I have a 3rd Gen Forester XT, 1.3” Ironman lift springs with bilstein shocks, all around skid plates, 15” method wheels with 28” AT tires. There’s MY Forester Wilderness 😎.
Probably better than this one. Better power, Better wheels. I don't even think you can use 15" wheels on this last generation, and that is what you need more than all that other stuff. Higher profile larger diameter tires on smaller wheels aired down beats a lot of other features. It is a MISS for both of the Wilderness that they can only go down to 17's although they do have nice diameter tires. Databyter
@@dm273 THere are TONS of great offroad vehicles with automatic Transmissions. The Subaru problem is not really a CVT problem, it is an underpowered problem because the torque vectoring system is a very lossy compromise over a true 4x4 with locking differentials and the gearing and engines have been underpowered for the harder stuff with that combination. Even if they had been regular automatics instead of CVT's you would still run out of power with the older torque vectoring. The XT's help with that, the Newer CVT's help with that. The lower final gears help with that. If you are a technical offroader you are better off with an automatic of some kind with a torque converter over a manual transmission unless you have a dedicated low range with worm crawling gears. Otherwise you will be burning up clutches left and right, and personally if I was doing technical stuff, Id rather have an auto. Since Im just a softroader, Id be happy with either manual or auto, but ONLY if there was a low range. If not, you need a torque converter.. Pretty much everyone knows this. Databyter
@@dm273 I have a 2003 Outback with dual range and L series low gears swap, lift, tyres, snorkel, upgraded centre and rear LSDs, bumper mods, snorkel ans wrx buckets, crawls up anything 😎
Subaru nailed it with this one. The lower gearing for the gnarly bits will be huge for off-roading Subaru enthusiasts. The cvt has always been a Subaru’s biggest weakness off road.
Yes, but this Wilderness has less clearance and a less powerful power plant than the Outback version, which is disappointing. Still the right direction tho. But I would have expected the lack of XT options on the Crosstrek Wilderness version, NOT the Forester,
@@K_H-Channel I completely agree with you on NA due to reliability vs turbo, however, most fans were hoping for a turbo due to bigger NA no longer being an option due to poor gas mileage and emissions. I'm afraid even Toyota is getting rid of their NA V8s on full size vehicles and V6s on mid size and opting to outfit them with turbos. I'd kill for a NA V6 on the Subies.
Obviously this is gonna sell regardless. But every Subie owner who has had a Forester XT wishes this came with a turbo and more HP or an option to buy an XT model. Makes no sense to put it in an Outback but not a Forester. I'll be keeping my '15 XT until they make a new XT.
@@tony232cool tbh they have a much better quality interior now. And the outback got really great engine, which is no doubt would be good to have as an option on forester.
@@miltonfang Yup I'm keeping mine til it won't drive anymore. Definitely hoping they eventually bring back an XT or Turbo option for Foresters. It's nice to have that power in certain circumstances for sure.
Yea it is too bad they don't put the 2.4 T in there and actually add a single speed low range gear shift within the transmission for driving off-road and bypassing the CVT.
I love where this is going! It looks really cool, and has some fantastic options! Starting to want a Forester newer than 08 now... just need to bring back the turbo, and preferably a hood scoop! 🤘
@@moisesojeda1085 Because they removed the hood scoop in my opinion. The gen 3 forester and older models, were bad ass in XT version, the newer ones were boring. If they would bring back the hood scoop and slap a 2.4T on it, I am sure many will buy.
Yeah and it would never come to america guaranteed. Sad they didnt make the wilderness a sti or xt atleast. Ill stick with my 03 forester for now without all that new tech stuff.
@@kisong1960 I own a STI and know a number of people who own WRX/STI’s. They are not models designed to sell high volume, they are halo models. Get them in door with the STI, sell them sport or Touring, etc.
Was originally looking into the outback wilderness but decided to order this over it. The power isn’t so important to me as the visibility you get from the forester, can’t wait to see the next wilderness that gets revealed!
right! on the old ones it was easy to add your own hitch the later versions have so much electronic wiring I wouldn't trust anyone to add a hitch except Subaru and then it's 3x the price.
@@WaldemarPerezJr Subaru has decades of experience with their turbocharged boxer engine in the Impreza WRX & STi, the older Forester XT, and other Subaru models since then. Turbocharging is nothing new to Subaru.
as an owner of 1999 turbo forester, i would say this is awesome car. But new subaru's haven't that charisma, which had old models. Now they just good modern cars.
@@ur12cujo The Crosstrek is lighter and will likely use the same 2.5L NA motor as the Forester W, so the performance should be pretty decent compared to the Forester even without a turbo.
