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It's time for breaking Star Wars News. The Acolyte will not be getting a second season. This after Deadline reported the supposed "cancellation" of the series followng a much-discussed first season. What does it all mean for the fandom and the business overall? And what will the loss be for the Star Wars fandom? Join Joseph Scrimshaw, Jennifer Landa, and Ken Napzok as they discuss the breaking news on the 678th episode of ForceCenter.
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@joncarroll2040 23 дня назад

Here's a good number to try to adjust that Disney will look at for more Acolyte in another format: pre-orders for the upcoming Justina Ireland book. Don't know if Audible lets you use the free trial you guys pitch on preorders but maybe suggest people using theirs on pre-ordering Wayfinder for a few weeks?

@swolerabbit 23 дня назад

a great idea, i think! if anyone can move units, it’s us rabid high republic readers 😂

@joncarroll2040 21 день назад

@@swolerabbit I pre-ordered mine yesterday!

@swolerabbit 20 дней назад

@@joncarroll2040 i ordered it shortly after i replied to you, and the two art books as well! excited to have them 😭

@Bendu69420 23 дня назад

57:24 I’d be fascinated to see a series in live that covers an era instead of a character focus. Instead of “the mandalorian” “ahsoka” “Andor”, switch gears and go for something like The Clone Wars. TCW’s has a little something for everyone, and while it has a core cast to love and grow with, it easily hops and plays ensemble cast or focuses on new characters for entire arcs. It would be great to see something more ambitious like that, again tied to an era rather than a character. I feel like that’s something that could hold its own in a world where Disney/Lucasfilm says “hey, this is your Star Wars show for the next 3 season of Disney + streaming.”

@LightsOnTrees 19 дней назад

What bugs me a lot about the nostalgia aspect of what studios will green light is that a lot of what is considered culturally relevant and beloved only got that way because they had, in the example of tv, these massive 22 episode seasons and ran for 5+ seasons. The early seasons of TNG were pretty hit or miss, and Voyager, DS9, Buffy, Stargate etc were all allowed to find their feet, explore the characters, take chances and run experiments, as well as having satisfying arcs and a feeling of progression. In a lot ways I love a lot of the shows coming out, but I'll be curious how we feel about this period when we look back in 10, 20 years, because I just don't feel like I really know any of these characters particularly well and then they're gone, half finished, and half explored.

@capiseric 22 дня назад

I'm not sad it's not coming back. I really hate it for the fans of the show though. Just because I didn't connect to something doesn't mean I should want others to be deprived of it.

@RaikenXion 9 дней назад

Thing is though you should really take that up with Disney because they're the ones that made that "Business Decision". I'm tired of all this rhetoric blaming those of us that didn't like the show, for being the ones Disney have listened to, it's just nonesense! IF Disney really listened to one side of the fanbase, don't you think they would have NEVER greenlit the Rey movie!? I mean just look at how many fans don't want that movie to happen, nor with they go watch it if it ever gets made. Did Disney listen to that!? NOPE. Nor did Disney listen to the fans who were very interested in where Grogu's story would go when he left with Luke, no, Disney "listened" to KK and believed that Grogu being with Luke for a while, would hurt the viewing numbers for the Mandalorian S3; this had the complete opposite effect, and many fans actually didn't like that Grogu returned to Din Djarin so soon in BOBF, just for them to be on screen together ready for Season 3 of the Mandalorian. My point is Disney basically looked at the cost of the Acolyte, and that massive cost simply did NOT justify the amount of Viewership that show got when the Disney bosses looked at all the graphs and barcharts of Acolyte's viewing figures. I just wish all the Acolyte fans would honestly realize this, but this whole "Culture War" going on within our Entertainment and beloved franchises, between the Right and the Left, it's just getting ridiculous. Honestly the best thing Disney and Lucasfilm can do right now to ease this whole massive Division between left/right leaning fans, I mean between even Acolyte and Sequels fans and the Rest of the Starwars Fandom (who basically don't like those two things); is for them to just make a comic book or novelization that basically wraps up and concludes Osha & Qimir's stories. AND Master Vernastra, how exactly she is able to cover up all that sh*t that went down (which logically considering we see Yoda, still seems like a big stretch to me personally but whatever). Then Lucasfilm/Disney should really just start ADAPTING some of the beloved *Legends" stories into like CW/Bad Batch Animated style one off series or movies. AND make the writing really good! Like Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi quality level of writing!! So that those adaps can be 100% FAITHFUL to those "Legends" stories. This would bring back so many of these disillusioned starwars fans who simply do not like anything Disney has been doing lately. Disney and Lucasfilm really need to understand they're NEVER going to get most these oldskool starwars fans to embrace and accept their "Disney Canon" because that canon is a sheer mess! It's inconsistent that's why so many of the fans just don't take it seriously. And it's really no good just taking the attitude of - "well those oldskool fans are ALL WHITE MEN in their 50s/60s so we don't need them anyway." NO! that's bigoted in of itself to think like that because there are plenty of Black/Latino Ethnic older starwars fans, they're simply NOT all white men. AND those fans have Families of their own, raising they kids to NOT follow the new stuff, but only appreciate the older starwars, and just actual good Disney starwars stuff like "Jedi Fallen Order" the Mandalorian and Rogue One & Andor. Disney really need start thinking of BOTH sides of this fandom now.

@Osvetnik1138 21 день назад

Jenn, your "final argument" was so raw and it made me cry. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and your feelings. Im a white dude so I don't have those experiences, but I am so thankful for people that share their feelings like you have for helping to open my eyes to and change the way I think about the world around me. Thank you, thank you!

@fredrico665 23 дня назад

thank you, Force center. sad and bummed about this news. I am always thankfull to your thoughts and discussions

@owendanes 22 дня назад

Thanks for the thoughtful discussion as usual, ForceCenter. This was a tough loss, and it helps to hear you all process it from so many angles. I was particularly moved by Jennifer’s perspective on growing up, feeling othered and unrepresented, and share both her concerns and hopes for the future. Wishing the best going forward. For light and life!

