I know I'm wanting to build one. Kinda seems like it puts a Katwalk to shame.. will have to see! I will be streaming on twitch tonight with the Beyond! Come in and stop by! www.twitch.tv/thrilluwu Also Hop into the discord! Discord.gg/Thrill
If there was one flatscreen game (console, PC, mobile, etc) that's you'd want to see in VR what would it be (it cant be games that can be modded into vr like some resident evil games and Half Life 2 or something) *btw i've asked this SO MANY TIMES!*
Honestly I can see that exo-suit being used for physiotherapy, rehab and exercise for the elderly. It can mimic normal movements while adding gentle resistance, I like that.
We originally developed it for schools, so classes of kids could all get in Vr together with no clashes. We're interested in the medical applications too but we need the VR community of gamers and devs to get behind us first
@@WillieWinkler NASA could also probably use something like it. That giant pool they use to simulate floating around the ISS looks pretty expensive to maintain.
@@WillieWinkler I do have one comment. Having your full weight supported on one small post directly underneath you could be hazardous. If you're a big guy and you're wiggling around on that thing vigorously, I could see a potential problem.
@@Vaeldarg well I figure that being suspended is not quite the same as being weightless, though, so I'm guessing it would only check half the training boxes that a pool accomplishes via bouyancy... Still an interesting point though 🤔
Not to be a downer, but it does not seem like true full immersion. Yes, you can't bend over backwards but you can definitely fall or lie on your back or your front, does not seem like that is included with this kind of setup as your central point is fixed and you're sort of sitting on it?
@@SnakeHelah full immersion is simply impossible without a cable sending video signals directly to your brain. Even the most advanced vr setups will always limit you in your range of movement in some way, not only that but there is an inherent risk to having force feedback cause it has the potential to hurt people if calibrated and programmed badly. We must make do with what we have I fear.
@@fedyx1544 true but I feel like this type of VR will not be possible until we're actually at the stage where humans are replacing body parts with cybernetics or something. I mean, the sophistication of such a device would mean it probably costs billions of dollars as emulating games or experiences inside your own brain sounds like pure science fiction. The only thing I'm envisioning that's feasible is some kind of manipulation that lulls your brain into a dream-like state, but you're awake enough to control it or something.
@@SnakeHelah That's some really comprehensive insight! I meant that this is most likely the foundational stage of an iterative prototyping process that will then incorporate various human-machine interfaces along the way. Also, open-sourcing hardware is an absolute must for any type of collaborative action to occur, so it has to start somewhere rudimentary.
I'm glad there was more to the Exit Suit story! The information I saw on their youtube was so limited, so it would be awesome if you could get in contact with them, or even build and review their rig designs!
Thanks for commenting to tell him about it man! I don't have enough time to look up stuff like that constantly, so I use these videos to keep myself somewhat up-to-date on cool new shit. Appreciate you bro!
@@RefrigeratedTP No problem man. I can't wait for the next big breakthroughs in VR myself, so I hope I brought more attention to something that was almost buried by metaverse news saturation.
As a sufferer of psoriatic arthritis of the spine and a huge VR fan, I absolutely can't wait for this! I'm hoping this or something like this can hold me up to play VR when my own spine can no longer do it!
You got any people around you who can make stuff with you? CNC cutting plywood and assembly of parts. Nothing complicated. We really need people like you to take this forward into medi applications.
@@WillieWinkler from my heart, thanks for the great work you have done, and thanks for being generous to open source it like that, I hope you keep up the great work and hope you a very bright future ^_^
Yeah, there are/were so many companies pulling in different directions, all competing with each other yet not coming up with any affordable and versatile immersive haptic suit to make VR catch on to a wider audience and grow the industry.
@@kristinaF54 I think the game side still needs work. Almost all of the games and vr experiences are just glorified tech demos. We’ll need full fledged worlds to explore to be truly immersed. More games like no man’s sky would be perfect.
@@bruhmoment7424 personally I just want a way to walk around in Skyrim VR and stuff, I think if devs focused on the physical interactivity and smoothness of the engines above graphics for the time being it would go a long way for developing longer game experiences
That exit suit is what I always imagined a vr body suit would be, but always thought it must not work since everyone was focused on treadmills instead. Nice to know that other options are being explored.
Only ever saw one other serious attempt at this sort of thing by a small startup that disappeared I think, they had a very elaborate setup by comparison though
I've been pitching this kind of hardware to my friends for a while, this is the first that does something similar to full body force feedback. Something I personally believe is necessary for immersion in vr.
