They were simply beaten by a better team. Why is everyone so surprised ? Its good that we now have teams that can bet the Bok's and All Blacks. This comes from a All Black fan. Gone are the days were we just turned up. I think its great for the game.
@@stevenbissett I'm Argie and it's a mix bag. We do care about Rugby, because it's a popular sport in the Provinces and with Private Schools. Same happens with girls and Field Hockey where we are a Power House. At the same time, we still are AMATEUR in Rugby, but we are turning Pro everyday more to maybe a point of no return, that would more than probably end making us better. Also just think that in the past, even being absolutely amateur, we had players of the caliber of Porta, Pichot, Juan Martin Hernandez, so the talent Pool seems will always be there, in some way it's an equivalent of NZ, Australia or South Afrika being amateur in Soccer/Football while producing constantly since ages Pro Elite players, so we always had that to compete even with the lack or regular competitions and not having a Pro preparation.
@laureanoalfaro9351 In my opinion, the main factor in the rise of success of lesser nations is the exportation of Kiwi coaching talent. Even South Africa has employed a Kiwi (Tony Brown) to teach their back line how to play. I would like to see eligibility criteria apply to coaches as well as players. That would see a lot of teams put back in their box. Starting with Ireland.
They were out played by better smarter team. Don't take it so seriously , its just a game. You should learn to enjoy it. Appreciate the fact they were out played by a better team.
What would you prefer them say. Ian foster had way more PC responces than this coaching group. The reality is we are rebuilding and we will lose games. This loss was unexpected, but the team just got outplayed and made stupid errors.
@joshhudson7413 we've been "rebuilding" since the end of the 2015 RWC. We just don't have the cattle currently. The majority of this lot just can't adapt to the pressure and cut throat nature of test rugby.
Learning the hard way that there's a vast difference between test rugby and super rugby. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that of all the club rugby competitions, super rugby is the one that is the furthest removed from test rugby.
If that's true, then Aust and NZ should lose most of their test matches until Super Rugby disappears. Somehow, I don't think both teams will do that. Personally, I hope both don't, but let's talk about this comment again at the end of the Northern tour.
It's one loss 😅 Did you actually think they'd win the championship with back to back wins and 0 losses 😂😂😂 Our forward pack didn't perform and we got man handled by Argentina. But we need these lessons to evolve, from losses comes depth and an understanding of how test level is completely different from Super rugby
@@SamzM429i dont think anyone expected that especially going for two tests away in SA however there has been very little if any sign that this group is evolving and lets be fair, argentina did a number on us and if it werent for their ill discipline in the first 20 it could have been a whole lot worse.
This was the most vague and pointless speech I have heard from a 'coach' after a game. Not a single actual aspect of the game was mentioned. Phrases like: 'the quality of our skillset' 'the execution of our goals' the 'components of the game, our synergy' and 'learnings' mean absolutely nothing. If that's how they talk to the players, when the realities of a game consist: of tactics at the breakdown, tactics at lineouts, tactics in backline passing and positioning, tactics getting out of your own half, tactics when kicking, etc, etc, then no wonder the players look lost. The man sounded like a management manual, not a sports coach.
This staff coaching will be sacked fast.. bad appointment by fédération nz. But jamie Joseph vern cotter are under contract with fédération nz. Good news to replace them.
first words from scott henson " honest review , honest Conversations..." at the end of the 2nd test against the argies , AB's won 42 - 10 , Well done Scott Henson, keep up the good work , keep doing what your doing Mr Scott Henson as you contribute to making AB's a better unit with your clear messaging to the boys
irst words from scott henson " honest review , honest Conversations..." at the end of the 2nd test against the argies , AB's won 42 - 10 , Well done Scott Henson, keep up the good work , keep doing what your doing Mr Scott Henson as you contribute to making AB's a better unit with your clear messaging to the boys
Yes. Compare that to how Andy Farrell reacted to Irelands loss in the 1st SA test. He ripped into the team and said they were nowhere near good enough and that their performance wasn't acceptable. He dropped the captain, made a couple of changes and Ireland won, even thought they were short a few key players. The NZ coaching staff seem to be walking on eggshells.
