These Ryzen APUs have been amazing and keep impressing the public generation after generation. I just wish that they are able to do something about the prices in the future since getting the best integrated graphics means spending a dime too much.
More performance means more transistors. You can use em as efficienty as possible but that only gets you so far. More transistors means more chance of failure, more time, more money spent.
tell me about it! Im still using a ryzen 5 1600 that i got very early after it was released, and it dosent feel like iv had it that long lol. Just starting to really show its age in cyberpunk struggling to keep 60fps in the busy places. Not to mention starfield.....My rtx 2060 isnt much more powerful but when the cpu overtakes the gpu in utilization it feels rough. Luckily my b350 gaming f should handle a later gen Ryzen maybe a 5600x or something with just a bios update
My first experience with an APU was AMD's A8 6600K back in 2014. I was blown away at the time being able to play games without a dedicated GPU. Fast forward a decade later, and these APUs are absolutely mind-boggling with their performance!
@@activeentropyYou could get a massive performance improvement with a heavier overclock but then it would need a new cooler. I'd be pushing more than 4 GHz on my 3.5 GHz Ryzen 3 if the cooler wasn't so limiting. And at this point I'm better off just getting a new Ryzen 5.
This is his strongest expertise!!! Everyone reviews the high end thoroughly, but this is the guy that knows the low end better than everyone else, especially since low spec left long ago
@@manuelhernandez2017 This new APU is great if someone wants to build a small (ITX or smaller) system that sips power, runs quiet, and has more than adequate power for frankly most home or office users that might also want to do some casual gaming. Give it adequate RAM (which any system needs anyway) and it is more than adequate for home video editing, photo editing/management, music work (system silence is golden for that), podcast recording - you name it. Sure, a lower price would be nice, but there is also a value to the simplicity of a system built around an 8700G. I build the occasional computer and help people with their system problems. If someone came to me wanting a "gets the job done without eating the desktop or electric bill" system, the toughest question might be "what's the coolest case to put this in?"
I love these APUs, and I always have a 2200G floating around in my workspace for testing, messing around on, etc., but it’s kind of a shame that AMD has shifted their marketing mentality for these APUs. It used to be that APUs were cost effective solutions for users that couldn’t really afford a dedicated GPU but now it’s shifted to being a higher end CPU for those chasing better performance for smaller form factor and itx builds which already incur a premium. You can see evidence of this in their current 8000 series stack. Look at how gimped the 8600G and 8500G are in comparison to the 8700G.
I think a lot of people are missing the point of the 8000 series APUs. It’s not 2020 when APUs were for the poors, these things are now for people chasing SFF like myself. This thing has impressive work environment capabilities while also offering a positive leisure gaming experience. If you travel for work, or maybe want something you can bring to in-laws, all you need is this an a portable Usbc monitor. No hassle of removing a GPU for transport or dealing with a heavy, bulky, Micro ATX build. InWin offers some cases with very small built in Gold rated PSUs and they pair very well with an APU like this if anyone is interested.
The 3040 (official called 3050 6Gb) is there in Low Profile version and is faster? A low profile Micro ATX build doesn't have to be bulky and is more upgradeable than the miniPCcrap. And most important it delivers a lot more for the same money especially if you AM4 instead of the pricey AM5 platform.
Seems like a very niche market. There are great pre-built SFF PCs out there using mobile chips which makes more sense. And personally if I wanted a portable PC, I'd rather buy a laptop.
@@muktakumari2381 its OEM only so we'd have to wait until some of them slip on the chinese ebay market or they become available in prebuilts to get one
It looks like this APU is constantly power limited by 87W and it makes the GPU clock fluctuating all over the place, I wonder if performance would be a bit higher if the power limit was higher.
It's not. AM5 goes all the way up to 170W with a PPT of 230. As long as you can keep the chip cool and stable, its wattage won't be an issue.@@Droon_Jadhav
I really like that you included overclocking numbers! I think this is very helpful and honestly, anyone buying this for gaming would probably want to overclock the igpu and get any extra performance that they can.
Impressive chip, but I'm having a hard time finding a use case for it, considering it needs an expensive AM5 motherboard and high speed DDR5 RAM to shine. It's now possible to build a tiny SFF system in a teeny tiny 4 litre case with a discrete RTX 4060 low profile graphics card + a cheap AM4 or Intel CPU which would blow this APU away in gaming performance at any resolution, offer more features and cost about the same.