You definitely need to build an exit suit. I'd watch the 40 minute series on your progress and eventual full review. It's incredible. It being open source is even more amazing.
I'd really like to see actual measurements of the beyond's FOV. The stated FOV is honestly painful, given how good everything else is, but you mentioned in the first video about it that you've measured it higher, so I'd be interested to get more concrete numbers on what to expect.
Definitely this. Almost everywhere you look unfortunately everyone is immediately dismissing the Beyond because of the FOV. I'm used to the Quest 2 so if it's comparable the way I hear it is, then I can get down with it.
Oh wow. The Exit Suit is exactly the something I have been looking for to get back into VR since I injured my lower spine a few years ago. It would allow limited stand users like myself to actually get into, or back into, the VR space and play with our friends. Super excited to watch this project.
Hey I’ve been wondering if you’d do a video on the wood rig! Saw it way back and have been following its creation! Glad to see it getting some much deserved attention ❤ Edit: Funny to see my insta comments in the video XD.
I feel that even if you were going to, you should test it with Echo VR because even if the game is shutting down, I still think it’s a good benchmark to test.
Oh hell yeah. Thanks for sharing this. I'm in the process of configuring full body and this fits the bill for both that and future android/robotics ventures ive got planned for the next couple years. I'll have to build this. I bet itd look even cooler in carbon fiber 😍 Open source ftw!
For the suit, try getting the cable running through the center like a front brake on a bmx bike and you won't have it getting tangled with your arms and legs. Great video!
While I am still quite the newb to VR, only about 6 to 8 months, the Exit Suit appears to be something that would make VR even better. I still only have a room scale without full body tracking sensors at the moment, but am very interested in full body tracking and look forward to using something like a "Player One" setup that can create that more immersive experience.
Could you test the Beyond for sleeping in VR? I always found the quest 2 too heavy/bulky for sleeping (especially because I roll a bit), but I'd still love to be able to fall asleep in some distant alien world
Great video Thrill! I got into VR the first week of Covid due to movie theaters closing. I’m a filmmaker and I generally go there the theaters once a week if I can. When I heard you could go to the movies in VR, I jumped on the VR train that same day. I now feel as it for many things, including gaming with family members who live in different states which is incredible to be able to do. Watching movies with family/friends is also such a special feeling. My as for you with your new BigScreen prototype is this: Can you watch a movie with your quest 2 using the bigscreen app, and then watch another movie with the new bigscreen headset and tell me(us) if there really is a huge difference in experience. I don’t have any previous vr hardware except for my quest 2 and my pc, so this would be a big investment. If the visuals are worth it, it’s something I would consider. Thank you for being awesome, I love your videos!
That exo suit looks awesome! I can't wait until a standardized form of physical walking and fbt tech like that finally releases! Regarding bigscreen I mostly want to know how it looks and feels compared to other hmds. I like that you've tried many headsets and are really interested to know how it not only compares to entry level like quests but higher level hmds like index and beyond
Looks promising! They have some great ideas, looks like it should reduce fatigue as well. Though while it tries to tackle the walking problem, its still not quite there.
@@WillieWinklerI bet the simulation of flying would be awesome in this. To be fair this is one of the best takes on the walking problem. I almost feel with current tech that what feel more natural would be some sort of pedaling combined with this rig. It would take less energy than standing and using a treadmill and probably wouldn't actually feel that weird as an input. Though you might feel like your riding a unicycle everywhere lol.
@@WillieWinkler I could see a hybrid build that uses trackers on the feet and the exit skeleton unmounted and using a sort of suspension system to allow everything from walking to running to crawling! It would need a bit more work for the suspension to properly keep you in place without limiting movement up and down (maybe a similar skeleton to the exit to keep it from moving horizontally?). Plus software to correlate the hip and foot tracking for locomotion, but I feel like this would allow full movement (maybe even some yoga poses level of flexible) while still also allowing you to use feet to move. Suppose it's just an Idea, but definitely going to try it out once I can get all the equipment!
From someone who works at a wood shop with a cnc. That would at the bare minimum cost $2,500. Programming the shapes of the parts into the computer would take a day at least and cutting would take half and than there’s sanding and finish which is another day added. That’s also if you can find a shop that will take on such a unique and small job
Been waiting (and trying to design) an exosuit for VR immersion. The only concern i have is with the leg/waist harness. These can cause issues with blood flow. Generally that is when they are used as saftey harnesses for window washers working on skyscrapers. That said I have been telling people that one of the requirements for full VR is to be able to convincingly jump from one ledge to another while feeling the ground drop from beneath your feet.