@@PB22559Well, after the players begged the nzru to keep fozzie, maybe these arrogant players think they know better. It’s been several seasons of learnings… methinks maybe they’re all just a bit thick
fascinating to me is how differently the springboks see their losses and therefore answer questions like these. this sounds very first dimension, including the language. technical, transactional, as if they’re running an industrial era machine …
@@user-rg7wc7qf9y He's nowhere near the halfback we need. I see what Scott was doing, but it hasn't worked, so bite the damn bullet and drop him. Worst case scenario is that doesn't do much either and we'll have to wait for Roigaard next year. He's talking about backing players, back Ratima and let him learn
Wish they would drop the corporate jargon BS and just call it how it is. The performance was simply not good enough, there’s no excuses for it. The selection axe needs to be swung as we will get thumped in SA if we play like that again
@@ryansmith2553 no disagree these guys are who we have and they need to learn how to cope with northern hemisphere styled Rugby. We always talk ourselves up but yeah a big concern
@@brentsergent1579Northern hemisphere rugby IS how the AB's used to play. It was coached out of them over a long period of time, to the point where we've ended up with "Super SLOPPY Rugby/basketball" & no forwards to write home about. All the major nations in rugby that are playing good rugby, have great forward packs, SA, Ireland, France, etc... THEY are playing like traditional AB teams of old. NZ has lost its way big time...
@@stephenbaylis6743thats exactly what Ive always thought, the off loading forwards and strong and expansive rugby in the north is exactly how the NZ teams of old played. Its like we exported our Rugby Knowledge but left none for ourselves.
It’s all about juggling balls, building blocks, structure, activation, execution, synergy, intent, engagement, channels, and the boy’s looking in the mirror.
first words from scott henson " honest review , honest Conversations..." at the end of the 2nd test against the argies , AB's won 42 - 10 , Well done Scott Henson, keep up the good work , keep doing what your doing Mr Scott Henson as you contribute to making AB's a better unit with your clear messaging to the boys , I think the boys understood all that they said ... give this new outfit some time , if after a year they don't perform then there is reason to doubt , just saying bro.
Staff coaching pure fake which sale illusion but attention not for long time. Top coaches with international expérience wait the job : Jamie Joseph Vern cotter
You have to laugh at the irony of the rugby world’s greatest brand. We built a reputation through wordless deeds and action, now we’ve become the biggest talkers in the rugby world, got more in touch with our feelings and identity, grown those learnings like a garden full of weeds. These players have shone at all the preceding levels, so they’re unlikely to be lacking ability. And yet as the All Blacks they look a poorer team every time the list of buzzwords gets a new addition. There’s a lot of energy going into marketing the idea there’s a lot of thinking involved (“process”, “review”, “core roles”, “Skills going forward”, “identifying opportunities to respond”, “Themes”). On the field they simply look a poor team, either lacking an understanding of how they will play as a unit, or being uncomfortable doing so.
McCaw would have gotten stuck into his teammates during the game and lead them to battle. There is none of that with this team, they look like they’re doing a bare minimum to keep their job like a 9 to 5’er.
Should anyone be surprised that Razor and Co are struggling with the pace and tactics of international footy given their combined lack of experience at this level? Goes without saying we were outplayed by the Pumas but more worringly, we were completely out-coached.
Hi Here as a Springbok fan...New Zealand Rugby as a whole are such hypocrites. They first argue that they want less scrums in the game as there is apparently no flow and that time is being wasted. Now they wanted more scrums to have taken part in their previous game. Make up your minds!!! This is what you get if you attack the way South Africa plays the game and constantly changing the rules to suit you. New Zealand and Australia and becoming teams no one fears anymore, especially coming from the Springboks 😂
Yep you’re probably right in what you say with the rules but write us off and you may well get touched up as has happened in the past .. That said we are far from a force but time will tell ..Rome wasn’t built in a day as they say
@@stephenbaylis6743 But the fact of the matter is that you still couldn't beat us in a final mate. Can't wait for you guys to come to SA for 2 games. We will show you guys how to play rugby!!
In all the staff , there are 3 assistants : defense attack forwards In the razor staff , it is the army 12 monkeys . Why Holland McDonald rubbish coaches ?? Only Wayne head coach performance becomes assistant attack. Too messages to learn for players
He is head coach performance in the staff . In principe , he must challenge the coaches . He comes to training and he makes his hands if it is not good in the training. For me , he must become assistant attack ! What he can challenge with 2 clowns like holland McDonald ??
