The airplane I was going to buy crashed in front of me. 

Dangerous owner.

Reminds me of those car people that put a huge expensive engine in an old rust bucket with no air bags, no traction control, no stability control, no anti lock breaks, etc..

@@Sidicas who needs any of that garbage?

@@Sidicas everything you mentioned past the air bags is only a burden in a performance car. Or a necessity for a bad/mediocre driver ;) Great engine, structural integrity (not compromised by rusted fender), good suspension and brakes is all a good car (and driver) needs.

@@Sidicas None of which would cause a belly landing in an airplane.

This sort of stuff is exactly why I don't work in general aviation.

as a species, i think we're regressing to the point where soon we won't even be able to drive or fly.

@@toodlepop you are just the life of the party

They were ferrying the plane to get it fixed

A&Ps are mobile and can travel.

@@kushagramittal4275 It was on the ground with the problem. The decision was made by the owners to fly it, after the prospective buyer decided not to fly it. 0:50.

Real rocket surgery for some folks, ain’t it?

My rule is one reset.

Ya really. Did you hear him say he hit the prop on first go around? A litany of bad decisions.

He was desperate to sell it.

I'm currently selling a house. I'm responsible for a couple of inspections. I had dude out the other day and was telling him what I observed. He says it's nothing to worry about, but he could do this and that to fix it. I told him to do it, I want the new owners to be happy. It was like an extra $130. Anyway, as he's leaving, I said I would refer the new owners to him. He said great I should be hearing from them in a couple of months. LOL! He followed up by saying it's inevitable, like the property just says it liked the old owners better.

That gear should have a down and locked light, and a manual backup to get it down.

Aircraft jacks are expensive, and it's more fun to take it around the patch a couple times ... course the jacks are less expensive than plane they may have ruined. :(

pardon my ignorance, but does a belly landing / prop strike kill the engine as well?

I can't believe, even with the slim possibility of a gear collapse, the pilot didn't shut the engine off on short final, what a mistake, he could have saved the engine.

​@@adhdaf the cranks in these are notoriously fragile and if any bit of bad vibrations such as a prop strike it has to be inspected there are ways around but not really smart to do

@@bubbaman12289 not sure were you get your information from saying the "cranks in these are notoriously fragile" there is an AD on Lycoming engines that will require the removal of the accessory case after a prop strike/sudden stoppage to replace some accessory drive components, other than that dial the crank to make sure it is within limits (I would bet money that it is), put a new prop on, fix the sheetmetal and fly. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO DO AN ENGINE TEARDOWN

@@adhdaf No, that's a good question. When there is a prop strike the engine will need to be inspected for damage as non-design load is applied from the propeller through the crankshaft. This inspection process requires it to be disassembled and is essentially a rebuild of the engine. If this engine in the Mooney was a Lycoming IO-360 (what it had in 2023) it should run 2000 hours if well treated before needing an overhaul. 63 hours is hardly used at all. Also an overhaul, rebuilt engine, or new engine will run tens of thousands of dollars. Divide that by 2000 and it's one thing, divide the price by 63 an it's another.

I'm glad you posted, I was thinking this would be a situation where a special flight permit would be required. I just don't understand why someone would fly an airplane with gear issues. A very expensive mistake.

Lmao I walked myself right into that one 🤦‍♂️

@@SirDrifto’walked myself’ Love it!🥁

because they are desperate to offload that plane

OPS checking a major flight safety item before going flying? Nah that cost too much money just put some speed tape over the CB to hold it in.😂

**Captain obvious has joined the chat**

They were flying it to the mechanic. They shouldn't have messed with the gear during the relocation flight. That was their mistake.

​​ bruh you don't fly an un airworthy plane to the mechanic or anywhere else

@@gavinjenkins899 Rethink that one

Wouldn't insurance just not cover that due to illegality, thus not affecting your insurance?

My thoughts exactly, Juan.

@@gavinjenkins899 the insurance would need proof that they knew it was unsafe and illegal add to it the legal fight might cost more than the actual repair or write off.

you are so correct

the kid was proud of it LOL

Didn't destroy the plane just replace some skid patches and the prop. Most of FIX the gear issue.

it'll be a right bit more expensive to fix than if they'd bothered to just fix the landing gear in the first place, but the airplane is by no means destroyed. With the expensive avionics overhaul especially, they wouldn't wanna scrap it

@@Civ33 oh really you think? What about to severe damage to the bottom of the airframe and that prop strike constitutes an entire engine breakdown with good chance of overhaul.. good thing about insurance huh no wonder I pay so much a year for pilot insurance when frugal a/c owners cut any corner possible then hand it over to some unlucky bastard that gets to experience whatever he was building up to. People are morons even in the aviation world trust me.. one thing is for sure that aircraft will sit until the bank comes for the repo and all our insurance rates will go up another 800. Dumbasses.