@@ur12cujo That would be crazy, but not likely. I was NOT expecting them to not offer it on the Forester tho. Regarding the Crosstrek, it is much lighter and now has a larger engine choice. If they lowered the final gear, as they would as standard in the Wilderness Line so far, it would be all you needed. And likely would be the most capable and fun of ALL the Wilderness versions if you could outfit it with 15" wheels and larger tires. You CAN'T do that with the Outback version unfortunately, and tires make the biggest difference of ALL the mods. They did outfit the Outback Wilderness with the smallest wheel that would fit, which is an improvement, and the tallest tire. But we were hoping for a taller profile tire capability, or bigger wheel wells for even larger 30" tires on 17's which would be a workable compromise. You really need a taller tire with more air capacity for challenging offroad situations, especially sand or rocks. I think you CAN go down to 15's on the crosstrek, so with lower final gear and even a standard motor, that would be a nice combo for softroading fun. Databyter
When Ford revealed the Bronco, the whole video was just a bunch of CG. When Subaru does it, and for a Forester no less, it's the fuckin' business! I'm already waiting in line to replace my '19 Sport!
@@ericdavisii3912 Have a look at this modding video. Looks like pretty good aftermarket kit for your car. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aTiqoysf-lc.html&lc=z23lihljhp3pzhaxt04t1aokgztdytetnsaijrnnfp1rrk0h00410 The author is also very responsive and would probably help you locate the sources for the parts.
@@ericdavisii3912 Aftermarket, especially offroad-related options, are a big part of the reason I just sold my '15 Fozzie. There's just not much out there, and what there is generally is pricey.
Doesn't need a turbo. Doesn't need a 6 cylinder. You have to remember, the people who buy Foresters buy it for its practicality, mpg, and safety. Subaru knows what its doing. Edit: Most off-road suv and trucks are mall crawlers. Subaru will look good either way.
That’s what im saying lol. I have the 21 crosstrek sport, and its ‘only’ got 180hp, and that to me is perfect. Ive gone off-roading on it plenty of times, it has no issues on-road, and off-road
I have a 2020 forester touring and I think it has plenty of power. When I pass someone on the highway it has enough power. If you want fast people should get the WRX or BRZ.
But the Forester Wilderness gives up quite a bit of mpg. I'm reserving judgement until I experience what the loss of 5mpg highway (!) gains us in acceleration terms. The revised gearing seems to be very aggressive given the big mpg hit. It may somewhat transform the sluggish Forester for those craving more power.
Design doesn't disappoint nor impress. They could have given the forester some sequential turn signals or something to keep it a little relevant in the design department.. Turbo would had been really great had they given that option. Ah well, will wait for 2023 model then. Hopefully, they will listen to the input from the vast many.
Really needs a turbo and both Wilderness models should have an eLSD on the rear axle. The 3K tow limit is interesting though especially with the 2.5 NA
Proves that the CVT on previous years and non wilderness were the limiting factor on towing capability being caped at 1500 lbs. So the TR508 CVT. Overall I love my Forester but if I'm towing something for a long period like a trip no way I do it in a Forester. Needs more power.
I'm not sure an eLSD will do much in a single speed transfer case vehicle that a good brake based traction enhancement vehicle with lowered gearing won't do. eLSD equipped 2WD pickups are about as useless as open diff 2WD pickups off road.
Dear Subaru, Please keep your ego in check. You are a Japanese company! Forester is a good value for money SUV with surprising capabilities. Unfortunately, it is not a rock crawler due to the CVT gear ratio being to high for climbing step hills. This has been proven many times. Mentioning baby Bronko shows disrespect for phisics and mathematics. Bronko has a conventional torque conved AT with lower gear ratio and decent AWD as well. This Forester trim is great. It should be available five years ago, but better late than never. Great job! :) I'm a happy Forester 2021 e-boxer owner. The car does what I expected it to do. If Subaru does a decent job and stays with the usability first product, my next car will be Subaru as well. I just need a good AWD unibody SUV with no nonsense gimmicks. Subaru does that very well. I'm a fan. Again, great job. Now it's time to offer the same transition as in Crosttreck hybrid to other models. It doesn't have to be plugin. Make sure there is Outback, Levorge and Ascent hybrid available as well. Offer Ascent hybrid outside of North America. It's a decent vehicle.
98% of people will never be in a rock crawling situation. I've driven all over the states blm land mountain roads beaches etc and I've never needed to switch into 4wd. just saying! this is more than capable for 98% of people with reliability due to the lack of turbo and fuel economy due to the lack of rock crawlernesmsss
Been waiting for this reveal and had planned on trading in for this model, but very disappointed that no turbo is mentioned and will just have to keep what I currently have. I’m no longer optimistic about the next wilderness models.