Suspect the ABs underestimated the power of Argentina. They are a serious rugby team. Know for sure the Springboks always show full respect to those boys....
He makes perfect sense to me dude, first words from scott henson " honest review , honest Conversations..." at the end of the 2nd test against the argies , AB's won 42 - 10 , Well done Scott Henson, keep up the good work , keep doing what your doing Mr Scott Henson as you contribute to making AB's a better unit with your clear messaging to the boys
@@DrissZyanisorrybutyourtimeisfi yup, let’s see if he starts making changes to his lineup. Foz was forced to and it worked. As previous comments I don’t see a game plan from the ABs.
This coaching group talk in riddles and it all sounds like word salad BS tbh... bring back Fozzie who always left you wanting to hear more. This guy in comparison just doesn’t shut up.
Nothing against TJ, but using another 9 would be sorting out half of your issues and personally I think focus on your defense, nothing wrong with the ABs attack but they leaking too many soft points remember defense win you cups... R. Van Heerden
talk the talk and walk the walk!!! There is a problem with the selection for the long term journey. There will be a lot of changes after a couple of defeats in SA
Strategy should be that the head coach have the game plan and even a plan B and C and those under him see that those ideas are practiced/ rehearsed. The Arg game in my opinion was lost due to lack to adapt and play what's in front of you, poor scrum half performance and basic passing and line out throw errors.
Amazing to see how people are turning on Razor and his team so quickly. I backed Foster in his era and I back Razor now. Progress should be measured over a period of time, not by 4 games.
@@bokudesu3280the ab's also did lose to the same team in 2020 & 2022 in the lead up to that 44-6 result.it's a new coaching staff with new players as well.Another 4 year cycle with the Bigger picture being the Rugby World Cup.It's only been there third game,it’s too early to be really critical about them.
@@manoamatairavula9989the problem is that we dont see improvement and we see the foster system. I dont think that razor took good assistants like the 2 clowns holland McDonald. And their players selection squad is discutable. Players forgotten : sotutu lakai iose isaac walkere..better than players in the squad
@@manoamatairavula9989the différence is schmidt in the staff foster. We dont see new schmidt in the staff razor except wayne Smith if he becomes his assistant attack.
The problem is Scott overated by the Crusaders supporters.... Scott has ZERO international coaching experience and the current ABs will be the worst... Ian Foster is way better 😀 😄
Would have a revised back field for the Pumas, Get these guys where they play best 9-Ratima 10-Barret 11-Ioane 12-ALB 13-Proctor 14-Telea 15-J Barret Subs-Jordan, Dmac, Hotham I think a Captain who can be vocal is needed not just leading by example there is no galvanisation when it's going tits up
You see it, I see it, every schoolboy player and coach sees it.. but apparently when you coach a national team you have to be different and apply some whacked out theories about why we should pick inferior players and play them out of position. Mind blowing stuff.
Jordie no good at 12 he a better full back hence why Reiko looks dull. And don't put Reiko on the bench again put him on the wing at least for Christ sake. Beuden at 10 Or give harry Plummer a run and start ratima TJ is to slow he better off bench
Seriously, time to accept that you are just not the best team in the world anymore, you are just one of the top teams. Playing rugby against yourselves in Super rugby is not how you progress. South Africa in the URC and European cup paying dividend's, with all the International competition against the best teams in the world, with such different styes. S.A. going forward, NZ. going backwards. You should have made Schmitt head coach, obviously it was him and not Foster who brought the team to the hights at the WC. Razor a club rugby coach, out of his dept.. Argentina deserved the win, they were better and did their homework.
Don't confuse fans with supporters! Fans are only here when they win, but true supporters, support win or lose! We need losses to build depth and any supporter knows that takes time, it takes losses and takes the team to a place where they can evolve. We have become to comfortable with the same style for years and the fact is the rest of the world has caught up, it's now up to the coaches and players to adapt the mindset of test level and forget super rugby as we all know test level is a completely different beast. All in all congratulations to Argentina they played brilliantly and it's up to us to learn from this and work toward more depth
@@SamzM429 This is all true and also nothing new. As a supporter you’d know we have been in this particular position for foo long. We’ve played the same style for far too long. This new coaching staff have talked themselves up in a big way, let’s see if they can deliver a game plan first. You’re correct this will take some time to fix as it’s a mess.