It's best for work/school/travel use case in a MFF case for someone who doesn't play heavy games. For the motherboard it doesn't even need pci-e gen 5 one and a basic B650 with 2 ram slots is enough and the best. Pretty sure some mboard manufacturers will make cheaper AM5 mboards with pci-e gen 4 only, just like they did with AM4. And yes in heavy games it can't compare with a dgpu, but for multitasking and cpu power beats them all 4 and 6 core cpus, and btw do you really need 100+ fps for casual gaming where 60 is enough!
Seems like about five years ago I bought a new AMD K6 200MHz chip, only to have the K6-2's get released while UPS was bringing it to my house, and the value of the chip I had just bought dropped by half. Of course, that was more like 25 years ago, but then, I'm old.
They should've gave the 8600G the 780m as well, would have been perfect, i really don't understand the point of this APU, it should have been an OEM thing for mini PC makers or something.
1) "They should've gave the 8600G the 780m" If the 6core got the full 780m graphics pretty much nobody would buy the 8700g because people buy mostly for the iGPU and not the extra 2 cores, its an upsell thing the industry does because they're not a charity. 2) "it should have been an OEM thing for mini PC makers" So like all the OEM's using the 7940hs... 7840hs... 7840s and 7640hs APU's (with this same Phoenix die) for about a year now to build mini PC's?
When nearing the max limit of DDR5 memory speed, these iGPUs can be properly utilized. If only AMD had the cheaper options using 780M/760M instead of 740M so their price could be more competitive with dedicated. Maybe if they could make these iGPUs chiplet like the 610M it could be possible to see them in cheaper options.
Would it be possible to run these games at PS4 equivalent settings and framerrates to understand if for example the 8600G can match a PS4 GPU wise? I'd like to see how much IQ can be pushed on these chips when locking at 1080p 30 fps in AAA games.
APUs have come a long way. Still remember how disappointed I was with my 2400G when I bought it in 2018. Got myself a RX 570 as soon as I could and a 2700X in 2021 because I was not pleased at all with the APU. It sucked both in CPU and GPU performance and was a bottleneck even for the RX 570 which I actually have to this day. As always, great video!
APUs (especially 2200G/3200G) were meant to fill budget gaming for 720p mostly, same as these new ones. The only difference is price and alternatives. 2400G/3400G already had pricing issue at 150$ because an i3 and used rx570 were offering much better performance for same amount of money. In my opinion, APUs have degraded and have no real purpose. 5600G was a bad deal even during mining because an i3 (~100) and used rx570 (~150) were still a better choice and it is still a bad deal now. On top of it, all Zen4 CPUs have iGP for display out purposes which makes AM5 APUs even more pointless. Maximum price for gaming APU should be 150$ to make sense with this level of iGP performance, especially when we consider that CPU side is "crippled".
Thanks, from watching your videos I fixed the graphics issue on my desktop. All I did was take out the GeForce 710, blew off the dust, cleaned off the heatsink compound with IPA and applied fresh. Its like a new machine.I know its a rubbish board, but it does what I want, I-m not into gaming in any way!
I wonder if and when AMD will be able to get 3D V-Cache working with their iGPUs, or an L4 cache like with Iris. I can't be the only person who doesn't understand why AMD hasn't put the 780M with a lower-spec CPU either.
The question with APUs getting powerful, is if it have better latency in competitive games compared to using GPU... Though looking at these framerate numbers in CS2, it doesn't seem to be at that level yet.
This is a game changer. Now Intel will be forced to improve the iGPU in their lineups so this is only going to get better now.. Also I just had a thought 💭 I'm wondering what if they start making DDR 5 memory as double sided ram but 1 side is system ram and the other side is GDDR 6 Vram specifically for APU systems so you can have actual graphics ram and not the slower system ram and it would also not allocate the system ram meaning you don't need a 32gb kit a 16gb X 8gb kit would be perfect 16gb system and 8gb Vram on 2 sticks and would not take up any more space than the normal ram would..
even 780M is powerfull, there is one again in low watt 890M which from AI 9 HX 370. how well perfomance gains if zen 5 APU with AI in dekstop ?. cant wait
Getting this chip probably tomorrow, using the 780M while saving up for a future 5070 or 5080 super :) Any pointers to OC the G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5? I've got some tighter subtimings already.