Works everytime

Retract is so good, it even works on the ground!

Nothing is affordable about a gear up. Mandatory engine rebuild will be 30K and that will be cheaper than the belly work.

I have a M20C model with the J bar. No issues 😎👍

@jtocwru Fraudster?

​@@mrbmp09 That's my initial thought. That is some statistically significant "bad luck" and I'm sure his insurance companies' actuaries agree...

They just upgraded to a Q propeller, big reduction in noise 👍

Sense.

@@JoeGator23 Yes a play on words.

@@JoeGator23 I think you must be directly related to that “omicron0mega” dude that’s also in this comment section (possibly your father?). Just absolutely no awareness or understanding of what someone is saying. Truly incredible.

I think you're right about that.

I don't, this was completely the sellers fault.

It was hard to watch happen

I frankly think less damage would of happened. However the potential risk is the plane digging into the grass and flipping

@quinnjim How would you stop and prevent further windmilling?

@@mrbmp09 When you get slow enough, windmilling stops. Just bump the starter to get the prop horizontal.

Do you feel the Mooney gear system is reliable?

@@SirDrifto Absolutely. I'd call it one of the most reliable gear retraction systens out there. Like anything, though, its reliability depends on how well it is maintained. The systems are easy to keep up, but there are particulars that must be adhered to for continued reliability. Downlock tensions must be checked and, if necessary, adjusted at Annual Inspection. The older manual gear models have an AD on them about it. The newer models with electric drive have a recurring AD on the electric gear actuator that puts a life limit on the "no-back clutch" spring in the emergency extension system, and that's about the only other thing to keep up with besides the downlock tensions on those. Most important for maintenance of any aircraft is to find a mechanic who is familiar enough with them to be able to keep up with their particulars. A good many genav shops are being operated by guys who retired out of military/airline positions with enough bucks to open a shop but very little in-depth knowledge of small genav airplanes. A Type Club membership will give you the resources you need to locate a competent mechanic, and he needs to become one of your best friends. All these airplanes are getting old. Some are quite old. I consider membership in a Type Club to be a necessity when it comes to older airplanes, especially those that have been orphaned by their now-defunct manufacturers, and Mooneys are about as close to being orphaned as you can get. Facebook has several very good Type Groups as well. Good luck in your Mooney Quest! They're good airplanes, a little bit less costly than other complex cross-country airplanes. Except for the M20M TLS Bravo. High strung, high-flying, temperamental thoroughbred stallion of an airplane. I have been to 25,000 ft in a TLS Bravo. You knock one of the "o"s out of "Mooney" and you've got a better name for that one...

The first touch'n'go they had a prop strike.

@@paradoxicalcat7173 That's an awful decision, much worse than deciding to fly in the first place. Why would the pilot think that the landing gear would work any better on the next approach? How could he be sure that the engine and prop would keep working long enough to do a go around? He could have ended up doing a forced landing off the airport.

Johnson bar 1968?

@@SirDrifto no it is electric gear.

Turbo Commander 690

@@dr62220 thank you

There were a few. One I noticed was a V tailed Beechcraft Bonanza

@@dr62220 I thought it was an MU2 at first glance. Good eye

We're just finding that out now Especially on the F models

I put 2000 hours on an M20F and never had the first problem with the gear. This is the first gear collapse I've ever seen with a Mooney with electric gear, but I've seen several with Johnson Bars do that.

​@@bluemarblesciencecorrect and the FAA has issued an SAIB stating that gear maintenance is why these issues come about

@@gabekremer7148 I'm sure they may have, and it's about as useful as telling us rain makes the streets wet.

Lots of tire savings

You do have valid points!

@@SirDrifto You could probably flip that Mooney. I liked it when you said "I'll give you twenty grand for it right now".

Im 6'3 and fit very well in a mooney. Infact a bonanza is uncomfortable as hell. I'm also a mechanic. Working on a mooney is way easier than anything on a bonanza. Been doing it for 20 years.

@@gabekremer7148 I’m less than 6’ tall but I have very sharp elbows 😁

I came to the comments to say just that except I'd make a deal to have it all done through insurance. An engine swap new prop and proper paint on the belly or upgrade to new paint overall of my choosing at a discount from the original negotiation because it now has dammage history. Sign the purchase and sale agreement contingent on the repairs.