One thing I don't understand is that for a team that lost at the Rugby world cup final how could they npt have used that to motivate and tp put that behind them to get the win
I know the "honest and open" NZR staff are trained to treat the media and public like mushrooms but SH adds the dreaded corporate speak. Wonder why the public is losing interest?
ABs will come back. Lost alot of experience after the world cup. Alot of inexperienced players blooded as a result. 3 wins 1 loss. 75%, not a disaster I'd say. Argentina were phenomenal but the ABs withstood the challenge until the last stages of the game. I'd imagine there will be changes for the 2nd test. I'd say Jordy Barrett, Blackadder, TJ, DMac and Reese will lost their starting positions. ABs have been in a hole since Foster took over. Gonna take a while to dig their way out of it but Razor will do it. He's done it before and he'll do it again
you hit the nail on the head. AB's lost some cornerstones in players like Smith, Retallick and Whitelock. These players were battle hardened and extremely experienced. There's a significant drop off to TJ Perenara and the inexperienced locks like Darry and Vaa'i. In hindsight it turnes out that the harsh criticism of Ian Foster was unjustified. He actually did a great job as headcoach.
@@DrissZyani-bu5mo agree there ! Fozzy did well under the circumstances he was presented in ! Razor has been given the red carpet treatment! Time to deliver 😊
@@DrissZyani-bu5mo Foster only won that match because the then coach of South Africa decided to make changes to the team that demolished NZ the week before. But hey, don't let facts get in the way
Gobbledygook… these men need to into games prepared for war, seemed to me the first 10 was a raging blue forward pack beating,bullying, in the face up the nicely groomed men in black…
Nothing worse for coaches and Captains to give these interviews after an unexpected loss. The expectations amongst the fans of the top 5 teams are ridiculous considering it's only a game. The All Black fans are so used to winning and think this should be the status quo in perpuity and are probably the most unrealistic of the lot.
I dont know man.. With the coaching staff that this side has, the AB's still looked short of ideas to combat.the rush defense of the Puma. Having had that defense recently with England, where were the improvements.? Argentina look solid as a group and very cohesive in attack. Combined with their passion, they're gonna.feel confident about their game plan and its success. Hope Razor and all the staff can address.the issues in.a week..
Is it me or is it my imagination that Ardie is not playing with the dominant force he was last year. Hès not playing his beast and brutal game. Is that something to do with his shift to Moana Pasifika? I love Ardie and if he's punishing defenses the All Blacks go good. Respect to Argentina.
Thank you RugbyPass for the added content with Tungafasi. The ABs hadn't posted that one - only you guys. But why was it just a single vid? Could you have broken it up into the 2 different interviews? Cheers
A smart team wanting more scrums, will not play the knock on advantage, especially in your own half. If NZ had super rugby, then what competition do the Pumas play in now?
Once upon a time the All Blacks came out laser focused and aggressive for all games. I’m not sure if we’ve seen them send the opposition backward in the tackle or clean them off a ruck since Ritchie retired. Plenty of tackling but it’s soft.
Mentally weak. They need some old AB hardmen to come in & do some real "mentoring". Maybe someone like Frank Oliver, "a no nonsense" forward type.......
How many times did he say the words learnings conversations ?? I suspect that he visited the Foster school.. so no good signal Players really learnt ?? We will see Saturday ! We always wait to see the new playbook ! I don’t feel this staff coaching and their cycle won’t be long . Jamie Joseph vern cotter wait the job in the room.
@@DrissZyanisorrybutyourtimeisfiFoster school😂 Name an All Blacks coach that has had a documentary made about himself BEFORE he starts coaching? This is the brand new error of Razor and it’s all on him.
honest review , good conversations , , quality of our skillsets, synergy , they are men you let them feel it there is hurt there engagement , awful tripe
The AB’s are split into small groups with their own coaching staff, however it appears their is a lack of coordination between these smaller groups and coaches. The is also the fact that contracted players won’t be dropped because NZR don’t have the money to replace out of form players, so the just persevere with what they’ve got regardless.
Its twice now that new coaching group said they need to prepare better. Have serious doubt from the start apart from Ryan that the rest are not international ready.
