoirpoolSea 4 месяца назад
Good use of those 80's laserdisc 3D film shorts that were in such profusion. Many of them had an undeniable creep factor which fits in with your topic. And the switching off of the Pinbot pinball game was lovely. You might want to look at the Aluminum Can industries female robot commercial which was also on those Laserdisc's. I don't think you used that particular one in today's video but the backdrop of the Pinbot game board is a dead ringer for the character in the Aluminum Can video.
@MaterialAmbience
@MaterialAmbience 4 месяца назад
I reckon Starfield was made with 80% AI given how lazy it is, New Atlantis practically looks like something an AI would generate.
@brinewind8732
@brinewind8732 4 месяца назад
Starfield is a product of pure corporate complacency. AI would do a better job, if anything.
@fieryrebirth
@fieryrebirth 4 месяца назад
@@brinewind8732 Well, why else they're all-in on AI? No souls in Silicon Valley to be found.
@brinewind8732
@brinewind8732 4 месяца назад
@@fieryrebirth Nothin' but net. Skynet.
@carlbutcher2268
@carlbutcher2268 4 месяца назад
I feel like I'm in a very awkward "nobody likes me" minority here with my weird take on AI but... I can see the potential of the tech, I can see how it has some genuinely good uses both now and in later stages of its development. I'm a fan of classic Star Trek, I fully love the idea of being able to generate a half decent virtual holodeck envoronment with a few words of prompting rather than needing to learn programming languages and teach yourself an entire second career worth of skills. But I also do hate how it's actually being used to lay off a lot of people- and for some reason, the people doing the "fun" creative jobs, rather than setting it to work on sorting our recycling or unblocking sewers I think, ultimately, the problem isn't so much with the tech as it is with the fact we're still holding to the obsolete mindset that people should have to work in order to be allowed to eat and live somewhere with a roof. Most emerging technologies (and, in fact, almost every major worthwhile innovation) is fundamentally incompatible with this. And that's what I'm angry about. We could have- we *should* have- a world where developing AI is welcomed with fanfare and open arms because it saves us from our awful jobs. Instead, we meet it with dread, because *we* need the money it puts back in the pockets of our feudal lords.
@flurglhinge3051
@flurglhinge3051 4 месяца назад
Yeah, between the long shot that is regulating AI and the no-hoper of dismantling capitalism, I'll bet on the horse that still has four legs
@gokuxsephiroth4505
@gokuxsephiroth4505 10 дней назад
"I love the idea of being able to generate a half decent virtual holodeck envoronment with a few words of prompting rather than needing to learn programming languages and teach yourself an entire second career worth of skills." Someone could do that for you, bro. Especially for either food or money
@macfrommage949
@macfrommage949 4 месяца назад
Once again spot on. You make Mondays bearable.
@greed-1914
@greed-1914 4 месяца назад
It gets me just how blatant the use of other's work is with AI. I see ads for AI "services" and they are just straight up characters from things like My Hero Academia.
@Ramsey276one
@Ramsey276one 4 месяца назад
AI Remix The GoT White kind in a Pink business suit sitting in 60s living room AI makes cheap ads a bit more bearable... And recognizable to scroll past them quick and easy! 13:10 XD
@scott8919
@scott8919 4 месяца назад
I want Steph to read quotes for now on in the voice of Fran. That was hilarious.
@CornishCreamtea07
@CornishCreamtea07 4 месяца назад
The Mario face from the Mario 64 startup screen, was better animated than that. And that was made on a silicon graphics workstation in the 90s.
@JimiSparx-yw3gb
@JimiSparx-yw3gb 4 месяца назад
I'm FAR more impressed with "The Machine - Bride of PinBot" than I am with Godzilla. Just saying.
@bondfall0072
@bondfall0072 4 месяца назад
Because its a classic or because it's actually good?
@TheGerkuman
@TheGerkuman 4 месяца назад
​@@bondfall0072it's legitimately fun to play, at least from the emulation I played. (Which is not the same, but in general the emulations tend to not be as good as the originals)
@samtinkle9076
@samtinkle9076 4 месяца назад
The fact that it turned on near the end of the episode - y'know, a pinball about a humanoid robot turning completely human and back again - was just so fitting
@JimiSparx-yw3gb
@JimiSparx-yw3gb 4 месяца назад
@@bondfall0072 That was my GO TO table! That and "Attack from Mars" and "Revenge from Mars".
@bondfall0072
@bondfall0072 4 месяца назад
@@JimiSparx-yw3gb ive played an actual version at an arcade. It's so weird, the way she looks at you dead in the eye as you fire a ball into her mouth.