A turbo would give you back the power/speed you lose at altitude. In the Colorado mountains you absolutely can tell a difference in naturally aspirated engines and turbos, especially climbing up a hill.
Does the vehicle you are trading in have a turbo? Substantially more power and torque per unit of weight? Equal or lower gearing? As sophisticated electronic traction aids?
@@letsgobrandon7799 yea we have a deposit on an outback touring XT and were waiting with hope to see if Subaru would give us the good stuff. Il stick with my 05 XT 5MT until something better comes along, wifey gets the touring XT outback.
Ok as a former forester owner, I’ve got a few things to say. First off, I loved my forester and it was a great vehicle. I like where Subaru is going BUT: please get rid of the CVT, it bogs down the fun and power and off-road capability, a half inch lift on this thing should’ve been a 1 full inch lift at least, make a turbo and/or manual version of this thing for the love of god. Also, please make a truck based on the forester or the ascent (with a transfer case though).
I hope Subaru makes a special edition of the Forester Wilderness with a manual transmission, loaded with features and charges premium to make up for lower volume sale. Better yet, let it be on the last year of the model year. I will definitely be buying. In the meantime, I will be keeping my manual 2018 for as long as it continues to run.
I’ve had Subaru’s since 1993 . Time for a good EV Subaru. Please don’t let it be a Toyota clone. I’m so proud of my spacious dependable and different Subaru products so far. Please keep me as a customer Subaru. You have until I pass on this Forester in 2022.. keep me in LOVE
Think hard about this. I bought the 2021 Forester against sound advice against sluggish engine. I’m seriously considering trading it in for Outback Wilderness with larger motor.
@@Databyter Was hoping that the Forester Wilderness would have 235/65r17 tires as the Outback Wilderness has 225/65r17 tires. Hopfully thier is enough clearance in the fender well for 235/65r17 tires and chains and room in the spare tire carrier.
Have 06 forester, ADF 2” king springs and full skid plates. My play buggy. Also, 2018 forester(black edition). Enjoy both, would enjoy this better with a manual, and after market tweaks.
Why is that so difficult to add 2.4 turbo variant like you did with Outback??? Looks like attempt to force people to buy Outback. If any dumbhead marketer reads this: I DONT WANT OUTBACK! I WANT FORESTER WITH TURBO ENGINE! THAT IS MY MONEY! I WONT GIVE IT TO YOU FOR THE THING I DONT WANT.
No one is "forcing" anyone to buy anything. That's ridiculous. There are so many fish in the sea when it comes to vehicles. To bring a 2.4T version of the Forester to the US, they would incur R&D and certification expense. This Forester generation is being mid-model-refreshed this year, meaning only a couple of more years to go before a full redesign. From a return on investment perspective, Subaru is looking at the cost of bringing a turbo Forester to the US this generation, whether it would cannibalize or be additive to Outback Wilderness sales, and whether they would recoup the R&D and certification costs in the short 2 years remaining in this model generation. Clearly the math says "bad idea" to them. They aren't here to give us presents.
I feel your pain. Subaru has the best engineers and the most braindead marketers. If they did hear you, ask them about premium sound in sports versions. Just because we like to go camping doesn't mean we don't like Premium sound. WTH.
I'm a Taller driver and I agree: I wanted a more powerful engine option in a Forester. Not going to happen, you said it all with your use of CAPITALIZED WORDS, too bad no one is listening
EVs are compromised for offroad use. They are so heavy for their exterior dimensions and have so much torque at the wheels they tend to "dig in" and sink rather than go forward. Weight is a big enemy offroad.
EVs are dead weight on wheels. As the charge get lower and lower it will burn even more battery life to move all those batteries. Not to mention, the car still have to carry all those add-ons and equipments. Also, how do you charge it when you are in the middle of no where?
I will only, only, only buy if you guys make Ascent Wilderness, and make adjustable clearance at least up to 15" because clearance is everything to many people i'm currently own ascent and planning to switch for 4runner because of the clearance, even if I been with subaru 10 years because 9 inches clearance is horrible. How about X-mode with pneumatic or electric or hydraulic or even magnetic adjustable clearance up to 16 inch and 25 mph? I don't thing it is hard to make this days and you can make this X-mode feature optional like the rest...
That don’t make sense cuz the Outback is like the top selling Subaru and not to mention that Subaru sells way more Outback’s with the base 2.5 NA boxer engine compared to the optional 2.4 turbo engine, 3 out 4 new outback’s sold are equipped with the base 2.5 NA boxer engine….
