The Ablative Case - For Conlangers 

In Finnish the stress is always on the first syllable, and you didn't adhere to that. But useful video.

Thank you so much for sharing! I believe another commenter said that the Balto-Slavic ablative was absorbed into the Genitive, which makes sense... Maybe a major factor of case loss (without any phonological havoc) is having a case that can absorb so many other functions, like an ablative or dative case... However, German still has a functioning case system even though cases like the instrumental and ablative were absorbed into the dative, so I guess the theory doesn't quite hold up... Thanks for the information! I knew that a big factor in the loss of case endings in the Romance languages was sound change, but I didn't know that the ablative case was such a large part of it too! Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching!

Wow! Thank you so much! That means a lot! I'm always excited to make content about conlanging or other language-related stuff, so it means a lot that you got some value out of it! Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching!

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Wow! That's certainly a feat to learn Hungarian! I definitely think that language is a great example of the sheer variety of grammatical cases a language can have (and as you said how there's certainly a gradient between cases and adpositions, especially spatial ones)! I also think it's interesting how Latin uses the Ablative/Accusative + prepositions to convey a more nuanced meaning! It's kind of hard as a native English speaker to imagine how that interplay between cases/adpositions happens naturally, but I think I kind of get it... Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!

Thank you so much! That's a great suggestion! I will definitely add it to my recording plan! (I'm currently planning some Old English content for the immediate future, but I hope to go back to conlanging stuff here in a little bit) I love those kinds of ideas because it lets me research for my own constructed languages! I really like obscure cases like the Temporal and Perlative, so I'm excited to delve deep into that kind of grammar...Thanks for the comment! Thanks for watching!

Wow! I actually didn't know Polish had noun cases! Today I learned! I would have thought if a language had 7 cases at least one of them would be the Ablative! I guess probably prepositions, the Locative case, or the Genitive case would absorb its functions... I might have to do some research on the language! Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching!

​@@ParchmentLore Nearly all Slavic languages have noun cases: - Bulgarian and Macedonian only have the nominative and vocative. Often, the vocative isn't counted as a separate case, but as a "form". - Russian has the nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, instrumental and prepositional, although various other minor cases exist, like the vocative, partitive, caritive and locative, each only existing for a handful of nouns. - Slovene and Belorussian have the nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, instrumental and locative. - Sorbian, Polish, Czech, Slovak, Serbo-Croatian and Ukrainian have the nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, instrumental, locative and vocative. They don't have an ablative case because in the development of Proto-Balto-Slavic, the Proto-Indo-European genitive and ablative merged.

​​@@ParchmentLore Every slavic language has between 6 and 7 cases except for Bulgarian, Macedonian and the Torlak dialects of Serbo-Croatian which are part of the South Slavic dialect continuum so they're influenced by both standard Serbo-Croatian/Shtokavian and Bulgarian and so Torlakian dialects have around 1 to 3 cases usually, more than Bulgarian, but less than any other Slavic language.

@@madmasseur6422 How interesting! I didn't know that there was such a variety in the number of case endings in the Slavic languages! Thanks for sharing!

@@ParchmentLore Always :) but as far aa I'm aware they're the only ones who have such a drastic drop in cases. All the other Slavic languages have around 7, even slavic langauges that are spoken in countries which use languages without cases

Ha! Thank you so much! I appreciate that! This video took me, like, weeks to make, so I definitely need to figure out how to streamline the process before I pick up another one like this! I love conlangs and conlanging, so I'll definitely be making more content about them in the future! I'm glad the video helped! I certainly learned a lot from doing the research for it... Thanks for watching!

Thanks for the suggestion! I'm working through my video suggestions as part of a new series, so I'll definitely be sure to add more videos about grammatical cases! I'm really glad the video was helpful for your conlang! I learned a lot from the research for this episode, although now I'm afraid I'll put the Ablative case into all of my conlangs now, lol! Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching!

Wow! Thank you so much for sharing and taking the time to write this out! This is awesome! I really appreciate this! I know nothing about Maori, so it's really cool to see how the language functions! Everything about the word "i" is really interesting! First, that's neat to see that it functions as sort of a partitive/direct object marker! I know that a lot of times words like "to" become accusative cases (to mark the direct object), but I've never really thought about words like "from" evolving into the same function! So I guess the distinction between the three sentences is: Ka inu au i te wai (There is a predefined set of water and it is being directly affected by the drinking since that would be a physical action that deletes it's supply... You are literally taking "from" the water...) Ka hiahia au ki te wai ("i" is not used because there is no effect on the water whether someone wishes for it or not, so nothing is done to the water...) Ka inu wai au (This is like Nahuatl noun incorporation where the focus is on the verb "inu" instead of the object of the verb? So like "I waterdrink" or "I sleepwalk"? Therefore "i" wouldn't be used since the focus isn't on the direct object?) All of this is super interesting so far! "Atu" seems similar to the Latin "ab" meaning "away from", but I guess the Maori word doesn't have that "from" connotation... I can definitely see the connection between ""I go out to the house" and "I go away to the house"! That's also interesting that the "ake/iho...i" constructions are similar to the Latin Ablative of Comparison! So something like "Hone is tall up from Ngaio" or "Ngaio is short down from Hone"? That's interesting how in Maori the prepositions "upwards/downwards" are added in that construction when in Latin the Ablative alone suffices! I wonder if those words had some sort of emphatic meaning that was eroded until they were required in that construction? Also, I find it cool how "i" is used as a past locative! I don't know of many languages that make the distinction between a past/present locative! Super interesting! I wonder how that came about! I guess its use as a past tense marker is similar to the French "venir de"! So something like "Wiremu (is) from walking" becomes "Wiremu walked"... All if this is incredibly interesting! Thank you so much again for sharing! This inspires me to learn more about Maori! I feel like I can already speak the language lol! :)

Ha! Sounds like you're speaking from experience lol! Same process with me! Through researching this video I feel like the Ablative case is the easiest Latin case for me now (except probably the Nominative of course)! Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching!