@jcadkathim1 23 дня назад

Love ur shows , thnx for everything u do, always

@md11x6 23 дня назад

Disappointing. Disney needed to separate the online propaganda from reality. The "fans" that attacked The Acolyte had a problem with the director, one actor, and a few comments they made. This point was proven by the review bombing before the first episode even aired. This whole saga has just shown what a toxic cesspool the Star Wars "Fandumb Menace" has become. The fact that Disney has given into it has just given them more power going forward. Sad.

@samuelrodgers2742 20 дней назад

@@IndianaJake Disney listened to the over $1.3 billion that Captain Marvel made

@md11x6 19 дней назад

lol. Captain Marvel was VERY successful. Not sure what your point was?

@jmull7287 18 дней назад

@@md11x6 I think can speak for them when I say Captain Marvel made a ton of money so Disney didn't care about a small group of loud people who hated that it existed. A second movie went forward. The Acolyte's viewership was very low and its budget was very high. So it doesn't move forward. Nothing to do with people who annoy you on social media.

@voodoochile333 16 дней назад

Your activism isn't wanted.

@anakincrespin 23 дня назад

I am crushed 💔😢 Though I've also been waiting for a Book of Boba season 2 for how many years now?? 😅 So I am used to the pain lol

@barsnobs 22 дня назад

SW fan since 77. I'm in my fifties. I have seen fandom shift in many places, politically, socially and entertainment based as well. Small voices with big megaphones lately. There were plenty y of flaws but they are show flaws, not life flaws. People should grow up but we know, they don't have to unfortunately (I'm a parent of a new trans adult child recently, also a big DEI advocate at work but I'm a regular guy with regular thoughts) Totally agree with all you said. I think if movies are where they are going, and I like that, it should be television movies for the streaming shows and movie movies for the announcements made. Make an Acolyte sequel movie and make a Solo sequel movie on Disney plus. Close out the storylines. Make landos movie on Disney plus. Obi wan/Vader movie too. Close out the loose threads. That's four films right there for Disney plus. The rest in the big screen You're welcome 😂. Been a listener of you since Jedi council! -Barsnobs Mike DeMarino . Be well!

@oraymw 23 дня назад

Thanks for the discussion friends. I enjoyed this chat a lot, and found it very helpful.

@kamsolusar8529 22 дня назад

I want to echo what others are saying here, but thank you, ForceCenter. I loved listening to your reviews and reflections on each episode. I loved The Acolyte and I'm really disappointed and angry that it wasn't renewed for a second season. As a person of color and longtime Star Wars fan (and prequelist), I really appreciate Jennifer's perspectives about the show. Also, I'm still upset about Willow not having a season 2 and being removed. Can't help but notice that both of these shows focused on women relationships, had queer representation, featured people of color in leading roles, and subverted expectations in a meaningful and positive way.

@gaznottingham9652 23 дня назад

This is a shame. I feel as though if you start a project, it should be finished and not shelved. Perhaps lucasfilm should allow creators to finish their work. Solo was also a victim of this. I know it's often money that drives these choices but i could damage any brand to show non-commitment to finishing a show.

@Vulcanerd 23 дня назад

@@gaznottingham9652 This is where that clash happens between corporations and creatives. Corporations don’t exist on their own in a vacuum and need creatives to push product. Creatives don’t have the financial muscle on their own (or rarely in the cases of someone like Lucas originally or Kevin Smith) so rely on corporations to provider them with the finances and logistics to realize their creations. Both need money to exist or even thrive so it feels like money winds up being the main factor in determining “success” and “failure”.

@gaznottingham9652 20 дней назад

@IndianaJake I really enjoyed Solo too so..

@RichiePhoto 23 дня назад

Thank you, ForceCenter. I needed some sanity and walking back from the metaphorical ledge. I’ve been bummed all day but knowing I’m not alone is helpful. And thank you, Jennifer for that “closing argument.”

@prosperoeaton8201 23 дня назад

This is a very important episode of Force Center because it speaks to my ongoing frustrations with the toxic online Star Wars environment. I was worried going in about how the culture wars would would play into the reaction to The Acolyte and my worst fears have been realized. This movement has the potential to cause so much more damage, particularly to the Rey movie,. Even Skeleton Crew could get bombed and ripped apart. To me, The Acolyte is one of the best Star Wars shows. I'm depressed about us not getting another season. There are far too many so called fans who are out to destroy Star Wars. Thanks for keeping it real.

@I_am_the_Bendude 23 дня назад

Thanks so much for your thoughtfulness and industry insight you three. Great conversation on a difficult topic.

@marjoe32 23 дня назад

Its a sad day, no matter what people say. I for one Loved the show. Leaving shows unfinished leaves a sour taste, now no more Boba either. As a Star Wars fan i feel LOST.

@anakincrespin 18 дней назад

I've listened to this twice now, as well as Alex and Molly's video about the subject. Don't know what we'd do without you guys

@nicolekemper1560 22 дня назад

Thank you for voicing why I'm so upset about this. It doesn't make it ok, but it helps to hear reasonable folks articulate the complexities of this cancelation and why it's so troubling.

@AV-xm5ln 16 дней назад

reasonable? 🤦‍♂

@voodoochile333 16 дней назад

Your activism isn't wanted.

@Vulcanerd 23 дня назад

Yeah, I mentioned this already in the previous video, but I’m pretty bummed about it. I think it had a lot of things to offer going forward with a chance to see what actual Sith training looked like with Qimir and Osha. Would Plagueis have been involved, what’s the fallout for Vernestra and the Jedi, if any, for the coverup, would we have seen a full circle confrontation with Osha and Mae if Vernestra trained her? Oh, yeah, and Koril. Oof, definitely feeling the pain of anyone who’s had their favorite thing end prematurely.

@DaleESkywalker 23 дня назад

Sad news. I didn't absolutely love *The Acolyte* but it has potential. It's not the end of the world, though. I hope to see a few of the characters return in other series.

@sebastianescalante8286 22 дня назад

This was a great episode to listening and has helped me processes some of the feelings that the Acolyte news has caused. While I had my issues with some of the pacing and character motivations in The Acolyte I was really hoping the story would continue especially after some of the teases we got at the end. If given another season the show could have improved on some of the first seasons issues and come out greater by the end rhe show had potential. My biggest disappointment is that Disney and Luca’s film will take the wrong lessons from this show. Thank you ForceCenter for this very insightful and therapeutic episode!