God, the exit suit looks amazing! If I had any real space for anything more than playing Vr on my bed, I'd be considering putting one together just to see what its like.
Been imagining a very similar thing for many years with all the benefits and current challenges to full immersion plus way more, solved. Like telepresence, recording and experiencing other peoples full body recordings which could train you or be therapeutic, or as a workout device, to nteracting waay more intimately across distance with other users or the real world . I can see people spending 10k on a system like this since it solves so much in one thing, or even lease it like a car. Even as a vegas attraction or hourly reservation, you get people hooked very fast i think, plus really entertaining twitch/youtube streaming material. The humanoid robot field could eventually be very synergetic with this exosuit / vr stuff, bringing costs down for both
Please Test Elite: Dangerous on the Bigscreen beyond. I am worried those reflection artifacts mentioned previously will be a distraction in a space sim.
Question of the week: Do you think a sword art online type of VR would ever be possible? Essentially using the human brain as the VR headset putting the user into a dream-like state, as well as the computational power? Just needing to find a way to somehow transfer data and instructions to the brain.
100%. Been testing it, and was showing coworkers a new trick in Fusion360 the other day all while using it and being able to read every text element of the GUI.
I know this is a longshot, but a cool game to try would be KINGSPRAY GRAFFITI. There is a community behind the simulator and since the devs have left us hanging (for basically years at this point...with no communication) we started making our own maps and trying to fix / figure out what we can with what we got. I would love to see how this game look and feels on the Bigscreen Beyond ✌
Love your videos, thank you! I'm curious about the new bigscreen beyond headset: I completely understand that it is made for you, but how does it *actually* feel for it to be worn by someone else (assuming same IPD)? Is it just not comfy enough but still usable, or is it absolutely unbearable?
As someone who's been testing it: All of my blood relatives (brothers and sisters, parents, even nephews) have been able to wear and use mine comfortably. I can't attest to the quality of their experiences, as they aren't VR veterans who know how to describe what they experience in detail. But they definitely had a good time!
For friends: even if the IPD is similar, comfort can be anywhere from "fine" to "weird" to "uncomfortable", with potential for light leakage around the cushion. The cushion is also responsible for positioning the eyes relative to the optics, so someone using the wrong cushion may affect how well their eyes stay in the sweet spot.
Love your Introduction video. So relaxing and gets me ready to listen. Feel like I have my own coffee and I can't drink it anymore. Thats a good thing.
You could build a gaming PC and use the quest 2 for a long time with Virtual Desktop. It's a really easy experience with good wifi and steam. Come jump in the big boy pool where Meta doesn't determine your future. You can start with something like a 2070 or 3060 off ebay.
the exit suit looks to be made of high quality plywood ( 2-3 sheets of birch or baltic birch plywood which is around $90 a sheet ) the assembly time may be 2 hours but the cutting out the pieces, routing the edges, and finishing with polyurethane or paste wax or whatever will take 10-20 hours. If you can order parts cut on a cnc router then closer to 10hrs. The exit suit would be better if it was slung from an over arm support and paired with a omni directional treadmill ( the walking/running doesn't look great )
Does look good, it's relative simplicity makes it easier to be adopted. Be interesting to see a crouching mechanic. I would definitely try to sort one out.
What game are you using as background footage? looks fun! Also it kinda blows my mind that VR is moving closer and closer to the Ready Player One standard this fast. Keep up the great work Thrill!
I'd love to see you try the Beyond as a monitor replacement. Related, would love to see a video on working in VR, maybe reviewing Simula OS or Immersed
Hey Thrill, in regards to the Bigscreen beyond, can you test in the frametime performance with a few different games? I'm curous to see if you see significant performance drops with the more demanding games. Thanks.