Why is the IHS so weird looking on these new AMD CPUs...? Also that iGPU is insane. I know userbenchmark isn't entirely reliable but on there the 780M falls somewhere between the 1050ti and 1060 which were fairly capable GPUs a few years ago for casual gaming. Who knows where these fancy APUs might be in a few more years.
Finally, proper RAM! THANK YOU! Retest 8500G 2x8 6000 cl36 vs 2x16 CL34 6400? Would be good content. If you need any help with ram overclocking feel free to reach me, just reply in the comments. When you go beyond 6400Mhz the motherboard will switch the memory controller to 2:1 mode, it lowers performance. With manual overclock you can go arround 7600 stable.
If this was possible to put into something like the Steam deck with its full power unlocked and a display that's 800p it would be incredible. GTA V at 120fps average blows my mind, when it came out my fuckhuge PC with a GPU and a CPU couldn't run it at 60fps at 1080p at medium.
This APU should only ever be tested and used with the supplied cooler, it makes no sense to purchase a separate cooler at this price point. I understand that the AIO used was sent but an accurate setup would have been to only use the supplied cooler.
Will AMD IGPU video editing be enabled and smooth, especially when previewing multi track 4K videos? Which one has better performance in video preview, AMD IGPU or Intel UHD770?😳
Yeah but... who is this for? Most consumers would settle for a cheaper cpu if they aren't willing to buy a gpu, meaning they didn't have the money in the first place.
Eta prime a RU-vid channel overclocked the integrated igpu Radeon m780 with MSI b 650 itx and 7400mhz ddr5, and the results are crazy you could play with 1080 high preset and 1440p too. 🎉😮
Regardless of price for this APU as I reckon a cheap GPu and cheap CPu would do better but regardless this if the first APU where i reckon you could purley game on this. I feel like in a generation or two it may get to the point of being good enough where you wont need to buy lets just say a 8600XT from AMD and just use the APU
As far as I can see, the APU works quite well even with more demanding titles, but the CS2 results are a bit disappointing, even if I don't play the game myself. But technically speaking, I convert the result to LoL and what needs to be fueled for me. Even if you don't run everything at the highest settings and 4k in e-sports, I wouldn't like to give up my 4k 144hz high settings in LoL. Yes, I play LoL on high 4k 144hz shame on me. For a media server you would have to look because the PCIe X16 slot is connected to a maximum of X8 lanes and 2 x 4 lanes go to NVME M2 hard drives. What's a shame because the B(E) chipset supports an additional M2 nvme and the X(E) chipset supports 2 nvme's. You don't need a GPU and normally most ADD IN cards only need 8 lanes, but it is still a limiting factor. In general, I am still in favor of having an X8 PCIE with a connection to the CPU, i.e. 28 to 32 pcie lanes with AMD And similar for Intel. Otherwise you always have this one dead slot on ATX boards that, if you're lucky, is addressed by the chipset.
What the score on the Cooler? is the AMD one RGB or not as on AMD site it says comes with RGB stealth, but in all the reviews they use the stealth non RGB I wanted to put one of these in my Inwin B1 glass mini system but at 57mm cooler height the clearance is a little to low. ~UK Ryzen 8700G at £305 here in UK is a good offer, considering i3 12100(non F) are still selling at £130. I remember buy a £390 Dgpu to play GTA V at high 60 mins and this is doing that no dGPU. As my favourite games are all over 5 years old, Grid Racing Driver, Grid 2, Dirt 3, Dirt 4 and Rally. So this is mint for me. I would love bench marks on classic older games like GTA V. That said I am a linux guy and avoid AAA games otherwise I would be a windows user
Damn, it's a lot better than my old GTX1050...I think the 2Gb is not usable anymore. I rarely get more than 30fps in CP2077...in 768p. Great way to play games in decent conditions until you get the scratch for a proper GPU.
This isnt THE APU, there is a 16 core with 3,2x the 780M. Which isnt released yet. That 16 core doesnt need FSR and get at 1440p the same fps. Equal to a GTX 1080Ti or RTX 3060 or RX 7600.
so happy when you upload + your videos must be good, it's the only pc content my girlfriend you watch. She refers to you as the 'minecraft laptop' guy lol
Also don't rule out this is a 8 core cpu. You can't make a DGPU and CPU combo with same compute power using a i3-5 and a DGPU in UK. AM5 itx mobos money has to play no part of a ITX mini build otherwise get a mini PC of miniforum Geetek or one of the OEMs. But for me I use my PC for a lot more than gaming and 8core with a basic entry level igpu wins for me. As I simply don't want to buy a power hungry dGPU and a bigger case to fit dGPU. I'm thinking 7200 or 7600 ram a bit more on the pocket but should bump that igpu a lot.