W've heard the All Blacks is the best team in the world, best players in the world, get all the top money and the attention, SERIOUSLY??? You've let the country down. The ABs should have a look at Dame Lisa Carrington and learn from her, she doesn't get all the money and the attention that she deserves but she won't let the country down. Get over yourselves.
Can't blame it all on the players. They each have something special & dynamic, that's why they're chosen but as soon as the coaches muffle them with their non working setplays then they lose their shine! Coaches need to utilise the players strengths, put them in the right positions & give them several game plans to suit what's happening on the field. Train them in a way that uses the guys strengths & to know the oppositions weaknesses to know how counteract them. Razor spends too much time playing tv superstar coach and trying to be likeable but not concentrating on his coaching!!!
a game plan would a long way, 🙄 learning this and learning that.. these boys are ready have been all year, the only ones who are learning here are all those coaches!
I can’t see how they can turn it around in 7 days if they do then it would be great but loosing on Eden Park could be Razors undoing The Pumas can smell blood and it could be KIWI on the BBQ 🍖
@@sox7784Last saturday, all blacks gave them the match by stupid mistakes that they can fix. They must change players. This squad players selection is bad. Many players were forgotten : sotutu lakai iose akira...
Foster V2.0 'learnings, synergy, honest review etc". We lost tgo them last year at home! How much motivation do you guys need? Eden Park's record is at risk.
Defence coach is not good enough... where is the blah blah blah when Ian Foster was coaching the ABs... the current coaches are hopeless... Im expecting Agentina to win again...
This is a classic example of paralysis of analysis ! It seems the emphasis is about owning and taking responsibility. Maybe inadvertently players are not feeling comfortable playing when the environment and performance is so intently scrutinized. I mean who wants to play under that type of regime.
Time to face it. Super Rugby isnt spitting out world class players like it used to. While comps in other parts of the world are prepping players for test rugby. There are too many players that are not smart enough under pressure. Skill execution, under pressure, has been an issue since 2019.
Small adjustments, a few positional changes and boom AB's beat Argies by 40 points but its still masks the real problem - 7 to 8 players are not up for this level of rugby
For me is not about playing superrugby look Argentina they don't have a big club club rugby competition and they play hard rugby they play with passion all black rugby passion and flair is not there like the days of richie mcaw he was not big but play like every game is the last
I'm definitely not a fan of picking my mates to coach the all blacks but I do like Scott Hanson if they just pick the very best player in his best position only none of this everyone's got to play two positions bullshit
Too many information going around seems to be confusing how team are supposed to play. They look lost sometimes especially defence and then we wanna throw it away by kicking it let alone the predictable box kicks smh
- Kick-off receptions/Exiting the 22 - Kicking game in no-mans land. Making kicks contestable. - Tries vs penalties: kicking to the corner instead of points. - Ruthless mentality vs Offering too much respect
I've heard alot about "learnings". When are you going to translate the learnings into the actual game? Are you focusing on the lack of mental strength and composure? It stands out like dogs balls. We have the talent, but not the belief. Install belief and composure and you'll see us start to turn back to the days of old. My 2 cence.
Doesn’t Argentina have a new coaching staff this year? They haven’t gone backwards, in fact they have progress even more. This All Black team has gone backwards. Where’s the toughness, wheres the Mana. I can’t watch this All Black at the moment.
To be honest the level of expectations from NZ is pretty toxic when it comes to the All Blacks. Like the boys start performing on the level of every other international team a few games and they get scrutinised like be realistic, even champions have to lose every now and then that’s how growth is actually made
Synergy Schminergy….. let the boys play!! If they were anymore synergised they’d be Siamese 🤦🏽♂️ Complicating a simple game which even the new rules favour us from a speed standpoint. Enough lovey dovey fluffy care talk. We lookin lost. Make the obvious player changes and let’s play with flare pace and purpose
chuurrrr das why dey lost ...so they can earn the OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND .... meeeeeean coaching, no one thinks like that aye ..... well i never thought of it, but chuuurrrr...clever kaaaarnts...fkn on to it ...
Mils got it right on The Breakdown Rugby Show. Apart from that, too much un-qualified hype-up and fan-fare usually has a leveller; and this is it. 'It' will not be the last time 'it' happens.