This platform spine support should have a vertical y axis movement. So it moves up and down via spring systems as you walk around, this way it can help you feel full range of natural mechanics of walking. Otherwise you'll feel like your stuck to a stick, which is exactly what it is, but the sensation of it can be minimized by having he spine tube at the base be a bit more springy moving up and down
My biggest dream is to just be able to go into VR laying down from my bed, full functionality, thats it, thanks for the videos as always and if you ever change the outro I'll cry! 😭
Thanks for the new video! My biggest question for the Beyond, since it's bare minimum, is how to fill out the rest of the system. My Index is simultaneously the best VR Headset, Monitor, Headphones, and Microphone I own. When you're actually playing something like VRChat, what do you add to it? Has Bigscreen shared any information with you about the potential audio strap? Does supporting the entire headset on your eyes like goggles feel more or less comfortable after hours of playtime, or would you prefer a more supportive strap like the index or a halo like the PSVR? My friend's biggest concern has been the FOV, she doesn't want to upgrade from her index until they release something wider than 110, so stepping back to ~90 is almost a deal breaker. Do you notice this reduced FOV when in actual use?
As someone who wants the beyond for VRChat full body tracking, the only thing I'd really ask is to test how well it pairs and tracks with different full body tracking trackers and the valve index controllers. But you were probably gunna do that anyway.
hi thrill i love your vids i got a queast 2 becouse of them and i have one question can you put the games your playing in the bacround in the describtion of evry video
I've just started getting into game development and vr game is something I've reeeeaally started getting interested in. Can't wait to see how this all goes down.
Morning Thrill, just saw a Bigscreen Beyond review where the removed the facial gasket and were able to get a larger FOV and bigger sweet spot without any video clarity loss. Can you give this a try and see if a thinner gasket would be better?
My big QOTD regarding big screen is how WORTH IT is it if you already have the index set up? Is it miles better than the index considering view/ quality/ performance? My small QOTD is if it smells? Does the face gasket make your face itchy? Sweaty? I think all headsets should work on getting much much smaller. There’s a market full of people waiting for the perfect (almost) perfect headset. Could this be it?
PLEASE test how clear the Beyond is for doing desktop work with your video workflows. The #2 thing I want from a VR headset is to ditch my monitor and desk setup to use a headset in a virtual desktop environment FULL TIME. I was going to buy a Quest Pro because it seems like the only relatively affordable headset with good enough clarity to do this but I'm on the fence about it because I would much rather a SteamVR tracked headset because then I won't need two different headsets. If I get the Quest Pro, I still need a SteamVR headset to use with full body tracking because doing that with an Oculus device is a royal pain in the ASS.
That exit suit is just wicked!! it could potentially solve many problems in VR. they've got a sub extra. Could you check how the new headset works in the sim or non-game apps? For example check text readability, performance on standard game PC and sound solutions plz! Apple calling it "a macintosh moment" promises a lot for me. Apple VR could be a new way of working, which the mac also introduced to a lot of ppl back in the day. I hope that Apple focuses on comfort and usability with the power of some m2x processors. Apple could be introducing design for VR unlike anything currently available. I'll try to be an early adopter if the budget allows it. Wonder if SteamVR will be available on Launch on mac.
I will be setting up a new HMD system later this year, Big Screen Beyond is in the running for what I get. Very much looking forward to a review from folks I trust.
OMG...I have a woodshop. I can feel this happening to me. You should call this episode 'Drink Me'. I have to listen to white rabbit while looking at specs now. So, thanks? I guess.
Biggest thing I want to know about the Beyond. Is it going to replace your Index? If it is, I'm replacing my original HTC Vive with it. If not, well, maybe I'll wait a little longer for what's around the corner. Love the vids!
Nothing matters more to me than wider peripherals, in my opinion. Refresh rates and pixel count have been good enough for me already (of course more is always welcome lol) is there any chance you know the view angle for this tiny little cool one? Thanks! Love your videos mate!!
Hey, I got a couple of suggestions about the beyond headset video, I'd like to see mic comparisons and if it works on Linux. You said previously it's steamvr so I don't see why it wouldn't work for Linux, but I'd love to get back into VR after switching my OS.
Great update! Really looking forward to the Beyond, do you have any sim racing setup - dedicated PCVR for sim racing is huge for me and others, would love to have something with a larger field of view, great refresh rates and highest pixel per degree they can manage (Sim racing is all about how far you can see in the virtual world).
Maybe I’ll try to build one of those exit suits for my capstone project. I’m a senior in Mechanical Engineering. I can already think of ways to make it more immersive
I thought you were not gonna do newsday videos anymore lol. I feel like you go back and forth every month on this. I enjoy all your content though so I am not complaining. Thank you for the vid.
I instantly know what this video is about, the Exit Suit. I found this project through Lucas's VR Glove's video's comments. It's a cool concept, but kinda goofy to me personally.