@susansmith7920 23 дня назад

Thanks Forcecentre for your discussion on the Acolyte Very balanced and non toxic I personally liked the series and would have liked a 2nd series I agree with Jennfer "cancelled " was the wrong word to be used

@miker.9138 23 дня назад

A real bummer. I hope they at least continue the story in book form, but it would still suck for the cast and crew.

@joncarroll2040 23 дня назад

Two books already announced. The first one, Wayfinder by Justina Ireland, is already up for pre-order.

@miker.9138 23 дня назад

@@joncarroll2040 thanks. I'll have to add it to my list.

@sandyliffman6668 22 дня назад

Thank you FC. I was not a huge fan of The Acolyte (mainly how the story was executed at times), but I saw potential in it, because it was set during the High Republic and I did care for the characters and their story. I was hoping for a season 2. The past 2 days have been madness on social media and I have been trying to stay away as far as possible. It saddens me to see fans rejoycing in this type of news. Your video helped me to process the news ad see some clarity. I am still hoping Lucasfilm won't abandon the High Republic era and that we will see some of the characters in other series or films.

@CATDRL2 23 дня назад

The issue at hand is not whether the show was good or bad. Disney seems to have given in to the negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, resulting in many Star Wars fans refusing to watch the series based on those slanted viewpoint. This led to low viewership and re-viewership on Disney+. Disney seems to have ignored this and decided to cancel the series solely based on those metrics, which is a bad decision. If all viewers had a chance to form their own opinions based on viewership numbers, the decision to pull Acolyte could have been different. By doing so, Disney has allowed the "Haters" to succeed and award their effort. This may backfire with Disney in the long run, as the haters could impact future series releases based on personal opinions on Director and Actors. In the end, it seems like the haters will influence what Disney produces. Is this really what Disney wants in the end? Now that Disney has canceled The Acolyte, its remaining fans feel betrayed and may want to join hate groups, making their effort even more successful.

@joncarroll2040 23 дня назад

It's more than that. Review bombing didn't help but I can't imagine that even without it, the show would have been able to make up the budget unless it was on the level of Andor or late season Clone Wars.

@DaleESkywalker 23 дня назад

Hey, Tony! Good to see ya here. Disney didn't cave to negative reviews. The basis of the decision is _Return on Investment._ The review bombing hurt the series a lot. Even my friends "heard it wasn't very good." The rage baiters will take this as a win for them and they'll never learn from it. *The Acolyte* will continue in books, and I hope the characters will be seen in other series. They didn't win. They only removed it from their limited views. It will continue, just not on TV.

@andrewb.9815 23 дня назад

The show is objectively bad. The story, the script, dialogue, acting, plot holes, I struggled to get through each episode and physically winced multiple times at the poor acting. Osha's manic behavior and sudden character arc (there was absolutely no development, she just suddenly switches to the dark side.), the poor chemistry between characters. It is just a painfully bad show.

@andrewb.9815 23 дня назад

Do you honestly think that the Acolyte was a well written, well acted, directed show?

@MrSubstance 23 дня назад

How much do you think they should throw at a season 2, budget wise - based on views of Season 1?

@richlynch9068 23 дня назад

I suspect that Star Wars tv as we’ve seen it is winding down entirely. The fact that they announced an Acolyte publishing initiative indicates to me that they have something planned for the future even if it’s not a tv show

@wookietalks385 23 дня назад

The point of this is ROI. Disney tried some things with TV to make their platform work. Bob Iger decided what works is what gets turned into movies and what doesn't work well gets turned into books. They get a bigger _return on investments_ with movies in any case. Subscribers on streaming services has become as expensive as cable to keep them all.

@DaleESkywalker 23 дня назад

We'll also have three movies after what's done when *Ahsoka* finishes the second season.

@Melodicroger 22 дня назад

Because of streaming, Disney knows who bail on shows, re-watches, picks up later, etc…they know at an intimate level how their customers are interacting with their content. That intel informs their decisions. Negative online discussions is something they are aware of but it’s nothing compared to the viewership analytics…it’s really that straightforward.

@thomasglieden171 21 день назад

I totally love and agree with what Jennifer said at the end of the show about representation for everyone in Star Wars. I really love The Acolyte show, and I'm very sad to see it come to an end. I hope there will be future storytelling that will pick up the cliffhanger threads left by the show.

@chrisryons 23 дня назад

We have to be twice as good to get 1/2 the recognition...

@noHOPEof 23 дня назад

● truly heard a quote • nearly identical ◇ during a 'lower level' Chopped co - ed competition at least ○ 10 years ago ~ . . . Holonet Marauders coverage of the eight episodes( still enjoyable ○ with a variety of Guests )

@gr7725 11 дней назад

Let me know when that happens then

@RaikenXion 9 дней назад

I'm sorry the Acolyte got cancelled for those fans that loved it, but it's very obvious this was purely a "Cost versus Viewership" decision by Disney.

@yodasdad 23 дня назад

Disney keep giving more power to this toxic mess of RU-vidrs. Now they’ll double down on trashing every mildly diverse SW project. The Rey movie is screwed and other projects too

@Mondoness 16 дней назад

The writing was garbage, what does that have to do with diversity?

@voodoochile333 16 дней назад

Your activism loses again.

@edbeckr 23 дня назад

You know an anime Acolyte series could work. I still feel there is atleast 2 chapters to be told with these characters. Still sad about this😢. If they make publishing, I will certainly buy.

@furynotes 23 дня назад

Not a bad idea. The show runner likes cowboy bebop.

@soundwave-815 23 дня назад

Super sad about this news. As always ForceCenter is there to make it better, thanks ya'll!

@tommyontrip 23 дня назад

I liked it even though it got bad reviews online. It was too bad that the show got axed because of business reasons.

@Bendu69420 23 дня назад

I’m not 100% convinced, since I haven’t seen any Disney/Lucasfilm people confirm it. But accepting it for the time being, I feel like aside from the twins and the Plaugeis of it all I can connect it to TPM. That final scene with Vern going to Yoda is what helps me settle it. Like, without seeing the conversation I can assume she told him what’s up and that leads to Yoda learning/knowing of the Rule of Two and adds context to him swapping looks with Mace when Qui-Gon breaks the news about fighting Maul.