Low end cards are all but gone. No one makes them, per se, anymore. No more $90 brand new GT 1630. No more AMD RX 6400. They are gone and have been replaced on the AMD side with these high performance APUs. Intel is about to drop some too with their Alchemist and later this year, Battlemage parts in them. In fact there are a few products with all Intel in them as I type this like the MSI Claw. Why are AMD and Intel doing this? Nvidia made it clear they were no longer going to be making budget GPUs. They haven't for a while now and what they call budget, like the RTX 3050 6GB, is cost prohibitive and is underpowered for the price. Soon no one will have low end graphics unless they wanted them. You'll get a good APU and add a GPU later if you want more frames but I have to say, for the average console user or casual gamer? This is a homerun. I can't wait to see the coming APU war between Intel and AMD. I also can't wait to see how they bring the prices down on these in order to saturate the market. These would be amazing for any entry-mid level gaming experience depending on title. Great Video!
Please add more fighting games in your test. Like tekken 8 and SF6. We are a big fighters community and we love so much your channel. Please do it for us.
RandomGaminginHD : you should stop using graphical presets that automatically use Antialiasing along with it, especially TAA or TXAA that are cheating cheap antialiasing techniques and are Nvidia proprietary and thus hinder AMD-s performance, especially on the LOW end of gaming GPU-s.
Fr they should pack the 780m into an 8500 and sell it for $200. That sh1t would sell like hot cakes. You could actually make very decent video-editing machines just with that!
it's turning "40fps meh" into "oh well it does 60+fps". On powerful dGPU's you might have a point but at APU levels using a quality mode is perfectly valid if it makes the difference between someone deciding its unusable or not.
@@tomstech4390 *it's Sure... now when everything is fake, why not fake frames too. How low have our standards fallen... and it's only going to get worse.
@@GrainGrown How high were your standards for APU's before? We've improved APU's allot over the past years (just look at the GTA5 results) but they're only so powerful because memory bandwidth limits. But sure if you want to run native and half your framerates... *you can* that is fully within your power. If we were talking a GPU with 10x the shaders and bandwidth you'd be right, but this at this power level that *OPTION* makes some sense.
@@tomstech4390 No the bar for APU keeps moving constantly & will never be caught by APU's. It used to be1080p medium settings with no upscaling at 60fps was the standard in -DX9 through DX11 times. Now it's DX12 & RT medium, which cannot even be done by most mid-range sub $300 cards without using upscaling & frame generation.
I don't think low end cards will ever be "obsolete" Just as APUs have done, GPUs will eventually either advance or adjust in price aswell, They may have to get a little more creative but I also think that's not really a new reality, there may be periods where APUs are preferable to buying a discreet low end card for a new system, but we've arguably already seen that before during the crisis with Ryzen APUs. It's not a 100% apples to apples situation because it was caused by more "external" forces, but we did eventually see things even back out about.
I think what makes it seem better, is just how awful entry level GPUs have become. The Kaveri chips were great at launch, when comparing to entry cards, but a bit behind. The entry level GPUs of nowadays are starved of PCIe lanes, and throttled by a comically low memory bandwidth.
If you wanted to do a SFF build, this chip would be perfect. I would kill to have a small desktop with this sorta power that I could just take to a friends house and stuff.
If you wanna get into PC gaming but you can't afford an entire system + GPU right away, building this system without dedicated GPU might be alright until you saved up enough. Tons of games you can easily enjoy on this thing.
The apu's always start off a bit pricey, cos they are good for tech noob builds like say , for me Mum and Dad.. Now for that the 5600G is very tempting indeed.. so give it 3 years this one will be too.
Loving seeing this performance from an iGPU/APU (Which-ever the correct term is) - unsure on whether using FSR is good or showing an disingenuous account, but I guess systems like this are what the tech was designed for, so someone remind me to leave the high-horse alone
Testing different hardware specs in Benchmarks is very interresting i allways wanted to beat those consoles Because not everyone is willing to spend upwards of $400 just to play PC games