@jamesrule1338
@jamesrule1338 4 месяца назад
Never heard an honest man use the word legit. Or ethical, it seems.
@mildlydazed9608
@mildlydazed9608 4 месяца назад
Liars tend to lean towards the phrases "believe me" or "to be honest"
@JediMB
@JediMB 4 месяца назад
3:05: Snake oil, because no one wants an unoiled snake!
@jamesrule1338
@jamesrule1338 4 месяца назад
The number of times a day I get told to grease up the snake...
@alejandrocarralero2826
@alejandrocarralero2826 4 месяца назад
Remember when automation was all about humans being able to do less work and focus more on artistic pursuits and now it seems automation is all about taking over human artistic pursuits so we can work more
@leejackson3268
@leejackson3268 4 месяца назад
that was always a communist fairytale, not everyone wanted to make art
@1snico1
@1snico1 4 месяца назад
Oh man I love the sneaky inclusion of Billy Mitchell!! Brilliant.
@theswordidtruth
@theswordidtruth 4 месяца назад
"Lion's Teeth", "This Year", "Dark In Here"... No, wait, come back! I have 7 more Mountain Goats songs I have an excuse to force people to hear the names of! (No cap though, Lion's Teeth is so good.)
@scott8919
@scott8919 4 месяца назад
The idea of them pushing ahead for AI RIGHT AFTER having a huge protest against it is pure hypocricy.
@Canadamus_Prime
@Canadamus_Prime 4 месяца назад
Is anyone else starting to feel like we're living in some kind of dystopia? 'Cause I am.
@LON009
@LON009 4 месяца назад
Yes, and long before the pandemic.
@wendyheatherwood
@wendyheatherwood 4 месяца назад
Starting to?
@flurglhinge3051
@flurglhinge3051 4 месяца назад
I'm old enough to remember the Bush admin locking anti-war protesters in cages and Occupy Wall Street getting their heads kicked in, so...
@wynngwynn
@wynngwynn 4 месяца назад
What's funny about the AI art bros is they think they do amazing work with their word prompts but every single piece they churn out looks objectively worse than RL artists' work. They're just not artists so they don't realize how fucked the ai art is lol.
@BiancaXBoom
@BiancaXBoom 4 месяца назад
Sorry but i know many ai works that definetly look better than whatever some undergrad art-students shit out. AI art is not generally worse and "real" artists aren't generally better. But i guess you are just the single master when it comes to how to appreciate true art...
@NaudVanDalen
@NaudVanDalen 4 месяца назад
Depends on the artist.
@minhuang8848
@minhuang8848 4 месяца назад
what's funny is that you are just assuming that you know what is AI artwork and what isn't which is reinforced by all the hate surrounding generative anything, why on earth would anyone bother telling people they commissioned a model when it pretty much exclusively results in (often pretty nonsensical) backlash? And I mean, regardless of where you're positioned in that debate, that point is going to be moot soon enough when people get more granular control over the results, something that is already happening on a pretty wide scale. And I mean... artists don't realize how garbage their art is. It's always the sonic fanfic writers complaining about their alleged jobs being taken away, and then you realize that most people are truly awful at, say, anatomy. Ask accomplished painters to draw hands and have a look at the results. What's really funny is that the AI bros are still the people who will be employed at the end of the day (as long as employment remains a thing, that is) on account of a bunch of them learning how to virtually accomplish the same thing at 100x efficiency, and that's always what factored into creative jobs. It's not even like the final product will suffer for it, it's more that the 95% of trailing garbage we ALWAYS had in all media is going to get a glow-up in terms of resources to allocate - which are zero for any kind of indie filmmaker, writer, or developer. Meh, I get the hype skepticism and even the thoroughly silly "it's just turbo plagiarism"-arguments that are still so incredibly lame on account of how wrong they are... but beyond that I just really don't care about people complaining that they're being robbed of a job that can, after all, be replaced - without requiring anyone's likeness or aggregated works either. It's still the same demand people made way back whenever some minor revolution allowed for mass-producing a given product. And the entire industry leveraging "AI" is not exactly going to survive long enough to really skew the landscape either, any and everyone is getting "replaced" as long as it is feasible enough and doesn't hinge on you lending the final product your human soul, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
​@@BiancaXBoom That's the point - it's inconsistent and "mid". GenAI is basically overpriced Fiverr art.
@NaudVanDalen
@NaudVanDalen 4 месяца назад
@@minhuang8848 Fan artists: "AI is plagiarism!" Ironic. When I create some random image for fun, that image can't be plagiarizing anyone unless I specifically ask it to generate copyrighted things.