@VegasAtPinehaven 23 дня назад

I'm really disappointed by this news

@Mickey-1994 16 дней назад

You'll be fine.

@alixbignell798 22 дня назад

Thsnks for this episode. Its been a couple of tough days as a star wars fan, flash backs of last jedi, been feeling quite down about the whole situation and its nice to know and feel supported by you, always. I agree with everything you said. It’s a shame but what can we do. Somehow these people need to stopped, celebrating as a win? Thats shameful. Anyway, thanks for all the years since Jedi council on collider and the continued✌🏼

@scotts5528 23 дня назад

My younger kids had the most emotional reaction to Osha bleeding the blade I've ever seen. It was their "I'm your father moment". Very disappointed in this news. It helps that this phantom next season would have been 2 years away at best, so in the end i'll forget that it was ever going to come out. I think the future of Star Wars television is animated, just as it was under George. If the quality of the shows is Rebels and Bad Batch then I'm fine with that. I want quality shows with a plan, and that is something that is a strength of Filoni. Whether the business supports that...

@swolerabbit 23 дня назад

i just now found that you can submit feedback on disney+, and one of the categories is “request show or film!” request the acolyte season 2! thank you force center, i am halfway through and am so thankful to find a little bit of sanity in (what feels like) the ocean of brazen hatred and immaturity being rewarded for their bad behaviour.

@joncarroll2040 21 день назад

Did that yesterday too...

@swolerabbit 20 дней назад

@@joncarroll2040 so did all of my family, i know lots of people who have sent something in. hopefully it makes a difference, but not likely 😭😂

@stonedALPHAZ 23 дня назад

I'm jus soo pissed, sad and frustrated. Its tiring gettin invested in these shows (all over the industry) and watching them get chopped off by way of whateva measurements these studios play by. I really enjoyed The Acolyte and I really loved the sect of fandom it created. I currently don't see any reason for why I should get invested in Skeleton Crew, will it survive the hate onslaught? I doubt cuz Lucasfilm doesn't have a spine to combat them and stick to their creative guns.

@dawgfanjim 23 дня назад

As a lifelong fan, I never thought I would lose my love for it. This toxic hate infesting the fandom is too much for me.

@dawgfanjim 19 дней назад

@@IndianaJake Wow, thanks for the help, "Bro."🤦‍♂

@Mickey-1994 16 дней назад

Well Bye

@joannascheer5835 23 дня назад

Hi guys, I’m devastated and I think it was a very bad decision for the future of SW. From now on we will probably get cgi Luke and Lea till everyone has to puke. Don’t get me wrong, love the too, but it’s enough. I don’t wanna watch the Skywalker saga again and again. And how should new creators with interesting and cool ideas ever want to work with Lucas film, they won’t set a foot into it, if everything what’s new gets cancelled. It’s just sad. And with this decision Disney also supports bad toxic fans. I don’t really get it, why are they doing this? This makes no sense in every aspect. 😢

@joannascheer5835 23 дня назад

I need to add sth, I’ve was confronted with comments at the beginning of the show from people that really hated it and when you’ve asked them why they said they didn’t watched it but prohibited it to whole family because it is bad and they don’t want their kids to watch because of queerness. Wait what?! This is crazy. Many of such comments 😳😔

@chrisryons 23 дня назад

Jennifer was ON POINT!✊🏽

@willdixon2587 22 дня назад

@@GeorgeLucas1138 Take a lap.

@arturobravo701 22 дня назад

@@chrisryons and hot

@Mickey-1994 16 дней назад

LOL she's your typical white liberal female.

@AzulApe 11 дней назад

🤣😂🤣😂

@auntvesuvi3872 23 дня назад

Thanks, Ken! Thanks, Joseph! Thanks, Jennifer! 🚫 I read in a meme on Twitter/X what Jennifer said about Deadline using the term cancellation (inaccurate, in this instance), gives haters a sense of accomplishment. I'm glad to hear her echo those sentiments here and to hear y'all discuss it. 🔸 Here's hoping certain threads or characters from THE ACOLYTE get picked up in another live-action tv show set in THE HIGH REPUBLIC.

@cheapfinish6224 23 дня назад

Cope.

@swolerabbit 23 дня назад

@@cheapfinish6224you’re the one on here being aggie people *checks notes* like a show. get a grip, baby cakes.

@swolerabbit 23 дня назад

i really hope we get to see more of the sith, because that was so cool! glad we at least get the little bit that was scheduled for the publishing initiative. can’t believe they dropped earth plagueis and then were like “guess you’ll never know 🤷🏻‍♀️” but the memes were fantastic 😂

@alfje5492 23 дня назад

Not the biggest Acolyte fan, as it wasn't really for me, but I would have liked a second season to see where things went.

@voodoochile333 16 дней назад

What an odd post. It doesn't make sense.

@zachmartin6519 23 дня назад

You guys should do a live stream for this. So many us have lots of thoughts and feelings…For me, Jen hit it on the head at the top. The use of the word ‘cancel’ in the reporting feels problematic. None of the other shows that didn’t get 2nd seasons are talked about that way. It plays into an issue from throughout Acolyte’s run, it has been covered by the media with a slant (intentional or not, malicious or not) towards the negative and angry perspective. For instance, there were RU-vid critics who I follow, reasonable critics, who reviewed this show and followed it regularly in a way they hadn’t been for other D+ Star Wars shows. Obviously you go where the clicks are, this was something new and much talked about. And while I’m sure they were genuine in their critical response to the show (and this goes for anyone acting in good faith) they were nevertheless feeding the monster! Same thing Deadline is doing with that headline. Idk what to do about it, but in our current media climate you have to be AWARE of the CONTEXT and be AWARE of how it will be RECEIVED. You have to be aware of how your words and thoughts could be used. As Obi-Wan said about Luke’s feelings, “they do you credit but they could be used to serve the emperor.” It’s not enough to start every review with the caveat that what you’re about to say has nothing to do with the diversity of the cast. If you know how it will sound and that makes you uncomfortable, maybe you shouldn’t say it? TL;DR I’m bummed by this news and by the state of the industry and of “fandom.”

@adrianwilliams7790 23 дня назад

Well said Jennifer. Too many channels using 'cancelled' as click bait.