Negative, under part FAR 91 and 43 app.D

@@jumpinjack1 This is where you are wrong. READY ? 43D states "(2) Systems and components-for improper installation, apparent defects, and unsatisfactory operation." So how do you do that? by looking at it and guessing it looks good? NO Regulations state the A&P and I/A must use the CURRENT Manufactures Maintenace manual. NOW FAA regulation Notice 8110.117A, under section 17 states that even if a SB is not related to an AD, and it stipulates changes to the continued airworthiness documents, then IT IS mandatory. for continued airworthiness inspections. . For your information the SBM20-344 I gave states " MAINTENANCE- (Refer to applicable latest FAA Approved Service and Maintenance Manual for your model) " THAT my friend invokes the rule that the ANNUAL procedure of HOW you determine the aircraft is certifiable for continued airworthiness have changed in the maintenance manual and go GET THEM. . The SB even states so in SBM20-344, IF YOU READ IT,, It states what the SB effects, and one of them is " d. Landing Gear Maintenance Annual/Inspections (gear lubrication, rigging, new hardware, properly shimmed, emergency extension). " This is because the update to the maintenance manual they made changes what and how you determine is safe operation for the annual. You are not as smart as you think you are. Don't worry you are not alone, Many people make the same mistake you make, these people did and it got them. . Typical Thinking 43 is the only rule for annuals. They get you in a round about way. By changing what the process and conditions are for approved continued airworthiness Maintenace and retuning to service. Wake up

@@josephkaminski1857 Yes I read your book and admire your enthusiasm on FAR regulation in 'your' interpretation but you lost me on "you are not as smart as you think you are. Don't worry you are not alone,..." You don't know me and I don't know you but apparently your steamed about something. Remind me to never take an annual to your shop because I might as well take it apart for parts right then and there to cover your expenses. Dragging this vid into your S/B hallucination is a bit far fetched. This Mooney I believe has a chainsaw style one way ratcheting gear down cord that could have been used and possibly have prevented this failure and that was a judgement call on the 'PIC' as he has the final say on airworthiness. Take a breather and go get a beer.

@@jumpinjack1 §91.409 (a)1 invokes the use of part 43 in all annuals...Part 43.13(a) Which invokes the mandatory use of CURRENT Manufacturer Maintenance manuals, or instructions of continued airworthiness in all annuals. Even in the exception stated in. 43.16 (a) you have to use the current maintenance manual inspection of continued airworthiness instructions. .THEREFORE, Any SB that changes the Maintenance manual inspection for continued airworthiness is mandatory in a annual. ALL annuals. Even people at the FAA get this wrong. Infact many high ups do. The FAA has old web pages the misapply regulations of Service bulletins. AOPA gets it wrong they all do. . They ALL say SB can only be mandatory if called out in AD or thru a IBR or a ICA but then fail to explain to readers HOW trough this path of a updated maintenance manual an ICA actually happens. This is the path of how it can be mandatory to do a SB. A maintenance manual update or a ICA revision.

Looking at a M20R now. I totally agree. I think it was a maintenance issue.

I own an ARROW II, its my first aircraft, and 10 years later I still enjoy the plane. BUT, i think I have spent more time learning about MOONEYS than any other aircraft during the time that I have owned my Arrow.

Actually with the Bonanza’s it’s the pilots. Mostly doctors and lawyers who have money but don’t fly enough. The Bonanza has the most robust gear system out of all in its category. If you hand crank it in case of an emergency there is no way it can collapse like this.

@@SirDrifto Go O! 😃

@@kushagramittal4275 I like Bonanzas a lot, but a Mooney wing will take at least 12.3 Gs and the wing will still stay on. Some of the rivits will pop, but the main spar will hold the wing on. Ask me how I know.

They flew it and that was fine. The mistake was they flew it AGAIN after the ferry, and that's when they f*ked it.

Hide this video!

Eff No. Screw the owners. They went ahead with the test flight hoping everything would hold just so they could sell it and walk away from it. They ought have had it PM'd or let the price be very low for unknown condition. And with the breaker already popping, the condition is less than good.

⁠​⁠@@n085fsbro did you watch the video? They found the issue with the inspection and even flew it down to this airport to fix the gear problem for them. You don’t know when the plane flew last, it could’ve been sitting for a while or just had a bad landing between inspections so the owners didn’t catch it until the pre-buy inspection. Not everyone is trying to screw over everyone they meet and I’m sorry that seems to be your experience.

Why? Why should we as the Mooney Community pay for this mistake? Obviously this gear has not been properly inspected!

@@captnmack747 Or the aircraft community in general. Premiums are going through the roof and lifelong pilots are getting forced out due to the increases.

I’m guessing others didn’t get the joke. lol 😂

@@griam7641 It's OK to function at a higher level.

Whole heartedly agree 👍

At least you can go through everything. And you probably got a better price too.

@@SirDrifto the overall price including the repair is higher than the purchasing price would have been. I have added a few upgrades, but overall, I am questioning my decision simply because shops are not reliable. Missing the offer by more than 50% and everybody keeps telling me that would already be good...

he said he tried cranking it down, it was too stiff and did not lock. Plus he took off with it, and never raised the gear. And had pulled the breakers that would have done it automatically (i think)