@neithermanc1
@neithermanc1 4 месяца назад
that spit take transition was amazing
@ForestFWhite
@ForestFWhite 4 месяца назад
2 second scorpions reference hits hard (not as hard as disapproving barbarian, of course) ... lord, I am aged.
@UlshaRS
@UlshaRS 4 месяца назад
Seeing panicky BoomX articles about how AI is going to cause massive job losses. 😂 This is going to be the biggest bubble burst ever as it takes all those tech bros with it. The workers won't tolerate, the consumers are rejecting it, and even the AI is starting to tell coders and execs to get bent sideways.
@joes-jv9hk
@joes-jv9hk 4 месяца назад
I feel you, I took my girlfriend to see Godzilla minus one and she got me the Godzilla 1998 soundtrack for christmas. It has an incredible remix of Brain Stew by Green Day, just look up Brain Stew - The Godzilla remix
@onikoneko
@onikoneko 4 месяца назад
THE BILLY MITCHELL CAMEO DURING 'SAFE TRUSTY ETHICS' MADE ME SPIT WATER ON MY KEYBOARD
@Lectrikfro
@Lectrikfro 4 месяца назад
Wow, I had 3 of the Mind's Eye tapes back when I was a teenager.... Now I have to go see if I can find a good source to watch them again
@Metalisalearning77
@Metalisalearning77 4 месяца назад
This may interest you in a massive flaw with AI Art; was at my D&D Session & a player told me of a flaw that may cause it to implode. "Inbreeding" which is where AI Art ends up copying from other AI Art
@herrschneider5310
@herrschneider5310 4 месяца назад
totally! let that go on for a few years and we'll have the equivalent to european aristocrats developing weak chins and birth defects
@SpoopySquid
@SpoopySquid 4 месяца назад
Bold of you to think the corporations who own the AI give a damn
@evanchismark3092
@evanchismark3092 4 месяца назад
I think I've heard of that scenario being referred to as model collapse. The question is how long do we have to wait for it to happen?
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
​​@@evanchismark3092Already happens, there's at least one paper I heard referenced that looked at how math degrades in later GPT generations. Keep in mind that these models don't calculate, they *predict*, so it's like having Word autocorrect do your math problems. "2 + 2 = 4" is a common phrase, so it's reliably reproduced, but "8.9382 * 0.62937" is not.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
Found the paper, it's Chen, Zaharia, Zou (2023), out of Stanford [arXiv:2307.09009v3]. It hit the news wires last May/June, so you can find some lay summaries online from Forbes, et al then.
@SRHtheHedgehog
@SRHtheHedgehog 4 месяца назад
The stupid thing about all this is that AI art and generation are great tools to foster your own creativity; i use chatbots to roleplay to help flesh out my characters for my writing, and i know a bunch of people that generate images of dolls as inspiration for outfits they want to make for performing in or how they might want to customize their own dolls for their own use. But they don't market this stuff for that, because that wouldn't make people money. I honestly get so pissed off at the people that argue that actually you can sell stuff you "make" with AI and that actually it's totally ethical because no, it isn't.
@General-RADIX
@General-RADIX 4 месяца назад
One bad take that sticks with me--and, gallingly, this came from an actual artist--is that artists got "complacent" in thinking our skills couldn't be machine-replicated. Like we're the privileged elite withholding our trade secrets from the masses, or some shit. Meanwhile, I've been yelled at by entitled freebooters and have had at least one client just up and ghost me after I finished a commission. But sure, I'm the "arrogant" one for not wanting to be devalued even further.
@itcouldbelupus2842
@itcouldbelupus2842 4 месяца назад
People who can't be artists are often bitter and resentful of those who can
@morganelliott6165
@morganelliott6165 4 месяца назад
I made the joke in a group chat that AI is tech bro tarot cards, but tech bros are also capitalists who think the free market makes the best ideas, so of course they think something that tells them what they want to hear is the highest form of intelligence.
@csmadisun
@csmadisun 4 месяца назад
I motion that we stop refering to it as AI and instead call it what it is - Generative Algorithmic Content. So whenever anyone does call it AI, you can just go "Oh, you mean GAC?"
@slatodotnet
@slatodotnet 4 месяца назад
2:37 I 100% beat Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine this week on the hardest difficulty. 10/10 game honestly.
@ASpaceOstrich
@ASpaceOstrich 4 месяца назад
afaik the concept the mario thing was proving was the hologram display itself and how it'd potentially be used to create virtual assistants in places like shopping centres. The AI was part of the display, but the thing they're actually showing off is the hologram.