@thebendu33 23 дня назад

Well it's the title of the deadline article. So they reported it correctly

@David-yy9kl 23 дня назад

Why can't homies just, turn the channel when they don't like something and move on? I go to McDonald's all the time, but I will never eat those nuggets, I go to Wendy's for that. I don't hate, I know people love those Mcnuggets. We keep it movin

@Mondoness 16 дней назад

thats what everyone did, the over half the viewership didn't even finish watching it. They turned it off and did something else.

@JediKnightoftheTifaCult 15 дней назад

If there's so much racism and sexism in the SW fan base, then why is Rogue One considered to be the most popular Disney SW movie and well liked by the vast majority of the fans?

@CHOOKIE67 2 дня назад

Don't hold your breath on getting an answer here to that one. They can't even say it was "cancelled" it was just not "renewed".

@stevemcdaniel4893 17 дней назад

It is a good point on the business side, but there are many contracts that are for multiple years, or even have option years in them.

@Dicko2909 22 дня назад

If it was trying to attract a more diverse audience, where did that audience go? Because after the third episode the show's viewership disintegrated.

@highwayjonny471 20 дней назад

A true shame we won't get a season 2. I hope they at least finish the story with a book or something. Sad day.

@Dicko2909 23 дня назад

Are people who criticise the acting, editing, writing, direction, pacing and length of the episodes toxic? Just asking for a friend.

@AuntyKsTarot 22 дня назад

Yes they are toxic, racist, homophobic.

@gunroswell2706 18 дней назад

Good points! And thank you for always having a positive view of things, too much hate out there as it is in the fandom. While I did not enjoy the Acolyte myself, it had nothing to do with whatever hype was around it among the haters. Rather the story and characters failed on several levels, to me that is. As a queer person myself, I was looking forward to this show, alas, it had none of the ingredients I expected it to have. But, I would have loved to have seen the continuation of the story just the same as the premise was good, the force witches, the younger Jedi, Sol, they were all interesting alas the show did not give them time to grow, it felt, rushed somehow, the whole story. But that’s just me. Nothing to do with any other thing, than the story and character failing for me, personally. Guess it’s all up to fan fiction now to wrap this story up now!?

@CheeseRunner 23 дня назад

I was (and admittedly still am) a little devastated upon hearing this news. The Acolyte was a show I wasn't particularly excited about but it really grabbed me. I've rewatched it 3 times and found new things to appreciate each time. It's one of the very few SW shows I really loved and not just "kinda liked" like the rest. For the first time since the first two seasons of Mando was I actively counting down the days till the next episode and it was a rush to be that excited about Star Wars again. So yeah now I'm just left devastated and kinda angry with no clear target for that anger.

@peterich22 23 дня назад

I loved The Acolyte. It seems pretty irresponsible of Lucasfilm to have a huge reveal of a character like Plagueis in live action for the first time without having solid plans of moving forward with the story. I know the story still counts and everything that happened is canon, but it just feels like sort of a waste. Now, they could always continue Plagueis' story elsewhere and maybe even involve characters we saw in this show but that would just seem to be an odd decision to just pluck "things that worked" in this show and continue them elsewhere. The state of the entertainment industry is just sad right now. We are in a transition period and fans are suffering for it while the studios try to figure it out. Studios need to have more loyalty to projects they invest in and stop being so reactive to the negative voices that are often louder and fewer than the positive. How do they even know that the negative voices are actually interested in, watching, or giving the show/movie a fair shot. People these days are swayed too much by others' opinions which just spreads negativity like wildfire.

@gsarngad 22 дня назад

The word cancelled didn't stand out to me, I think because I'm still used to the old days where all the networks would announce their fall schedules during the same week and you'd find out if the shows you liked were cancelled or renewed all at once. But as I'm typing this I'm getting it more that with streaming the assumption is kind of that any season of a show is a one-off thing and occasionally we get more whereas with broadcast the assumption was that any show that made it to the end of the season was going to come back unless it got cancelled so that's no longer the appropriate term for choosing not to make more beyond whatever had been ordered that far.

@arturobravo701 22 дня назад

I love this podcast. It's nice to see people discussing things in a diplomatic way and personal way without having to tell and argue. I can see that all three have different tastes and views but at the end they can all enjoy star wars in their way and discuss it. That's intelectual. I like this show a lot and I was hoping to see a season two. I would prefer a thousand times this show over mando. Mando feels too safe. In all ways. This was fresh and new. Challenging. It opened a lot of discussion. I wanted to see so much more of Qimir. He is one of the best villains in starwafs since Vader. And I like how they portrayed the Jedi. It was very close to real life spiritual leaders. And I liked that the sith weren't just this crazy evil guys. Qimir had a backstory and reason. In history a lot of new religions have formed out of an old one cus they disagree in ideas. Oh well rip acolyte...

@jeyfromnowhere 23 дня назад

Well said, Jen. Reminds me of that old study with a young black girl being asked to pick a doll to play with and she chooses a white blonde one over a black doll because it was "prettier."

@matthewrudoy263 21 день назад

This episode was really cathartic to listen to. Thank you!

@unafearless342 23 дня назад

Thanks for this interesting and good discussion. I'm sad that we don't get a 2nd season of the Acoyte. I think SW should go forward with more consistency, one movie every 3 yrs and inbetween one SW show. That way we getting something but not too much. Just my two cents 😅

@patrickrogler6436 23 дня назад

I'm a fan of you three since day one, I agree with most of what you say, I just want to share a small thought. In some ways america feels to me like it chases the extremes, and a lot of middleground is just ignored or seen as unimportant. And I completly disagree. I bring this up because I feel like this show is turning into a battleground of absolutes, either your with the show. Or your it's enemy. As we know only Sith deal in absolutes. (Or you hate the show and everyone else is your enemy) I think we should share how we feel and not see things so binary. As a non american it feels bad.

@LachlanMorris 22 дня назад

I agree 100%. American is so fucked politically that their two extremes have now invaded their entertainment.