Thanks for the support! I appreciate the stamp of approval from a fellow Latin enthusiast! Thanks for watching!

Thank you so much for sharing! That's some conlang inspiration! I don't know much about German, but I know in Old English the Dative absorbed a lot of the functions of the historical Ablative too (from what you said Old English is the same as German in terms of the use of Accusative/Dative with prepositions)! Similarly, the Old English "mid" (with) is used with the Dative, but I'm not sure if it means "by means of".... Yeah, exceptions are the bane of the language learner/linguist lol! Thanks again for the comment, and thanks for watching! :)

@@ParchmentLore Further fun fact, since you used that word: bane is cognate to the -fend- in defendere

Thank you so much, that means a lot! Those are definitely the qualities I'm trying to aim for with this channel! I'm really glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for the support, and thanks for watching!

Thank you! I'll add that to my video ideas list! I'll see how many I can get done before RU-vid isn't a thing anymore lol (assuming you mean a video per case, if not then I think that's a wonderful idea too: A Summary of All Grammatical Cases in 20 Minutes...)! I learned a whole lot about the Ablative case through this video, so I'm definitely up for making a series talking about different grammatical cases! As I said in another comment, this video took a few weeks to make, but I think I've found a way to streamline the process so it'll go faster! Hopefully the video helped you with a conlang/language-learning! Thanks for the suggestion, and thanks for watching!

Ha! It definitely took a lot of research for me to wrap my head around it too! (I pretty much had to look at it from the linguistics side after the "yeah, this case does a lot of different things" information I got from learning Latin!) Thanks for watching!

Thank you! I really appreciate that! I agree that the Ablative has to be the most difficult noun case! It has so many meanings lol! I'm excited to make more videos like this! Thanks for the support, and thanks for watching!

Thank you so much! This video actually took me a few weeks to make, so I really appreciate the support! It took wayyyy longer than it should have, but I sure learned a lot about the Ablative case! Thanks for watching!

Thank you so much! Even though I know the the technicalities of how it's supposed to be pronounced, sometimes I can't get a good take of saying a whole sentence without issue lol... I'm glad you thought it was great! Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it! Thanks for watching!

Thank you so much for subscribing! I really appreciate the support! I definitely try to keep kind of a cohesive art style, but I'm hoping to make things more interesting in subsequent videos! I'm not a super technical person, so I apologize if I misunderstood, but are you talking about the thumbnail looking sort of 3D through the blurry/fuzziness in the middle? One possibility is that I added a lot of effects to the text in Photoshop (and dodged the background behind the text to make it stand out more), and didn't add as many effects to the arrows... Maybe that's the cause for the fuzzy-3D look in the blurrier region but a more 2d look in the outskirts of the picture? I don't think I compressed the image any more than usual, but like I said I'm certainly no digital art genius lol! I'm more suited for conlangs and linguistics! I feel like I kind of get what you mean, but I've stared at that thing for too long when I was making it and now it's kind of hard to look at it from a different point of view! However, I just checked, and I will say it does look different on mobile... I think I see what you mean! If you had any more questions I'd definitely be happy to answer them! Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching!

That means a lot! Thank you so much! When I have a million subs, I'll remember this comment lol... Thanks for the inspiration! Made my day!

Where is it going?!??!?! All these questions and MORE will be answered in TODAY'S video!!!! :)

Awesome! I wanted to delve into the uses of the case in Albanian (and a little bit more in Turkish), but I was running out of time and I felt that they had most of the same uses as in Latin/Finnish... Are there any interesting ways the Ablative case is used in Albanian? I'm not familiar with the language! Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching!

@@ParchmentLore Albanian generally uses the Dative form of a noun and the preposition "prej" (meaning from), like, qyteti (city): qyteti (nominative) qytetit (dative) prej qytetit (ablative) Nothing I can tell that's truly unique about Albanian ablative.

​@@dionnix Ah, I see! Well, that's interesting! Thanks for sharing! From some basic research I guess it's basically identical to the Dative except for when the noun is in the indefinite plural, so it makes sense that it might need some backup from a preposition like "prej" in order to not be too ambiguous I guess! Thanks for the conlang inspiration, and thanks for the comment!

Thank you! I tried listen with the speed 0.75, but it feels too overly stressed, then. Please leave in natural breathing pauses. It makes it easier to "digest".

Thank you! Slower, and with natural breathing pauses, please!

@@mariiris1403 Those examples just rush by without any time to take them in or understand. It makes the whole video performative and that's not something I waste my time on.

@@blechtic Yes, I agree.