@FTZPLTC
@FTZPLTC 4 месяца назад
My favourite illustration of why AI won't benefit games was some article getting all breathless and excited about the fact that an ingame NPC could talk to them about its ramen noodles. I didn't see the tech in action, so maybe it was the most realistic and non-robotic thing ever... but it still completely missed the point of *why* there are NPCs in games. Given what we've seen with AI so far, I just imagine a game with an NPC that sends the player on some generic fetchquest... which the AI has made up or "hallucinated" and doesn't actually exist in the game.
@rherydrevins
@rherydrevins 4 месяца назад
Reminder: AI is being forced so hard by its backers into the creative fields because at its current level of sophistication, it cannot be trusted to do anything requiring more precision or objectivity (see: how ChatGPT has a disclaimer telling you not to trust its output, because even when it is "hallucinating", it is functioning exactly as designed), and they are chasing the fastest way to realise a return on their investment. Wasn't the future promised to us that robots would be doing the drudge work, while humans would be able to turn our minds to the pursuit of leisure and nobler things, like art? Turns out, it's easier for AI to turn out simulacra of art than anything else, so the capitalists are going to snatch that away for themselves as well.
@stephen2624
@stephen2624 4 месяца назад
Corporations will blow more than they should for the hopes paying voice actors and developers less money or not pay them at all.
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
They'll spend $1000 to save $300 😢 Compute resources, API service fees, training data storage, and the costs of creating new models on a frequent basis - to get work that aspires to reach the level of a brand-new intern. I stopped worrying about AI when I realized that humans are cheaper. 😅
@mekingtiger9095
@mekingtiger9095 4 месяца назад
@@mandisaw Yeah, this is something I've been wondering about for a while: What are the logistics required to maintain such LLMs functioning, operational and constantly updated on a wide scale? One thing that I know for sure is that for all the raw processing capacity computers have, they are *VERY* energy inefficient compared to human brains...
@mandisaw
@mandisaw 4 месяца назад
@@mekingtiger9095 Most costs are in "Call us for a quote" enterprise-only territory. Machine-learning (incl reinforcement & LLMs/generative AI) in particular is a very resource-intensive approach, since you need very-parallel high-performance computing, with Cloud architects to design & adapt/adjust your system to your needs. Most places don't do it on-premises, they pay for Cloud systems, so that's generally always-on pay-per-second, not pay-per-use. The math only works out if you're using a shared model, that someone else paid to train & maintain, using "free" data, to make expensive products, and never have any sort of security leak or legal issue on your end that would add even more costs. And you'd have to hope that the shared-model does exactly what you need to do, without paying for more engineers to tweak it on your side.
@fieryrebirth
@fieryrebirth 4 месяца назад
It's no secret that since the pandemic and the rise of worker unions, corporate had been expressing a greater disdain toward the working class AND consumers.
@onikoneko
@onikoneko 4 месяца назад
Something not covered in the video: AI is just as devastating to the environment as nfts are. A single AI image uses up absurd amounts of processing power to create, to the point that all those nft-farms are being converted to AI farms to try and sustain it.
@MajorMokoto
@MajorMokoto 4 месяца назад
Pretty much you can sum up anything that is being called "AI" right now as the exact same garbage of things they just last week called "smart devices".
@blackestyang7528
@blackestyang7528 4 месяца назад
can we just appreciate how we're using technology to wreck meaningful careers instead of menial jobs nobody wants to do
@mekingtiger9095
@mekingtiger9095 4 месяца назад
It'll never not be "amazing" (ironically, of course).
@savannah2179
@savannah2179 4 месяца назад
that new intro is great!
@dannolte5384
@dannolte5384 4 месяца назад
"MMM-pfft!" That was hilarious to me.😆
@TheGreatLKHS
@TheGreatLKHS 4 месяца назад
The new Netflix movie, "Lift", opens with the theft of an NFT auction, valued at $20 million. I thought to myself, "If anyone is still playing millions of dollars for NFTs, then that person deserves to be robbed." 😂
@loorthedarkelf8353
@loorthedarkelf8353 4 месяца назад
Hey Stephanie, if someone who does fiberwork ( crochet, in my case ) wanted to make something for you, what would you want the item to be?
@Benu54321
@Benu54321 4 месяца назад
Probably something Godzilla related.
@loorthedarkelf8353
@loorthedarkelf8353 4 месяца назад
​@@Benu54321 lol I was thinking a Frog Bag to go with her Frog Purse, trying to match their glorious They Them non-binary finery hat
@Venatius
@Venatius 4 месяца назад
Oh damn, got some Mind's Eye clips in there. Nothing to add, I just love those videos.