@LachlanMorris 22 дня назад

For me, it was the obvious attempt to attract the “Yasss Queen” and Twitter stan audience that turned me off. ⁠My 52 year old father who grew up with Alien, E.T, Close Encounters and Star Wars (like many others) can’t relate to the audience this is meant for: 21-28 year old women that love a modern pop song, love watching a guy get undressed and walk slowly out of the water with a full 8-pack and love to hear that it’s the “gayest Star Wars ever”. And thus, it’s not a show that everyone can enjoy (not that every show should be catered to everyone) I don’t have any problem with targeting a specific audience for your show but then I’d say don’t be shocked when your ratings aren’t strong. If the audience was there for this, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

@pletho79 22 дня назад

In here acting like there wasn't an anti-audience for this show making it very difficult for any kind of audience to enjoy it.

@KenNapzok 22 дня назад

But Star Wars is about generational change. Literally how this entire thing started. An old warrior says this isn't my fight and the sword is passed to those coming up behind him. And we wouldn't be having this conversation if more people understood that. I'm 48. And one of the most important personal evolutions I went through was realizing that not every story needs to be for you. Like your father, I grew up on films and shows that spoke directly to me; and us as a generation. Now it's time for others to hear their stories. Don't fight change, find your place in change. I love that this show spoke to so many people. I celebrate that. Mourn its loss because of that. And this show -- or any Star Wars show -- is never for one specific audience. Never. Absolutely never. If you can't find your own truth reflected in the rather simple and direct universal themes presented in this show, then how are you watching these things? What are you looking for in your favorite art? You're missing out on so much! So much good stuff. And why -- because a guy took his shirt off? There are many reasons this show did not make it to season two. Some are on-screen reasons for sure, but mostly it was due to a drastically and rapidly changing business model -- despite many in this comment section not wanting to acknowledge how much that was a factor. Not because anyone there said, "Ok, hear me out, let's go for the Yasss Queen audience." And, come on, listen to a modern pop song. I'll make a playlist.

@LachlanMorris 22 дня назад

@@KenNapzok Thank you for replying respectfully, Ken. Even when I came into the comment section heated haha. I know deep down that this feeling stems from me being frustrated that Star Wars recently hasn't felt like what I grew up with. (Was born in the year 2000 and loved the prequel/original trilogy era) And maybe, that's something I have to adjust to. I didn't hate this show at all, my frustration was in the feeling of indifference that I had which I've never felt with Star Wars. I do have to accept that not everything will tonally be what I'm looking for and I would, of course, love more people to get into Star Wars (it was pretty much my entire childhood). Didn't mean any disrespect to you guys at all, you certainly don't do anything to deserve it. Cheers :)

@KenNapzok 22 дня назад

@@LachlanMorrisBut do you want that playlist? ❤All good, Lachlan. I know where you were coming from!

@Sir_Robocop_jr 23 дня назад

It was reported that the fallout tv show cost $153 million dollars. Just watch that show and compare it to the acolyte. What show had better writing, character development, pacing, direction, ect. Both series had 8 episodes. There needs to be real questions asked with what the hell happened during production.

@williambrackin 23 дня назад

I feel like there’s still an opportunity down the line to revisit this part of the timeline. The general consensus from what I’ve gathered is that when the show focused on The Stranger, it was really popping off the screen. Perhaps a one off movie to fill that gap with The Stranger possibly forming the Knights of Ren? The Kylo Ren theme kept repeating over and over and I don’t think that was a coincidence. And despite what any negative comments may say, Lee Jung-Jae acted his Jedi Robes off. I was so impressed with his performance as Master Sol. At least he got a complete arc through the entire season. And I will get a collectible of Master Sol for my Star Wars collection and as an ode to the show. Curiously on the business side now that Dave Filoni is VEEP of content for Lucasfilm, he may be influential in getting another crack at this story. My understanding is this show was green lit, written, and shot while he was still learning from Jon Favreau about live action work and forming Ahsoka. I think this show had been sitting on the shelf for a year or so after its completion. Never say never.

@artfact2 23 дня назад

This has gotten me so depressed. The hatred, bigotry and prejudice won out. I am not ready to dive in with you guys yet, but will return to this video when I am.

@Karoljay2 14 дней назад

Jennifer completely wrong the Actress herself Amandla Stenberg just made a video saying the show was Cancelled

@spedtchr25 23 дня назад

😢

@Scott.Millis.Duluth 23 дня назад

Big well said to the whole team.

@treyt86 23 дня назад

But I came here for BlytheCenter

@Vulcanerd 23 дня назад

Oh, is it Blythe dolls? I think I called it blight dolls? I couldn’t make out the word, subtitles were no help and bc spelling was wrong, I only assumed I had the right gis.

@BobbyM817 23 дня назад

Despite this being a business decision, the toxic “fans” will take this as a win which is sad. Makes me worried for the cast of Skeleton Crew.

@Vulcanerd 23 дня назад

Already seeing it in the comments section even though the video’s only been up for just over 30 min.

@MrWel684 23 дня назад

That show is made by a white dude and stars Jude Law. I don’t see the mouth-breathing jerk-offs going after that one. But there is a cottage industry in shitting on anything made by Lucasfilm right now and it’s super disingenuous and vile.

@thebendu33 23 дня назад

I saw toxic fans on both side. I saw people making death threats at Lucasfilm if they didn't greenlit the show second season. @@Vulcanerd

@Vulcanerd 23 дня назад

@@thebendu33 Wouldn’t that be part of the toxic “fans” BobbyM817 mentioned?

@Sir_Robocop_jr 23 дня назад

@@Vulcanerdi think when people say toxic fans its pretty implied in one direction.

@Gangerworld 23 дня назад

The amount of grown ass men with popular huge RU-vid channels going "Jedi good, Sith bad, why can't they get that right?" made me want to tear my hair out. These people say they're fans and have been watching SW since they were little still to come out with that message despite Ashoka literally leaving the Jedi Order because, or the Jedi being known as creepy kid stealers.... Their hatred for the show overwhelmed their thinking brains - assuming they had any.

@swolerabbit 23 дня назад

nah. one of the bigger arguments for “show bad” was “ki adi mundi said there hadn’t been any sith!” … girlie he was wrong as he said it wym that’s the point of the movie??? critical thinking is dead, and with it uuuuhhh the acolyte. i guess.

@swolerabbit 20 дней назад

@@IndianaJake the high republic is the beginning of the end, especially since the acolyte is at the tail end of that era. they didn’t just wake up one day and decide the clone wars is fine. it’s ok that you don’t know anything about canon tho.

@swolerabbit 20 дней назад

@@IndianaJake do you not know how time works, pookie

@swolerabbit 20 дней назад

@@IndianaJake like your complete inability to understand what you’re reading or understand nuance is astounding.

@swolerabbit 20 дней назад

@@IndianaJake lmao if that’s what you need to tell yourself to feel better, sure bud. i’m a bot. people like you always berate and insult people for liking something because it “destroys canon,” and then actually have no idea what you’re talking about, and continue to berate people for your own shortcomings and lack of understanding. simply cut it out.

@KorrusStoneHammer 15 дней назад

I couldn’t sit through the Acolyte, but I hate that it isn’t returning for the people who really like it. It’s silly to celebrate anything in the galaxy far far away failing.

@ellecue 23 дня назад

Thanks FC for bringing in some industry knowledge to the discussion. Having worked in a related field, I know that if a show doesn't get the eyeballs it will not be brought back. That's the business. Think of all the shows over the years that have traditionally had Fall premieres and are gone before December let alone get to finish in May. Only on few occasions has audience support revived a property. I'm disappointed Acolyte won't get a chance to explore further but I recall Leslye Hedland said that she put everything she wanted into this one season.

@michaellee9926 23 дня назад

As someone who enjoyed the show with her kids, you guys really give too much credit to “haters.” From a quality standpoint it’s very easy to see why there is a large majority of viewers who didn’t tune in or stick with this show. There have been many other IPs (HoTD) for example with campaigns against them full of incels, and they were able to garner and retain viewers bc they were high quality shows. On a cost per viewer basis the acolyte was embarrassingly bad, regardless of whether we enjoyed it or not. Don’t give so much credit to the grifters, they just happened to be right on this one for completely different reasons.

@darklorddysart 22 дня назад

Why did they remove Willow from D+?

@darklorddysart 20 дней назад

@@IndianaJake lots of things people don’t like on streaming services not a reason to remove it, how would it save them money?

@darklorddysart 19 дней назад

@@IndianaJake That’s it? Surely they can’t be that petty, oh no wait it’s a business of course they can 😆

@davidb.7930 12 дней назад

Tax write off

@kamiwak 16 дней назад

What a thoughtful, informed, nuanced discussion. I really appreciate the way you talked through the effects of review bombing, art vs money, and streaming company metrics.

@mikeycham3643 23 дня назад

Sad though this news is, I sincerely hope that Claudia Gray writes Qimir's backstory.

@justinschultz4325 23 дня назад

I watched every episode to form my own opinion. The only character I found interesting was Qimir. The twins were the worst part of the show. I'm not surprised to hear it won't get a season two.

@DeanSWTVC3.75Modern 22 дня назад

I didn't like it I wanted to but didn't I go into every star wars project with excitement and wanting to enjoy it I'm sad that we might not ever see the stranger or Darth plaguius again tho That's what I wanted I couldn't care less about the casting decisions etc and avoid toxicity on all sides The sad thing for me is I simply didn't like it and now may miss out on the origin of plaguius

@Mimcus716 23 дня назад

Star Wars Theory has over 3 Million subscribers, Star Wars Explained doesn’t even have a Million. Disney knows which parts of the fandom are going to give them a return on their investment and which parts will only just sing their praises on twitter.

@daranphilipson1025 23 дня назад

I don’t actually believe the accuracy of this news.

@Dicko2909 23 дня назад

Here's the thing a lot of the people who liked the show have literally tarred all fans who didn't like it as toxic. I mean Star Wars Meg has been abused by Acolyte fans and she is the most mellow and balanced star wars youtuber out there. Also the people the show was supposed to represent either abandoned it or didn't bother at all. That's the section of the fandom that needs to be questioned.

@CATDRL2 22 дня назад

Today, I raed that Disney is removing all the Acolyte action figures from the store shelves. There are also rumors that they may remove the series from Disney+ similar to what they did with Willow. It would be a tragedy if that happens.

@extrojan22 23 дня назад

You have to give the fans what they want. Look at blade for example, stop trying to make it what you want and just make it an R-rated version about Blade nothing else. It will do numbers because that’s what people want to actually see.

@jonathanfreyone526 23 дня назад

I hate to say it, but as a Star Wars fan I am sick of the mediocre storytelling and execution of many of the SW tv series that have come out from Disney/Lucasfilm, barring Andor and season 1 and 2 of Mando. They should focus on quality not quantity. I had high hopes for this show, unfortunately it was no where near the quality you see in Andor. The facts speak for themselves, the viewership was the lowest of all SW tv shows.

@garyshaller8294 17 дней назад

Great video!

@amaranthpaean 10 дней назад

As far as social media, I am just here on RU-vid, but I did my best to evangelize The Acolyte before it premiered. I had an elevator pitch with all of the high points (low knowledge barrier to entry, diversity on both sides of the camera, a fun new time period to explore) and I shared it with anyone who seemed interested. I had a rebuttal prepared for each bad faith argument I expected to encounter. I wasn’t even sure I would enjoy the show, because I didn’t like Russian Doll and don’t care for EU/Legends… I just thought it was absolutely important that this endeavor be a success. I did end up watching every episode, but I had to bail on the discourse completely. It wasn’t even the bigots and misogynists that got to me; as a Missourian raised in the church, I have heard a lot of hate speech (though as a cishet white woman I have not often had it directed at me). It was the gleeful spewing of anti-Jedi venom by so-called fans who cannot abide a hero*. That Sithlatoxin proved to be much more difficult to filter out, and I’ve got no air to spare in praise of the Dark. So I will not be fighting the good fight for renewal of this series, but I do hope there will be future storytelling with different perspectives and more diversity on both sides of the camera.

@amaranthpaean 10 дней назад

*Yes, individual Jedi made mistakes, and yes, the Jedi as an organization failed the galaxy when they became overly dogmatic and allowed the Senate to make them their attack dogs. As you all pointed out, this is not a new concept in Star Wars, and it is increasingly important in the real world to hold the people in power to a higher standard. But that is what the Jedi as a whole do… they strive for peace and put the good of the galaxy above their own needs. Those lofty ideals require discipline and lifelong dedication, which is why they eschew attachment and start their training at a young age. They are not baby stealing autocrats who hate love.