@calvinnguyen1870
@calvinnguyen1870 4 месяца назад
It’s telling that a lot of the twitter accounts of techbros shilling AI are the same people who were shilling NFTs a few years ago
@vvitch-mist20
@vvitch-mist20 4 месяца назад
This just proves that people's issue with AI isn't that a machine made it, it's that companies who use and make AI don't have any interest in pulling from the public domain. I don't think there would be push back if these people respected the creative process, and respected artists. Like the whole thing screams that they have the ability to care, but don't.
@lizabee484
@lizabee484 4 месяца назад
It will never surprise me that tech bros and many of the most wealthy are fans of AI, because they’ve always been fans of plagiarism. I mean, a lot of them who went to uni in the U.S. were members of fraternities and sororities. And you know what a lot of Greek organizations have? Essay banks (allegedly). None of this shocks me, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t sadden or anger me.
@marcushead9985
@marcushead9985 4 месяца назад
I actually just unlocked a memory from...it would have to be over 20 years ago. Listening to the radio, a segment about advances in computing included fully-computer-generated music, how wondrous, and here, listen to this, it's a computer's best attempt at a new Beethoven piece! ...and it sounded like a chaotic mashup of the most famous Beethoven pieces. Generative machine learning is never going to improve. It is always just going to be a ripoff machine.
@modelmajorpita
@modelmajorpita 4 месяца назад
It's particularly frustrating because LLMs are already failing and exposing the "AI" scam. Stuff like Chatgpt only "works" when the inputs are carefully controlled by the dev team. Simply by allowing the public to use it, with no changes to the backend, Chatgpt has become increasingly less useful and shitty to such a degree that there have been news stories about it for months. Once the programs start "learning" from the public interacting with them instead of just from data stolen from other places, they start to break.
@itcouldbelupus2842
@itcouldbelupus2842 4 месяца назад
Stupid people train stupid machines to be more stupid. Who woulda thunk.
4 месяца назад
Like button pressed. Now, to watch the video.
@jingbot1071
@jingbot1071 4 месяца назад
This is the proper order of operations.
4 месяца назад
@@jingbot1071 This is the Way.
@Draekal
@Draekal 4 месяца назад
+20 points for using Beyond the Minds Eye music videos :3
@thejackal007
@thejackal007 4 месяца назад
5:16 .... where do you find these old adverts?
@Harlez
@Harlez 4 месяца назад
Can't wait for you to guest on Tech Won't Save Us pod to talk about the industry.
@incineroar9933
@incineroar9933 4 месяца назад
Goddamn those are some hot pinball machines.🥵
@glowerworm
@glowerworm 4 месяца назад
It's socialism for the rich, capitalism for the rest, as always. Before capitalism, human creativity was largely cumulative, a mass human-organized product. Homer's odyssey was a remix of all the common tales, a collage. Capitalism in America introduced copyright, pretending that all works of art are wholly independent of any influence so that they could be sold for cash and be connected to the individual and not the collective. Now with AI, which are trained entirely using the cumulative process, are being used to create art, but now all these artists who rely on the copyright system are rightfully worried about their income, and the wealthy corporations who own the AI are suddenly saying "what's yours is -mine- ours".
@wingdairu
@wingdairu 4 месяца назад
Bride of Pin-Bot starts piping up and the only response is to just switch it off. Kind of a metaphor for the whole situation, isn't it?
@ProsperTipaldi
@ProsperTipaldi 4 месяца назад
Thanks so much for the support Steph. 💜 The last year and a half has been a nightmare for creatives of all kinds. Feels good to hear some sense in all this.
@maxgrieve
@maxgrieve 4 месяца назад
Again: the difference between this AI trend and the previous nonsense around NFTs and crypto is one of genuine utility. No, AI won't be able to do everything, as evangelists claim - but it's capable of doing enough stuff on a background level for corporations to push the tech into any crack where it sufficiently fits to scrape a few savings. We are already past the thin end of the wedge. The Finals, for example, uses TTS for its arena commentators - and it's not flawless, but it's passable enough that few people who are concentrating on the gameplay will have noticed. Apparently that model was trained using consenting VAs, likely contacted independently, who are not accountable to other VAs in the way union leaderships are accountable to their members. I don't know the ins and outs of the SAG-AFTRA deal, or how they do/should handle their comms, but if unions don't get involved in regulating and contracting pretty damn sharpish then other parties (ie corporations) will be the ones setting all the precedents.
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