@BrentSohlden 11 дней назад

There is truth to what Amandla said, the YT Algorithms gravitate toward toxicity, and she said some other true things. There's truth to what Theory and the D.A. said. Accounts like SW Santa and a Guy Who loves Star Wars need to multiply and flip the dynamic towards positivity. I still hope that they renew the show if enough people stream it and express their support for it.

@sanika9201 21 день назад

I guess greedy Disney was not interested in bringing new fans who never cared about star wars or lapsed causal fans like me who are tired of the fan-service nostalgia skywalkers and related character surface level Filoni and co are doing. In a way, I guess baby Yoda is prefect representation of crybabies fanboys/girls who want to fest on nostalgia, fan-service and empty characters that just look cool and can't handle anything new or nuanced. If that type of fans are the ones Disney wants to serve, great enjoy it.

@calvinpanho 23 дня назад

I'm sorry, but, as a gay man myself, i'm not rooting for a bad series (for me) just because it's inclusive! We live in an era of GREAT series with representation! We got 3 lovely seasons of Young Royals, a SWEDISH series... There were petitions asking for renewals and, in the end, they even ended up on Jimmy Fallon! We have Heartstopper, we had Love, Victor and Our Flag Means Death! We have Interview with the Vampire! I'll be rallying for an inclusive Star Wars series when the series is at least good... But... "get behind me because we're the sabe"???? No Way!

@AuntyKsTarot 22 дня назад

Let me guess - white gay man.

@Mondoness 16 дней назад

So we're just gonna throw genuine talent or merit out the window?

@calvinpanho 16 дней назад

@@Mondoness No, never! And the acolyte had like 2 or 3 great actors in it! But unless you get taller all around and make it to award season strong, then you need to justify the investment in viewing numbers. 180 million is a LOT of money for like 3,5 hours of content… Many 5 bucks podcast were watched more weekly than acolyte… At some point you have to stop throwing money away!

@Mickey-1994 16 дней назад

Exactly, these silly white liberals saying a show deserves support just for having female or poc as leads is beyond ridiculous. The 1980s and 90's did better with diversity in movies or shows because their identity was not the focus. Hollywood got off track in these last 10 years or so.

@SavageMoments956 16 дней назад

@@MondonessIf the show had genuine talent and merit it's viewership would have grown, not shrunk.

@AuntyKsTarot 22 дня назад

Thank you for recognizing that many of us lost a lot after waiting for the representation I. Star Wars. Acolyte did it the best. And the haters - I wish someone would explain to them Star Wars was always a woke story it just took the movie / tv industry to catch up and represent it that way.

@RoseDatocDall 18 дней назад

Jennifer, as a brown Filipino American girl, you echo my own childhood experience growing up in the 80’s, with my blond Barbie dolls. I felt invisible, other. It saddens me that there are loud, mobilized, racist voices in a community that I love, the Star Wars fan base. The implications of the non-renewal of the Acolyte does feel very much like 1 step forward, 3 steps back on social issues. I feel a pang of pain for Manny Jacinto, Lee Jung-jae, Amandala Stenberg and the whole cast. I hope they still feel pride in their performances.

@Mickey-1994 16 дней назад

boo hoo

@dfl7578 9 дней назад

Great comment. Thanks for sharing your experience.

@Mal-sg6zc 22 дня назад

I feel like there is one worthy point of comparison. The rug pull that Ken describes is pretty much how EU fans felt in the day.... Now granted there was *far more* than a seasons worth of content in the EU. But that feeling of loss and pain is definitely familiar to some star wars fans. Same feeling when other turn around and immediately talk about how shitty the EU is. I just hope the acolyte fans don't become as jaded and bitter as some EU fans did/are.

@phoenixr6811 23 дня назад

This unfortunate but not surprising 😞the company goes by ratings and that determines if show goes on not, if people don’t like it and or not watching the show on it’s air date and time it apparently doesn’t count. It’s doesn’t look like there will a continuing of Boba Fett or Kenobi either. If people don’t like the show the first time by all means the company is not going continue the show to “make it better” as I have seen some fans post. It doesn’t work like that. But in this case the acolytes had hated from the conception to the end and I have never show experience this.😮

@TK_Brainslug 23 дня назад

It's just business if it would been a normal network show it would have been canceled too if the ratings aren't there. I honestly think the episodes were too short They should at least have 45-50 minutes runtime netto not just roughly 30

@reshanner 23 дня назад

It became a target because it was a bad show, people didn't watch it because it was bad, and now it's canceled. Maybe Dis should watch HOTD and see how to make a compelling show.

@thegrahamdalorian185 23 дня назад

YOU think it’s bad, not everyone does. In fact a lot of people love it. You can have an opinion but it’s just that, an opinion. It’s when you declare your opinion as a universal fact that you cross the toxic line.

@reshanner 23 дня назад

@@thegrahamdalorian185 Right, my opinion is that it's bad, and apparently most people agree since it was canceled. Good shows normally get renewed, but not all the time, and I don't believe that's what has happened here. I feel bummed for people who wanted the story continued, but I blame Disney for not making a good show. I believe anyone can look and see that HOTD with HALF the budget of The Accolyte made a product 10 times better. No "hate" derailed HOTD because most people love it, and Accolyte didn't fail from "hate", most people just didn't like it.

@thegrahamdalorian185 23 дня назад

@@reshanner Every single person I follow or who follow me on Insta loved that show, flaws and all. YOU like HOTD, I don't, I find GoT to be rather stupid. The show wasn't canceled, it just wasn't renewed, same with Gina Carrano, she can claim she was fired but in fact her contract wasn't renewed. Oh and Disney didn't make Acolyte, Lucasfilm did, and considering the number of shows that don't even get out of development there it's obvious that Lucasfilm was very supportive of the show as it was. YOU didn't like it, that's fine, please remember that toxic line when you start to declare that everyone didn't.

@reshanner 23 дня назад

@@thegrahamdalorian185 if you want to blame "hate" for the show not being renewed that's cool, but I think that's redicilous. I have to assume that's what you're saying since you replied to my comment about online hate ending the show. Regardless, it matters not, the show is no more.

@Mickey-1994 16 дней назад

@@thegrahamdalorian185 Bro, the show bombed and stop making excuses.